Lots of very experienced people think that the 17 Fireball is what Remington ought to have done in the first place rather than develop that touchy bore fouler 17 Rem.
I use a Hornet on fox, and have never felt either under- or over-gunned. I don't collect fur, but if I did the ones I've taken with a 223 would have been ruined. Not so with the Hornet. For some reason, the fox have never cooperated when I was carrying my Fireball carbine.
