Tractors lumbering down country roads are as common as deer in rural Montana, but the federal government wants to place new driving regulations on farmers and ranchers.
"It's a huge deal for us," said John Youngberg of the Montana Farm Bureau. After years of allowing state governments to waive commercial driver's license requirements for farmers hauling crops or driving farm equipment on public roads, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration is poised to do away with the exceptions.
Regulators are suggesting that all wheat shipments be considered interstate, even when farmers making short hauls to local grain elevators aren't crossing state lines. The change would make commercial driver's licenses � and all the log books and medical requirements that go with them � a necessity for farmers. Some might not qualify.
The licenses would also be required of farmers driving farm equipment down public roads. Farmers hauling grain for a neighbor or landlord would be considered commercial drivers hauling for someone else.
Ranchers hauling livestock in trailers as small as 16 feet would also be subject to the new rules.
But before finalizing the proposed changes, FMCSA is accepting public comment. It originally allowed 30 days for public input last May. Then 18 U.S. senators prodded by farm groups asked that the public be given more time. Comments are now being taken until Aug. 1.
In a cautionary letter, Rep. Dennny Rehberg, R-Mont., told FMCSA Administrator Anne Ferro to drop the regulations.
"Under your proposal, tractors, combines and pickup trucks hauling trailers would be regulated as commercial vehicles," Rehberg wrote. "Producers who operate these vehicles would be required to obtain commercial driver's licenses, medical cards and log their hours as if they were long-haul truck drivers."
Traditionally, farmers driving farm machinery have been exempt from commercial driver's licenses, as have farmers hauling wheat, provided they didn't cross state lines and traveled no farther than 150 air miles to the elevator.
"When you haul a commodity 150 miles, it just doesn't make sense to have a commercial driver's license," Youngberg said.
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration says it wants to make sure federal safety regulations are being carried out uniformly across the nation. According to FMCSA, some states have been asking the administration to clarify rules on grain trucking, farm equipment and trucking for someone else. The reasons behind those questions are numerous.
Dana Peterson, National Association of Wheat Growers executive officer, said farm equipment on public roads has become an issue in urban areas, while the other two trucking issues have been sticking points with FMCSA.
"That's been the interpretation of the agency for several years now," Peterson said of the interstate rule for grain. "But it hasn't been interpreted that way in all the states."
FMCSA argues that because grain will ultimately be shipped out of state, it should be regulated as an interstate product at every transportation step. Treated as a product destined to cross state lines, grain becomes federally regulated under the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.
If a farmer's trip to the local elevator is viewed as an intrastate transaction, then public safety becomes the main issue and the state has final say. Officials with the Montana Department of Transportation and Montana Department of Agriculture confirmed last week that they have not responded to federal requests for public comment about the proposed changes.
The argument that grain ultimately leaves the state seems to have Montana in mind. Roughly 80 percent of Montana wheat is shipped to other countries, said Lola Raska, of the Montana Grain Growers Association. However, once farmers unload their trucks at the local elevator and collect payment, their end of the business transaction is over.
In Montana, the conflicts between federal and state handling of farm freight have been minimal. That hasn't been the case in states where commodities cross state lines more often.
In Oregon, farmers along the Columbia River often raise crops on the Washington side of the river as well. Farmers there have similar business arrangements in Idaho, said Shawn Cleave, government affairs specialist with the Oregon Farm Bureau. Crossing the state line has required farmers there to get commercial licenses, or at least that's what the Oregon Farm Bureau has encouraged them to do.
The bigger issue in the federal proposal is whether commercial driver's licenses are required for farmers in crop-sharing agreements involving leased farmland where everyone has a stake in the crop's sale.
Oregon's farmers are getting older. Their average age is 60, just slightly older than Montana's average farmer. As those farmers get older, it becomes more likely that they'll partner with younger farmers to get crops on their land. Commercial driver's licenses are likely to be a must for the younger farmers in the partnership, Cleave said.
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Ag business (corporate farms) is a huge industry, and I'm guessing there are some lobbyists for the corporate farming interest who have gotten what they want. The Obama administration certainly is going to favor corporate lobbyist over those "redneck farmers who cling to their guns and religion," most of whom would probably rather get their shirt pulled into a PTO than have Hussein in office.
Written test, pre trip vehicle inspection test, road test, pre hire drug urinalisis, random drug test, and become subject to never-ending restrictive regulations like having the trucks equipped with electronic on board recorders, if the FMCSA gets their way. Total PIA for farmers who aren't even the slightest threat to public highway safety. Fedzilla
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What are the eligibility requirements to obtain a Montana CDL? 1. You must be 21 years old. (18 years if all commercial driving is done within Montana and if no hazardous materials requiring placarding are transported and if you do not drive double or triple trailer rigs). 2. You must be physically capable (in accordance with the MCSR 49 CFR 391.41 Physical Qualifications for Drivers regulations) of obtaining a valid DOT medical examiner's card (before being issued a CDL permit or taking any CDL skills test). 3. You must otherwise qualify for the license based on your driving record. Any of the following will disqualify you from obtaining a Montana CDL . . . * If you possess a license from any state other than Montana. * If you are currently subject to any disqualification of your commercial driving privilege from Montana or any other state. * If your license is currently suspended, revoked, denied, or cancelled. * If you have a conviction for operating a commercial motor vehicle while impaired in the 24 months immediately preceding application. * other technical rules, and further restrictions that pertain only to Montana are covered in detail within the Course.
How do I obtain a Montana CDL? 1. Show your Montana driver license. 2. You must take and pass all Montana examinations that apply to your license class and endorsement requirements. 3. Show proof of social security number. 4. Meet Montana driver record eligibility requirements as determined by the State. 5. Fill out an application including certifications. 6. Pass the required knowledge and vision tests (BEFORE a CDL Temporary Instruction Permit will be issued). 7. Pay the Montana CDL fees. 8. Schedule, take, and pass your Montana CDL skills test.
cost is around $50
granted all this is just Montana's rules, other states prolly vary and im not sure if the feds are gonna require you be 21 since they are classifying it all under interstate commerce
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And lest I forget - the cost of this is not only born by the regulated, but the Gov't has to pay people to administer these rules.
The Gov't will spend and/or impose costs of around $6 million per "life saved" when they attempt to justify regulations. Do the math on that knowing that the average American earns less than $50,000 per year.
But yet a 90-year old man can walk into an RV dealership and buy a 40-foot Class A motor home with air brakes and drive out the same day, with no special license.
But yet a 90-year old man can walk into an RV dealership and buy a 40-foot Class A motor home with air brakes and drive out the same day, with no special license.
...for now..
RE: the Montana info in the OP.. Get enough wheat farmers together and tell the Feds to get stuffed.. What are they gonna do? Try to stop a 400hp tractor with their squad cars? HAH.. By the time that tractor gets done with that car, the remnants will be about the size of a card table..
Gov't is out of control.. Keep it up, gov't, and you'll be dealing with an armed revolution on your hands..
Just keep it up......
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The long range purpose of these types of laws, i.e., that negatively impact local family farming and homesteading, is to eliminate food independence. Communists always attack this element in societies prior to massive purges.
The long range purpose of these types of laws, i.e., that negatively impact local family farming and homesteading, is to eliminate food independence. Communists always attack this element in societies prior to massive purges.
True - and a good point.. Control the food = you control (fully) the people..
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Absolutely friggin' ridiculous idea. Most farmers are older guys who probably couldn't even pass the physical for a CDL. Then it opens them up to a whole new set of rules to drive under like the drunk driving alcohol limits are halved for a guy with a CDL. You and your wife go out for dinner on friday night and have a couple of beers, you get pulled over coming home while driving your wife's car and blow a .05, you're busted for DUI just because you have a CDL and you're not even a truck driver, you just wanted to be able to haul your grain to market.
I have no doubt the teamsters and huge agricultural conglomerates are behind this, anything they can do to drive the smaller farmers out of business increases their profit margin. They realize they've got the perfect administration in the White House to be able to push this ridiculous crap through.
I tell you it's time for the States to seriously think about leaving the Union. According to Komrade Les, even Obama realizes it's time to split West from East.
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My impression from the reading I have done( not law books) that it also imposes a host of record keeping and log books. It has also been said that very likely that every rig on the farm or ranch would be required to have a CDL driver. Good by to high school kids working for cash to go to school.
They have been replaced; those are "jobs Americans won't do"....
And you can bet your ass THEY'LL have no CDL, but then its a "Federal" issue. Call me warped, but I've watched it happen, even known LEO's to get the roadblocks for issuing citations in cases.
I don't know how to respond without sounding like sour grapes. My family pioneered Texas, settling between Ayish Bayou and the Angelina River in East Texas. About sixty years ago, it was decided by the Federal Government that a couple of reservoirs (Sam Rayburn and Toledo Bend) were more in the interest of the public than my families heritage and wealth. In the name of eminent domain, everything my family had (Tens of thousands of acres of bottom land) was seized by the government. The deal offered was accept $50 per acre, or else.
At least the "or else" doesn't make you feel as cheap.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
When hauling wheat will one need to get a hazmat endorsement because of the hazard of grain dust? It seems that people won't be able to do anything without a license for whatever one wants to do.
When hauling wheat will one need to get a hazmat endorsement because of the hazard of grain dust? It seems that people won't be able to do anything without a license for whatever one wants to do.
That is the whole object of the exercise, PEOPLE control.
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Regulators are suggesting that all wheat shipments be considered interstate, even when farmers making short hauls to local grain elevators aren't crossing state lines. The change would make commercial driver's licenses � and all the log books and medical requirements that go with them � a necessity for farmers. Some might not qualify.
The licenses would also be required of farmers driving farm equipment down public roads. Farmers hauling grain for a neighbor or landlord would be considered commercial drivers hauling for someone else.
Ranchers hauling livestock in trailers as small as 16 feet would also be subject to the new rules.
"Under your proposal, tractors, combines and pickup trucks hauling trailers would be regulated as commercial vehicles," Rehberg wrote. "Producers who operate these vehicles would be required to obtain commercial driver's licenses, medical cards and log their hours as if they were long-haul truck drivers."
More total bullchit from the federal gov't.
If they consider going to the local elevator or local stockyard an intrastate transaction they better make all the tourists pulling boats and campers get a CDL also.
Hell, my mom goes to the store and buys a bag of oranges that came from Florida, she better a get [bleep]' CDL too!
Yep! The interstate thing seems to work and the Feds want to use it to the max. There is darned little today that does not cross some state line at some time so they think they should control it all.
This is an example of the Feds using the commerce clause to extend their power.
Same thing with the health care plan Reid, Pelosi and Obama shoved down our throats.
I am a firm believer it is time for the states to propose and pass an amendment to the constitution explicitly defining and securely limiting the scope of the commerce clause. That would return much more control to each individual state which is how this country is supposed to operate.
Simple enough...or go along with it. Those are your choices. I believe in my heart that you guys will go along with whatever is thrown at you...and come back on here and whine about it.
Have any of you ever said NO to the govt?
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Hussein & Co. trying to kill off even more jobs, and the last vestiges of independence in America.
The Teamsters, of course, are LOVING this idea.
No, I'm convinced it's more sinister than that. The real goal is to control the food supply and this is another step in that direction. The reintroduction of predators in L48 is another part of it. Also just look at the recently passed so-called food safety bill.
Simple enough...or go along with it. Those are your choices. I believe in my heart that you guys will go along with whatever is thrown at you...and come back on here and whine about it.
Have any of you ever said NO to the govt?
You betcha.. I have.. I'll give you an example; the American Community Survey.. "you are required by law to respond..." I told 'em to pound sand - that I would not now, not EVER, fill in that form.. Got the personal 'visit' by a census drone.. Told her the same, pointed out the section/paragraph in the Constitution that defines what the census is, showed her a printout of the trespass laws in this state, then finally handed her a written notice to her, her boss, and any/all agents of the census bureau that they were NOT allowed on this property again. If they come - I can have 'em arrested for trespass since they have been warned, in writing, that it's now illegal for them to be here.. That was in May/June some time, I can't recall the dates, and I haven't heard from that outfit since..
I'll continue to say "NO" to this gov't as often as I can.. And if I was a wheat farmer I'd ignore those bastids too...
Originally Posted by stevelyn
No, I'm convinced it's more sinister than that. The real goal is to control the food supply and this is another step in that direction. The reintroduction of predators in L48 is another part of it. Also just look at the recently passed so-called food safety bill.
Control the food. Control the people.
And I'm convinced you're spot on in your assessment..
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Simple enough...or go along with it. Those are your choices. I believe in my heart that you guys will go along with whatever is thrown at you...and come back on here and whine about it.
Have any of you ever said NO to the govt?
Say no?
When you get pulled over and refuse to show 'em your lack of CDL they will remember that. Next time they see you moving equipment or grain or cattle they're gonna pull you over again....and again. I would imagine that the third of fourth offense would result in a fairly stiff fine or possibly even jail time.
I'm not worried about it here on the Rez because common sense(law enforcement) stills rules but in more metro-dumbass areas it could be a problem. Get the wrong cop all lathered up and they will have it out for you.
Kinda hard to work and get chit done when you're in court or jail.
But yet the Fed sees fit to open the southern border up to semi's from Mexico. Thinks they are safe enough to run the highways without oversight. Go figure.
Um, who is going to enforce a stupid regulation like that? I can't see any South Dakota law enforcement organization doing it.
same people that already enforce the DOT horse crap rules already on the books......
and the thing is , this is not legislation by representativee government , this is stroke of the pen legislation by bureaucrats with nothing better to do .
thankyou so much to those idiot voters that put 'Bama and his merry bunch of commies in power.....
Can't see troopers doing it (except maybe one azzhole I know) and don't think you'll get DOT guys out of their comfy booths at the weigh stations. Sheriffs sure as hell won't care, helluva re-election platform.
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Wish I had a dime for every law & regulation that nobody thought would be enforced.
As I said, it's not just compliance & street level enforcement that cost, there are administrative costs as well. This is just one more budget line item.
just this day, i almost got run off the road by a farm dump truck, possibly on the way back to the harvesting fields.
he was running empty, as far as i can tell, and in a hurry for another load of corn silage. he and i shared the road. maybe he more road than i did?
anyways, time is money, for sure. but, please don't run over me and my 87 year old mom, back from shopping at the local Wal-mart mega-store.
in other examples, back about '95, i was almost side-swiped by a big concrete truck coming around a short curve. to his merits he stopped when i hit the inside ditch of the curve when he covered the whole road. the mini-toyota pickup came out unscathed in low gear.
all was well. he went on his way, and i went on mine. was it a driver problem, or a road problem?
drivers, roads, on=coming traffic, and progress. what a concept.
I worked for my buddy's step dad all through high school and college, row cropped several thousand acres along with running a small cow/calf operation. There were times then that I legally needed a CDL but didn't have one, neither did any of my other friends working on other farms. During harvest, DOT just kind of looked the other way and let us get done what needed done.
My mom did see my buddy get pulled over in one of his boss' semi's a few harvests ago, said DOT showed up with the scales, my friend was waving his arms wildly the whole time trying to do some explaining. I later asked him about it, he said he was 20k lbs overweight and they weren't too happy about it. Said it was only a couple hundred dollar fine though.
When you get pulled over and refuse to show 'em your lack of CDL they will remember that. Next time they see you moving equipment or grain or cattle they're gonna pull you over again....and again.
The first time will result in at least a thousand dollar fine and impoundment of equipment. There may even be jail time for the first offense. Then they will go after the employer.
The FMCSA got to look busy with this while they give the Mexican carriers to go ahead.
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Simple enough...or go along with it. Those are your choices. I believe in my heart that you guys will go along with whatever is thrown at you...and come back on here and whine about it.
Have any of you ever said NO to the govt?
According to what you've been spouting, gov't buys your bread, your tea, your fuel, your everything. You are owned. Who are you to be telling anyone else to say "no" when all you ever say - according to you anyway- is "yes, yes, yes" ?
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
They pulled this crap in Pa. sometime in the last 2 years. Threatened to withhold funds if PennDoT didn't tighten some of the regs to equal or exceed the federal ones.
Pa. Farm Bureau fought them pretty hard and managed to keep most of the farm exemptions. But it took a lot of public input and legislative work.
Don't just bitch here, send in your comments during the public comment period.
Does anyone ever connect the dots here? The government is just doing what the giant agribusiness concerns want them too. ConAgra and the like put their boys in office and this is their payback. The only ones that benefit from the loss of family farms is Big Agra. Follow the money. Our elected officials in Congress do not represent us any longer. They only represent the monied interests that that they whored out to in order to get in office.
The long range purpose of these types of laws, i.e., that negatively impact local family farming and homesteading, is to eliminate food independence. Communists always attack this element in societies prior to massive purges.
Exactly! When you look at the recently passed so-called food safety, bill, predator reintroduction, fedpukes going after those who sell raw milk, the destruction of heirloom vegetable varieties, more and more restrictions on farmers markets, it can only mean one thing. Single point control of the food supply. Control the food. Control the people.
I live in rural wisconsin. We do alot of dairy and crop farming in my area. I see both sides of the coin. For years farm trucks were licensed as such and were not subject to inspection, had cheap licenses, and could be driven by anyone. Alot of our smaller family farms take the crops to the mill via farm tractor with a box/wagon behind it. But as farms have evolved to bigger and bigger commercial we are seeing more and more old junk semi's converted for the haul. It's kind of scary at harvest time seeing even an empty one coming down the road with suspension stuff so bad that they're leaning 10 degrees towards your lane. One of my buddies goes to work past one of the biggest dairy farms in the state. They employ a ton of Mexicans. He says it's pretty scary seeing these guys coming down the road in a cloud of smoke....truck leaning to one side...and they can barely see over the dashboard. I'm not sure if Wis has passed more licensing requirements lately but this was the norm just a year or two back in my area. FWIW....I hold a cdl and do some part time trucking for a friend with a truck business. I realize "full tilt" truck regulations will be hard on farmers. I'm not sure how to say a compromise can be struck. But what goes on in my area at harvest and manure hauling time is a tragedy looking for a place to happen.
I live in rural wisconsin. We do alot of dairy and crop farming in my area. I see both sides of the coin. For years farm trucks were licensed as such and were not subject to inspection, had cheap licenses, and could be driven by anyone. Alot of our smaller family farms take the crops to the mill via farm tractor with a box/wagon behind it. But as farms have evolved to bigger and bigger commercial we are seeing more and more old junk semi's converted for the haul. It's kind of scary at harvest time seeing even an empty one coming down the road with suspension stuff so bad that they're leaning 10 degrees towards your lane. One of my buddies goes to work past one of the biggest dairy farms in the state. They employ a ton of Mexicans. He says it's pretty scary seeing these guys coming down the road in a cloud of smoke....truck leaning to one side...and they can barely see over the dashboard. I'm not sure if Wis has passed more licensing requirements lately but this was the norm just a year or two back in my area. FWIW....I hold a cdl and do some part time trucking for a friend with a truck business. I realize "full tilt" truck regulations will be hard on farmers. I'm not sure how to say a compromise can be struck. But what goes on in my area at harvest and manure hauling time is a tragedy looking for a place to happen.
Typical lie-beral...
"Tragedy"....
You know you wanted to use "crisis", and I'm sure you'll find a way in your next whine.
Nimrod....you're such a dumb ass calling my post the use of a crisis. As usual when facts don't fit your viewpoint you have to go on the attack. It's just another example of why people like you will never run this country.
BTW---Redneck when you gonna make that move.....promises promises.
tis what gov't does, is avoid tragedy for us commoners
but the greatest tragedy in gov't's eyes is finding a pool they've not dipped their beak in.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
Nimrod....you're such a dumb ass calling my post the use of a crisis. As usual when facts don't fit your viewpoint you have to go on the attack. It's just another example of why people like you will never run this country.
BTW---Redneck when you gonna make that move.....promises promises.
I live in rural wisconsin. We do alot of dairy and crop farming in my area. I see both sides of the coin. For years farm trucks were licensed as such and were not subject to inspection, had cheap licenses, and could be driven by anyone. Alot of our smaller family farms take the crops to the mill via farm tractor with a box/wagon behind it. But as farms have evolved to bigger and bigger commercial we are seeing more and more old junk semi's converted for the haul. It's kind of scary at harvest time seeing even an empty one coming down the road with suspension stuff so bad that they're leaning 10 degrees towards your lane. One of my buddies goes to work past one of the biggest dairy farms in the state. They employ a ton of Mexicans. He says it's pretty scary seeing these guys coming down the road in a cloud of smoke....truck leaning to one side...and they can barely see over the dashboard. I'm not sure if Wis has passed more licensing requirements lately but this was the norm just a year or two back in my area. FWIW....I hold a cdl and do some part time trucking for a friend with a truck business. I realize "full tilt" truck regulations will be hard on farmers. I'm not sure how to say a compromise can be struck. But what goes on in my area at harvest and manure hauling time is a tragedy looking for a place to happen.
not true at all
any truck , whether straight or semi that grosses over 26000 lbs has always needed a DOT inspection, reguardless of the type of plates it carries
any farm truck over 26000 has the same safety requirements (brakes , lights, good mechanical condition , etc.) as an equivalent commercial vehicle .
Well not the trucks I'm talking about. You had me going there and I was scratching my head over what I was seeing and trying to balance it with farm truck laws. BUT.....the vehicles I'm talking about are being run around our area used in the harvest of crops and bringing them back to the farm. FROM WHAT i CAN SEE THEY DON'T EVEN NEED A LICENSE. Alot of these trucks are older semi's with frames lengthened and sileage boxes put on the backs...they aren't trailers...they're big trucks. Some also have open box manure spreaders. And alot of the bigger farms in our area own smaller farms as much as 30 miles away. Heres the Wisconsin statute exemption:
341.05 When vehicles exempt from registration A vehicle , even though operated upon a highway of this state, is exempt from registration if any of the following applies: (7) The vehicle is a farm tractor used exclusively in agricultural operations, including threshing, or used exclusively to provide power to drive other machinery, or to transport from job to job machinery driven by a farm tractor. (9) The vehicle is a trailer or semitrailer used exclusively for the transportation of farm machinery, implements, produce or supplies on a farm or between farms. (13m) The vehicle is a trailer, semitrailer or camping trailer having a gross weight of 3,000 pounds or less and not used for hire or rental. (17) The vehicle is an implement of husbandry, s.340.01(24). (28) Notwithstanding s.34126 (3)(ar), the vehicle is a farm truck tractor being operated solely in intrastate transportation and in transporting manure, grains, silage, haylage, or equipment between fields or between a farm and a field at the time of operation or is being operated from its point of purchase to the operator�s farm. This subsection does not apply to transportation by a common motor carrier or a contract motor carrier. Note: Trucks with permanently mounted potato boxes and special low ration gearing used solely to collect and transport potatoes in harvest and planting seasons are �implements of husbandry� exempt from registration under sub.(17). State v. Okay Produce Co.
Today is our market day. We harvested and took our harvest to three places, two stores and one restaurant. Then we drove our pickup to the feed coop to buy feed.
Our hay is bailed and we sold a couple of hundred bales in the field. Those buyers came from small farms and hauled it home in their pickups and trailers.
Under this law wouldn't every one of those drivers needed a CDL?
[bleep] em', and the diseased , spavined dying bag of bones they rode in,....claiming it was a horse and the chithole CITY they were spawned in
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Does anyone ever connect the dots here? The government is just doing what the giant agribusiness concerns want them too. ConAgra and the like put their boys in office and this is their payback. The only ones that benefit from the loss of family farms is Big Agra. Follow the money. Our elected officials in Congress do not represent us any longer. They only represent the monied interests that that they whored out to in order to get in office.
And you can bet your ass illegal Pedro will be wheeling it, sans ANY legit DL, let alone a CDL.....at least around here its pretty common around "pig towns".
They would have a heck of a time enforcing it if they did.
STUPID,...even trying.
Good " boots on the ground " evals. of alla' this are springing out of our latest "Police Riot" down here, during that series of "Fires",......Live vids, recordings ALL being held CLOSE to the vest,....
Looks pretty manageable,....most of the folks involved do NOT want to see any further escalation of stupidity, or disclosure of hard FACT.
all good,....that.
GTC
Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
Does anyone ever connect the dots here? The government is just doing what the giant agribusiness concerns want them too. ConAgra and the like put their boys in office and this is their payback. The only ones that benefit from the loss of family farms is Big Agra. Follow the money. Our elected officials in Congress do not represent us any longer. They only represent the monied interests that that they whored out to in order to get in office.
I'm Intrigued,....
DEATH don't come early, or soon enough for whoever these azzwholes are ?
GTC
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So a guy needs a CDL, log book, etc. to work rented land the next section over, or even his own land across the road from his machine shed. Yeah, I can see that happening! Right after nailing the guy that trailers a few head to the sale barn behind his pickup.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
those that say there will be no one to enforce the laws must not live in ag areas.....i see DOT guys all the time having farmers pulled over now to check weights.....not really gonna take any extra effort on any regulatory body to ask to see their CDL now too....
being on the rez though its funny watching the new guys pull over a tribal member that really doesnt look to tribal.....know a couple of them that wait till they have everything checked and the ticket filled out saying they are overweight to produce their tribal ID just to [bleep] with the DOT guys
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This potential bill is BS and I hope there is enough of a outcry to stop it from moving forward.
In NY for driving a truck over 26000 there is ag license for farmers or their employees that has most of the same questions as a CDL written and the same road test. However you don't need a physical and can only drive trucks with farmer or ag plates-no commercial vehicles. Farmers can put farmer plates on trucks and not need the truck inspected. However it is for personal farm use only, within 25 miles, and you have to have your routes used for your fields listed on a card given you when you register in the truck for officers to be able to verify. It is pretty limited. Ag plates require a inspection and don't have limits as to where they can be driven.
Another example of the Warlord and his band of marxists trying to kill off as much of the US economy as possible. Wait til you read about the new FDA regulations for produce! The EPA just doubled the CAFE standards from 27 to 54mpg for 2017. Course today's market crash of 512 is just an aberration.
I think it was Rush today said that the federal government put in place 608 regulations just for July at an estimated cost of $10B.
Putin was right last week when he called the US economy a "parasite for the world".
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
Once the FMCSA proposes a rule they have pretty much made up their minds.It is not often they back down. It is another one of the agencies that can make laws wit no input from Congress. There is a requirement for public input but nothing says they have to listen.
It would be easy. The brands inspector would be standing there with a DOT ticket book. It is all the Feds and they will stop at nothing.
Surrounded by a bunch of pissed off farmers and ranchers? Man, I'd pay to see that!
I don't drive the back road all that much but don't recall seeing the (SD) DOT guys out except on major paved farm to market highways. Lots of obviously overweight grain trucks on county and township roads speeding to get that last load to the elevator before it closes though. DOT does nail a few, shows up in the court report in the paper, but a small fraction of what they could.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
think the govt. types don't check around sale barns ?
I know of 2 guys that got nailed at the Watertown barn for having dyed fuel in their diesel pickups....not only you got DOT watching you got both federal and state revenue agents dipping fuel tanks .
another fella I know was pulled over by Feds and had his tank dipped after he left the barn .
That I can see, cheating on state fuel tax. The rest of us pick up the slack in property tax. I don't spend time at the Sisseton barn so I can't say who's there. Supposed to be a decent cafe there, but unless you're comfortable with "the smell of money" it's strong enough to knock your socks off!
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Simple enough...or go along with it. Those are your choices. I believe in my heart that you guys will go along with whatever is thrown at you...and come back on here and whine about it.
Have any of you ever said NO to the govt?
Rumor has it that the grain elevators will not accept your grain/products if your documents are not in order. This may also extend to Cattlemen and other livestock producers hauling animals to market.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
I can see it now. Five cowboys on their horses driving a herd beef cows to the auction yard getting stopped to a DOT horse inspection. They want to see a CRL (commercial riders license), Log book, and the cowboys health card from the nearest STD clinic. Then the will inspect the horse shoes for tread depth, the cinches for tightness and strength but when they lift the tails of those horses to dip their tanks I am guessing things will go down hill real fast!
Simple enough...or go along with it. Those are your choices. I believe in my heart that you guys will go along with whatever is thrown at you...and come back on here and whine about it.
Have any of you ever said NO to the govt?
Rumor has it that the grain elevators will not accept your grain/products if your documents are not in order.
Maybe this is why I've been noticing more family-owned storage facilities popping up.. A brand-new bunch of large grain bins were erected on SD-45, about 15+ miles south of Hy 212.. Looks to be owned by couple large wheat farmers.. That way they can bypass a normal elevator operation and just ship direct to the end-user..
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
I can see it now. Five cowboys on their horses driving a herd beef cows to the auction yard getting stopped to a DOT horse inspection. They want to see a CRL (commercial riders license), Log book, and the cowboys health card from the nearest STD clinic. Then the will inspect the horse shoes for tread depth, the cinches for tightness and strength but when they lift the tails of those horses to dip their tanks I am guessing things will go down hill real fast!
Fer the love of Mike, don't be givin' this gov't any more bright ideas.. Knowing the morons in this administration now - you can bet this idea just got sent to 'em and they're workin' on the bill - even as I type this..
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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