Idaho 1945 all deer shot from the ground.The only thing the kieth did kill for me was at an angle and then it was up and a spine shot.I am glad they work for you and I never said the game here was any tougher,but glad you think so. I said they haven't worked for me,and confidence in your choice of weapon and ammo is the only place to start and for what it's worth not everyone in the SE hunts out of stands and over bait! again JMO

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