Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by krp
It's not about linage, it's about the people themselves. Both sides of my family, the common thread is they were among the first as each area of this country was opened up. They just kept moving west.

I've found it disingenuous when common Mexicans claim they are indigenous to the southwest just because Mexico had a claim of title from 1821 to 1846 from Spain. They didn't live here, they didn't control the territory, Indians did and they hated Mexicans that ventured in.

A relative came into NM to trade with the Utes in the 1820s, was a guide for Kit Carson and Fremont when they came through and in their books. He guided my GGgrandfather, his cousin, to the newly opened California wine country in the 1840s to grow grapes.

I'm indigenous to the southwest, more than a mexican, not as much as an indian.

I have about every nationality mixed but I'm born to the west through blood and sweat.

Kent


Yep. The Comanches and Apaches hated the Mexicans. And killed them and ran them out of what they “claimed” for Mexico back then.
Spain, built missions in the SW to rape and pillage the Indians in the name of Catholicism


One thing the Spanish New Mexicans hated just about as bad as the Navahos, were Texans!


Apache's were the big terror in the southwest, Navajos were much more peaceful to the whites... but it was said an Apache doesn't fear anyone but a Navajo, if a Navajo decided to kill you he wouldn't stop till he did.

I've spent a lot of time on the reservations and with people from the different tribes, on a whole good people, enjoy their sing song voices and laughter. Their culture was F'ed by the stronger White man culture, a sad but common story in the evolution of human development.

Kent