I've shot one critter with a .45-70 using a 405 gr. Rem or 400 gr. Speer bullet, I don't remember which, at 1680 fps. It was a smallish black bear going past me at 9 yards. The bullet entered high on the shoulder and exited low in the ribs. The exit hole was the size of an Eisenhower dollar. The bear rolled down hill about fifteen yards and never moved. I've since shot bears with the .30-'06, 8x57, and 350 Rem Mag. All worked well, but none as spectacularly as that one with the .45-70. A small sample, but that's how it happened.

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