my only concern with the HMR is the limited range in the open area I hunt in. Would hate to pass on a 200 yd shot which would be beyond the rimfires range. The 17 hornet is a good one as well as the MK4/Fireball. As far as pelt damage is concerned no one can convince me that any centerfire 17 does less damage than the other. Let's face it folks a fox is about a thin skinned furbearer there is and if you want to argue the damage you either have not shot and skinned many fox or you are simply full of sh%t Russ
