Originally Posted by Sargejustice
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
1Akshooter,

Thanks for your post.

While some of Form's hunting posts have left me scratching my head a little, his experience with a bunch of scopes, shot a LOT by other people (not just him) is very valuable.

We have corresponded some about how various scopes hold up under considerable recoil and lot of shooting. I do not have as much experience training/watching others, but shoot more than average, especially when initially testing scopes on harder-kicking rifles. Have now had 20 different brands (not individual scopes) fail just from my own shooting--though in some instances I was deliberately trying to break
"affordable" scopes, which their companies claimed were "shock-proof."

Anyway, our experience with various brands pretty much matches. Don't really care as much about hunting stories as how various scopes work.



Gun writers are the welfare recipients of the gun world and a dead if not forgotten relic of the modern age. The days of Fleecing down companies for free gear, to lie about in articles are nearing an end due to the ability for those companies to reach their customers on social media. Hope MR BARNS saved his retirement money because BSing readers to keep company’s feeding gear is coming to an end.

But folks have to eat so maybe government Cheese cook book will pay rent.


Before he passed away I was friends with one of the editors for Guns and Ammo. One time he wanted me do so some shooting with a Kimber .22 ($1,200) wearing a Leupold 30X with a 1/8" dot. We fired about a dozen brands of expensive and cheaper ammo at fifty yards. All groups were between 1 1/4" and 1 1/2". There was another guy who did some shooting at a different time for him also. When the article came out there were no bad groups so I complimented the other shooter. He told me, "I thought you did all the good shooting."

I confronted the editor and he said, "I must have left off the "1"s. Well I owed him a favor anyway."

Years later I think I know what was wrong. The scope was bad from the get go.

"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter