Sorry Ringman, but I get tired...no exhausted when you come around and start posting, basically calling a guy a liar that has owned a certain scope for 20 years. I can see what cummins cowboy was thinking but he was thinking the opposite ...not me. I don't post about killing elk because I've never killed one but I do have a good idea about how I would go about it and w/what gun and bullet I would use. Both FFP and SFP scopes will work and I happen to like my S&B 3-12x42 w/#4 reticle. Like I said... I CAN MAKE THE RETICLE ANY SIZE I WANT! powdr