Folks should take the time to meet fellow campfire members...

you can't always do it face to face, so meet them by looking up their profile...

After saying the passing of my Aunt was complete BS....

I decided to "MEET PADDLER" via his Profile...

The guy was last on way back in 2011... that is before his hero Obama got re elected....

but he graced us the last several days, to hurl insults and do things like telling a forum member his Aunt's Passing was BS...
or maybe it was the reason for her passing that he didn't like as it didn't fit into his political agenda...

on another thread he seems to be highly in support of Planned ParentHood....to bad his mom didn't put him up for fetal experimentation.. but I digress...

with such a charismatic personality, one has to love one of his posts I saw...
Facts matter, integrity matters.

Guess like most DemocRATS, he doesn't practice what he preaches....

So a hardy welcome back to one of our lost resident leftist trolls...

a web site can never have enough of those can we?


So Paddler, why don't you go find yourself a little happiness and pass your bunghole around the drunk tank and to the other boys in long term lock up...they'd appreciate ya a lot more than anyone here would....

Uh-oh

Now you've done it.

Ya called him out.

Poofters and baby killers will be swarming the joint, momentarily.

Might as well turn this into a boobie thread.

At least ya know only men will bother looking in...

I don't post here often because arguing with loonies isn't productive. It looks like my last posts here back in 2011 were about Palin. I guess I saved my best stuff for duckhunter.net, wherein I spoke out against Romney. I actually got banned from that site for posting political stuff on their "Political Action" page. Some chicksh*t mod from South Carolina could handle the truth. Pretty funny. If you want to read my predictions, you can do a search, you'll find I was correct. You'll note that responses to my posts were very similar to the drivel here.

I actually posted my thoughts on gun control here to get them on the record. I came up with the idea after Newtown. Remember where you heard this plan, it will help reduce senseless killings without impacting guns used for target shooting, hunting or home defense. Great stuff!

Paddler...

Row, row, row your butt
gently up the...

Okay.
I'm just gonna quit right there.

Paddler . . .

Oh boy! Seafire sure had you pegged wrong.

SSAG

ya gotta love this...

let me make sure I have this straight:

1. ya don't post here much because we're not worthy of your time...

2. ya got banned from another site, but it wasn't your fault, it was some chickenschitt guy, that was from some state you don't approve of because you think it is backwards and beneath you...

3. ya make predictions, and you're always correct.....( uh, sure ya are)

4. you're posting your thoughts on gun control, to get them "ON the Record"..... what "record" might that be?

5. You personally have a plan for the country, to eliminate all of this "senseless killing"......

ya know, you're a real modest guy.....

what were we thinking.... we really need a guy like you... both on the forum and in the White House....

do you come up with these bits of enlightenment, while washing windshields on street corners, while the light is red, for spending money?

I mean that is some real meaningful stuff...

Pegged...

That's just MEAN!



I think I hear banjos.

Paddle faster!

I sure hope we haven't hurt Paddler's feelings....

I mean I don't want to be responsible for Paddler getting Paddled...

I've got enough stress to deal with having to attend a Pretend funeral clear across the country, for an Aunt who didn't pass away...and it wasn't the fault of the wonderful free medical attention available to one and all via Obama Care....

Except gun control doesn't work...Chicago and NYC are prime examples of that


It's also obvious that you have absolutely no experience dealing with traumatic events.

Your theory that someone with a revolver would not be able to harm as many people because they would have to reload more often is horseshicdt a person with with a single shot shotgun and a back pack full of birdshot would do just as much damage as someone with a Semi-auto rifle.

You want a real end to these trajedies, you start locking known nut jobs uo, permanently. You start holding these instulitutions criminally and civilly liable.

These institutions make policies that take sn individuals God given right to self defense away from them, yet they refuse toto assume responsibility to provide that defense.

That young vet that bum rushed the shooter, just think what he could have accomplished had he been armed.

Or maybe we should remember the shopping mall shooter from a couple years ago, you remember him don't you?...the one who turned his gun on himself when re realized there was a CCWer who had the drop on him

Or the numerous school shooters who were stopped by armed off ers working armed the school


As a former cop. I ALWAYS felt safer knowing there were armed citizens in my AO

I guess the only satisfaction we can hope fore is when those rectal vaults get old they get the same. Hopefully from a tranny CNA.

The best part of them trolls ran down their mama's leg.

the problem paddler is not the guns. The problem is the lack of regard for human life combined with a sense of entitlement. This 26 year old man had forum buddies egging him on, how in a civilized society do men encourage other men to destroy innocent lives? They do when their sense of the value of human life is low. A lack of morals, a lack of fathers in the traditional family, a lack of wholesome values as taught as taught in a Christian institution, a lack of a fear of God, sanctioned abortion i.e. the killing of human babies for profit. It was not just one man that killed those people, his internet buddies bear equal responsibility and guilt. If we rounded up every gun in the country and destroyed them the gangs in Chicago would be killing each other at near the same rate with knives like they used to do. A man with a Cold Steel Samurai would have, could have killed 9-10 just as easily, just as quickly.

People don't obey the laws we have now, how are more laws going to help? New laws are really not intended to help they are intended to hurt honest law abiding people. This guy uses the blood of the innocents to advance his agenda.

Keep paddlin' paddler.

He's probably a trustee at a mental institution.
Sneaks into the office and logs in.

First time since 2011 he's been let out of the strait jacket.

Piddler.....Paddler......what's the difference?

He seems very angry.

The ironic part about PADDLER is that while he supports the murder of innocent babies, he wants more gun control in order to stop murders by mass shootings. It seems a little backwards. But when you really think about it, it shows his hypocrisy. He's actually lying about wanting to stop mass shootings, like most socialists, the goal is to take away the freedoms of the conservative right as well as all of the other law abiding Americans. Another prominent strategic move in socialism, is to disarm the populous so that they can't fight back when the government begins to control the people past their tolerance. It's really textbook socialism and has nothing to do with protecting the people. It has more to do with protecting the government and the people who have power there.

Get ready guys, there's probably going to be the biggest push yet by the Obama administration to ban guns all together. This guy is going to go on a rampage to "transform America" before he leaves office in 15 months from now. We, as Americans, need to stand up for our freedoms, and when this schit comes along, we need to try as hard as we can to push back. The problem we have against us is that the Republicans in Congress are bunch of spineless bastords, but we need to do what we the people can in order to keep the freedoms we have left.

I watched his news conference and he knows he can't do squat about it.

At this stage I think he'd rather just play golf...which is good.

Did you Hillary's rant yesterday? She's trying to fire up her crowd. I don't think it will work. She was very shrill.

Your an azz hole plain and simple.. You stupid bastard you think more gun laws would have prevented Newtown? We have to put up with some of the most restrictive laws now because of another crazy! You azzholes always want .gov to save you! Pull your head out of your ass and list what laws in this state were broken? NONE! NADA! Go back to your hole worm and I hope Seafire gets a chance to thank you personally for your post..

John, I could not recall 'paddler', so I looked him up. Whoops, he was already on my ignore list. Oh well.

You are absolutely correct that this guy was a disenfranchised loser, and was egged on by other losers. Called himself a beta male, whatever that is. The question is how to prevent these people from committing mass shootings. Of all the solutions that have been proposed, I think mine is the only one that can keep the weapons typically used by these shooters out of their hands without unduly burdening responsible gun owners. These guys don't have any skills, so if they had to operate a bolt, or singly load rounds, or even use a revolver with speedloaders, it would at least slow them down.

Trust me, I enjoy hunting, target shooting, and have more guns and money invested in them than most of you, by a long shot. I have one gun that would be impacted by my proposal. If anybody wants to buy my nice little Walther PPK (circa 1968 and pristine), let me know. Most responsible gun owners support reasonable gun control. If there is a better solution than my proposal, let's hear it. More guns are definitely not the answer.

You've been told the solution many times. It's the solution pointed to by observable facts about shootings, i.e., that where gun control is most restrictive, there are more shootings, and conversely, in those places where gun laws are most liberal (i.e., freedom-promoting), we find the fewest such instances. To anyone with more than half a brain, the solution is made clear by this observation.

I have to ask why did you wait 4 yrs later to post on here??

He finds it difficult tolerating we inferiors.

Fair question. I visited here after the UCC shooting to see what the reaction would be. I figured guys here would say we need more guns. I also wanted to see if anybody would respond thoughtfully to my proposal. I wasn't optomistic. I was correct on both counts. I probably won't be around long, as I have little patience for the anger, closed mindedness and fear expressed here. What happened to you guys that made you this way? It's really weird.

ain't happening

Seems to me that you're the closed minded, angry, & fearful one. You have your proposal which limits constitutionally protected rights of free citizens. Criminals by their nature find a way to thwart the law (see the logic there??) which law abiding citizens follow. By definition this basic, logical dynamic results in the gov't disarming those who would be responsible with firearms and allowing criminals easy prey.

What sense does that make?

Why are you afraid of free law abiding citizens being allowed the right to protect themselves?

Typical, tired, trite, overused, recycled response. Oh, and untrue. Can't you do better? Maybe show a sense of humor? I'd ask if that's all you got, but already know the answer.

Oh, I got a new laptop a couple of years ago. I won't be bookmarking the 'fire.

If you think most gun owners support more gun control, you are just wrong.

It is not reasonable to compromise with the left, because they will never stop until the Second Amendment is a dead letter.

Today you are supporting the ban on semi-auto's and standard capacity magazines. Lets look at what else the left considers "reasonable" gun control.

In addition, some definition of "assault weapons" include pump and lever actions. Another proposed definition includes "any weapon, or it's derivative, designed or used for a military purpose. Well, there goes every Mauser every Remington 700, and every military surplus rifle in Civilian hands.

Banning all FMJ, hollow point, and lead ammo. This would basically leave us with no ammo, since I'm not aware of any mono bullets that do not include a hollow cavity to facilitate expansion. Even if there was something usable, they want to tax it to the point that it's not affordable.

All "sniper rifles", which is defined as any rifle with a free floated barrel. This would eliminate every rifle I hunt with, as well as my target rifles. They've also called for the elimination of all telescopic sites. That's right, we would be reduced to iron sites and maybe aimpoints.

They are trying to make our powder and primers unstable to eliminate handloading.

So, if all of this went into effect, what would I be left with.

2 single shot 22's, with no legal ammo.
A few revolvers, with no legal ammo.
1 bolt action full choke .410 shotgun, with no legal ammo that wouldn't ruin the barrel.

And you claim the gun control agenda would not affect our capabilities for hunting and self defense?

That's just pure bullshet.

Paddler,

Then post your pics of what you use for each of those and why you chose them for your "enjoyment."

I don't believe anything you say as you are a liberal mole stirring up sheit.

Never.

You're an anal prolapse.

Nobody trusts a wallered out sphincter.

Babbler,

^ This is the only thing we might agree on. So I won't argue with you, you're not worth the time. But it's mildly entertaining to see how bravely a dimwit coward can posture hiding behind the anonymous false identity of an internet troll.

When was the last time you told a man the idiocies you have written here face to face? My guess is NEVER, as you seem to still be able to type drivel from some basement in some Democrat nanny's propaganda center.

You seem out of sorts - is it time for nanny to burp you again? Or does she need to change your diaper?

Anyone that thinks that "guns" was the cause of the shooting, or any other shooting is an ignorant wretch.

These events and ones like them are very simply the excuse for emotional outbursts by liberals that take advantage of a bad situation to further their own morbid agendas.

Woo.... now thats really gonna hurt!

Actually, SansSouci/Laguna/Raisuli/Paddler never left...

Good please don't.

only thing left to ask is how the hell do you type with that strait jacket on?

I know you're not using your dick.

sounds like the makings of a really chitty tasting sandwich.

and why do I still hear banjos playing in the background?

Ok so what if everyone agreed to what you proposed treat all weapons that accept a magazine as class 3 weapons and we all get the $200 tax stamp per weapon.. What do you do when the next person goes bat [bleep] crazy what do you do next?? I'm not a fan of AR's but who am I who are you to tell person what they can and can't own... We all know cigarettes kill people everyday in America people die from lung cancer so why are cigarettes still legal??? so getting this tax stamp what you looking to prevent??

Please, please keep that promise facist.

Okay. Here's Piotti King I in 16 gauge, my nice grouse gun. New it's ~$45K:







Here's my old RRL:



And a 16 gauge RBL;



And a Grulla 216:

And a nice Beretta, 28/410 combo from Ron Shirk. Got a bunch of Berettas:



And a 12:



And a 20 gauge Gr VI:



And a nice little M2 in 20 gauge. This is a triple last year with 2 3/4" #4s:





Oh, this is an interesting little BL-4 in 20 gauge:

The dog even looks like he'd like to kick you in the c unt

The "we've got to do something about the guns" response probably gives you a warm feeling for taking action (beta type action) and having proposed a solution to the problem. Given what you appear to be, it's no surprise that you'd be able to predict what other betas will want to do because they'll also want to feel like they're doing something.

But in reality it simply deflects the attention from the real problem which is the screwed up individuals permeating our society, because you don't really have a solution for them and your need to find a scapegoat.

I think the real tragedy is that so many males in our country think that whining for the government to "do something" is ever a solution to a problem. Would you characterize that as alpha behavior?

A Fabrique Nationale De La Bristoe.

,...slapped together outta some stuff that was layin' 'round.

Le nombre de poing trous de Colt.

Взято из этой старой мальчика, который был пьян заднице от водки

Pick the douchebag

Love that old Colt. Especially the hard rubber grips.

They look like fine shotguns. And good times. But if you and your democrat buddies get your way it goes bye bye. They will start at one class of guns and finish up with your shotguns.

If you really do hunt and shoot and enjoy it like you say you do, why the hell would you turn on the folks that enjoy the same?

As a group, we are the most scrutinized, regulated, smeared, falsely accused, life threatened, misconstrued community in this country. Everyday there is some democrat that cannot wait to end everything we cherish and they are held to no consequences at even a legal standpoint. So, do you even wonder why everybody is pissedoff at what you suggest?

I thought you had to be a troll who doesn't know anything about shooting or hunting, but I will retract that and replace it with this, and I am not attacking you when it comes to question...Are you the Judas of shooting sports or thoroughly confused? Whatever it is, I hope you figure it out.

La Sen~ora Slutirita con grande Can~on`

He's a FUDD and smarter than you. He KNOWS what is best.

Some of my "assault rifles":

Kraut killer:




Yankee killer:




Son using steel, woodchuck, milk jug, chipmunk, & deer (maybe more) killer:





Paddler if ya raise em up right ya don't gotta wait for the Supreme Court to act before they can marry...

Truth, like milk, arrives in the dark
But even so, wise dogs don't bark.
Only mongrels make it hard
For the milkman to come up the yard.

So you can choose what firearms you want to own. But we can't?

How hypocritical is that?

I have a real news flash for you...

The 2nd Amendment isn't about "hunting". Got it?

I didn't think so.

I notice he completely skipped mu response....truth hurts

Nah.

Liberals just pick the truths they want to hear.

So you only log on when there's a mass shooting in order to promote your gun control ideas.

If that's not the definition of a Troll I don't know what is.

Setting around waiting for a mass killing....what a miserable life....no wonder you're an a-hole.

He skipped mine, too. Can't blame him, as I cut right to the chase.

The "solution" is for the public to learn to stop being victims.
Have the means available to bring instant violent death to those who wish to harm innocents.

Nobody impresses Piddler more than Piddler.

MSM only "reports" with a left spun ideology.

He's paid to twist everything and stir the bucket, just like the rest of the msm.

And if he ain't part of that but rather acting on his own... then the hell that awaits him is twice as hot.

He's a plant.
And the msm is public enemy number two.

He's a plant.
Probably works for obananas homelandsecurity or holders doj.

Who TF else would let him out of his straitjacket long enough to type?

Pardon me, fellas, I was at the gym running and lifting weights. Gotta stay in shape if you want to tow a canoe behind your bicycle for 5 1/2 miles so you can get to the less crowded units. Duck season opened today here in Utah, but the opener is too crowded. I went to REI and got a Yakima bike rack during their garage sale. Just $90 vs $250 new. Now I don't have to put my bike inside my Expedition. Nice!



Last year I killed a couple nice pintails out there. The GWT were coming from behind me and too fast, and I passed on the spoonies:

When you ban a 15 round gun the killer will use a break open shotgun.

Don't look now dumb ass but that's a semi auto in your pic. (If it's really yours.)

How many kids do you think you could kill in one setting with that thing?

Don't preach to me about double barrels until you surrender your auto you f u c k i n g hypocrite.

I have a bunch of guns. That Benelli is sweet. In case you missed it, it wouldn't be subject to reclassification in my proposal because it has a fixed magazine. Please try to pay attention. Where did I lose you?

You lost a lot of people when your Benelli became a WMD


Ironically, you have now been show to be the hypocrite and fraud that you are.

I guess I lost you, too. You boys ain't too bright.

Condescending...check.

Believes in fallacies...check.

Feelings outweigh logic...check.

Can't think outside of what they have been told to BELIEVE...check.

I just checked the FBI crime stats for weapon types used in murders. Unfortunately for your plan, in California, 29 were killed with rifles and 48 were killed with shotguns. In New York, 4 people were killed with rifles and 19 with shotguns. Michigan 16 with rifles and 23 with shotguns. Minnesota 0 with rifles, 4 with shotguns. Mississippi 3 with rifles, 8 with shotguns, Pennsylvania 20 with rifles and 22 with shotguns. Rhode Island 1 with a rifle, 14 with shotguns.

Good thing you are willing to be "responsible" and do the "right" thing. Don't worry, the government gives $200 each for long gun turned in.


https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...urder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls

This incarnation is a superior, hypocritical, liberal douche.

Got it.

Bye troll.

WTH happened to the Oregon Colorado game? It's supposed to be on.

Have to watch Boise State beat up on Hawaii instead I guess.

I thought I ran you out of town for good, you sorry excuse for liberal cerebrial warrior. As your punishment, I sentence you to 10 hours of community service handing out flyers at the next president, Hilary Clinton's upcoming campaign speech.

This is my town, Peddler. I own you guys.

Bright enough to be able to garner a VERY good picture / profile / current agenda driven dialogue identified / future potential threat, e.g. a goddam TRAITOR

traitor
noun trai·tor \ˈtrā-tər\
: a person who is not loyal to his or her own country, friends, etc. : a person who betrays a country or group of people by helping or supporting an enemy

....you smarmy, fascistic, self aggrandizing little excuse for whatever the fug you think you are.

I think your nothing more than a plant, and a mole, myself,....and you bring to mind the kinda' creepy ass hole that will always have his "Dacha" and firmly believe that you deserve one.....right up to the point when the "commoners" drag your sorry naked carcass through the streets behind a cart, and spit on it, going by.

You said you hadn't bookmarked the Fire.

GOOD,....time for you to gtfo

you belong over at DU, or some other place like that.

GTC

And now she is arguing with her split personality.

Yup.

Now see what you did, you got the pea brained Republicans posting pictures denigrating women. Someone will probably post one of their hero Donald Gump's trophy wife. Imagine what kind of ridiculous first "lady" she would make, considering the impecible standard Michelle has set?

That one looks like it needs some "Cermalube"

Geno

So we are supposed to be all impressed with that, and somehow that legitimizes all the stuff you are posting???

another leftist silver spoon in his mouth Democrat....

so If I am following this correctly, you think all guns should be banned, and the ones you own and their types ( say $45,000 Shotguns) should be exempt....

Where have we seen where liberals want to pass laws against the rest of the people on the street, but them and all their liberal friends are somehow exempt.... that's gotta be a new angle.....

Tell me you don't drive a Mercedes SUV, or maybe a Lexus one...

come here to try and act like one of the boys, while letting us know you are an elitist snob....that'll work real well...

do believe this rifle is a fair bit north of your shotgun, least i was told so by the fire member that loaned it to me not knowing me from a stranger....far from the only high dollar rifle floating around that weekend.....

Per usual, they are always smarter than the rest of us...

Well Einstein.... I don't need to be a rocket scientist, to see the obvious.....and another obvious is you are just another leftist elitist, out to " change the world"....as long as it doesn't apply to your types.....

Yeah, I'll admit to not being too bright around guys like you... I mean I am handicapped, by only having a couple of degrees, with only 14 years or so of accumulated post high school education....

so I guess all this money you brag on, and your spendy rifles and shotguns, make you superior to the rest of us peasants...

that sound about right describing your perspective?

the only thing you own that might have belonged to anyone else is someone's used Toilet paper...

been around pompous silver spoon knowItAlls like you most of my life...they weren't nothing special, and neither are you....

Legends in their own minds....

Somebody please help me out. How do I put this dirty little POS on ignore? (seriously)

Click on the username.

Click on View profile.

Then click on Ignore this user.

And ta daaaaaaaa

Re Seafire:

how do I put this dirty little POS on ignore...seriously...

alright, I'll shut up...

Seafire--not you.

J--thanks--done.

No worries pal.

Glad it worked for you.

I know that Pal...

I just thought it was funny how it showed on the forum...

Re: Seafire and then your statement...

ya gotta laugh and have a sense of humor around here.... it offsets the urge to take guys like Padidler serious....

This forum must be a magnet for these type of Jerkovs.. he must be a Russian...

But seriously...where does that tongue end up in elkhunters pic?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Just can't stand a traitor.

I wonder if his wife Judy knows he's posting those...


as far as Traitors.. I'm old school....

there is only one thing to do with Traitors....

if THS ever HTF, I am sure one of the people Padidler has tried to impress in the past will give him just deserve.. Lets just call it a Traitor's Welcome Home present...

I'm sure all of his type have a surprise coming that they will never know it was...

Having bled for my country, I have no tolerance for traitors.

He wants to sell his "bad" PPK, instead of just turning it in for destruction - typical of a 2-faced liberal.

I hope I never have the misfortune of meeting Paddled, he can kiss my Freedom Loving American Cock!

Just an FYI for you Seafire, we had better take these asswholes seriously as we haven't for a long time and they have been destroying this country and our ways right before our eyes.

No longer do I tolerate or ignore there cockroaches.

Use your imagination.

Yup,I promised no nude or pornographic pics in my photo bucket account.

You need to meet the real PIDDLER...

Pics taken with a Cannon Powershot G15 camera, kind of a cheap camera for a hi-roller such as yourself aint it?

To bad that dog doesn't have a real man to play with......

I feel exactly the same way. I put the ass on ignore the last time he came around to pollute the Fire. Then we get this.



I gave 24 years of my life for this nation's freedom. Nobody owns me least of all you.

Yup....no different than making an exception for semi auto shotguns because HE likes/uses em while giving us the Joe Biden speech about a SXS being all a guy needs..

Like I said...fuucking hypocrite".

People like Paddler think that they're above what will happen when Communism comes around.

They think that their high dollar trappings will establish them as a member of the elite.

They'll learn too late that Stalin would have cut their damn heads off for being able to afford a pair of glasses.

Just another fuggin' usefull idiot.

Some big 80 IQ sumbitch will snatch him off that bicycle while he's merrily paddling along to yet another duck hunt and feed his carcass to a pack of dogs,...pass his shotguns around to the proletariat.

He's got a screw loose.

He thinks people with twelve dollahs and fitty cent in their pockets are his comrades.

If what he wants ever comes to pass,..the people that he thinks he's representing will eat him and his alive.

Stupid fuggin' wealthy commies.

They make me laugh.

Can't let a good long thread go by w/o comment.

I admit to owning a semi-auto or two. I don't care for them or high capacity magazines all that much, but they have their place.

Belt fed on the other hand, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Especially when turret mounted.



The 2d says nothing at all about the style of arms which we have the right to bear.

I'm pretty sure Padiddle is not just trolling, but rather, shilling.

Must be a G model

I'm sure Padiddler is one of those Liberal DemocRAT types that claims to be a gun owner and then is always making excuses for radical Muslims, killing tons of people "because they are angry at us" and then freaks out when there is a school shooting here within our borders.... and blames it on 'society' and 'guns' instead of the shooter being a screwball with a screw loose...


9 are sadly killed here and its a national tragedy ( which it is..)... but 30 to 100 get killed in a Mosque bombing or a market square... and he defends those that did it...

Screw Padiddler and the rest of his type...

By the .gov's own definition a mass murder in Traverse City Michigan got no attention as poison was used instead of guns. Guess it doesn't fit the agenda.

Link To Story.

we always come full circle back to the fact, that liberals want to disarm America, not for public safety, but to remove the one major impediment preventing govbernment from taking total control.

Indeed.

Front seater can have way too much fun with that rig.

Don't they have total control already? Look at the idiotic Iran deal. Who among us thinks most of the populace wanted that one?

I have a few camera systems, and, like guns, select the right tool for the job. That day, I towed my bike behind my bike for 5.5 miles, before launching my canoe to paddle a couple more. Light weight was the order of the day, hence the 20 gauge M2 and the Canon. Shooting birds in flight demands different gear, I'm sure you can get the EXIF data on these:







I use a different camera for landscape, one that doesn't have EXIF data. Guess what it is:





These hang in my home theater, which is freaking awesome. We love watching PBS down there.

You're a fraud and a pathological liar.

Move along, stupid.

Really? Why do you say that? Jealous? My home theater really is awesome. All the finish woodwork is solid mahogany, the raised panel wainscot, mantel, cabinets, door casings, crown mold, screen valance, and all was milled in my shop except the crown. The equipment is all first rate, B&W 800 Diamond Series 2's, Sony 55ES PJ, etc. PBS looks perfect down there.

This is a guy that need to be moving to his next suck off.

Weak, very weak. Pathetic is closer.

I do have to admit those are awesome pics to say the least. To bad you're such an asswhole you might get somewhere. You're just going to die a typical......

Am I the only one getting DIY flashbacks?

I'm still waiting for this fugging douchebag to try and rebut ANYTHING I said in my reply pages ago

You really expect a truthful answer from paddler?

Nope, because I know he can't rebut facts. But I enjoy calling him out on it

Yup.

Feeding trolls and a$$holes only makes then happy.

Oh, I am sure he is enjoying the attention...

I mean, if he isn't a HoMo....you know he's enjoying the attention because he hasn't been laid by the wife in years...

If you have to go to the internet to get attention, then life must be pretty pathetic...

especially choosing the troll route, to magnify your attention...

let him have his 15 seconds of Andy Warhol attention.... he'll flame out and then be back in another 4 or 5 years when some other tragedy happens nationally.. so he can try and taunt conservatives with leftist liberal BS....

tell us all how smart he is and how many expensive guns he has, and we need to pass more laws, that mythically don't apply to him or his elitist type...

or maybe he's here because he's grounded while his Prius is in the shop getting a new battery...and he's angry at the world...

Thanks, Paul. The BIF photos were taken with a Nikon D300, which is now fairly old. Still waiting for the replacement with better high ISO performance and resolution. I could use two more stops and a 24MP sensor.

The landscapes were taken with a Zone VI camera, which is a 4x5 mahogany view camera, and a Rodenstock 210mm lens. Really a cool setup, and still the most economical way to get high quality large size prints. I have the sheet film developed, then scan them on my Epson scanner. This produces jpeg files of 120MB to as much as 190MB or so. These prints on the screen wall of my home theater are 20x24, grain free and tack sharp:



The one over the mantel is from the view camera, but the one to the left is out of the g15, while the one on the right was shot on a grouse hunt with my old Canon S90. On the back wall there are a couple of oldies shot with my old Olympus OM-1 and K64.

Silly boy, or I should say silly GOY. I guess its true that the Heebs really are smarter than most Anglo rubes. Not smarter than me though.

Let me clue in the Goyim. When you want to understand what is happening, follow the money. Who benefits when "trolls" come here and stir the pot, increasing post counts and views? The OWNER of this little shindig?

We used to have a local DJ that played his choice of tunes, and did his own talk and comment/comedy. Always got the highest ratings. One of his routines was a "preacher" who called, always the same guy, who kept telling him he was going straight to hell. The DJ nicknamed him "cult leader". All in the audience with a higher than room temp IQ figured out this was a "coordinated effort" by no later than the 3rd call.

The guy who owns this joint, one Rick Binn (I wonder if it used to be Binnheim?), lists this site as his only endeavor, and his domicile as Los Angeles, CA. Why would an "outdoorsman" choose to live there, and run an online business that could be run from Jackson Hole? Maybe he has other business in LA to attend to.

LA is the world's epicenter for porn production, another "online" endeavor, jews control it all. Just about every idea and movement to bring down Western Civilization, if some secular jew didn't conceive it, he's writing hefty checks to support it. Soros and Bloomberg come to mind, but they are but the tip of the iceberg. They fund and control the political campaigns of both parties.

A perusal of this site shows a lot of "Goyim" are preoccupied with sports and firearms minutiae. Maybe some of you rubes should read more, and wake up and smell the coffee.

Is that you, Larry?

Or is it SBH?

Either way, GFY.

Gee, "Tyrone"......

Welcome to the Campfire....

We've had a shortage of knowITall Buttheads showing up to be replacement trolls, for the previous ones that everyone put on ignore and they got tired of being ignored so they went elsewhere to be INternet knowITalls and Buttheads.....

Hope you enjoy your stay here.... I'm sure it won't last long per usual... unless you're like MR. Padidler... who just shows up every 4 or 5 years to be a dick for a week or two and then forgets we Surfs until the next time he gets bored....

it was kinda nice for his to show up pics of his "theatre" room with his pictures on the wall taken by all the cameras he owns, on top of his 45,000 Dollar Shotguns....trying to impress us all that he must be smarter than everyone here because he has a lot of expensive stuff....

I've been around people with a lot more wealth, and more public notoriety than he'll ever have, so I'm not overly impressed...but maybe someone else is...

anyway welcome to the Campfire and enjoy your week to 2 weeks journey slumming with we peons, surfs and peasants...

So a hardy campfire GFY to one of our newest guests...

Take a high resolution image of some logs on a fire grate to tuck in there.

hey Seafire, look in the bottom left corner of the pictures, looks like web take off pic from JAM home theater company. Also notice that the fire place has never seen a fire? Fraud maybe?

Probably ^^^^^^^

http://www.jamhometheater.com/#!about-jam

What I was thinking when the first wildlife shots showed. Find it hard to believe that someone who owns high dollar shotguns by at least 6, view cameras that have serfs do the darkroom work, drive a car that we see in the drive way and a lawn that looks like [bleep].

I have done work for two of the richest folks in Colorado, many who would like to be those persons and not a one would even think of hanging out here as a troll. Nor would they think that pulling a canoe on a home built bike trailer would be fun, even if they had the time.

AS far as details on cameras, theater systems etc, nomenclature is easily taken from the web.

Actually, this individual reeks of the scent of several of the high profile trolls that havae been here before.

JAM is my initials, doofus. What do you think I've been doing for the last four years, not wasting time here on the 'fire?

Here's my humble shop with the CD/DVD cabinet in progress:



Here's what it looks like installed:



It was my largest woodworking project ever, and very satisfying. I asked a cabinetmaker what he thought it would cost to hire out, he said ~$30K. I have $3K-$5K into the wood, most of which started out as 4/4 hit or miss raw lumber. It looks much better in person:

You were so close here, just take out that one little word "and" and its perfect.


Feeding trolls a$$holes only makes them happy.

more power to ya Padidler....

show all the spendy stuff ya wanna...

but I don't think you'll impress many folks here...

maybe except a few other troll wannabes...

money and possessions isn't the mark that makes a good person or one happy...nor impress anyone but the poorest and stupidest...

I've had the opportunity to meet folks, be in their homes, meet their families, who could easily buy you 10 times over...

and ya know what... they weren't out to impress the masses nor did they act like they were the smartest person in the room by trying to make everyone else feel inferior...

so congrats about all your wealth, your toys, your education whatever that may be.. hope it makes you happy....

but your demeanor doesn't impress me on Iota...

Seafire-this guy's a phony and a fraud. Don't believe his BS for a minute. No one brags on themselves like this douchebag does. Rick needs to just pull the plug on this impostor and be done with it. He's no more a Dr. than I am.

Jeff,

Good to hear from you my friend....

This guy doesn't really impress me one way or the other...

People that feel they have to put up a front are usually doing so to try and hide something...

and the bigger front they put up, the bigger whatever they are trying to hide...

I've met plenty of doctors with this type of personality, however....

but on the flip side, I've met Doctors, say like our Own Doc Rocket.... now there is a professional and a gentleman...he doesn't spend his time trying to impress everyone else with what he has and we don't...

I believe Hatari is some sort of Doc, I think a Dentist...
but you don't see them throwing their assets around the campfire to try and impress anyone...

Padidler is only impressing himself.....if he is impressing anyone else, it certainly isn't me...

actually he's not even worth the time to put on ignore...

he left here 4 or 5 years ago, before he returned... he'll leave again and we won't see him again...

regardless whether he has a few bucks in the bank for real or its all make believe.. its quite evident this guy has serious mental and social issues, and I bet emotional issues are tied in there to boot...

guy reeks of someone who severely needs a 12 step program...

Yep, life is good, and I've been truly blessed. Why are you all so angry? What happened to y'all?

Who's angry?

you see anyone angry? if so you are delusional...

what you see, but are too blind for it to register evidently,
is the campfire is pretty much laughing their asses off at you...

but if that is the attention you want to bask in...

knock yourself out and don't let us rain on your parade...

enjoy yourself....

I missed it. When did this thread become about Shrapnel?

Shrap is good people Roy...

I say that, the same way I'd tell Shrap that Roy is Good People...

paddler is a douche, probably has few friends in life so he compensates by trying to one up everyone he can.

Somebody started a thread about me because I support rational gun control, support Planned Parenthood, told the truth about Chainsaw Carly and called out Shrapnel for ground swatting grouse. You know, I brought a bit of reality, opinions shared by the majority of Americans to the campfire. My bad.

uhhhhh,,

you shared opinions shared by the majority of people YOU know...not what the majority of Americans share....

Quit being a pompous ass, and you'd be welcome like any other decent guy would here...

its not the difference of opinions so much, its how you act like you are superior and smarter than everyone else here...
when in reality you're showing what a dumbass you can be...

you're not real good as a people person are ya?

Please explain to us how that "rational gun control" works, and just where in this country is that.

PADDLER - Defined as just another POS obama sucking traitor.

Still waiting for that rebut, princess

You're narcissism is showing, you saw only what you wanted to see and missed the rest of the post. Like I said your going to die a typical.

Very nice shotguns........ Bourgeoisie.


Politically,never trust an avid shotgunner (nor a fly fisherman).

While generalizations are hard to justify, I have noticed that both seem too reflective and convinced of their moral and intellectual superiority They tend to over-think;their supposedly superior intellect causing them to over-analyze issues (like gun control),and fall into the "trap" of creeping incrementalism which is the hallmark of Progressives. These enlightened individuals will bargain or vote away your rights in the name of perceived "solutions", which they clearly can't prove.

But they will lecture you about how "right" they are until you are sick of them.

Give them an inch and after they have seduced you into that, they will take a proverbial mile,like "lumping" guns into categories and denying access to same by certain people in society;and then another "category",and another class of people. Those with emotional "problems" today,post war vets tomorrow...the constant drip,drip,drip until nothing is left.


Incrementalism. I have grown cynical of listening to these people,and do not trust them as far as I could flip their $40,000 shotguns.


(Just like the pro abortion forces after Roe v Wade,where (IIRC) they justified first trimester abortions,.....and the "drip,drip,drip" began, until today,we are unceremoniously murdering new born infants with their heads stuck in the birth canal. Or tossing them into SS tubs and handling them with forceps because they can't be handled by hand....too humanizing.)

But those shotgunners...and fly fishermen....figure none of this will ever affect them. After all, they are "reasonable", enlightened people,their expensive shotguns are works of art,and of no interest to the state. After the "drip,drip,drip", they still get to keep and use them,atop a mountain of red tape and ammunition quotas.

Besides, who needs anything other than a $40,000 shotgun? Those "other guns",whether black, or semi-auto,or bolt action,are infernal machines of the masses. We'll take those away, restrict access.

No one commits mayhem with a H&H or Purdey, right? The working scrubs can't afford them,right?

OTOH, the riflemen tend to be barbarians, think in black and white,and are straight up in your face. I trust them....a lot more.....having been exposed a great deal, to both.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.

Now that was a good long post! I couldn't have agreed more on the second sentence if I had written it myself.

Except, sometimes a fly will catch more fish than hardware or bait.

Great post Bob.


I have an uncle who is very pro-wolf, pro-buff, anti-hunting, wannabe environmentalist(has built a couple big earth fuucker houses....go figure..).


Total "all knowing" dumb-fuuck.


Little yappy Italian but is totally run by my aunt who is equally "all knowing". Seriously funny relationship.



Big surprise, he's a doctor(ER).


Now if I was injured and needed someone to save my life I would trust him in an instant.


Advice on anything else?

No way.



Speaking of sporting, shooting birds over decoys from a camo'd position isn't exactly challenging. But if someone wants to do it, have at it, I don't care.

I'm sure Paddler has wounded WAY more waterfowl than Shrapnel ever will shooting grouse in the head with a 357.

It will and sometimes silver spoons will catch more, or a live shrimp or roe, or.....

So, if a guy is fly fishing, and catching the most fish, you can trust him.

If he's catching diddly-squat, he's probably FOS. And smoking a pipe.

Reading comprehension is a bitch in those higher elevations. If A then Z.

Short but sweet! Describes liberals to a tee.

Reading comprehension is especially tough when you start out each day with someone pissing in your Wheaties I hear.

He went so far as to say that the homesteaders were basically 'on welfare' because they received something for nothing.

He'd love to nationalize privately held mineral rights.

I could go on and on...


Total idiot.


Needless to say my parents make sure I'm not around during their rare visit. For my mom's sake my dad just bites his tongue.

Excellent post Bob & spot-on.

"Politically,never trust an avid shotgunner (nor a fly fisherman)."

Good thing you qualified that statement with "avid" because I do both occasionally...(and rather poorly).

Kidding aside,,,, there's allot of truth to that statement.

Good one right here.




Travis

Real men throw rocks in the tank and cut loose when they get over hard ground... grin.




Travis

I always wonder if guys like paddler enjoyed their first blow job, or if they drank to get rid of the taste afterwards

This idea that the majority can force their views on the minority is bogus and dangerous. I don't GAF what someone else supports or doesn't support. America is supposed to be free, a constitutional republic. I can't believe people put up with the fraud and the robbery and the tyranny that has become government at every level.

Paddler: you are free to believe what you will and support what you will. Don't force me to agree or pay for it. There is no such thing as lawful "common sense gun control". Those powers are prohibited the government according to the highest law of the land. If you like abortions, feel free to have and pay for as many as you like. What part of this stuff are you not understanding?

What part of how this nation is supposed to work are all of you not understanding? Democrats are not allowed to force their agenda upon Republicans, and force them to pay for it, and vice versa. The reason things keep getting worse in the US is that each side in this system feels justified in tyrannizing the other side, using the force of government to do so. The only winners are those of either party who are in power.

It's pretty much the other way around now, well into the age of Obama...

All that matters is the minority, whatever that may be... LGBT, religion, race, anti-gun, environmental radicals, anti-Christians...

If they are a vocal minority, this administration makes sure they win, and win big.

At some point, you'd think more than a handful of normal Americans would say "enough".

When one proclaims the means first, it tells me what I need to know.

If someone were to ask me 'Are you a flyfisherman' I would answer that I'm a fisherman. Just as I am a hunter.

Can't understand starting of with the 'means' in which you fish/hunt, other than to be just another self-righteous, pompous ass. We have enough of them.

Looking back at this thread, it would seem our dialogue began once you became cunny hurt again.

Scott: Glad I made you happy....LOL!


SamO: In a deposition with a doctor involved in a business deal, he said that he was a very well educated man in a very narrow field of endeavor.....of many other things, he knew nothing. I never forgot that.



Smokepole: Anent the flies vs. spoons, etc....There's a difference between being versatile, open minded, and smart.....and looking down your nose at everyone else, because they do something in a different way.





The firearms classifications proposed here are nothing more than feel good,creeping incrementalism,and will not work. Except to deny law abiding people from accessing certain types of firearms..It underestimates the resourcefulness of a diabolical mind, which will simply find other means to commit mayhem (like pressure cookers),and don't adhere to legal boundaries . It's a shallow solution.

Agreed. My only point was, you can't judge a book by its cover.

Looks to me like you're the one wrapped up in this. Knock yourself out.

When Piddler started in on his home theater lined with rich mahogany I about spewed my hand-ground and pressed Sumatran coffee on the screen... We need to lay off of Comrade Piddler - He's obviously a very big deal.

Lots of intolerance here, lots of profanity, but not a single original thought or shred of a sense of humor. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. Well, wait, that's not true. I came here just to see the response to the UCC shootings. It was entirely predictable and completely wrong.

You should trust a doctors judgement, even outside his field of expertise if he has knowledge and experience on the topic. Especially when his views reflect reality. I understand that letting go of your fear, even paranoia, is difficult for the 'fire regulars. Living in the right wing bubble doesn't work. When the real world passes you by, it leads to feelings of disenfranchisement, such feelings cause the behavior I'm seeing here. It doesn't have to be this way. The first step is disavowing your delusions, get some accurate information. Listen to NPR rather than Rush. I'll work on a 12 step program for y'all.

You were given accurate information, you're just too much of a loser to be able to refute it

You're probably one of those doctors that has the vanity plates, or MD indicative plates on your vehicle, so everyone can know just how special you are....used to love people like that. About the only people I stopped that were guaranteed to get several tickets

Ya know, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you really are a total dumb phugg.

ASSMAN? = paddler?

Here's an original thought - one that served this nation well for nigh on 225 years:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Bob,

Great post and for reasons than the obvious. See Peddler can beat around the bush to your reasoning, however he can't argue against it. Calling him names and questioning his manhood is what he wants, feeds on and expects. He can poke back and try to appear superior to that kind of response. After all he is a Doctor and therefore superior. While most assuredly are not of like mind they have their share. They are told they are the "best and the brightest" and some take it more seriously than others.

Your reply however always will cause him to fumble and stutter.

Thanks.

There are true MDs and then there are the 'other' MDs who choose to be shills advocating extreme liberal causes, regardless how dishonest and unrealistic they are, as long as it benefits them materially.

For example most here feel our own DocRocket is quite trustworthy and as such respect his judgment and professional opinions.

"Living in the Right Wing bubble" was based more on evolution than substantive choice, more empirical than spiritual,and certainly not from any state of paranoia......since I can spit twice and hit Harvard Square from here, grew up and was educated in the Boston area institutions.Listened to the Liberal professors.

Point being,the Progressive/Liberal culture here would make what you have in Utah look like a bunch of lightweights.

So I listened and watched as all their "ideas" and increased regulations failed miserably,solved no problems,until it dawned on me..."These people don't know what the hell they are doing". I learned to NEVER trust them.All they do is leave society in a state of disarray,spend endlessly as they look to government for all the solutions,and pontificate.

It hasn't changed. Your solutions are "old",have not worked, and never will. The evidence is no further away than the banning of automatic weapons, the murder rates in Chicago and many other metropolitan areas of this and other countries.

The solutions lie elsewhere. I'm not pretentious enough to lecture people on here that I have the answer, but I know....you don't.

As others have already said, Bob's right. There are a lot of avid shotgunners & fly fishermen that subscribe to "Gray's Sporting Journal". Over the years I've seen more anti NRA; anti prairie dog shooting, anti anything that's not fly fishing or shotgunning, letters to the editor with negative references to bubbas, rednecks, etc. than all the other outdoor magazines I've read combined.

Bob, I have the answer. It is simply freedom, self-determination, and responsibility.

Anything else is pathological.

DocRocket is top shelf

Battue: I didn't mean to paint all Doctors with a broad brush LOL!I was merely responding to SamO's narrative. I met my new primary care physician the other day for routine checkup....a lovely, intelligent lady who was receptive and curious when I told her my primary recreational activities were hunting, shooting,and bass fishing. So I am not anti-doctor by any means. I have met a lot of great ones and respect their intelligence and professionalism.

I'll save the broad strokes for the fly fishermen and shotgunners ....of which I am "both". But like Scott said, I am first a hunter and fisherman. The tools of the trade are immaterial.

What I find interesting about the approach Paddler advocates ( and he is entitled to his opinion of course), is that he is setting the stage for his own extinction,whether he realizes it or not.

Paddler is an attention whore.

Ignore it and it must go elsewhere for the boosts to it's poor self esteem it desperately craves.

Bob, realize that was not your intent. Nor mine and we all know individuals of Peddlers mind set from all walks of life. However, Peddler feels that because he thinks he has expertise in an area outside of medicine also being an MD means we should value his opinion even more so than those who are not MD's.


Peddler: "You should trust a doctors judgement, even outside his field of expertise if he has knowledge and experience on the topic. Especially when his views reflect reality."

He brags on about his shotguns like a kid with his cat's eye marble collection. I know a few that could eaisly trump it in the trunk of the car. Would look at his mostly mid-level assembly, be assulted with his arrogance and quickly move on. Some of them working class fellows also.

Not sure if they flyfish. But if they did they would be fine people to spend the day with.

What is it about freedom that you hate?

How is it that limiting the ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves solves anything?

Are you afraid of allowing working class people access to the means to defend themselves?

If a man... Perhaps a high class man of taste such as yourself... Were to snap one day like a cane flyrod... And take his fancy 5-figure clay-buster into a shopping mall and kill some people... Maybe by stalking on his belly like yer hero John Kerry (who served his country in Vietnam) does when deer hunting, getting up close and personal... Or just by peppering a crowd with 00 buck... Whatever... If that were to happen, would you happily lay down your weapons?

Just curious but we know you won't answer the question. Cuz the best you got is name calling.

Bob, doesn't that seem a little short sided coming from a guy who fancies 82 trick move gunsmiths and their ilk.

So here's my Representative Chaffetz getting schooled by the president of PP. Pretty funny how his gotcha slide blew up in his face:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdd1HvwfmOc

Here's the real deal on Carly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yeuPT2ZQs

You'll notice that nationwide polls indicate strong support for PP. Republicans do not, especially the hard right, misinformed ones like those here. The reality is that PP doesn't use tax dollars for abortions, nor do they sell fetal tissue for profit. If you cannot accept that, you may live in the bubble.

Gun control needs to happen. If you belong to the NRA, you may live in the bubble.

Now I'm confused.

Ju





Still too chicken shidt to try and debate my response huh


Fuggin commie, coward

he is delusional and psychotic recognizes this in himself and recognizes the similarity between himself and these psychotics and is scared of his own personality. There is no point debating him. He is afraid of himself and what he could do, so he pushes gun control.

Hell of a way for PP to make money. Old dead Ann Richards daughter makes lots of money off selling dead aborted babies. For profit or not for profit.
All you have to do is spend more to make a non-profit.

Oh, by the way do you give the babies you abort "a sporting chance" ?

As am I. I appeared that Bob was lumping high dollar O/U shot gunners and fly fisherman into some sort of pompous liberal elite class and that is not the exclusive domain of the liberal "high class sportsman" by any means. Just take a look any thread in the Custom Rifle Forum peppered with smith's who will "commission" a rifle. These Guild Gun members will gladly drain you of $10-15 thousand dollar tuned up mod 70's that sport synthetic stocks, maybe some "custom bottom metal" (from Williams), reworked triggers, perhaps a custom Talley style scope mount that are plain Jane rifles at a glance. Guys like Echols, Simillion, Penrod and a few others have clients lined up for the functional master pieces. Opt for the wood stocked, rust blued versions and the prices go up rapidly.

A quick glance at Paddlers O/U's revealed mid grade Beretta's no where near the price of the high functioning mod 70's. AS far as fly fisherman are concerned, this only turned into a "high class" sport when the yuppies decided to join into this sport not such a long time ago. They turned FF into a rich man's sport pricing equipment outta reach of the average guy.

I used to FF and got out of it not because of the new complexion of the Joe Jefferson Club participants, but it just lost it's a appeal and equipment prices were adjusted to meet these new fat cats.

I just thought I'd bump PADDLER's phsyco analysis to the for front.

Phsyco hypocrite.

I actually posted my thoughts on gun control here to get them on the record. I came up with the idea after Newtown. Remember where you heard this plan, it will help reduce senseless killings without impacting guns used for target shooting, hunting or home defense. Great stuff!
[/quote]

LOL, in your mind it's on record, what record are your referring to?. Question is, who is it in your mind you think you are? No need to publicly answer, because you already subconsciously did. For someone that's living such a happy life, why is there a need for you to come here a knowingly give your malcontent opinions. Wait you already answered that question as well. Your so transparent, seriously just give it up. BTW, this is the first time I've ever publicly responded to this type misguided illusions from a member here. You illusion of yourself is plainly seen by most on here. Enforce the thousands of laws we have and get rid of gun free zones, that's the best plan we can hope for. There will always be evil in this world and there'll always be stupidity and neither one will ever be fixed by any law or laws, period. Thanks for wasting my time.

That's funny. Exactly whose psychoanalysis are you posting?

I tend to enjoy discussions, and even arguments, with smart, honest, earnest folks having minds reasonably open. After the flow of this thread, Paddler seems to exhibit none of those qualities.

Instead, his posts present him as vain, empty of values and original thoughts, and compensating for inferior feelings and failures.

Who would even want a discussion with such a person?

You forgot to mention that he must have a 3" dick for him to feel the need to bring his boasting here. Or maybe he is just a f u c k i n g douchebag troll that feeds on negative feedback. Had his ass on ignore since he first posted his liberal gun control drivel.

Mine. I'm Doctor StoneCutter. I can see into the brains and mindset of most crazy liberals, socialists, and communists.

Interesting, that's the only hunting publication I subscribe to.

Great article on what we know about guns and mass shootings in America. Remember, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...bout-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-america/

Didn't take long to see the article you posted is way short on "facts". #2 on the list wrongly states that gun ownership is down and since 2008 nothing could be further from the truth. Go peddle your papers elsewhere...

Eric308, the 'fire is a fact free zone. Don't underestimate the ignorance, prejudice, and deliberate refusal to believe anything that contradicts the views expressed here in the bubble.

Nice article, BTW.

Looks like Piddler found a butt buddy.

They'll be the first to go when the sheit gets bad. And I'll laugh.

Speaking of "fact free zones" that would be the space between your ears...the quintessential "bubble" .

Fudd #2 sports an article from a communist rag and Fudd #1 shows pictures of a fireplace that has never had a log burned in it and we (the unwashed) are expected to hang on their every word...laffin'

Think you two need to pay heed to this. FYI.

Yup

I kinda' like animals in general,always have, and at times killing a varmint becomes a chore, with some regret attached.

I agree with you in this particular case,...good, clean, lighthearted American FUN.

GTC

Me , too.

My little lady doesn't seem to understand but I keep telling her...

"We will sit at the precipice warming our toes and swinging our feet as they are cast into the pit."

(shrug)

That is a very astute observation.

I've found it to be typical of his type. This along with Bob's observation that they always consider themselves to be the smartest person in the room and can make up law that will outsmart the collective intelligence of an entire nation.

Your plan includes provisions to disarm the secret service as well correct?

Totally debunked. (Read the links in the article too)
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/bruce-w-krafft/debunking-the-debunker-part-01/

That fireplace will never have wood burned in it. Smoke wouldn't be good for all the high end gear, and since there are no windows I don't think it would meet code. It will have a gas log, my wife will be buying it. Besides, the house has four other fireplaces, so it's no big deal.

Your gonna have some heads explode when you start defending a position with facts.heheh

So fact really don't matter to Padidler?

therefore in conclusion, say someone said he was a pedophile.... according to Padidlers standards, that person wouldn't have to provide any real proof and we all should accept whatever is said as gospel?

Remember this is a hypothetical question, but I am just trying to follow the logic Padidler is wanting us to follow...

eg: Facts aren't needed, and we should take someone's words at face value...

Why is your dog bleeding from his anus?

Hem aroids ?

Yeh right



When some trust fund d bag comes on here and posts pics from high priced canned hunts and just has to
Mention the cost of his firearms that is a big clue to me that you are not a sportsmen but some rich insecure loser with an irrational fear of firearms and a hatred for
Middle class Americans.

Take your gun ban schit elsewhere

James 3:5 ESV

So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire!

this aint a porn thread???? wtf

Trust fund? Canned hunts? My dog isn't bleeding, and it's a she, not a he. You have no idea what you're talking about. Of course, like so many others here, it will not stop you from shooting your mouth off.

So why is it that the leftist that want to ban or outlaw the Second Amendment are usually the same crowd that Abuse the First Amendment?

You + Dacha makes sense.

Historically unpopular here, and guaranteed to fail.

GTC

Anybody here want to suggest/argue that this nonsensical "opulence" length penis that this Paddler outfit's waving around isn't the purest form of CLASS WARFARE, ...

straight out of Stalin's "republic" ?

or that the word DACHA isn't in line ?

dare ya'

GTC

I can certainly admire the craftsmanship that goes into a Piotti or similar high grade gun. The arrogance to brag about what was paid for it? Not so much.

Not at all, actually.

Join Maser on ignore, Paddler.

Actually, RIBKA has more of of a clue as the reality of the situation than you ever will.

Do you really think he actually owns those? This guys just jerkin' our collective chains and having a good time doing it. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

You really are full of yourself, aren't you. I would trust a doctor no more than anyone else. As a matter of fact, I know of a few instances within my immediate family when doctors couldn't even diagnose a medical condition. In on of those, a nurse pegged it where the doctor failed.

I agree with Bob and Steelhead on the fly-fishing observation.

It's just about the same as being a doctor. Being one means nothing in particular, but if you brag about being one, or think being one confers some special status, you're just a pompous ass.

Describes piddler to a "T"...

Here's the bottom line Piddler, you are a socialist which is just a left handed communist and to be despised for that reason only.

Did any of you take notice that this man who from his own words is intelligent, wealthy, knowledgeable, outdoorsy sorta guy does not have a friend in the world to share his narcissistic wonderfulness with.
All the wealth and prosperity he boasts of can't buy friendship or companionship, sadly he comes here to appease himself by showing us through his arrogance and seeming superiority, that he needs only an audience, and a small stage to present his sad little life's story.

I pity his poor dog.

the guy is a douche bag plain and simple. he'd get ass beat in a heart beat in normal circles, any friends he might have are just hanger on's or douches in their own right. I know a couple doctors and nether have his mentality. funny how one of those doctors i know values my advice and input over his other doctor friends.

I didn't pay anywhere the new asking price for the King I. I worked a cash and trade with Bill Moore before he passed, so I'm in it right. The Westlake I bought sight unseen from a very honest and honorable gentleman. It was everything he represented it to be, and it too is worth more today than what I paid. In fact, that deal included a little boxlock with an English name but looked to me to be of Spanish origin. It went to Moore along with another gun or two for the King I.

I'll be going up for grouse again today. It's cool, crisp and clear, one of those magical Autumn days. Perhaps I'll share more pictures.

NGAF

Did you pay your sales tax on that beautiful deal? Hmmmmmm......

Are you sure piddler in this day and age you just don't know for sure! Did you ask him her how she feels? Maybe she can't help it! If she were born transgender there's nothing you can do about it you just have to accept it.........

She got fixed. Hope you did, too, before passing on your genetic code. We don't need more stupid.

Well, I'll be leaving soon. Gotta lace up my Kenetreks, grab my Filson vest, maybe take a 16 today. Let's see, shall it be a Piotti, the RBL or the Merkel? Feels like a Merkel day. As Rachel Maddow says, "Watch this space."

Guys, this tool is putting on a charade. Odds are he/she/it lives in New York, California, or DC. I have yet to ever meet anyone from Utah this arrogant and ignorant.

So, it was a nice day at 9700'. Here are some photos:

You waitin' fer somebody to tell ya "tah tah",.?

I mean, c'mon. Just 'cause you a liberal don't mean ya have to act all homo.

,...I don't think.

Even a socialist piece of [bleep] like you can have a good day occasionally...

I was on foot, the bids were taken on the wing. Weird, huh?

Look at that puss.....

verifies it all....

little doubt whatsoever now...

He can shoot them as he wishes with whatever he wishes. Makes little difference to the Grouse. Nor does it appear all that difficult-sitting or flying-for no doubt it is the "bush" league of Ruffed Grouse hunting. I'm betting the majority that his Dog points flutter up looking for a perch. So flying is not all that harder or challenging. (Those other game birds I know nothing of.)

Scenes from the big leagues of Ruffed Grouse shooting.

Paid full price of approx $900. What's amatter with me?





Definitely not at 9000+, but harder on the legs I'm thinking. Laffen







However, as predicted he has avoided any serious debate on the import subject with Bob. Reason being he is out of his league. Laffen big time..

More scenes from the big leagues. That one cost less than
$100 new and I paid $275 with most of the coating gone. Whatsa matter with me?






Big league ball park: Been known to not only scratch up a shotgun but also put a few nicks into the carrier.



Kinda thick in there:

$300 for that killing machine. The Dog cost a bit more.

Mr. Paddler,
I take it you have been granted permission to take your lot of the Kings game? As I am sure you are very aware, we must take any,every all steps necessary and available to ensure the common subjects do not infringe upon our game here in His Majesties Kingdom.

If I saw that in the mirror, I'd beat the schit out of myself.

Holy fugk!

Laughin' my ass off...




Travis

From the overall composition it appears the tool is the center of importance. The game and Dog are incidental.

The whole of it has a "Look at me" feel. But I expected little more.

Bush.

Someone take that hat.
Please.

Just think how his mom must feel............

The hat would make sense if it was raining or in the forecast. Either it is new or hasn't seen much of it. Could be wrong, but it looks mostly like a couch hat from here. Nice touch with the leather hat band.

Never understood the reverence for a stupid bird, and stupid they are.

I stalked up on are pair one day, shot one with are .22, the second walked over and bobbed it's head like it was saying" George get up you dummy" I I head shot that one too

Needs a whip.




Travis

Watched Citizen Kane last night. This guy has the look and attitude of Citizen Kane at the height of the character's arrogance, probably at about the same age. As I've watched the movie a couple times before, in Citizen Kane, the hole that a missing heart leaves, gets filled with stuff, which at the character's death, gets thrown into a large incinerator, like all the relationships he sullied. Good film.
I'm grateful for all that I have, most importantly, friends and family, and wonderful hounds throughout my life.
This guy can remind us by sharp contrast of what we have, not what we don't have.

The lack of a $40-something K shotgun in that situation makes it prole.

Appropriate verse, well said thanks.

I studied phernology.

Im guessing that once that hat is off some lumps are gonna be revealed.

I'm sure he takes the hat off when he sucks dick

Stone face, big mask, little else. Sad.

Try that with these Birds and see how it works.

Fred Bear would spin in his grave if he knew what happened to his hat.

He'd pull full draw and stick an arrow in our good Mr. Paddler.

What birds.

Sorry Piddler, but my young grandson out Classes you, using a vintage Savage 220 20ga single shot, hunting behind his big Llewellin setter.





And hunting blue grouse...




He'll someday inherit these and is using many of them this weekend, hunting deer, sagehen, and blue grouse.



[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/luv2safari/KODAK9-2012039-1.jpg[/img]


If you're looking for a "whose dickk is bigger" shootout by bragging about your guns, you lose to a 12y/o kid!


BTW, he loves shooting an AR and is an amazing shot.

It varies in different parts of the country but basically Ruff Grouse are easy to hunt/shoot in a bar ditch or setting in a tree but not so easy when flushing in thick cover. They're actually the hardest upland bird I've hunted in the latter scenario. That's certainly not because they're smart though, it's because of the nano-second you have to shoot before they're behind something.

Blue or Spruce Grouse aren't much of a challenge either way. Least the ones I've hunted in a few different western states weren't.

If you notice.....Piddler seems to be shooting mostly Blue's which isn't much of a challenge no matter how much you pay for a scatter gun.

So, in essence in regards to ruffled grouse the "gentilemans" way, or "sporting way" is to let the dog do the hunting, otherwise your unwprthy...got it

'Cept fer the finger nails he looks a lot like Freddy Krueger........

This is such a good post.
I keep coming back to it because I have to read it again and again and again.

I bring it back to the top, hoping others will read it again, too and appreciate it as I do.

I've read your posts before.
I can say with certainty, you are a beautiful woman.

A very humble thank you.

Dry and tight.

You haven't hunted our blues, it appears. They are masters of flushing out the other side of the trees and wild when on the ground feeding.

Ask weaslesRus...he guides in NV blue grouse territory.

Not at all...

Good dogs just add to the fun and total experience. They also locate birds you wouldn't and find downed birds you might lose.

Having a dog to locate birds dropped in thick stuff or cripples that run are a responsible way to hunt, IMO.

Just like treeing Coons, running Mt Lions, etc the Dogs do a lot of the dirty work.

You guys are running true to form. You understand hurling lame insults makes you look bad, right?

luv2safari, what gun is that?

The grouse around here are tough if you're a sportsman. I could have shot a limit yesterday if I wanted to shoot them sitting. No thanks, I'll leave that to Shrapnel. Blues and ruffeds both are pretty good at keeping trees between you and them. Shots are quick through the trees, the blues flush wild because of the sparse cover in the pines. Sometimes I wonder if a dog helps or hurts you in those conditions. They definitely help finding downed birds, and they're amazing to watch. I wouldn't hunt without one, but they can be a double edged sword. My last bird yesterday flushed high out of a tree, heading downhill fast. I had to spin 180 degrees and hit a dropping target, which isn't easy gven my mediocre shooting skills. The first one was flushing from one tree to another, I had to run a few steps to my left to get a decent shot. I'd love a nice straightaway flushing from under my feet, but that's a rarity. Hit more trees than birds yesterday. I'll be hunting ducks tomorrow.

Yes, but the attitude presented here is that unless you use a dog, and wear tweed hats your not worthy of shooting a grouse..

I don't agree. I think they're easier to kill if you shoot them sitting, but much more difficult on the wing. Can't endorse ground swatting Doesn't matter what you wear or what you shoot, so long as you respect the resource and give them a sporting chance. The dog helps find downed birds, but I wouldn't criticize someone who hunts without one. I wear a hat and sunscreen to prevent skin cancer. Seen too much melanoma.

You really[I mean REALLY] can't be outdoors in a downpour, can you?

It's going to be clear and warm tomorrow.

luv2safari, is that a Merkel? Simpson? Don't see a crossbolt. Looks like false sideplates?

We can still hope........

I haven't taken the time to read all of this thread. However, picking up on the grouse shooting topic, I peter to take them either on the ground, or out of the trees.

I have been shooting ruffed grouse for about 40 years, with and without a dog, on the wing and on the ground, with shotguns (single shots and pumps), with .22 rifles and revolvers, with an air rifle, a few with a .30.30, and a few with my bow. They are a food source for our family of five, including 4 hunters, and we have consumed as many as 70 in a good season.

We are so in tuned to harvesting them for eating, through both concerted hunting effort and opportunity, that one time my wife drove over to my office with a dead grouse in a bag for me to dress. She picked it up after it flew into one of our picture windows and died in the yard. One time I stopped after work at a spot right before sunset and shot five in a row out of a single tree. They were so intent on eating buds that when I got done picking them all up, there were still two feeding.

What I find most rewarding nowadays is enjoying long walks in remote woods on a nice fall day, and shooting a few birds to eat. In fact I don't try anymore to shoot them on the wing when they first flush. I have gotten good at hearing and spotting them on the ground before they flush, finding them in branches or in cover after a flush, and sneaking in for a clean head shot. I really like to hear a fall drummer, time him, pinpoint his location and finally shoot him right off his log. These are always nice full grown birds. After dispersal of broods, the same logs seem to hold new drummers year after year. I keep note of them.

I don't personally care for road hunting, or riding around for them on an ATV, but know guys that like do that, which is great for them. I am not above stopping along the way to a spot to pot one standing on the side of the road. Where I hunt, it is a challenge to get them to fly anyways, other than right up into a tree.

I really don't care for attitudes among those who look down on how others choose to harvest grouse. It is all good as long as respect for the animal is there, and the meat is utilized, as there is no better food for the table than a ruffed grouse around these parts.

Dick,

I would love to take you up on that offer. It seems that we do have a lot in common as I work in a hospital ER myself. I would gladly fly my own airplane down to Salt Lame and hunt Blues with you.

I believe I could find a couple shotguns much more rare than those wop specials you are toting around. We could sashay about your favorite hunting spots and I could shoot all the grouse you miss and even whack a few on the ground for fun.

After a jolly old time in the field, we could share a few toddies before I bitch slapped you senseless...

one time i gave my ex wife a dozen Quill to cook me for dinner. she wasn't very happy when she opened the bag and they all flew up in her face..... probably one of the reasons she divorced me.

I didn't say anything about sporting or gentlemanly.
I was simply pointing out the degree of difficulty between shooting one on the road or in a tree as opposed to over a dog in thick cover.
Kill em anyway you want to (I do) but don't put words in my mouth.

I grew up in NV and hunted Blues all my life. Mostly in the Independence range up around the Blue Jacket. I've literally walked up close enough to more than one that I could have killed with my boot while Deer hunting.
Ruffs are just as dumb. they just live in thicker cover so you have to be pretty quick... Cept when they're out graveling on the logging roads...that's when most of em get shot around here.
Truth be told,,,, I get allot closer and have more opportunities on both species without a dog but since I love bird dogs I use em.
Matter of fact...even though I love eating Grouse...if I didn't have a dog I doubt that I'd bother with em.

Im sorry to hear that.

My wife would laugh her azz off with butcher knife in hand and freeze wrap on the counter.

I say again, I'm sorry to hear that...


I don't know what else to say.

i thought it was funny as hell, she got a pacemaker not to long after that. i will say all these yrs later we are on good terms.

Agreed. Nothing like watching a good dog work. My GSP does better on chukar, though. The blues flush wild more often than not. I think I might kill more without the dog, but I wouldn't have as much fun. I shoot rabbits on the ground, but just because they don't have wings.

NGAF

Paddler has some thick skin, I'll give him that. That ain't always easy on these forums.

nah he's just a douche bag.

I'm glad to hear that.
I mean that from the heart.

Run away all they want, we still take care of them.

He thinks he wins, gets people's goat.

The thread goes on and on.
But that doesn't give his kind the win.

Everybody else learns.
We laugh.
We learn.
We win.
Fugg him.

Yeah, I know.

But at least he didn't run away and cower.

Are you so desperate for a friend that you're hoping that I forgot that you told me what an idiot I was just a day or two ago....because I didn't.

Go "peddle" your BS somewhere else douche bag.

This paddle is made from bamboo. Bamboo is a grass not a wood. Paddler is made of hot air and bull $hit. Paddler is a azz hat not one of us cool sumbitches.

Just a few facts, the Internet needs more facts.

TFF!

Did I throw you guys too many curves? Mission accomplished.

I don't remember inviting you down, but you're more than welcome to fly down. I'll pick you up at the airport, we can hunt whatever you like. Bring whatever gun you like. My dog had knee surgery and is still isn't 100%. The only rule is that you must not shoot a bird on the ground or out of a tree before I have the chance to flush it.

I have a most excellent supply of bourbon and scotch. You can even see my home theater in person. Bring your favorite music, I guarantee you've never heard it this good before.

Im glad your pooch got his needed knee surgery.
When is your brain surgery scheduled?
I hear surgeons are getting so good they can preform two procedures at once.

Imagine the money to be saved if your proctologist and your cranialogist work together performing simultaneous surgeries and the anesthesiologist bills you only once.

Its the first i've noticed of this paddler guy..I see he lives in Utah. I wonder what year he moved here from California..

Cali guys get defensive when poked fun at, but id bet my truck that paddler is a Cali transplant..lots of them here anymore.

Who cares where he came from.
He's a puddle of dog puke.

And you know what it says about a dog and his vomit...

+1

GAYdar is pegged at a solid 10.0

Certainly explains that hat.




Dave

Professor Sportsman shotguns wabbits. Funny schit.





Travis

Do you want to hop in my airplane and go on a hunting trip?

Seeing you live in Minnesoduh, you should be accustomed to his MO.



Travis

Seafire thanks for the invite but i will pass. Should I feel the need to meet a total idiot I have a Borough nearby who's Mayor belongs to Bloomberg's anti gun club.

Sure. I'll drive.



Travis

Did Shrapnel really use the word 'sashay'?

This place is tanking. Fast.

See you at the bottom.




Clark

Already there waiting on you.


Assman.

I knew I'd catch hell for that.

Who said I used a shotgun? A buddy and I used to shoot jacks with centerfires, my 270 and his 280, but haven't done that in too long to remember. I rarely shoot at them anymore, and only with a .22 handgun, either a Ruger Mk II or my Anschutz Exemplar. Don't kill what I don't want to eat anymore. Don't even hunt cottontails much anymore, but when I do it's with my Kimber 82 with a Leupold scope. Head shots only so you don't waste meat.

So, Shrapnel, I see your inviting yourself down was just bravado. Too bad, I think 'fire members should meet each other.

Yep, moved here from California in 1982 after med school at UCLA, for my Family Practice residency at the U of U. Like it here, except the politics are weird.

i've killed more jackrabbits with a baseball bat than a gun, now that's sporting.

Fixt
Lmao!

Makes ya want to go baby seal a paddler, don't it.

Just for the sport of it...

Anyone here remember the Mall Ninja? If so, you might want to note a few things here.

Hitting jacks on the run isn't easy. I once killed one running at 257 paced off yards with my Kimber 22LR. His unlucky day. I killed 7 one day with the Ruger Mk II, at distances between 90 and 125 yards. They were sitting, though.

I'm going to write Chaffetz today with my gun control proposal. We'll see what kind of response I'll get.

I sent the following to Jason. Punctuation got lost in the translation:

Dear Representaive Chaffetz,

I wrote the following after Newtown:

On the Prevention of Mass Murders

The recent tragedy in Newtown, like most tragedies, was not the result of one event, but rather a series of failures. It was the result of previously undiagnosed mental illness in an individual who had access to advanced weaponry capable of sustained high rates of fire. Both mental illness and the weapons capable of such destruction were required to produce this tragic loss of life.
Perhaps because this shooting resulted in the death of twenty young children and six educators, it seems the nation is more ready now than ever before to entertain measures to prevent similar occurrences in the future. One could argue that this new willingness to act is the result of the cumulative effects of so many similar events. It matters not which of these is causative, or even if other factors are responsible, the fact remains that we must act.
Various ideas have been advanced; banning the weapons involved, banning high capacity magazines, posting armed security officers in our schools, training and arming our teachers, and a more comprehensive approach to mental illness. These ideas all have their proponents, and varying degrees of merit, depending on one’s experience and point of view.
As a lifelong hunter and avid outdoorsman, it occurs to me that we may already have in place mechanisms to help prevent future disasters. We can, merely by reclassifying certain weapons, reduce access by mentally ill people to the weapons most often used in these shootings. The three most important characteristics of the weapons used in Newtown and other mass shootings are having a semiautomatic action, the capability to use detachable magazines, and the fact that they fire centerfire ammunition. Semiautomatic weapons allow rapid rates of fire, that is, they fire a bullet, eject the spent case, and load a fresh round with each pull of the trigger. Detachable magazines allow for rapid reloading of multiple rounds of ammunition in one motion. The capability of using centerfire ammunition increases the lethality of each round of ammunition, as rimfire ammunition is generally less powerful.
We already have restrictions on the ownership of certain weapons, commonly called NFA firearms. These include fully automatic firearms, referred to by some as machine guns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and destructive devices. Fully automatic weapons are generally used by the military; the civilian versions are manufactured as semiautomatic. It is interesting to note that studies done by the military have shown that fully automatic weapons are wasteful of ammunition, as the weapon will continue firing so long as the trigger is depressed. Emptying a magazine completely in a matter of seconds actually limits the effectiveness of these weapons in many combat situations. The solution to this problem was developing the ability to switch these arms into “Select Fire” or “Burst” mode. In this mode, the weapon will fire several rounds with each pull of the trigger, but won’t empty the entire clip.
There is little practical difference in situations such as Newtown between weapons that fire three rounds versus those that fire only one each time the trigger is pulled. Both use centerfire ammunition, both require no more than pulling the trigger to fire a round and load another, and both accept detachable magazines of various capacities. Therefore, the most elegant solution to the gun control issue would be to reclassify these weapons, rifle, pistol or shotgun, as NFA firearms. They would be subject to increased restrictions for buying, owning and transferring. Just as with current Class 3 weapons, people could still buy them. Nothing would be banned, not magazines or the weapons themselves. Individuals would be required to register them with the ATF, undergo strict background checks, get a signature from local law enforcement, notify the ATF if they were to be taken across state lines, and pay a tax of $200 per item. This program could easily be applied to weapons currently in circulation.
This solution would not impact guns typically used for sporting purposes, such as hunting and target shooting. Shotguns and rifles used in these ways have typically have fixed magazines. There are a few exceptions, but small design changes could be made that would exempt the guns in question. It would not impair the ability to defend one’s home, as the weapon most recommended for this task by experts is a shotgun. It also would not affect rimfire weapons, such as 22 caliber rifles or handguns.
Reclassification of these guns should be the most acceptable approach to all sides in the debate over gun control. It would not threaten the Second Amendment, it merely compensates for the technologic advances since the days of the musket. It actually corrects a glaring oversight in our current weapon classification system. Manufacturers could still build these weapons, the public could still buy them, and it would do as well as any other proposal to keep them out of the wrong hands. This is not an immediate or comprehensive solution to the problem of mass murders, but it seems a logical component in a multifaceted approach to prevent another Newtown.


Since that writing, several similar shootings have occurred. I will admit that I have not supported or voted for you, and your recent conduct during the Planned Parenthood hearing was rude, condescending, and in the end, embarrassing for you. However, since you are in fact my representative, I would appreciate your thoughtful response to my ideas.

Sincerely,

Jon Middleton MD

We used to chase jacks through the fields on our dirt bikes after school.

Two bikes squeeze together at 40 or 45 mph on one and your laughing so hard ya can't even kick him.

They can cut and turn 90 degrees at full speed. Like nothing else I've ever seen.

We'd run one till he's panting so hard he just lays down.
Then we'd go flush up the next one.

Paddler just gave you Utah boys a heads up. Counter his reply with a 10-1 against response and he should receive a beat around the bush reply that will mean nothing when it comes time to vote.

There is an advantage to having the enemy pissing inside the tent in that you know who they are.

Thanks Doc, appreciate the advance warning.

Don't flatter yourself, I don't think you would enjoy my company any more than I would yours. I don't know how you made it through medical school with your selective reading skills. Of course it is bravado, unless you would really like me to be bitch slap you...

Dear Dr.,

You best be ready when the democrats rise up and want to turn confiscate your $45,000 shotgun.

You never responded to the FACTS about the use of shotguns to commit murders, in many states more than all rifles including those with and without detachable mags. Now that you know the facts and are "responsible," please go turn it into the local Democratic Gestapo office.

Very well done sir. Sadly, I am afraid the efficacy of your ideas will be lost on most here, and given the recent sophomoric antics of Congressman Chaffetz, likely him as well.

Too bad, Shrap, looks like you're just another keyboard hero. You blew your chance at credibility. Come on down, I was serious.

You aren't so smart. You are wrong from the very first paragraph. Everything else that follows is based on 2 false premises in your 1st paragraph.

#1 mental illness was not required. Scientists who study such things will tell you that there are lots of mass murders committed by sane people. You need look no further than Islamic homicide bombings to see this.

#2 "Advanced weaponry" isn't necessary either. This has been illustrated time and again throughout history. People did a lot of killing before powder was ever invented. If you want a more modern example, the Hutu slaughter of Tutsis in Rwanda was mostly carried out with machetes.

This shows your main problem - you think you are the smartest person in the room and you have an answer that the World can't work around to produce mayhem when it wants to. You may very well be the smartest guy in the room, but the collective intelligence of the population will defeat whatever statist "solutions" you come up with.

You are a living example of the hubris of the scribes and are equally as contemptible as the scribes.

What do you think of the details of my proposal, Eric? Any suggestions for improvements? I tried to analyze the relevant factors and act in a surgical way. It should help prevent these shootings without unduly impacting responsible gun owners.

At least Chaffetz is in receipt of my thoughts so it's now part of the public record. He's not a statesman, he's just another grandstanding politician. I'll probably get some form letter response by a staffer which will include a request for financial support. But, if he doesn't respond in a meaningful way, the blood from the next mass shooting will be on his hands just as it is on the NRA's.

I did you stupid fugk. Pay attention.




Dave

No, it will be on people like you who have beaten down everyone into drooling cowards afraid to stand up, act like men and expect them to fight back.

Standing by for your thoughts on shotguns being used to commit murder more than rifles in many states.

Your comprehension skills are worse than your selective reading skills. It isn't my credibility in question here, it is yours. Even a loser like me has standards and you don't meet them...

so you like dick as well...

Your suggestion that certain weapons be heavily taxed shows a deep-seated elitism and disdain for the poor.

Since your key proposal seems to be centered around the re-classification of firearms, I'll ask this:

How do the records checks performed on an individual purchasing an NFA classified firearm differ from the checks performed on an individual that is purchasing a non-NFA classified firearm?




Travis

My guess is that paddler is atheist too.

No, he worships two things - money and himself.

Patient Reviews:

Dr. Jon A Middleton MD

Primary Care Doctor, Family Practitioner
29 years of experience

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Jon_Middleton/reviews

And another patient review here:

http://www.healthgrades.com/physici...b=patient-ratings&scrollTo=TopOfMain




Aaaaaaand a dick smoker.
And extraordinaire...

Laughin'....

About sums that up.



Travis

WOW !

Just a grown up version of that rich kid in everyone's neighborhood that had all the cool toys, but no one could stand to play with his punk a$s.

Patient Reviews (from the you can't make this chit up dept):


* "Friendly in a demeaning way that leaves you a little speechless."

* "Rude, demeaning, and maybe a perv"

* "Has some real personal issues."

* "This guy really should not be a doctor."

The proposal throws a bone to the 2A faction in that it does't ban the firearms in question, while placating the wailing of the Left to "do something....anything...even if it won't work".

Someone bent on committing a mass shooting neither knows nor cares that he/she is prohibited from buying/owning the firearm in question. They will not have read the law. If they are that far off the deep end they will acquire it illegally,steal it, borrow it....whatever.One way or another they will get their hands on it.

Of course they may have no prior history of mental illness, in which case, they would not be prohibited from owning it in the first place,assuming they can pass the gauntlet of red tape.

Barring all of this, they take one of those fixed magazine firearms, "suitable for sporting purposes" (whatever the hell that means but once again subject to arbitrary definition and interpretation by another bunch of bureaucrats) ,or steal a $40k shotgun from somewhere in Utah, and execute a bunch of people in an Oregon classroom because they are the only one in the room with a gun.

Then we are back to regulating $40k shotguns.


As to the letter,you ask Representative Chaffetz to seriously consider your proposal,then tell him that (a) you didn't vote for him; (b)that he's rude and condescending (an [bleep] basically) ,and beat up on him over Planned Parenthood.

Great diplomacy.Admirable people skills and powers of persuasion.

If I were Chaffetz I would ignore the letter.


See what I mean about (some) doctors?

muscular pain show details
by vbher on Jan 20th, 2015

He is no very good with peaple, wish he was more polite
Mark as Helpful | 1 person found this helpful
Report Abuse



What just happened? show details
Feb 21st, 2014

I also went to the instacare and saw Dr Middleton. I informed him I have had bronchitis several times and had asthma. That I had very bad congestion for a few months and now had a cough for 2 weeks that wasnt going away. Also that my chest ached from all the coughing. He lectured me about the fact that I dont have pneumonia, even though I never mentioned that or even thought that. He then listened to my lungs for all of two seconds. He told me yeah its probably bronchitis again and gave me a prescription for naproxen saying it would help with my cough and chest pain. I did not know what this medicine was at the time, but since found out it is the equivalent of Midol! It has no clinical indications for treatment of cough and might even cause a cough! Needless to say it has not helped me at all! I feel like calling and complaining, but I am sure it wouldnt make a difference. This man should not be a doctor! Not only does he have no bedside manner (he is just plain rude), but he also doesnt seem to know what he is doing!
Mark as Helpful | 3 people found this helpful
Report Abuse



I can't believe I just paid for that visit show details
by Sick on Jan 17th, 2014

Friendly in a demeaning way that leaves you a little speechless. I was told I "just have bronchitis", and even though I can't breath and already have asthma, he would not prescribe an inhaler. I was asked if I have any medical conditions and when I said none that I know of. Dr said "well don't go looking for them". I have a $1,300 deductible, really have better places to blow money at than an instacare with a doctor who makes me feel like I'm ridiculous for coming in and assumes if I just drank more fluids & and tried to be as fit as him I would be fine. I really have no need to fake a burning chest, body aches and bad cough... and blow $200? For a visit that I left feeling worse about & still can't breath. This guy really should not be a doctor. He has no compassion and comes off judgmental. He would do better in the collections department demeaning people who don't pay their bills. I am normally not one to write bad reviews, but I actually had a pretty bad visit with him last year as well when I went in bec I was having a tough time breathing & thought it could be an allergic reaction. Will never go back to this location. Don't waste your money or your insurance carriers money.
Mark as Helpful | 4 people found this helpful
Report Abuse



Rude, demeaning, and maybe a perv. show details
Apr 29th, 2013

I went to doctor Middleton for severe abdominal pains through Instacare. Just as Stu M. has stated, I was demeaned and made to feel VERY uncomfortable around this doctor. He behaved as if I was arguing against everything he said-though I wasnt saying a word! I was simply nodding and listening. I was not instructed to sit back up after he did his "pressing" over my abdomen to check for god-knows what whilst in a smock. He continued during the majority of my consultation to touch and grab my entire stomach area, even getting a bit too close to the breasts... I was so severely uncomfortable that I didnt know what to say or do so I eventually just sat up of my own accord. I was given a LECTURE on how I did not have any ulcers, and that the tests werent worth his time and was issued a prescription for irritable bowel syndrome. So far this medicine has only been a super-tum, making it easier to have taco bell. After he left (without any instruction on whether to return to reception or anything!) my husband, who had been sitting in said that he felt uncomfortable with his 'prodding.' So I know it wasnt just me! I was given no information about the prescription I was issued such as lifestyle changes etc. So I ended up calling before pick-up. When doing this I decided to inform the head nurse of my discomfort and ill-treatment and asked her to make the appropriate person aware of this. Im sure she did no such thing. Ill be seeing Doctor Moore for a second opinion.
Mark as Helpful | 5 people found this helpful
Report Abuse



show details
Jun 4th, 2012

-Overall experience was excellent. Dr. was very knowledgeable and friendly. I would recommend him! He did a great job!
Mark as Helpful
Report Abuse



show details
Jan 27th, 2012

Has some real personal issues.
Mark as Helpful | 5 people found this helpful
Report Abuse
Next: Credentials
The Vitals website is provided for your informational use only. Nothing contained or offered by, on or through Vitals should be construed as medical advice or relied upon for medical diagnosis or treatment. Vitals does not recommend or endorse any particular healthcare provider whose information or ratings appear on this website. We encourage you to read our full Terms of Service.
Jon A Middleton, MD

Is this you? Claim profile
Home > Find a Primary Care Doctor > UT > Salt Lake City Primary Care Doctors > Dr. Jon Middleton, MD > Patient Reviews
Awards & Pr

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Jon_Middleton/reviews#ixzz3o6EBNZzO

Wow what a POS "doctor" taking advantage of vulnerable women. Stands to reason he's an obongo supporter. Without obongo care he'd likely be brought up on charges.

Jon Middleton you are a POS.

Even tho I started this thread....to bring this AHole to the attention of the rest of the campfire...

does this clown really deserve, 36 pages of attention and still counting?

he can be summed up in the old Hillbilly Adage " he's 10 pounds of dog schitt in a one pound bag.."

and we don't need to waste our time debating that with him for 36 pages, do we?

but hey, follow your 'conscience' boys...( did I spell that right?) one of those words the spelling always evades me.... maybe it wouldn't if I had an AWESOME home theatre...

Violating my own post above...

this patient review said it all:

This man should not be a doctor! Not only does he have no bedside manner (he is just plain rude), but he also doesnt seem to know what he is doing!

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Jon_Middleton/reviews#ixzz3o6FrYR6l


From a person who paid good money for his opinion....

ya can't make this stuff up...

another good one:

Friendly in a demeaning way that leaves you a little speechless. I was told I "just have bronchitis", and even though I can't breath and already have asthma, he would not prescribe an inhaler. I was asked if I have any medical conditions and when I said none that I know of. Dr said "well don't go looking for them". I have a $1,300 deductible, really have better places to blow money at than an instacare with a doctor who makes me feel like I'm ridiculous for coming in and assumes if I just drank more fluids & and tried to be as fit as him I would be fine. I really have no need to fake a burning chest, body aches and bad cough... and blow $200? For a visit that I left feeling worse about & still can't breath. This guy really should not be a doctor. He has no compassion and comes off judgmental. He would do better in the collections department demeaning people who don't pay their bills. I am normally not one to write bad reviews, but I actually had a pretty bad visit with him last year as well when I went in bec I was having a tough time breathing & thought it could be an allergic reaction. Will never go back to this location. Don't waste your money or your insurance carriers money.

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Jon_Middleton/reviews#ixzz3o6Gwj32j


paid for that stereo system in his Home Theatre, by ripping people off... sounds like a thief to me...

heck, Shrap beat me to it by 58 seconds... on well, deserves repeating anyway...

Well, I didn't vote for him. He's my representative through gerrymandering. They chopped up Salt Lake City so as to ensure no Democrat stands a chance to get elected. Jason needs to hear that his antics aren't appreciated by his more rational constituents. He spouts red meat crap, but comes off poorly. The expression on his face when he was called on his phony slide was priceless. We'll have a new slogan during our next election, "ABC, Anybody But Chaffetz".

and some things are just short and sweet... but this sums up what many of us have seen here...




Has some real personal issues


No Scheiss....

I have seen the enemy and it's not always a raghead....

1.4

10 responses

Dr. Middleton's Office & Staff
Ease of scheduling urgent appointments
10 responses
Office environment, cleanliness, comfort, etc.
10 responses
Staff friendliness and courteousness
10 responses
Total wait time (waiting & exam rooms)

10 – 15 minutes
10 responses
Experience with Dr. Middleton
Level of trust in provider's decisions
10 responses
How well provider explains medical condition(s)
10 responses
How well provider listens and answers questions
10 responses
Spends appropriate amount of time with patients
10 responses
How was your experience with Dr. Middleton?

Provide feedback so others can make an informed decision.
Take the Survey



1.4 out of 5?????

well guess that explains a lot also....

of course working in the medical field, particularly in Cardiology Products, and also working in Hospitals in my younger years... I've met thousands of Doctors.... some are great guys, exampled by forum member Doc Rocket... and then we have Paddler...egotistical self centered pricks...

the type that never went into medicine to help their fellow man... they just went into it for the money... fueled by greed, and it shows in the reviews given by his patients...

guess he's an ass, in and out of the office...

Thanks again, and again I doubt if you will receive any constructive rebuttal. Then when it is the truth that does become difficult.

Whose hands would the blood be on when his proposal proves it doesn't work? Hmmmmm

Maybe he should call someone a racist to appeal to voters like you.

The medical field is more than peppered with Docs just like Middleton here....

we had one locally, who had a reputation for lecturing patients and talking down to them...he did that to me, when I had to go to the clinic...

He shut up and left the room when I finally told him if he didn't STFU, and quit upsetting my wife, I was going to put him thru the wall....

I use to have to ask not to be stuck with him when I went to the Clinic...after that instance, I didn't have to ask anymore, because he told the management he didn't want to treat me any more when I came into the clinic... worked out for both of us..

but with enough complaints, this doctor was finally fired....

and went back home to Utah....

gee,, where is Middleton from Again??? maybe he and Hoffman were related....

The first time I had this local guy, he asked did I own firearms and hunt, and then asked if I was a veteran... then promptly tells me he doesn't like people who think they need to own guns and didn't like Military veterans either.. they are usually mentally unstable... First visit with the guy....

went downhill after that...

Education:


Education & Training
Medical School

David Geffen School Of Medicine At UCLA, University Of California, Los Angeles
Graduated in 1982




UCLA????

Naw, doesn't show a bit....

Paddler's are what get Obamas elected.




Travis

Has some real personal issues.

Let's try again.



Travis

Gee.... for somebody that nobody likes very well, you sure give him a lot of press.

Jus Say'n

W. Bill

And I implied Paddler has no heart.
More likely he has no soul.
A truly pathetic representation of the medical profession.
I wish I could be embarrassed for him. No, he made his bed,
and wondering here if he drinks heavily in it,
so he can sleep at night....

We should take a page out of the liberal playboy with Ole paddler here. See if he has a yelp page and absolutely bombard it with negative reports and no hope his life turns to shambles...suiting rewards for a traitorous coward

Okay, here are a few questions for y'all. No googling, just answer off the top of your heads:

1) What percentage of acute bronchitis is bacterial?

2) What percentage of patients who go to the doctor get an antibiotic prescription for bronchitis, and why?

3) What percentage of acute sinusitis is bacterial vs viral?

4) What percentage of patients who go to the doctor for sinusitis get an antibiotic, and why?

5) What percentage of azithromycin prescriptions are appropriate?

Class is now in session.

As a Registered Nurse for over 37 years, I would not lend you a dime nor dignify your stupid little game of Who's smarter...

What's this now....your 5th bottle today? Eat some chips with it.

But you can keep your doctor, if you want.

If you don't already know this you really are a quack, then to ask Campfire members to help you out, what a gem you are...

I like your style

I'm fascinated by his psychopathy. The guy is a case study.

WOW! you are cool and so smart. You seem somewhat insecure to come on this board and try to show folks how smart/dumb you really are. Kind of sad really. Time to get a life..

Answers:

1) None

2) Less than none.

Any questions?

Guys, its kinda hard to get fired by an Urgent Care clinic.
But some near guarranteed ways are drug and alcohol addiction, verified inappropriate sexual contact with a patient, revocation or suspension of medical license....
Some where in there was a very bad boy to get booted from this kind of corporate business.

Dr Middleton- Do discriminate? I mean do you inappropriately touch your male patients too? Or just females?

He worked at urgentcare....I wouldn't let them examine a dead rat

So, nobody knows? Funny. There are more questions to come, but you have to answer these first.