My intent is NOT to hijack this thread and I apologize but suffice to say I have neither the desire nor patience to dig up the scads of things JeffObama has spewed about the armed forces and again WTF does "hating war" have to to with this thread? AV thanks for the kind words and again I apologize to all but this jerk just makes me nuts. jorge

A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”