Badger: This is my first ATV, so I'll have to take you word on them. But I know what you mean about the Timex's. I have a whole desk drawer full of them, some as old as 10 years, still running on the original battery. Wish everything was as good a quality. I keep breaking the bands. What kind of areas do you get your ATV's into, and how far in do you go.<P>Phil