In August of 2010, NYPD Officers opened fire on an armed man they believed to be leveling a weapon against them. Angel Alvarez was hit 23 times and subsequently made a full recovery. Luis Soto, also involved in the shooting, was stuck 5 times and died at the scene. All service weapons involved were chambered in 9mm, loaded with Speer Gold Dot 124 grain.

McGrotha produced a 9mm handgun, firing one round into Soulis’ chest (it was stopped by his armor). Before it was over Soulis was shot three more times while shooting McGrotha 22 times, 17 of which were described as “center mass.” It would take McGrotha as long as 4 minutes to die after the last shot was fired. Officer Soulis service weapon was chambered in .40 S&W, Winchester Ranger SXT rounds.

Gramins and the suspect Maddox exchanged gunfire in an extreme close quarter fight. When it was over Maddox had been hit 17 times before going down, including three fatal hits to the head. Officer Gramins service weapon was chambered in .45, Duty round unknown.

The only guaranteed instantaneous incapacitation is in the head; the brain stem.

The average resting cardiac output is 5 liters a minute (for an example 154 pound man); imagining a major hemorrhaging (level IV) from a sufficient diameter wound, it will take our mope at least 20 seconds to lose 40% blood volume.

The officer fired and the 12 gauge slug entered the robber's body through the arm pit, transited his chest (missing the heart) and exited from his other armpit breaking his arm. The robber got back up and ran two blocks, stopping only when the pursuing officer tackled him from behind. Incidentally, the robber survived.

in one shootout, a .38 special round passed through the offender’s neck w/o harming the offender; he was also shot in the chest and through the mouth knocking 5-6 teeth out. When the chief arrived some minutes later the offender was standing up conversing with the cops.

In another incident an offender drew a gun and fired at an officer in the front seat, hitting him in the back but not stopping him. Another officer managed to shoot the offender through the eye w/ a .45. This did not stop the offender who had to be subdued. He lived to go back to prison.

two offenders who belatedly realized he was a cop shot him four times, twice w/ a .45 and twice w/ a .38. None of the shots stopped him and he noticed no difference between the .45 and .38 wounds.

The conclusion that no handgun is powerful enough to physically stop an assailant comes from Col. Martin Fackler, M.D., a battle surgeon and world class expert who until his retirement headed the Armed Forces’ Wound Ballistic Laboratory.

if a .45 is not powerful enough to physically stop an assailant, can you make a logical argument that the 9, 40,45 possibly .380 are NOT all about the same.