I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
It matters not what I would have wanted. I hunt within the means of the rifle I am carrying. If things are not right, I move on and hunt some more. Has happened more than a few times even when I was toting a thumper.
Shot a lot of black bears and seen plenty more die. Never seen one that a well placed 270 couldn't flatline. Bigger is nice, but black bears die easy.
Where I hunt the trees and animals are most certainly real, and if the shot isn't perfect, I pass or get closer. Sure have passed on a lot of opportunities, but on the other hand I've also never lost a big game animal I've shot at.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What? You're going with the long brass Brad! I was thinking .308 or 7-08 would work just fine but nothing wrong with a firebreather if that's what you what to shoot.
Very nice bear no matter what you shoot it with. Congrats!
And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
Bears are not deer that flush and run after holding in tight cover as you approach. The hunting approach you take, to sit and wait them out, is the same one I take. No rushed shots at running game are typical in that scenario. Shot placement shouldn't be an issue. Bears usually lumber around fairly slowly, looking for food and such and working the wind carefully.
If I was worried about lengthwise shooting one, I'd probably shoot only Barnes bullets, although I don't think they're necessary, they might be good insurance. I get your concern for the extra energy of the large cartridge on a big bear at long range. It's like any game, the biggest specimens have an extra spark and will to live which may carry them a few more yards after a fatal hit, but they most certainly are going to go down just the same, 270 or 340, if a well placed and well constructed bullet are used. All that said, it's REALLY nice to anchor them in their tracks rather than risk a runaway. I think of it like this- It doesn't have to be shot and live to be a failed hunt it only has to be shot and live long enough to increase the risk of you not being able to track it to where it dies.
I say pound 'em hard, especially the biggest ones at long range.
Fascinating to me,that someone would extoll the "virtues" of this Goat [bleep] and trump the chambering,boolit or placement...let alone anything else?
On the brightside however,it only took 2 day for the Bear to die, only 2 guys had to shoot at it,they only used as a minimum 2 different firearms and when the dust settled...the "VERY large" victim was only 2-inches and change from making The Book.
Should be a Country Song: "I Got Half My Bear In Two Days Of Shooting".(grin)
'ball, would LOVE to see your version of a "Big One".
Laffin'!
Too bad it wasn't a chambering the OP could shoot well,as he woulda got a whole Bear,less fanfare. Though it wouldn't diminish rubs,nor stretch a skull.
Hint.
Better song: "I Got Halfa Bear Without Much Hair And The Skull Size Just Ain't There".
What? You're going with the long brass Brad! I was thinking .308 or 7-08 would work just fine but nothing wrong with a firebreather if that's what you what to shoot.
Very nice bear no matter what you shoot it with. Congrats!
Just proposing the most common of Western Cartridges, not saying I'd have used it.
The 308 would have been my choice cause that's what I use, but a 257 rob, 260, 7-08... heck, anything within reason works on black bears.
I just wonder if the OP thinks that a 260 Rem with 130gr Sirrocco's is "little". You know the combination another poster used to kill a bigger, browner bear...
Sam- You're predictions are uncanny! We should go to Vegas.
Wonder how many more times he'll post this story or links to it?
Full confession, here, a couple of years ago I posted a story here of a bear that I shot at with a 357 and never recovered. It was posted as "I f'ked up and I am ashamed" type of story. No white knight am I, fer sure. Safariman takes a shot at bear in dense cover near dusk, and leaves a wounded bear in the hills over night and then posts a hero story about himself and a rant about how great his cartridge choice is. If there are bragging rights here anywhere, I don't see them. To my feeble mind, this is a perfect example of the WRONG reason to use large cartridges- It promotes the idea "Well, all I hafta do is get one inum cuz I gotta a 338 Testosteroney Magnum". And that leads to exactly what happened here, a wounded animal left in the hills, one that they just happened to find. Sorry, I don't rant on here often but the idea of bragging on leaving an animal wounded in the hills all night bugged me.
Fascinating to me,that someone would extoll the "virtues" of this Goat [bleep] and trump the chambering,boolit or placement...let alone anything else?
On the brightside however,it only took 2 day for the Bear to die, only 2 guys had to shoot at it,they only used as a minimum 2 different firearms and when the dust settled...the "VERY large" victim was only 2-inches and change from making The Book.
Full confession, here, a couple of years ago I posted a story here of a bear that I shot at with a 357 and never recovered. It was posted as "I f'ked up and I am ashamed" type of story. No white knight am I, fer sure. Safariman takes a shot at bear in dense cover near dusk, and leaves a wounded bear in the hills over night and then posts a hero story about himself and a rant about how great his cartridge choice is. If there are bragging rights here anywhere, I don't see them. To my feeble mind, this is a perfect example of the WRONG reason to use large cartridges- It promotes the idea "Well, all I hafta do is get one inum cuz I gotta a 338 Testosteroney Magnum". And that leads to exactly what happened here, a wounded animal left in the hills, one that they just happened to find. Sorry, I don't rant on here often but the idea of bragging on leaving an animal wounded in the hills all night and then bragging on it bugged me.
And, by the way, Scenarshooter killed bigger bear, a grizzly, with a smaller cartridge, a 260, and he didn't have to come back in the morning to finish it off. But, then, all evidence points to the fact that he can shoot and knows shot placement.
And, by the way, Scenarshooter killed bigger bear, a grizzly, with a smaller cartridge, a 260, and he didn't have to come back in the morning to finish it off. But, then, all evidence points to the fact that he can shoot and knows shot placement.
The only Bear i have killed was a Black Bear in Canada at around 100 yards and it was taken with my 280 AI and the Speer 160 gr Hot Core and it dropped right there . Bullet went in one shoulder and out the other, so don't know retained weight of bullet, but it worked and no other bullet regardless of cal would have done better.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet
Sounds to me like you need to start carrying one of those, if it will keep you from taking bullchit shots that cause animals to suffer.
Originally Posted by safariman
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
There isn't a rifle on the planet that would have made me take that shot.
Originally Posted by safariman
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
Real hunters make selective shots, Mark. I'm honestly ashamed that you call yourself a hunter after reading about this encounter and your perspective of it. You should be very disappointed in yourself.
Bear having to be finished off the next morning is something to be proud of? Only animals that deserve to suffer like that all night are some humans....
We did, as a group, a fair amount of bear hunting in Maine, bumped into others along the way in NH and Vermont.
The two longest trailing jobs we had were from a 257 Robert with 115 NPT,and a 340 Weatherby with 210 NPT. In neither case was it a problem with the bullets, or the cartridges. In both cases, placement was a bit too far back to be ideal.This was another chapter in the same old lesson that kept repeating itself.
I have seen a pretty fair amount of game killed with magnum cartridges from 30 caliber and "up",and killed them myself. They are capable of producing some very dramatic kills. I have noticed that this occurs only when bullets from them land in the right place.This pretty boring news,but I have found it to be true.
I think it's silly to deliberately use a small cartridge on a large animal to prove a point....I also think it's equally silly to use a big cartridge under the mistaken notion that sheer power will make up for sloppy and indifferent bullet placement. Generally it does't work.
So Bob are you saying that no matter what the cartridge, short of a 120mm from a M1 tank, that placement matters? I can hear the mob gathering now to string you up!
Good reason to use the B29, bullet just has to be near a game animal to knock it stone cold dead...
Full confession, here, a couple of years ago I posted a story here of a bear that I shot at with a 357 and never recovered. It was posted as "I f'ked up and I am ashamed" type of story. No white knight am I, fer sure. Safariman takes a shot at bear in dense cover near dusk, and leaves a wounded bear in the hills over night and then posts a hero story about himself and a rant about how great his cartridge choice is. If there are bragging rights here anywhere, I don't see them. To my feeble mind, this is a perfect example of the WRONG reason to use large cartridges- It promotes the idea "Well, all I hafta do is get one inum cuz I gotta a 338 Testosteroney Magnum". And that leads to exactly what happened here, a wounded animal left in the hills, one that they just happened to find. Sorry, I don't rant on here often but the idea of bragging on leaving an animal wounded in the hills all night and then bragging on it bugged me.
Fred
BINGO!
SKane & Royce; Top of the morning to both of my cyber friends this so far sunny but cool April morning.
While I'm reluctant to comment much further on this matter, I'll only say from a smattering of experience with black bears - I guess I've shot 3 myself and cut and wrapped another 12-15 maybe - that they are both relatively easy to kill if a good bullet is well placed and easy to lose if it's not.
I was pleased to read the bear in the story was found and killed eventually though.
Personally if they do their part I've shot my last black bear as I don't care for them as table fare - again personal taste only.
I pack a bear tag every fall in case one of the locals doesn't understand my position in a debate - if it comes to that.
This guy isn't a Boxer sized bear, but he's pretty good by Okanagan standards. I bumped into him in the same spot for 4 years running, but he always showed good manners and left when asked to do so.
Anyway Scott and Fred, I really just wanted to say hello to you both this morning and that I believe we're on the same page in this instance. Have a good remainder of the week gentlemen.
Big cartridges produce this line of thinking. I saw a guy on a PA hunting forum who said he killed his 460 pound bear with a Texas heart shot. He said he knew he could kill it because he used a 375 Weatherby. I think its unethical but thats me.
Dwayne Top of the morning back at ya! Getting the old camper ready for when the weather turns warm to head north, I am getting homesick for Chilko Lake/Bella Coola area. My satellite radio station that plays Bluegrass was broadcasting from near Williams Lake this weekend, and that didn't help.
During the time I touched off the round and it arrived on site, the bear had moved forward some and I had hit, and busted up, his hips and furthest rearward verterbrae. So, the bear was well anchored, but still needed a finishing shot from Jims gun.
Here's my question: How does a "well-anchored" bear evade detection after leaving a blood trail and being searched for by two different people?
BobinNH Hope you are having a good year and that you have lots of good hunts planned this year. Appropriate cartridge, good bullet, correct placement, why make it more complicated than that?
So Bob are you saying that no matter what the cartridge, short of a 120mm from a M1 tank, that placement matters? I can hear the mob gathering now to string you up!
Shooting a bear in the ass is the reasoning behind use enough gun?
When I see guys at the range pull out their 15 pound hunting rigs with 30x scopes and burn 100 grains of powder trying to hit the 300 yard plate with their muzzle brakes, this is how I picture their hunts turning out.
Anyway Scott and Fred, I really just wanted to say hello to you both this morning and that I believe we're on the same page in this instance. Dwayne
And a pleasant morn' to you too, my friend! I think we're all in agreement that "stuff happens" when hunting. I'm generally not a fan of highlighting/illustrating the bad unless there is opportunity for others to learn from it.
Unfortunately, what's been learned here is the further cementing of the OP's daily self-aggrandizing delusions of not seeing the forest through the trees.
Unfortunately, what's been learned here is the further cementing of the OP's daily self-aggrandizing delusions of not seeing the forest through the trees.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
For what it is worth, I totally dig your do rag Elk photo. Bad to the bone, dude!
I just caught the part about moving to Texas. To have 1) Been to Africa more than once 2) lived, hunted etc. in both MT AND Texas at different times.... pretty cool.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Holy schit...
I haven't laughed that hard since my last April Fool's prank.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Yep. He really covered himself with glory. Good thing he was using a 340 Tyrannosaur!
Northbound Bear,hit in his South end(cheerio)...375H&H AI/270FS and that boolit is still going for all I know. It laced him treelength and exited the brisket. I was on the trigger and placement was a given(I've seen me shoot).
'Course,I'd of had ZERO qualm lacing him the opposite direction,as the results woulda been the same...other than momentum carried him a few yards on the poke I happily took.
Walked up,laced him through shoulders to remove all wiggle and dat was it.
Don't eat the stinky ones, go for a young sow. Barbecue the back straps, use a sweet-ish sauce. We served some to guests who ate almost no meat, and they loved it.
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums.
I know a guy that killed a brown bear with a 225gr copper bullet screaming along at a whopping 2650FPS. From the story, IIRC, it pinned the bear in place - no tracking.
Big, silly name on/or need for a magnum rifle? Not that guy, not on THAT hunt.
I don't know what is better, the OP's inability to handle a big gun, or dragging an animal prized for its hide through the dirt, rocks and bushes with a winch.
I don't know what is better, the OP's inability to handle a big gun, or dragging an animal prized for its hide through the dirt, rocks and bushes with a winch.
I don't know what is better, the OP's inability to handle a big gun, or dragging an animal prized for its hide through the dirt, rocks and bushes with a winch.
And a chain around the neck....
Hey now, it's not just about the hide, you've gotta tenderize the meat, too.
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums.
I know a guy that killed a brown bear with a 225gr copper bullet screaming along at a whopping 2650FPS. From the story, IIRC, it pinned the bear in place - no tracking.
Big, silly name on/or need for a magnum rifle? Not that guy, not on THAT hunt.
Pretty sure I have heard about that guy too. Name is Scott Kane or something like that? Hunted with some guy named Steve Johnson...?
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
Yeah. I would. Lots more where this came from in the Scenar thread including bull elk MUCH bigger than your bear (which is a dandy, BTW). And all with a 'target' bullet. But whatever.
And in case anyone missed it...
.308 with ONE SHOT and no suffering. So much for 'enough gun'...
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
530 meters broadside 155gr scenar.
450 meters with same bullet and same exact result.
I've got a pal who uses the 155's out of his .30/.338 at 3200+ they work for him too.
I believe you make a great point,in that there ain't a chambering "big" enough,to turn a schit poke by a schit shot,into sumptin' it ain't.
Funny how it actually works.
'gwe,
Sissy always could mug a camera.
Thank SuperKchunt for traipsing along on all the Adventures and using her mad photo skeelz to document same.
Laffin'!
SK',
I've an aged Hornet from a Sourdough,that's killed more Brownies than you could Imagine.
Hell...more than Bigsqueeze could Imagine.
Laffin'!
'223,
Mebbe if one roots rubs around in enough dirt...they get "better"?!?
Laffin'!
aalf,
That is a Tactical Tow Device...not a "chain".
BIG difference and you'll do well to correct in deference to those marked differences!
Laffin'!
'flave,
Nawwwwwww...it's quite a [bleep] bit better than that.(grin)
Mild Bill,
I don't get to shoot as much as you,or "do" nearly as much...as I'm fraught with doing a whole [bleep] of a lot more than you could Imagine or Pretend.
100 grainer DRT,to really get your Do Nothing Day Dreaming Kchunt,Whining a bit more. Apologizin' in advance,for it's magnitude too. My bad. Laffin'!
Perhaps wax eloquent some more,on all the things you almost did,all the wares you almost did it with and all the places you almost did 'em.
Laffin'!
Tanner,
I've seen good boolits,in good places,do great thangs and the part of the puzzle which played the slightest role...was/is the headstamp.
Very few is worth a [bleep] with a Boomer,as this Thread poignantly reiterates,though obliviously.(grin)
I've noted, and often mentioned to others, that with all the rifles/chamberings you have/had I most often see your .223 Montucky in tow.
I seem to recall something about 'you can't beat light done right' and 'boolits matter more than headstamps'. Just can't recall where I heard that....
The irony is that it's proved by all the posts of kills made with 'inadequate' calipers/chamberings AND by the stories of schitty results with those who use 'enough gun'!
Guess I'll stick with my itty bitty inadequate .223 and un-suxed .308 with Scenars...
Boxer, Here I was fixing to brag about my UBER 105 Max phoucing up an Idaho dink @ 350. I near went to JeffO mode of stomp in' after you and sister ruined my life.
P.S. I didn't have to call out a search party either. Good thing. There were no friends to call. Or cable.
I've killed four...two with a bow, flinging 125gr thunderhead...both piled up real quick.
The other two were rifle kills....280/139 Hornie, '06/150 Grand slam.
Both bullets are still going....
Black bears are not hard to kill.
Guys shoot 600-700lb'rs in Pa, every year with .308's, .243's, shooting corelokts etc...
Tony
Yeah and guys in PA here wound plenty too because of those Core-Lokts. I've been on plenty of other guys blood trails in bear season, a number of which ended with no bear at the other end. I've noticed a trend during this time. And that is that guys love to use light for caliber bullets, Core-Lokts and Power shoks, and shoot bear in the shoulder. If guys wouldve just bought some Partitions I think more of them would have had bear rugs but Core-Lokts are "good enough" or so the thinking goes. Keep in mind I'm talking about bear drives here. Usually about 30 yard shots and usually on the move. Also most of the "marksmen" in question sighted in their rifles the day before bear season and that was the first they fired it since last year. Recipe for disaster. Still I think controlled expansion bullets would have upped the percentages.
We did, as a group, a fair amount of bear hunting in Maine, bumped into others along the way in NH and Vermont.
The two longest trailing jobs we had were from a 257 Robert with 115 NPT,and a 340 Weatherby with 210 NPT. In neither case was it a problem with the bullets, or the cartridges. In both cases, placement was a bit too far back to be ideal.This was another chapter in the same old lesson that kept repeating itself.
I have seen a pretty fair amount of game killed with magnum cartridges from 30 caliber and "up",and killed them myself. They are capable of producing some very dramatic kills. I have noticed that this occurs only when bullets from them land in the right place.This pretty boring news,but I have found it to be true.
I think it's silly to deliberately use a small cartridge on a large animal to prove a point....I also think it's equally silly to use a big cartridge under the mistaken notion that sheer power will make up for sloppy and indifferent bullet placement. Generally it does't work.
Best post in reply to the op, in my opinion. I took a very large Blackie on Vancouver Island a few years back. Used a 338 Win Mag on that bear. I shot the 26th bear I stalked on that week-long hunt. He was showing signs of being a very old bear. Had a few teeth left. Squared 7', 20" skull.
I waited for that bear to turn broadside and shot him through the shoulders with a 225 grain IB over plenty of RL22. No tracking necessary. I know that 338 was not absolutely necessary. I could have killed that bear with much less gun. But I wanted to use that gun. Difference is, I would never have taken a shot at the South end of a North-bound bear-- even with a gun that 'should' pull such a shot off. I've seen too many of those decisions go terribly wrong. Kinda like it did for the op.
Bears react with very little impression,to poor placement and will become traveling sons of bitches,at the very instant. In the Corral,the point is moot and in others...THE greatest concern.
My Corral,from yesterday. At least it ain't steep or wearing heavy vegetation.(grin)
Break bone and you own 'em,hit 4-Wheel Drive and schit gets ugly quick.
Hint.
Mojo,
I just might be sweet on a Montucky or two,that wears a .378" bolt face.
Withoutta doubt,I've seen more [bleep] up schit by guys gunning Boomers,than the truly FUN schit. I mean in non-lineal lightyear fashion. It's all about Placement and Boolits...end of story. The only thing funnier than Boomer round "count",would be an hourmeter reading from them couchbound kchunts.
Crunch bone and you're done...hit soft tissue and it's just startin'.
My Winch is an Arm Strong.(grin)
'slave,
Hopin' for an Energy Chart or sumptin' similar,myself.(grin)
Oh the whole Goat [bleep] train wreck of a mess,is a hoot,replete with the supposed 3-1/2+ tons of 5/8" cable in the bed of the truck,on a spool 'bout the size of a Halibut Reel. I mean..you'd think it'd take a spool wearing an 8" arbor,to be 'bout 36" in diameter and 48" wide to crowd 9200' or so aboard...but all this "fancy" schit is "new" to me.
Not that every Logger in the World,wouldn't love to be able to change roads with a haywire drum stashed in the glove box.(grin)
This schit is all sooooooooo [bleep] funny,that is IMPOSSIBLE to pick the funniest part.
Imagination and Pretend,is forces that shouldn't be slighted in their grandeur and it's always best...when folks is doing their BEST.
i wouldn't be bragging about a "hunt" like that. taking a 350 yd quartering away shot is foolish in my opinion. and the fact that it took 2 days and at least 2 shots to die is proof. that ain't hunting, its live target shooting. you seem to have judgement issues. stop bragging about being a dumbass too.
You're right..hit'm right, they don't go far, but that ain't new news.
That first bear you posted a pick of might have the biggest noggin I have ever seen on a blackie. The crease in his head looks like someone took a chainsaw to it...WTF..
Kinda funny a guy in rubber slippers beaching a boat and walking a hundred yards to kill a bear feeding on some lush grass. Boy that's HARDCORE! haha Then getting drunk and leaving his rifle in his boat all night in a puddle of salt water and proclaiming how tough the conditions are.... lol
Just giving ya chitt Larry. Nice critters,rifles,fishing gear and especially nice photography..
Elsewhere e OP claims he misjudged and didn't account for the bears movement (HTF do you NOT take that into account on a long shot). Regardless, if my calls are correct a bear walking at 3 mph perfectly perpendicular would've moved about a quarter of an inch during the bullets TOF. His bear was quartering so even less.
Always amazes me the people who can't do schit, think that schit can't be done. Or it's corollary-people who do schitty things,think every one else does, as well. This was obvious in the defenders of the OP's horrendous shot and story.
Been floggin' on Fixed [bleep] daily,for every R&R...since procurement. Haven't been able to shake a zero loose,nor make one not repeat and them is good thangs in my book. 5000rds+ of centerfire all told.
No Fixed [bleep] pictured and I'm thinkin' you's got Gold Dust cornfuzed with Goose Poop. Gold Dust is a 100% OEM Montucky,wearing a 6x42 and of course flings 162's. Goose Poop was a 8mm Whizzum when it left the Factory and was rebarreled wearing a PN S/S S/M 1-9" of like length/contour. It wears a 6x Fixed [bleep] and is quickly becoming Famous,rekindling Montucky 7 Whizzum Lust and selling the schit outta Fixed [bleep] to boot.
Gold Dust was my 1st Montucky 7 Whizzum(I've got 3 currently) and Sister swiped it,at a tender age. She's slammed 43" of Booner Skull and 15' of squared hide with it,in two pokes.
I reckon she'll be Sporting it again,here directly and I just might gun 'Poop.
Only have 7 Fixed [bleep] currently and reckon I'll score a couple/few more,if only in the interest of R&D.
Film at 11:00.(grin)
Shag,
I do very much enjoy The Paper Hat Brigade and their Day Dreaming Do Nothing Dumbfhukkery,especially when they get to flexin' their Imagination and Pretend. Funny how when it's all said an done,there's been a whole [bleep] of a lot more said...than done. Not that I'd wish to slight anyone their Imagination or Pretend. Laffin'!
In fairness,I ain't much fun to try and keep pace with.
Just sayin'.
Hint.
Laffin'!
'slave,
Fight the good fight!(grin)
Mojo,
It ain't ever been tough to cypher who shoots more than a smidge.(grin)
Though in fairness,Imagination and Pretend are all that many folks got.
I've noted, and often mentioned to others, that with all the rifles/chamberings you have/had I most often see your .223 Montucky in tow.
I seem to recall something about 'you can't beat light done right' and 'boolits matter more than headstamps'. Just can't recall where I heard that....
The irony is that it's proved by all the posts of kills made with 'inadequate' calipers/chamberings AND by the stories of schitty results with those who use 'enough gun'!
Guess I'll stick with my itty bitty inadequate .223 and un-suxed .308 with Scenars...
P.S. What kind of winch you got in your Tacoma???
Originally Posted by MojoHand
If I remember right, somewhere back in the archives one can find pics/info of Dober slaying a blackie with a .22-250. Clearly faked. Not on THAT hunt!
Mojo,
I've also noticed something here at the 'Fire... those that shoot the most, hunt the most, and kill the most don't shoot uber-anything. Funny because most every other forum would lead the casual observer to believe that an uber-something is needed to kill a prairie chicken.
I'm impressed that many here value shooting skill (and the practice needed to get there) along with time in the woods more than energy calcs or uber-chamberings. Shooting in volume, reloading, scouting, and hunting take time, a lot of time. Dwelling on foot-lbs, magnum cases, etc. seems more like a crutch for those that don't do the above.
You are correct. Ole Chuck Hawk may be full of schit on a lot of stuff but he's right when he says most hunters are way 'over gunned' (or 'over recoiled' to be more accurate).
I'm kinda glad the OP plastered this story on almost every forum. I'm gonna bookmark it and use as proof against every one of the dumbasses who claim that you need the 'bigger' calibers/chamberings for those 'less than perfect' shots they always seem to get during hunting and how they make a difference on 'less than optimal placement'. What a [bleep] joke.
Maybe my experience is unique but I find that shooting animals is the easiest damn part of the whole hunting experience. Locating and schlepping them out is the hard part...
The OP's story so reminded me of this cluster [bleep] I just had to share it with you guys. Another Uber mag with a Hubble on top at an 'estimated' 400 yards. W.T.F.
Since you bastids have been so hard on my large bore, uber fast bear wounder today, I have acquired a reamer to make the worlds greatest bear slaying rifle......... The .416 Gladiator Maximus. I see every shot in my scope. I am still the awesomest.
I will post this on numerous forms, to share my studlyness. You are welcome.
350 yards? I'd have taken the shot with my .257 Roberts and one of my 110g AccuBond loads. At that range they're still moving over 2500fps and carry almost 1600fpe.
That said, I would prefer something larger. My Ruger #1 in .280 Rem would do fine.
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
You are so [bleep] good at Whining,you don't even know you do it. Congratulations?!?
No need to reiterate your incredible cluelessness,that's hardly a "secret" either. Bless your heart.
Do feel free to wax eloquent,upon your version of the "best" of any "bounty" your Imagination allows you to Pretend to partake. Laffin'!
I'll feign my "surprise" that a camera is more than a whole bunch outta your tax "bracket". Laffin'! What do you and your Mom,do for a living again? Re-laffin'!
Mebbe Mom can catch your crossed-eyes and drool running down your chin,so you can proffer an "action" shot?!?
You poor,poor Day Dreaming Do Nothing Kchunt.
I'm crying I'm laughing so hard and forgot your pics!!!
Looking forward to your next Whine and more [bleep] Excuses.
Fair enough, the whole lot of you are the reincarnation of Daniel Boone...let's see how successful you are in this style of country.
You lot live in a hunting mecca and all you can do is piss at each other, now stop f_cking around and post some decent pictures for those of us less fortunate.
Now don't be too hard on the gals...they are simply doing the best they can,with what incredibly [bleep] little they have to work with. They are all Winners. Laffin'!
I'm not sure I've ever seen flat ground or barren landscapes.
Mean of you,to go swipin' Imagination and Pretend like that...as it's apt to steal all of their "bounty".
I hear,these drought conditions and withering vines...sure get old.
'Bout enough to make a guy wanna go Hunt with the OP or catch a Smelt with Shag.
Laffin'!
'slave,
I'm with ya',I'm just here to see "all" the stuff,that the "hard chargers" get to "do".
Kinda always wanted a camera to boot,but wouldn't know where to start and am hoping that Shag or his room mate(Mother),might care to share some of their well thought out expertise. Though no I'm not so certain,after Shag dropped the ball...I mean done her "best" and went FULL [bleep] Retard. She should watch Tropical Thunder again,so as to avoid that pitfall.
Laffin'!
DD,
Were the rifle not CRF...the results woulda been ugly.
I'm thinkin' it good for a couple/few Booners,some exemplary Chrome and more than a few WindowLicking cases of Imaginary Pretend Ignore...as an absolute minimum. Was busy tying up Riggin' last night,or I'd of fastened same to a beloved Filson Shelter Cloth Jacket with 15# PP and some flashy stitch work.
The OP's story so reminded me of this cluster [bleep] I just had to share it with you guys. Another Uber mag with a Hubble on top at an 'estimated' 400 yards. W.T.F.
Fair enough, the whole lot of you are the reincarnation of Daniel Boone...let's see how successful you are in this style of country.
You lot live in a hunting mecca and all you can do is piss at each other, now stop f_cking around and post some decent pictures for those of us less fortunate.
didn't read 1/2 the posts but a "little/non-magnum" would have done JUST fine on that bear.
My problem is people need to start hunting within their limits, just because your rifle carries the energy for 500 yards doesn't mean that you are ethically capable of making that shot at a live target that is moving when you have 0 back-up for finishing the animal off in a timely fashion
I'm not going to say that i've never lost a game animal, or every shot was perfect, but i've taken those lessons analyzed them and try not to repeat them. Your post seems as though your only problem with the shot was you didn't compensate for bear's forward movement but I think there are more things to reflect upon, once again not trying to rip you down but just thinking the internet is not the best place to brag about leaving an animal wounded overnight seems like great fodder for the non-hunters to use about how bad we all are when you goofed up with a poor decision on taking a shot which once again we have all done
My problem is people need to start hunting within their limits, just because your rifle carries the energy for 500 yards doesn't mean that you are ethically capable of making that shot at a live target that is moving when you have 0 back-up for finishing the animal off in a timely fashion
But, but, but..he had the Tyrannosaur. And, per always, he's awesome. The rest of us pups need to stay on the porch.
I don't think that Safariman was trying to hit the bear in the hips, nor was he saying that he is not a good enough rifleman--rather simply that the bear moved when he was shooting, so he hit it too far back.
My only observation is that a hip shot on a black bear could be made with most rifle using good bullets, and as such I disagree with the premise that a big magnum saved the day.
I think the saving grace was that he did hit the hips and broke the bear down, so that it couldn't get away with a lung shot only. I actually wonder how the story would have ended if the shot happened as originally planned, with the bullet angling up through the lungs from a steep raking angle. I could see that being a real rodeo.
That's the irony of it all. So many people think that an "uber-magnum" provides a certain margin of error for a shot. In this case, super-duper weight and super-duper speed on them boolits wasn't enough to cover the error.
As I said to Murphy on the AOD one time, how big a cartridge is necessary to accomodate an F'd up shot?
The problem for many is the "oh look at me - I'm an awesome hunter" attitude that comes across in the posts. it just doesn't add up thataway.
Nice bear, congrats, but if you do that again - don't post it.
As a wise sage on this forum likes to say, and repeat after me:
Placement>>>Bullet>>>Cartridge Good mantra, there.
The problem for many is the "oh look at me - I'm an awesome hunter" attitude that comes across in the posts. it just doesn't add up thataway.
I got a different slant from the yarn, namely that the original Campfire story was about a fellow that is having trouble getting around and his mate that had the decency to allow him to hunt on his land, the fluffed shot was added in as an "I fluffed this shot but I own my mistakes"...I found more focus on the part where JJHack was a good enough (read bloody terrific) friend to not only allow hunting but actually get off his backside and work to help a mate.
The winch is something I would have killed for when I was dragging roo carcases across the paddocks, particularly in irrigation.
And the piece on this thread I took to be a hackneyed attempt at a humourous swipe at the numerous premium projectile/small cartridge threads.
PS, "good God that hit" and "how the heck did that miss" shots happen, some people can own them and move on without feeling the need to dissemble.
(This thread has got boring so I am going into the kitchen to toast some bread and fry some bacon, mushrooms, zucchini on toast)
Stick, should I ever win Lotto I am going to make a point of visiting you and your family for some hunting and fishing...and to get you to show me some of that country you have around there.
I didn't (couldn't bring myself to) read the OP. I assumed, like every other post by/about him, that someone took one in the ass. Apparently this time it was a bear? I would bet that somewhere in the story is a reference to his pastor and/or christian beliefs and the standard health issues/misfortune he always touts.....
Stick, received confirmation from Chesebro today that my annie would soon be inbound. In the meantime, picked up a vintage 40x that not surprisingly shoots 10shots in the .2's at fifty. Ordered a 20 MOA rail and trying to decide between the fixed 16x and 20x now. I think a mickey is in order as well as a hack saw and a new crown. 26" makes the balance a clusterphuckk.
I don't think that Safariman was trying to hit the bear in the hips, nor was he saying that he is not a good enough rifleman--rather simply that the bear moved when he was shooting, so he hit it too far back.
My only observation is that a hip shot on a black bear could be made with most rifle using good bullets, and as such I disagree with the premise that a big magnum saved the day.
I think the saving grace was that he did hit the hips and broke the bear down, so that it couldn't get away with a lung shot only. I actually wonder how the story would have ended if the shot happened as originally planned, with the bullet angling up through the lungs from a steep raking angle. I could see that being a real rodeo.
Are you saying the bear wouldn't have died fairly quick if the bullet had went through the lungs? Granted, I've never shot a bear but I've busted lungs on a bunch of deer. They may go into 4-wheel drive as some say but I don't think one has ever lived more than a minute or so (at the outside) afterwards. Certain that none have required another shot, much less two the next morning.
Thanks for the feedback PG. Tanner seems to like his too. Haven't heard anything bad about them. Been thinking about one for a 6mm-06.
I'm thinking 6x Chicken for a 10/22. More utility as Boxer says, plus the lower mag probably doesn't hurt image quality. Think the Chese-shutz would do well with a 10x.
You prolly wouldn't much care for the extreme cold and harsh conditions.(grin) Minutes ago.
[bleep] POS CZ hung in purty good,despite the swirling wind and I rattled 3 clusters back to back,under 1/2" at 100. That with (2) flavors of 17gr boolits. The Flyin' Ashtrays are a hoot up close,but the V-Max steals the show in rapid fashion,down range.
For whatever reason POA/POI is same/same with both 17gr loads,at 100. Nice "problem" to have.(grin)
Hope my Eelektrik Bloo stock shows in the next coupla days,then this dog will be hung. Gots a better one coming.(grin)
I ain't ever seen anyone,have more fun than me.
'mountain,
Good move squeakin' in on the Faux MSR,there's gonna be some whining [bleep]...when the Slow Crowd figures it out,wayyyyyyyy too late.(grin) He's learning,as pricing has bumped twice,in rapid fashion.
I'd suffer a single shot 40X 22LR in a heavy filled A5,as a Giggles Rifle. I've neither the 16 or 20x Fixed [bleep],so couldn't comment in the firsthand,regarding their total erector travel. I can like the 10x purty good and once you delve past that many X's,lotsas schit gets hinky and it's easy to just say "no" and ring the bell at 10x or less. BT/DT.(grin)
Happiness is hacksawing a [bleep] brake offa sumptin' or ringin' the bell in balance/handling. I've lonnnggggggg been at ease,in performing that Surgery.
In an A5,I'd be thinkin' 20".
'CUBIC,
Bob makes very GOOD stuff and I've beat the schit outta a few,affixed solely with the (6) set screws in the top. Would prefer a hole or two D&T'd to assist the warm/fuzzy,but I ain't puked one yet.
I wish he made a 50MOA version,so as to get closer to using up all the inherent goody aboard a Fixed [bleep].
I'll be burning his ears(again).
'ham1,
21" from boltface to crown. It shoots well,but is a typical piece of [bleep] schit CZ,in that it's rougher than a cob. Trigger has been tweaked Yo' Style and I'm thinkin' about D&T'ing a creep remover,instead of PMTJ shims.
Reminds of a Salvage,in that they're roughshod quirky [bleep],that I'd not wanna bet my ass upon...in regards to feed/function,but it do shoot. Play Toy,not a Work Rifle.
The one I got coming,will Bitch Slap it silly and then some.(grin)
'284,
A minute of 4-Wheel Drive,will do The Tracker NO [bleep] favors.
Crush axles and nothing can get "weird".
Hint.
4th,
The 452 Hummer wearing the 25MOA DIP rail and a 6x Fixed [bleep] MilQuad,zero'd at 125yds,has exactly 24Mils of ele remaining the erector. With 17gr V-Max,that's the 700+ yard line. Add the 10 Mils in the reticle and that's the 825yd line.
Wind may play a factor.(grin) Though in fairness,the reticle will grant 380yds of 10mph full value wind holdoff,again with the 17gr 'Max. Just sayin'.
Sounds like the 17 is a wicked little rifle, and 24 mils leftover!? That just ain't fair... like an uber-rimfire! I'm surprised that it likes both varieties of bullets. The few Hummdingers I've shot had definite preferences although all were really accurate. Will be interesting to see if it does even better with the new stock.
I do appreciate the honest feedback on the corncob CZ, though you know the secret CZ whistle was blown? The CZ Army will be along here shortly
I'm going 6x for the 10/22 in Frankendork stock, and 10x for the 1407R. The 3-15x Chicken has been an interesting trial but its going away.
A minute of 4-Wheel Drive,will do The Tracker NO [bleep] favors.
Crush axles and nothing can get "weird".
Hint."
Agreed, but shooting an uber magnum that you can't shoot for [bleep] don't either.
I wouldv'e shot for the front shoulders to. Just sounded to me like he was saying the bear woulda been alive an angry if the lungs had been taken out.
Best post of the thread.
"Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
If an old flame nicknames a body part something dinosouarish.... Does that count? Hint.... Starts with a T and has a dash and last word rhymes with Rex... Hint. She was UBER fun.
I dunno what is going on at 'Flave Precision. Ever since I've seen this post, I have been trying to get ahold if that guy to request it be chambered in something dinosouarish. He has my deposit, but all I keep getting in the mail is empty beer boxes.
The problem for many is the "oh look at me - I'm an awesome hunter" attitude that comes across in the posts. it just doesn't add up thataway.
I got a different slant from the yarn, namely that the original Campfire story was about a fellow that is having trouble getting around and his mate that had the decency to allow him to hunt on his land, the fluffed shot was added in as an "I fluffed this shot but I own my mistakes"...I found more focus on the part where JJHack was a good enough (read bloody terrific) friend to not only allow hunting but actually get off his backside and work to help a mate.
The winch is something I would have killed for when I was dragging roo carcases across the paddocks, particularly in irrigation.
And the piece on this thread I took to be a hackneyed attempt at a humourous swipe at the numerous premium projectile/small cartridge threads.
PS, "good God that hit" and "how the heck did that miss" shots happen, some people can own them and move on without feeling the need to dissemble.
(This thread has got boring so I am going into the kitchen to toast some bread and fry some bacon, mushrooms, zucchini on toast)
You're mostly right. The part that got under my skin was "the uber mag saved the day", when it didn't even kill the bear. I've heard that story too many times from "magnum guys". Of course 30-06 guys can be just as bad. I have a relative who once shot a beautiful buck in the neck at 90 yards, because that was the only shot he had. He then went on to tell me "I wouldn't have wanted anything else in my hands but a .30-06 for that shot". I didn't even know what to say. A Hornet could've brought that buck down with that shot at that range. I also get a laugh everytime a 30-06 guy says "I wouldn't have killed that fill in the blank if I'd been using a .270".
I should probably own up about now to also owning a pretty Mauser in 7x57....
I think that I shall make that uber-superior rifle the center point of my next uber-big game adventure. This thing made 25 pages, maybe a good "ONLY a 7x57 Mauser!" story can rile up the good folks enough to get to 30!
I should probably own up about now to also owning a pretty Mauser in 7x57....
I think that I shall make that uber-superior rifle the center point of my next uber-big game adventure. This thing made 25 pages, maybe a good "ONLY a 7x57 Mauser!" story can rile up the good folks enough to get to 30!
I think that I shall make that uber-superior rifle the center point of my next uber-big game adventure. This thing made 25 pages, maybe a good "ONLY a 7x57 Mauser!" story can rile up the good folks enough to get to 30!
Sweet.... can't wait for the 'UBER-DEUCHE Chronicles'
We should team you with JeffO and Lee24... t'would be epic.... UBERTOOLS on Parade...
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
I see absolutely no instance or indication of where or how the caliber, powder charge, or bullet weight had anything to do with performance here. Any cartridge loaded with a good bullet (TSX, TTSX, Partition, A-Frame, etc.) from about .26" up on either the .308Winchester or .30-06 case would have provided comparably bad results with a hit through both hips. The bear would have still been down and still not been dead. The original shot taken would still have been well within range of those cartridges, too, so trajectory or power at target would not have been an issue.
There are a host of cartridges that would have provided equal performance with the same shot placement.
As to whether the shot would have been attempted had I a "lesser" cartridge or rifle in hand, the answer is an unequivocal "yes", and I would have certainly strived for better shot placement.
Dang it Poo-Bah, you're going to give the dudes here in Texas phuggin' ideas with that high fence feesh picture. Bad enough we have HF and haybales around every corner. Just a matter of time now until HF and "trophy fees" on fish.
Dang it Poo-Bah, you're going to give the dudes here in Texas phuggin' ideas with that high fence feesh picture. Bad enough we have HF and haybales around every corner. Just a matter of time now until HF and "trophy fees" on fish.
Laces are for those that cannot shed footware on the roll and light the afterburner. Sort of like physically impaired. Remember, the bear eats the slow guy even if shot in the ass.
Laces are for those that cannot shed footware on the roll and light the afterburner. Sort of like physically impaired. Remember, the bear eats the slow guy even if shot in the ass.
BD
A cop would have a better chance of catching me than a bear.
Yes [bleep], you are disturbed. Nice wart on your hand, you can have them removed you know?
A CavScout CWO pisses bigger than you. I'm sure he's just all concerned that you don't like his wart. Then again, I can't figure that he'd be compensating for deficiencies by living through the horsepower of a machine built by others.
Quit being a little bitch deflate, your jealous of my manhood.
And your not funny, your sense of humor is lame.
Don't be ridiculous. You and I both know your inability to afford the car in your avatar, is nothing short of hilarious.
Proven Prius Owner, OBama Voter, Gay Rights Advocate....
Don't kid yourself, wrongway isn't even voting age yet.
ha ha, you fools, I can afford way more car than I have in my avatar, that car is my everyday run around car, by the way travisty, its been paid for in cash. and I didnt vote because no matter what we all lose, obamma, hes a friggin pos joke. gay rights? No I hate gays too im not the one with my boyfriend stain on my sweatpants.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
It would have died with the .223 and .243, just as much.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
It would have died with the .223 and .243, just as much.
Dude, come on..... UBERFAST .223/.243...... and a finisher.... Later. Sleeveless.
For the love of 500hp 'Stangs, first-cousin shotgun weddings, Pabst Blue Ribbon and all things holy, I beg of you to teach your adopted son some semblance of the English language the next time you get together. I know you don't have much to work with and expectations are remarkably low, but I'd darn near piddle my britches if the lad could somehow begin to understand that you are = you're. I'll even buy the donuts and a brand new Lamborghini poster to serve as motivational tools, if you think they'll help. I've got cash money and can afford way more poster than that, but mom says it's a start.
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
Agreed. +1. Dittos. Uber. Preach it. LARGER. Amen. FASTER.
P.S. The bear wasn't that glad....as he lay there.....all night.
He 'seen the bear one more time while the season was open, at 500 yds. so he held his rifle"....hmmm....then "he seen it a few days later" when he shot it was the season closed? Is he a poacher too?