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Just on Logic it strikes me: Does that perforce make it wrong?

It is a battle against the good and evil....darn right there will be millions of casualties.

People believe what they want to believe.

Muslims
Liberals, and
Scripture-quoters.

Same logic.

The existence of god and religion are two different concepts. One can exist without the other, but not the reverse.

Seems like on the fire,
DoG only exists
To serve white baptists

I have read stories of the stress of survival of native Americans before being appraised of the good news who supposedly prayed to the great spirit for sustinance over the winter.

If there were not an innate knowledge of a supreme being, how would every major society and civilization on earth have come up with some idea of a future and hereafter.

Many would say because the Hindus and Chinese and other societies had different objects of worship that would prove there was no God.

I would say each society had innate feelings there was a supreme being. Not having the Written Word of the Good News they tried their best to try and connect with this supreme being in their own way by trying to figure out the truth in their on sesrching manner, from worshipping the sun or moon or cows or golden idols.

After Jesus brought the good news the truth was revealed. Unfortunately many societies over the world had built their god in their own way and were more comfortable with their choice.

The sun and star worshippers bit the dust but the cow, pope and moon worshipping muzzies are still hard at it.

Jag, It is accepted fact that any society eventually invents gods of some nature. The mechanics of such have been discussed.

But just because men invent gods, by no means can be considered proof that God invented man.

It was man searching for a truth they new existed in the dark before the truth was brought to mankind by Jesus Christ.

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Rocky, my friend, there is a good deal here that is just in error.

Man is not curious by nature. Man was given a mind by God. Animals dont have it. Men searched from whence it came, just as you do when you come home from work and there is an unexpected package left on your porch by UPS.

You dont know what you got but you know you got something and you know you got it from somewhere.

I rarely comment on these type post but he we go. I believe in God because I have had an experience and a man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument. I'm not gonna be a ass to a man that doesn't believe because he hasn't had the same experience as me. Hard to convince someone who has been healed in the name of Jesus that there is no God. That being said I'm not a church goer on a regular basis, I believe the church needs to look at it's self it's either so corrupt it's sickening or its so legalistic they forgot about mercy grace and love, crossing all their religious T's and dotting all their religious I's but treating their neighbors like [bleep].

Jag, This is attempting to justify a preconceived belief.

Primitive societies, and even a lot of members of not so primitive societies look for answers to the mysteries of the universe.

When the science is not yet available to answer their questions, people invent imaginative myths.


The Mayans, the Incas, the Aztec, the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians, the Druids, the various Pacific Islanders, the Mongels, the Far East Islanders, the Hebrews, etc, etc, etc, all invented various mythologies to explain the mysteries around them. Some of those mythologies proved to be somewhat malignant to their practitioners and have pretty much fallen by the wayside.

Some of those mythologies have actually proven beneficial toward enforcing healthy practices in the tribe and very good at enriching the priesthood. Those myths have become particularly enduring.

Does any person ever have any knowledge of any myth without learning it from parents and peers? I believe absolutely not!

But the only way to know would be the "forbidden experiment". One would have to somehow isolate a group of babies and have them mature in a fully feral state to find out. First: how would one keep them alive until they could feed themselves without contaminating their environment? And second: Who in their right mind would sacrifice an innocent child to such an existence? and third: how could anyone communicate with them after they grew up?

I believe any knowledge of any god comes only from education. You apparently believe otherwise. Since there is absolutely no way to gather empirical evidence to support either belief, the only way to find out would be to die.

I am comfortable in my belief that even that will answer no questions.

Do dogs go to heaven?...ie; can they get their without faith and receiving Holy Spirit ?

Some say a place where they spend eternity with relatives . but not their dog, sounds a lot more
like hell than heaven..



Dogs dream, and dreams are a subconscious function of the mind...From that one would gather
that anything with a subconscious mind also has a conscious mind.

I think this comment is obviously contradictory. Why is man searching, except that he is curious by nature. But that is a minor point of little importance in this discussion.

I would ask though, when did God give Man this wonderful thing we refer to as a mind?

Did Homo Erectus have such a mind? Cro Magnon man? Neanderthal? The earliest Homo Sapiens? How about Homo Sapien/Neanderthal 50/50 hybrids?

Their hypocrisy is infinite.

Man is rather creative in his imagination be it due to desperation, boredem, subterfuge, etc

just look at how Gods multiplied and evolved over millennia.

it went from local Gods in our earthly global sphere physical world, to Gods in the outer distant heavenly bodies
and then beyond.

Terms used in Greek pagan mythology we can find used in Bible..why would a monotheistic God find need to do that..?

Pure nonsense. Most of the NT writers were contemporaries of Jesus, whether they met him face to face or not. The last book written, Revelation, is believed to have been written by 95AD. There are a few books where the author is unknown but the writings were completed by the end of the 1st century. The Bible wasn't assembled in it's current form for another couple hundred years, but that's irrelevant to when it was actually written.

For comparison, consider Plato's Republic. Very few will debate its authenticity but the earliest copy known is dated 1300 years after Plato wrote it. There are only 7 know copies of it. By contrast, every book of the Bible has thousands of copies, many dated within a few years of the original. When copies are compared, there is almost no difference in them. There have been translation errors, but most modern versions are translated from the earliest Greek manuscripts available. Some versions of the Bible are translations of translations but the most popular versions were translated directly from the Greek. There have been a few cases where scribes who copied manuscripts made notes of their own in the margins and they got picked up in error by translators. They have been eliminated as they're discovered.

Man, you and me sure are smart, RC.

Great post and thanks for it.

Because it's quite logical. We can now explain a lot of things that used to be attributed to God, like thunder,lightning, earthquakes etc. It stands to reason then that there are probably still many things we can't yet explain that perhaps one day we will, but right now many would still say it's an act of God.

That said, do I believe in God? Yes, I do. Is it innate? I don't know, I was raised to believe in God so my views on it will be biased. I think that whatever ideas I have on God are probably pretty heavily flawed, but I think the same could be said for everyone. I'm not here to argue or try to change minds, it's just a topic I have always found very interesting but very hard to have a conversation about because the vast majority of people either have their belief set and will not consider anything else, or don't believe at all and therefore don't deem it worthy of discussion.