My wife fed me with Elk for several years with the 8MM Mauser with Remington 170(Memory?) bullets.Her favorite rifle.I had her switch to my .270 but she does not like it.

Like the 30-40 Krag,the 8mm puts 'em down if you do your part.Way to much is put into Velocity/Energy and ballistics rather than shot placement and knowing your rifle and it's limits.

Jayco