Thanks Hanco, I've been a Leupold man for going on 50 years. It's only really changed in the last 10 years or so. Crappy service, more variations of scopes than they can grace over and more than they can keep up with.

Outdoors, I have a Schmidt&Bender, 5 Leupolds and 2 Burris scopes but that is fixing to change. They just can't be trusted w/my money any longer. YMMV powdr