I’ll say this I wouldn’t sell my zeiss v4 or my Schmidt Glass is great in both But the more I test this zeiss The more impressed I am with it I have a diavari 3-12x56 that is also great But I swear this v4 is right there with it There again as a previous poster stated I drug out a kahles 1.5-6x42 helia c with a #4 And I forgot just how impressive it is in low light conditions for a non illuminated scope