Attempts to bring some "redeeming social value " to this thread are frowned on.  You know where to put your "redeeming social values", don't you? Geezer... Ed Have I redeemed myself? 
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
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