Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by widrahthaar
“Pocket 380 is only good if you never use it”

Odd comment for somebody carrying a 9mm 1911.

LOL. He's an old man who can't handle .45 ACP anymore.


LOL indeed..

Dude, When I say this, I do so with all sincerity. You quite frankly don't measure up to a pimple on that "old man's" butt...

That "old man" has accomplished more in a mere fraction of his lifetime than you will ever dream of, and that is a fact.

A Green Beret, Deputy Sheriff, and one of Jeff Cooper's first instructors at Gunsite, Ken is a true icon in the firearms industry to put it mildly.

He is also a founding member of both shooting sports IPSC and IDPA.

Just to lay some cards on the table, Ken Hackathorn is a good friend.


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If for even a second you think he can't handle a .45 these days.. well, keep believing that and underestimate him.

Ken can hammer rounds out of a .44 magnum like it is nobody's business.

In fact here is a pic from a couple years ago at my cabin. Ken and I were discussing 5" Model 29 44 magnums, Elmer Keith etc

while waiting for the Solar Eclipse that was about to happen, while the rest of the crew were eating, socializing and doing what wives and kids do,


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He has a "Bear Defense" drill that is shot with full power .44 Magnum, .45 Colt and up (up to and including 500mag) that is done in a very compressed time frame.

Ken can clean it. The short version is, Ken can handle the big boomers fine, he simply is smart about not abusing his hands and wrists, as is wise to do for a man who makes his living like he does.

I do the same thing with my .44 magnums. I don't shoot full tilt 300+ grain/Max H110 loads all the time. In fact they make up a small percentage of my .44 shooting, as the medium loads meet my needs quite well for most my tasks. I reserve the top end loads for the less than 10% of the tasks that require them.

Ken shoots an inordinate amount of handgun ammo, and it takes a toll. Shooting 9mm for classes and training makes sense.

For further clarification


Ken does not carry a 9mm 1911. He primarily carries a Commander length 1911 in .45 as his carry gun. He however practices with a 9mm for the most part.



LOL indeed. For a guy who could not make the cut to get into the police academy ,never served in the military, is scared to death of 'Negroes in pickup trucks" not to mention is so scared of his own shadow that he has a gun in a ziploc bag in the shower with him, (and carries nun chuks) I find it pretty ironic that you would bash a guy like Ken Hackathorn.

When was the last time that (H&K) Heckler and Koch called you and said "Please come to Oberndorf Germany. We would like you and your friend from Delta (Larry Vickers) to design a gun for SEAL Team 6. The result was the H&K45 Compact, which is by all accounts a phenomenal gun.

Ken travels frequently OCONUS to train some of our allies whom I will not name here. Apparently those country's premier hostage rescue/counter terror units think highly enough of the feeble old man that they fly him around the globe to train them up.




LOL indeed!



He can flat out hammer with an M1 Garand too!



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STFU, you pretentious ass! Everybody gets old, and he admits it. Nothing wrong with modifying your caliber choice in response to it.


TRH, you're wrong in this.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.