Originally Posted by RJM
Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by HawkI
The FBI has been coming up with wonder loads ranging from 9mm-10mm since the agency was formed; since they have come to the conclusion all do the work of a 45 while allowing more rounds, easier hit repeatability, the next logical step is the adoption of a 25 or 32 (30) caliber service round and weapon that will reasonably extend the same logic. Hell, Ive just read here a 22 lr and a 22 Mag needn't expand, since its pointless under 2,300 fps....
Never mind every time the FBI adopts a cartridge it ISN'T a 45 and when the military actually uses a sidearm en masse it goes back to the 45, since those tasked with actually using a handgun and not merely testing them seem to have an imaginary inclination and preference towards it.





The some really ingnorant thangs being posted in this thread, however I do want to correct a myth that is commonly repeated...


Every single military/Fed unit/organization that has a choice, has realistic and consistent high level training, and actually kills people with handguns on the regular have choosen 9mm. EVERY SINGLE ONE. When a couple of those units did use 45’s, it had a lot less to do with the round, and much more to do with the platform- (custom 1911’s). The military units that actually kill people with pistols are very happy with modern 9mm... Just like the FBI. Because when seen in large numbers there just isn’t a noticeable difference between 9mm/40/45 in people.



As for the FBI developing new loads/bullets all the time... well I would hope so? Technology changes.




All that aside, the military units that actually do the killing with pistols have validated and use the FBI’s criteria for a reason.



...really...apparently you have no clue how guns and ammo are chosen....and if that is the case why since the Army standardized on the 9mm that my friend's son, who just got promoted to a Major in SF, is still carrying the same Glock 22 in .40 S&W he was issued when he went into SF about 6 years ago... Funny that the guys who really do use a handgun in battle don't choose the 9mm...

They may all kill but they don't all kill the same...

Bob


Thanks for the input, Bob.

Form,
Did you tell them they make 1911 9mm's?

What is this "seen in large numbers"? WWI-WWII type numbers, or most everyone uses a 9mm today type numbers?

On a limited scale, just using 9mm/38 and comparing them to 40 calibers or larger, deer sized critters seem to notice the bigger stuff and even a blind man can figure that out, especially with solids. A good 22 to the head is plenty; why not 22's? 32's?
The plain fact is that, over time, a good deal of sidearm "investigating" has been done by the FBI and (other the 10mm), has continuously chosen (virtually) the same cartridge with different bullets over and over again and some find it a bit silly they've made the same declarations in the past.