Originally Posted by deflave
If California, Oregon, and Washington wanted to secede, you might think that would be great. But the reality is that they'd be antagonistic toward the (lower) 45 other states. They would refuse use of their ports, and resources, and pay no money toward the repaying of debts that provided them enormous swaths of infrastructure and security. And since they're all dumber than dogschit, they are now leaving the remaining 45 states vulnerable to foreign invasion. Rather than having a pack full of retards on our western boundary, we would end up with China on our western boundary.

It would be cute for maybe a year, but sooner or later people are going to have enough and they're going to restore the order they once knew.

Would you move into California, Oregon, and Washington state to kill the people that caused all the problems? I would argue that most Americans today would love a reason to do so.

Don't be a victim of revisionist history. Slavery was not the issue. It was much, much, much deeper than that.


Exactly. The war was inevitable because Lincoln wasn't going to let the southern money get away.

The first nail in the coffin was the tax of obamanation passed under Adams presidency.


I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first