Originally Posted by SBTCO
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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What's the right resolution re: Bundy?


Not saying that either side is completely "in the right" here.

Also not arguing the ownership of said lands.

The root cause of this whole fiasco was a radical environmental group filed litigation based on false science they didn't have to prove and won a lawsuit to close a huge amount of land to grazing. That happened in 1993. BLM reduced Bundy's permit for grazing by 450,000 acres to accommodate the litigation.

So in short what the Bundy Family had been legally doing since 1877 was wiped out with the stroke of a pen for a special interest group that has no further goal than to push ranchers out of business and forever close the lands.

At that point in time, Bundy refused to pay any further money to BLM. Which brings us to where we are today with line drawn in the sand and people taking sides. It also brought us to the point that we all saw milartistic tactics by the government deployed against the American People. It showed the readiness of the government to resort to violence on Americans that never threw a single punch, or pointed any firearm at government agents.

How to fix it?

Maybe there are a couple of solutions.

First, a person has the reasonable expectation that he can continue to legally ranch the land that his family has ranched in total compliance since 1877. Just because the eviction was legal, doesn't make it right and just.

Legislation should be implemented to give those people certain rights based on historical usage on public land.

The same scenario on private land has those protections based on historical usage. The same laws that apply on private land should apply on public lands.

Second, and not less importantly...

Much as "Tort Reform" was legislatively implemented to limit abuses of the legal and court system for lawsuits that were awarding 2 million dollars for spilled coffee, legislation that disallows the misuse of court systems for frivolous lawsuits that only serve to further the goals of special interest groups such as the environmental terrorist groups.

The environmental terrorism within the court systems are not limited to public lands. We ALL pay the price for this type of tactic that is used by those groups against private sector industry such as the oil business and auto manufacturing, as well as mining, electric power generation, commercial fishing, and the firearms industry, and related categories.

We all pay billions of dollars each year because of this type of abuse. And our freedoms and ability to thrive in private sector business or industry is total at risk due to these abuses.

If Bundy had been afforded basic protections that any of us SHOULD be afforded, this never would have even gotten past first base.

Just my opinion. Yours probably will vary.


This seems pretty logical and agree would be a good start. I would also add that if/when legal ownership of said land is found and if Bundy is found to be owning the money for the lease, then a lien should be placed on his property, monies collected at time of cattle/property sales, like is done in real America, Not by some brown shirt invasion of goobermint thugs.


Originally Posted by m_s_s
Makes sense to me. Of course I identify with ranchers cause I am one. We don't run on gov. ground but I do a lot of fellas that do. The NFS and BLM are not fun to do business with. Most of their range cons wouldn't know a cow from a turtle. Then there is the wild horse (feral) thing. The Devils Gardens, which I neighbor has around 2000 of the nags (FS management plan calls for 350 to 400). I know for a fact that none of these horses ancestors ever belonged to the Spanish. They have a lot of draft blood in them. They come off the Garden onto private ground, but we can not charge trespass fees to the FS or BLM and can not remove them. The BLM is charged with doing that, although they don't. I am all in favor of the public using public ground, but a lot of people are slobs (don't leave gates as they found them, camp right on a spring, cut fences and don't repair them, leave trash and dump more horses on the range cause they can't afford them. ED


3 good posts....making good points.


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