Right there with you friend. That was the major point of 2 long posts above. The loads listed in old manuals and even most recent(10-20 yrs) magazine articles, though well done, really don't apply to this wonderful PPU brass. Don't know how the internal capacity of the current Norma offering compares. Maybe someone here could share their info if available? I've always thought that was the purpose of the BS going on around the "CAMPFIRE".