Greyghost, yeah, I've spent a good bit of time in the LA area, particularly Long Beach and while there are lots of things I like out there, the traffic is not in the top 200.<BR>A Marine DI acquaintance of mine picked up from CA when he retired and moved here, said he bought a nice house and 40 acres or so for less than he could rent in CA. Land and houses are fairly reasonable around here, and good hunting for ducks and deer. Maybe you should consider moving when you retire? We're 150 miles from Dallas, use lots of crane operators over there, but am not sure of wage levels. Good Shooting.