I like all the stuff Trump has been talking about during his rallies. I assume that most of the Left and middle haven't watched those like we have. So if he accomplishes nothing else tonight, I hope Trump basically reiterates all the great points he has been making on the trail so other people can hear what he has to say. If they don't want to believe the information, there's nothing we can do about that. But at least they can hear it, unlike on the MSM channels they probably watch.
I will. Biden is doing good.. for Biden. He still looks like a dipstick. But Trump is... well, he's Trump. A little dignity would go a long way in making Trump look better...
Thing that sucks is, Trump could beat Biden on all these issues simply making his points in a coherent controlled way. He doesn't need to turn it into a playground scrap. He can win because he's right on the issues.
I will. Biden is doing good.. for Biden. He still looks like a dipstick. But Trump is... well, he's Trump. A little dignity would go a long way in making Trump look better...
Thing that sucks is, Trump could beat Biden on all these issues simply making his points in a coherent controlled way. He doesn't need to turn it into a playground scrap. He can win because he's right on the issues.
I'm beginning to be concerned that Giuliani and Fat Boy did Trump's debate prep. Biden is on his game tonight.
Here's what I posted a few hours ago on another social media site. How did I do?
"Well, are you feeling a tingle of excitement over the impending presidential debacle? Irrespective of the political hate club to which you belong, I think we can all agree that we are about to witness a collective ineloquence the likes of which we have never suffered. In a rare show of self-respect, I am going to forgo the fiasco, opting instead for reruns of Keeping up With The Kardashians."
I figure that he came in trying to get Joe to melt. No matter the drug the se sensory overload should start to show as this goat rodeo gets into the second half.
I noticed something I thought odd about the split screen images of Trump and Biden so I channel hopped the debate through a few different channels and sure enough on all of them Biden's side is a clearer, brighter 'white' lit than Trump's side like how infomercials do with the before and after cosmetic ads.
I noticed something I thought odd about the split screen images of Trump and Biden so I channel hopped the debate through a few different channels and sure enough on all of them Biden's side is a clearer, brighter 'white' lit than Trump's side like how infomercials do with the before and after cosmetic ads.
Chris Wallace and Megan Kelly did this same hit job in the get Jeb the nomination debate during the Republican Debate last time. Solid piece of Sheeet Wallace.
Wallace is a separate issue... but Trump needs to STFU and stop constantly interrupting. Let Joe trip over himself all on his own. Plus Trump is making too many personal shots instead of talking about obvious facts and figures.
Trump is not prepared on his answers. the fugging problem with the Paris Accords and all climate change policy agenda's is that they ration energy and won't make one bit of difference while impoverishing billions. If there is a problem with climate (a big if) technology will solve it.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
No matter how much of a clusterfugg this was I believe it hurt Biden with his potential voters more. He dissed Bernie, said he is AGAINST defunding police, and basically rejected the Green New Deal......all these will discourage the radical lefty base from enthusiastically supporting him!
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
No matter how much of a clusterfugg this was I believe it hurt Biden with his potential voters more. He dissed Bernie, said he is AGAINST defunding police, and basically rejected the Green New Deal......all these will discourage the radical lefty base from enthusiastically supporting him!
No matter how much of a clusterfugg this was I believe it hurt Biden with his potential voters more. He dissed Bernie, said he is AGAINST defunding police, and basically rejected the Green New Deal......all these will discourage the radical lefty base from enthusiastically supporting him!
Yep. He pissed off the Bernie and AOC voters. Not good for Hiden Biden.
No matter how much of a clusterfugg this was I believe it hurt Biden with his potential voters more. He dissed Bernie, said he is AGAINST defunding police, and basically rejected the Green New Deal......all these will discourage the radical lefty base from enthusiastically supporting him!
Gawd I hope you're right, but don't you think his internal pollsters told him to play it that way? He's taking away Trump's strongest argument---that he is beholden to the Left.
No matter how much of a clusterfugg this was I believe it hurt Biden with his potential voters more. He dissed Bernie, said he is AGAINST defunding police, and basically rejected the Green New Deal......all these will discourage the radical lefty base from enthusiastically supporting him!
Fershure.
Truth
Originally Posted by Remington6MM
Just going to run off the end of the dock here and say, I don't think anybody has changed their minds tonight.
I think far leftists may dump Biden and continue to try and burn it all down
No matter how much of a clusterfugg this was I believe it hurt Biden with his potential voters more. He dissed Bernie, said he is AGAINST defunding police, and basically rejected the Green New Deal......all these will discourage the radical lefty base from enthusiastically supporting him!
Yep. He pissed off the Bernie and AOC voters. Not good for Hiden Biden.
Turn off their microphone when it’s not their turn
I have no idea why they don't do that. One guy gets 2 minutes. Have a digital clock on the back wall that the candidates can see. Turn on one mic and turn off the other mic. At 2 minutes, turn off both mics.
Supreme Court justices, open economy, vaccine, law and order
Vs
Close the economy, pay Brazil not to burn trees, spend tax dollars we money we won’t have on highways and buildings we don’t need, cant name an LE agency that supports him.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
another BLM never Trumper. You change your mind more than a 52 year menopausal woman.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
Like they said Hillary would win in a Landslide? GMAFB.
The Polls are rigged to keep the Trump voters at home. Didn’t work then. Won’t work now.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
another BLM never Trumper. You change your mind more than a 52 year menopausal woman.
I stated a fact. The polls might be wrong, but the fact is Trump is consistently down 7 points and getting his ass handed to him tonight.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
Anyone that puts any Credence on the polls is a fool.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
Anyone that puts any Credence on the polls is a fool.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
another BLM never Trumper. You change your mind more than a 52 year menopausal woman.
I stated a fact. The polls might be wrong, but the fact is Trump is consistently down 7 points and getting his ass handed to him tonight.
Maybe you weren't alive back in 2016. You should look that year up.
I think Biden did a much better job keeping his cool and not interrupting which is something a lot of independents will appreciate. It won't matter to them that Trump was interrupting because Biden's a lying POS because anyone that's still "undecided" is obviously not ever going to open their eyes to the facts of how much damage the Dems have done and are going to do to this country and it's Constitution.
They need a moderator that will MODERATE and NOT DEBATE.
Trump needs to STFU and let Biden lose the debate on his own. Stop interrupting almost every time.
Trump needs to come with more facts and figures instead of personal insults. He had many chances to make Biden look bad and let them slip away
Biden didn’t need any help looking bad. He came across as a bumbling stumbling idiot that was too dumb to Debate Trump. He had to let Wallace fight his battles. What a fuggin joke Wallace and Biden both were.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
another BLM never Trumper. You change your mind more than a 52 year menopausal woman.
I stated a fact. The polls might be wrong, but the fact is Trump is consistently down 7 points and getting his ass handed to him tonight.
Maybe you weren't alive back in 2016. You should look that year up.
Trump got an October surprise from Comey. 2016 was an outlier. The polls have been right damn near every year otherwise (excepting Adlai Stevenson).
They need a moderator that will MODERATE and NOT DEBATE.
Trump needs to STFU and let Biden lose the debate on his own. Stop interrupting almost every time.
Trump needs to come with more facts and figures instead of personal insults. He had many chances to make Biden look bad and let them slip away
Biden didn’t need any help looking bad. He came across as a bumbling stumbling idiot that was too dumb to Debate Trump. He had to let Wallace fight his battles. What a fuggin joke Wallace and Biden both were.
And we only saw that when Trump would finally STFU and let Biden make himself look bad.
Watched it on ABC to see one of the MSM enemy’s coverage. It’s even more over the top bias than I could have imagined. Not a semblances of neutrality in the post “coverage” framing.
That may help moderates but progressives are groaning.
It's not the progressive votes that he needs most.....................
MM
The hell its not.....i would wager to say that far more of what were "moderate" dems in the past will never pull a lever again for a dem candidate on the national level thanks to the likes of AOC, Commie Bernie, BLM, ANTIFA etc, being the faces of the "new democratic party" The future successes of the Dem party on a National level depend solely on the young radical leftists ambition to actually get out and vote!
As a die hard Trump supporter I hate to say this but Trump was his own worst enemy. Yes, Biden was a liar. Yes, Chris was an ally of Biden. But Trump should have let Joe be Joe. He wins on the issues. He should have just STFU, let Biden spew his bullschit without interruption. And then eviscerate Joe's crap will facts.
As a die hard Trump supporter I hate to say this but Trump was his own worst enemy. Yes, Biden was a liar. Yes, Chris was an ally of Biden. But Trump should have let Joe be Joe. He wins on the issues. He should have just STFU, let Biden spew his bullschit without interruption. And then eviscerate Joe's crap will facts.
Trump tried to rebut Biden but (((Chris Wallace))) shouted him down every time.
As a die hard Trump supporter I hate to say this but Trump was his own worst enemy. Yes, Biden was a liar. Yes, Chris was an ally of Biden. But Trump should have let Joe be Joe. He wins on the issues. He should have just STFU, let Biden spew his bullschit without interruption. And then eviscerate Joe's crap will facts.
Watched it on ABC to see one of the MSM enemy’s coverage. It’s even more over the top bias than I could have imagined. Not a semblances of neutrality in the post “coverage” framing.
Yep. That’s what I watched. ABC is Commie to the Core.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
another BLM never Trumper. You change your mind more than a 52 year menopausal woman.
I stated a fact. The polls might be wrong, but the fact is Trump is consistently down 7 points and getting his ass handed to him tonight.
Maybe you weren't alive back in 2016. You should look that year up.
Trump got an October surprise from Comey. 2016 was an outlier. The polls have been right damn near every year otherwise (excepting Adlai Stevenson).
There's no compelling evidence that the Comey thing tipped it one way or the other. You're speculating. What isn't speculation is that polling in this country has lopsidedly favored democrats across all modern elections. Yet we somehow still win.
This wasn't Trumps best night but he's still going to win.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
Get Rudy and fat Christy off Trump's debate team muy pronto and get him prepped for the next debate. He was not ready tonight.
I’m a 110% Trump supporter. 1 Trump should not have interrupted so much. 2. Moderator rarely said anything when Biden interrupted. 3 neither won. Not acted like asses. 4 Biden lied his butt off. 5 Biden didn’t sound quite as incompetent. He must have taken lots of adderal 6 this debate likely changed no one’s mind
Wallace lost control of the situation in the first 30 seconds and never recovered.
Trump was very rude, probably to keep Biden on his back foot.
Biden was weak and rude. At several points he tipped his head, shook it, looked down and flashed a sheepish grin. That's body language for "Please don't hit me again." But he stay coherent for the full debate.
There were a lot of unsupported claims on both sides, some outlandishly fabricated. And the name calling was totally appalling.
DOW futures went up 200 points during the debate. I wish I knew why. They're either betting on Trump because he's better for business. Or they think Trump lost and there's not going to be controversy to deal with after the election.
The smart moneys on Trump. Every One Knows Biden is a fuggin joke.
The polls say otherwise.
another BLM never Trumper. You change your mind more than a 52 year menopausal woman.
I stated a fact. The polls might be wrong, but the fact is Trump is consistently down 7 points and getting his ass handed to him tonight.
Maybe you weren't alive back in 2016. You should look that year up.
Trump got an October surprise from Comey. 2016 was an outlier. The polls have been right damn near every year otherwise (excepting Adlai Stevenson).
There's no compelling evidence that the Comey thing tipped it one way or the other. You're speculating. What isn't speculation is that polling in this country has lopsidedly favored democrats across all modern elections. Yet we somehow still win.
This wasn't Trumps best night but he's still going to win.
The 2016 polls showed a major tightening in Trump's favor after the Comey letter. Look it up.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
That and Chrissy Wallace jumping in to Bidens defenseand cutting trump off constantly.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
Well of course GW. It was a set up Trump hit job from the start. But we knew that going in. Wallace is a Commie DemoRat. The Fake News Media Fix was in.
Screw it. I enjoy a good brawl. You cannot talk to a liberal and not have it turn into a pissing match.
Originally Posted by geedubya
Originally Posted by jnyork
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
What did you expect?
A real debate?
(((Chris Wallace))) decided what issues would be discussed.
Wallace lost control of the situation in the first 30 seconds and never recovered.
Trump was very rude, probably to keep Biden on his back foot.
Biden was weak and rude. At several points he tipped his head, shook it, looked down and flashed a sheepish grin. That's body language for "Please don't hit me again." But he stay coherent for the full debate.
There were a lot of unsupported claims on both sides, some outlandishly fabricated. And the name calling was totally appalling.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
What did you expect?
A real debate?
(((Chris Wallace))) decided what issues would be discussed.
As a die hard Trump supporter I hate to say this but Trump was his own worst enemy. Yes, Biden was a liar. Yes, Chris was an ally of Biden. But Trump should have let Joe be Joe. He wins on the issues. He should have just STFU, let Biden spew his bullschit without interruption. And then eviscerate Joe's crap will facts.
I agree. But.. it's Trump. He just can't do it. Yes, he should have acted more "presidential". He really should behave in a more dignified manner.... but I don't think he's capable. He's no Reagan. You can get in quips and jabs and not look like a jerk. You can call someone a liar without looking like a twelve year old.... but Trump couldn't do that.
Sure, Biden looked like a hapless doofus, but Trump looked like a jerk. The average person (not the hard core Trumper or leftist) is more comfortable voting for a hapless doofus than a jerk. Trump seriously blew a "yuge" opportunity to actually LOOK like a president.
I'm gonna take two aspirin, and then call someone in the morning......
Can you say, trainwreck?
I wouldn't call it a train wreck, but it wasn't pretty. Trump was not prepared and did not look presidential. Looked surly and angry and the constant interruption impressed no one and made him look defensive.
As a die hard Trump supporter I hate to say this but Trump was his own worst enemy. Yes, Biden was a liar. Yes, Chris was an ally of Biden. But Trump should have let Joe be Joe. He wins on the issues. He should have just STFU, let Biden spew his bullschit without interruption. And then eviscerate Joe's crap will facts.
I agree. But.. it's Trump. He just can't do it. Yes, he should have acted more "presidential". He really should behave in a more dignified manner.... but I don't think he's capable. He's no Reagan. You can get in quips and jabs and not look like a jerk. You can call someone a liar without looking like a twelve year old.... but Trump couldn't do that.
Sure, Biden looked like a hapless doofus, but Trump looked like a jerk. The average person (not the hard core Trumper or leftist) is more comfortable voting for a hapless doofus than a jerk. Trump seriously blew a "yuge" opportunity to actually LOOK like a president.
Whoa. Brett Baer just said they are hearing from Dims that they are saying Biden shouldnt get on the stage again.
That's what I've been saying. After the VP debate, I doubt Biden will ever do another one. They'll just say Trump is a petulant child and it's pointless. Not feeling good right now guys.
pretty sad when a grown man has zero convictions and a weak undeveloped character and bases his important life decisions on short term emotional responses to propaganda.
sounds like a full out cluster indeed. I didn't bother to watch. I'm only interested in perceptions. So far, it seems pretty clear that Biden hammered Trump. And Trump once again, went with his ego and lost the handle. Apparently, he as no ability to control himself (and that's NOT news).
I'm gonna take two aspirin, and then call someone in the morning......
Can you say, trainwreck?
I wouldn't call it a train wreck, but it wasn't pretty. Trump was not prepared and did not look presidential. Looked surly and angry and the constant interruption impressed no one and made him look defensive.
How can someone be prepared for a hostile moderator that shuts down everything you want to say?
Whoa. Brett Baer just said they are hearing from Dims that they are saying Biden shouldnt get on the stage again.
That's what I've been saying. After the VP debate, I doubt Biden will ever do another one. They'll just say Trump is a petulant child and it's pointless. Not feeling good right now guys.
Same thing on ABC. Biden won by a long shot and shouldn’t hold another debate.
Biden came across as being better prepared. Trump was controlling the first portion of the debate, and Biden looked a bit better as the "debate" continued. Trump needs to stop telling us how many people support his positions, and simply argue facts. He's smarter, and the facts support his positions.
I remember the little bit of the legion of demon debate as the dems were competing for the one ring to rule them all. Surprised that biden got it. He stumbled through that and the televised public speaking engagements when he was not under stress and still talking about his proclivities n what not.
Now he's had a complete oil change of fresh blood....just look at his skin tone and wrinkles plumped smooth. He's had a cocktail if Rx. Walace gave him the questions ahead of time. Obviously, this was a highly practiced machine.
Trump tonight was not the trump of the past. Nevertheless, he won the debate imho, but how many votes is anyones guess. Maybe none.....
As a die hard Trump supporter I hate to say this but Trump was his own worst enemy. Yes, Biden was a liar. Yes, Chris was an ally of Biden. But Trump should have let Joe be Joe. He wins on the issues. He should have just STFU, let Biden spew his bullschit without interruption. And then eviscerate Joe's crap will facts.
I'm surprised (and a bit disappointed) that Biden did not start babbling. His "facts" lacked substance.
Trump lost on the "optics" I believe. I think that will hurt him among the undecided. He also left a couple great points against Biden on the table.
Wallace did OK with a difficult task. I was a bit surprised when he asked Biden why he did not contact the mayors of Portland, etc. A question specifically to Biden.
I'm gonna take two aspirin, and then call someone in the morning......
Can you say, trainwreck?
I wouldn't call it a train wreck, but it wasn't pretty. Trump was not prepared and did not look presidential. Looked surly and angry and the constant interruption impressed no one and made him look defensive.
How can someone be prepared for a hostile moderator that shuts down everything you want to say?
Go back and count the number of times Trump interrupted the debate, of course Wallace has to try to 'moderate'. Christ, I was waiting for fisticuffs to break out.
It wasn't pretty. Joe exceeded expectations. Trump was too wild - almost seemed a bit desperate. Wallace seemed more biased than I'd hoped. Yikes... not good....
What a freakin' gong show that was. Only a dedicated Trumpeteer could appreciate his performance while Biden had only a BS message to deliver. There was no winner; just two losers. GD
I'm gonna take two aspirin, and then call someone in the morning......
Can you say, trainwreck?
I wouldn't call it a train wreck, but it wasn't pretty. Trump was not prepared and did not look presidential. Looked surly and angry and the constant interruption impressed no one and made him look defensive.
How can someone be prepared for a hostile moderator that shuts down everything you want to say?
Go back and count the number of times Trump interrupted the debate, of course Wallace has to try to 'moderate'. Christ, I was waiting for fisticuffs to break out.
A moderator shouldn't be allowed to choose the issues which are to be debated. A moderator shouldn't be allowed to prevent a candidate from saying what he wants to say.
Did anyone notice that on CBS after the debate that Harris in her interview said that RGB was the first woman on the supreme court, and no one corrected her?
Trump looked like Trump, which is entirely too much personality for many people. Joe looked OLD and his stuttering is an SNL skit if they had the balls to do it. Trump saved Joe a few times by interrupting, Joe was looking worse the more he talked. I think Trump could have buried him with a bit of restraint. I am not sure what an independent got out of it.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
My overall impression as well.
I noticed too Biden looking down numerous times apparently reading prepared notes to certain questions asked. Toward the end he was starting to sound a bit confused, stammer, slur pronunciations and blink his eyes frequently.
I hate to say it but Biden had Trump on the defensive most of the debate.
Give one candidate 3 minutes. Give the other candidate 3 minutes. They can use their time to rebut what the other candidate said or to discuss whatever it is they want to discuss.
In the first few minutes, it was clear that Joe was struggling to piece together coherent sentences. I have no idea why you would interrupt that repeatedly. Trump did much better with Hilary. He calmly let her babble, then he delivered simple zingers and dropped the mic. This was just 90 minutes of noise.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
ya!
GWB
My overall impression as well.
I noticed too Biden looking down numerous times apparently reading prepared notes to certain questions asked. Toward the end he was starting to sound a bit confused, stammer, slur pronunciations and blink his eyes frequently
I hate to say it but Biden had Trump on the defensive most of the debate.
The questions were selected to put Trump on the defensive.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
I'm gonna take two aspirin, and then call someone in the morning......
Can you say, trainwreck?
I wouldn't call it a train wreck, but it wasn't pretty. Trump was not prepared and did not look presidential. Looked surly and angry and the constant interruption impressed no one and made him look defensive.
How can someone be prepared for a hostile moderator that shuts down everything you want to say?
Go back and count the number of times Trump interrupted the debate, of course Wallace has to try to 'moderate'. Christ, I was waiting for fisticuffs to break out.
Trump's constant interrupting was what Biden was counting on. It made him look unconfident and small. He needed to be presidential. Let lyin Biden answer and then hit it out of the park.
Give one candidate 3 minutes. Give the other candidate 3 minutes. They can use their time to rebut what the other candidate said or to discuss whatever it is they want to discuss.
That's a debate.
And turn off the other guy's mic during that time.
That was the most sorryass excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Reminded me of two sixth graders fussing with each other out on the playground. Not one solid answer to even one question posed, only shouting over each other and hurling personal insults. Sad.
I am a Trump fan, but totally agree. It was a ClusterFugg.
However, a caveat, I know that the mod said that neither party had seen the questions, but IMHO the questions were designed to frustrate Trump and show him in the worst possible light!
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GWB
My overall impression as well.
I noticed too Biden looking down numerous times apparently reading prepared notes to certain questions asked. Toward the end he was starting to sound a bit confused, stammer, slur pronunciations and blink his eyes frequently
I hate to say it but Biden had Trump on the defensive most of the debate.
The questions were selected to put Trump on the defensive.
110% as well as Chrissy not allowing him to rebut it when Biden spewed some BS!
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
So if we deny reality, we're Rino's? I now some long-standing, die hard Trump supporters who thought Trump did poorly tonight.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
yep, the usual beta male suspects just like in the BLM looters threads
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
So if we deny reality, we're Rino's? I now some long-standing, die hard Trump supporters who thought Trump did poorly tonight.
Trump was deliberately trying to get Biden to crack & lose his cool..................Joe didn't exactly perform very well, but Trump was not successful in getting him to overload either.
It’s the folks that haven’t made up their minds yet that debates matter the most too.
I’d say that the sides have already been picked and the focus of the effort is keeping people from staying home on election day. Trump didn’t pick up any votes, but he allowed himself to be the vicarious voice of his angry base.
Biden didn’t lose any votes, but his base is not voting for him. They’re voting against Trump.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
I'm going to vote for Trump. I'd sooner jam a red hot poker from the fireplace into my retina than vote for that POS Biden. But that doesn't mean we can't be honest about what was bad about the debate. I'll wear a MAGA hat but I'm not wearing a cheerleader dress.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
yep, the usual beta male suspects just like in the BLM looters threads
Actually, they act just like BLM looters. Irrational and out of control. Same ol' But so fun to watch.
[Trump's constant interrupting was what Biden was counting on. It made him look unconfident and small. He needed to be presidential. Let lyin Biden answer and then hit it out of the park.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
So if we deny reality, we're Rino's? I now some long-standing, die hard Trump supporters who thought Trump did poorly tonight.
Well i didnt mention names...but if u think the shoe fits! Anyone who understands Trump knows that this performance was Trump being Trump, and that hostile, controlled debates are not a strong suit of his style. When he was allowed to make a point it was a valid one, while Biden basically just continued the orange man bad thoughts with little substance of how he would do it different.
This whole “debate” was really just about generating talking points for the MSM to shill for Biden. Biden didn’t meltdown and the MSM has its talking points. Viewed through that prism it was a big win for Joe.
I pointed this out earlier in this thread but I don't know if anyone else noticed that Biden's half of the split screen was better lit, and sharper than Trump's half like infomercials do on before and after cosmetic ads and was the same way on multiple channels as if to subliminally imply bad and good.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
yep, the usual beta male suspects just like in the BLM looters threads
I pointed this out earlier in this thread but I don't know if anyone else noticed that Biden's half of the split screen was better lit, and sharper than Trump's half like infomercials do on before and after cosmetic ads and was the same way on multiple channels as if to subliminally imply bad and good.
Wouldn't be surprised if they interlaced subliminal anti Trump messages in there every 10 frames.
[Trump's constant interrupting was what Biden was counting on. It made him look unconfident and small. He needed to be presidential. Let lyin Biden answer and then hit it out of the park.
LOL.....okay. Was this plan run by you? LOL
It was posted on DU 5 minutes ago, and now it's here.
[Trump's constant interrupting was what Biden was counting on. It made him look unconfident and small. He needed to be presidential. Let lyin Biden answer and then hit it out of the park.
LOL.....okay. Was this plan run by you? LOL
It was posted on DU 5 minutes ago, and now it's here.
I pointed this out earlier in this thread but I don't know if anyone else noticed that Biden's half of the split screen was better lit, and sharper than Trump's half like infomercials do on before and after cosmetic ads and was the same way on multiple channels as if to subliminally imply bad and good.
Wouldn't be surprised if they interlaced subliminal anti Trump messages in there every 10 frames.
"Drink Coke" "Orange Man bad" "Joe not senile" "Whitey is racist"
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
So if we deny reality, we're Rino's? I now some long-standing, die hard Trump supporters who thought Trump did poorly tonight.
Well i didnt mention names...but if u think the shoe fits! Anyone who understands Trump knows that this performance was Trump being Trump, and that hostile, controlled debates are not a strong suit of his style. When he was allowed to make a point it was a valid one, while Biden basically just continued the orange man bad thoughts with little substance of how he would do it different.
False. He has excelled at debates. That's how he got elected. He kicked Hillary's and every Republican's ass and tonight he didn't live up to expectations. I just hope there is two more debates---and he kicks Giuliani and Fat Christy off his debate prep team.
Okay I am biased but I think Trump was Trump but Biden did terrible. He called the President a liar, a racist, and a clown, and told him to shut up.
He said he wasn't for the "green new deal". The commie watermelon lunatics ain't gonna like that.
Would not answer the question about packing the court.
Said all the stuff about Hunter was "discredited". There is a 60 minutes interview out there where Hunter admitted to most of it and said it wouldn't have happened if his name wasn't Biden.
No, but he needed to act a little more presidential. Its a defensive look, a bad look when the rules are laid down and you don't respect them.
Was he supposed to just let the Bolsheviks lead him down to the basement to be shot like the Romanoffs? Figuratively speaking that’s what this debate was about. They certainly are not going to allow him a platform to showcase his accomplishments.
Biden was allowed to make claims and when Trump would attempt to rebut (((Chris Wallace))) would shut him down.
If you listened, you heard how the Democrats plan to steal the election.
Mail in ballots will continue to roll in for days until Biden is declared the winner.
The mutually accepted ground rules were that each candidate would get two minutes without interruption. Wallace was just trying to enforce that agreement. He got on Bidens case when he interrupted. Trump interrupted more, hence more input from Wallace.
But regardless of who you are, what goes up must come down.
And when you come down I've heard it sucks.
Biden can't keep it up forever.
Wish there was another debate tomorrow.
The DemoRat’s won’t risk putting Hiden Biden on the stage with Trump again. It’s back to the basement and more fetus stem cell injections for Sleepy Uncle Joe.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he suffered some mini strokes tonight. He’s obviously not well. They can’t keep shooting him up with the drug cocktail forever. He’s going to blow a gasket sooner or later.
They hedged all their bets on tonight’s Debate. The Trump / Wallace Debate with Hiden Biden providing color commentary.
Next will be the Veep Debate. Kamala the K u n t will call Pence a Racist Pig at least 40 times. The Moderator will Debate Pence for her. Then the Commie Socialist Fake News Media will declare a win for the DemoRat’s. Book it ! 🤠
Trump was deliberately trying to get Biden to crack & lose his cool..................Joe didn't exactly perform very well, but Trump was not successful in getting him to overload either.
Joe was pretty doped up.
MM
Yep. Expectations were unreasonably high of Trump that he'd have Biden getting carried out on a stretcher by the end of the night. In the end though, he couldn't get him to totally melt down. That's the only reason people feel a bit disappointed with Trump's performance.
Biden was allowed to make claims and when Trump would attempt to rebut (((Chris Wallace))) would shut him down.
If you listened, you heard how the Democrats plan to steal the election.
Mail in ballots will continue to roll in for days until Biden is declared the winner.
The mutually accepted ground rules were that each candidate would get two minutes without interruption. Wallace was just trying to enforce that agreement. He got on Bidens case when he interrupted. Trump interrupted more, hence more input from Wallace.
The Communist "moderator" repeatedly shut Trump down and would allow him to say what he wanted to say.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
So if we deny reality, we're Rino's? I now some long-standing, die hard Trump supporters who thought Trump did poorly tonight.
Well i didnt mention names...but if u think the shoe fits! Anyone who understands Trump knows that this performance was Trump being Trump, and that hostile, controlled debates are not a strong suit of his style. When he was allowed to make a point it was a valid one, while Biden basically just continued the orange man bad thoughts with little substance of how he would do it different.
False. He has excelled at debates. That's how he got elected. He kicked Hillary's and every Republican's ass and tonight he didn't live up to expectations. I just hope there is two more debates---and he kicks Giuliani and Fat Christy off his debate prep team.
To me he did ok in the Republican debates but terrible against Hillary. He far is better when speaking directly to the American people in his addresses, at his rallies or even on twitter, than he is in a structured debate, especially one with obvious biased "moderation" That being said i could give a rats azz about who "won" tonites "debate". The fact remains that Actions speak louder than words and President Trump has accomplished a damn lot in his first term in the face of all the bullsheit the leftists and media have thrown at him vs Bidens pitiful record after decades in government.
Hiden Biden couldn’t compete in Candy Land, much less Chess. He had his boy Wallace do the heavy lifting. And Trump kicked both of their sorry Commie asses.
But don’t worry, boy. You’ve got till Nov 3rd till you have to leap off of a tall building. Meanwhile, enjoy your delusions.
Bottom line is this. Despite Trump not doing as well as I think he could have. Despite Joe being a liar. Despite Chris being biased for Joe. No Trump voter is going to change their vote to Biden after tonight. No Biden voter is switching to Trump after tonight. BUT I think Biden was forced to irritate his far left voters. The Bernie cult, the AOC morons etc are not happy with his not committing to "defund police" or the "green New deal".
Trump was deliberately trying to get Biden to crack & lose his cool..................Joe didn't exactly perform very well, but Trump was not successful in getting him to overload either.
Joe was pretty doped up.
MM
Yep. Expectations were unreasonably high of Trump that he'd have Biden getting carried out on a stretcher by the end of the night. In the end though, he couldn't get him to totally melt down. That's the only reason people feel a bit disappointed with Trump's performance.
Biden didn't win. He just survived.
^^^This^^^
And the Commie Wallace moved in and took the blows every time Trump had Hiden Biden on the ropes.
Without Wallace’s interference, this would have been a total beat down.
Did anyone expect it to be other than what it was? All political debates I've ever seen have been the same. All meaningless anway, the important thing is gun control gun control gun control. That's THE defining issue in this election. Tonight's show was entertaining, but little more than Stalin's "bread and circuses" bit.
Might not bring out trolls on here but definitely ummasked a few RINOs and never trumpers on here to show their azzes with all their whining and hand wringing!!
So if we deny reality, we're Rino's? I now some long-standing, die hard Trump supporters who thought Trump did poorly tonight.
Well i didnt mention names...but if u think the shoe fits! Anyone who understands Trump knows that this performance was Trump being Trump, and that hostile, controlled debates are not a strong suit of his style. When he was allowed to make a point it was a valid one, while Biden basically just continued the orange man bad thoughts with little substance of how he would do it different.
False. He has excelled at debates. That's how he got elected. He kicked Hillary's and every Republican's ass and tonight he didn't live up to expectations. I just hope there is two more debates---and he kicks Giuliani and Fat Christy off his debate prep team.
I didn’t think that Trump did that great in his first debate with Hillary. He kicked her azz in the next two though.
Did anyone expect it to be other than what it was? All political debates I've ever seen have been the same. All meaningless anway, the important thing is gun control gun control gun control. That's THE defining issue in this election. Tonight's show was entertaining, but little more than Stalin's "bread and circuses" bit.
I mostly agree. Each side will see what they want to see the debate is for the few people that can’t think for themselves and are somehow still undecided. In that sense it’s rigged for the left because all Biden or any democrat has to do is not meltdown and the media will go to bat telling those sheeple what to think.
Bottom line is this. Despite Trump not doing as well as I think he could have. Despite Joe being a liar. Despite Chris being biased for Joe. No Trump voter is going to change their vote to Biden after tonight. No Biden voter is switching to Trump after tonight. BUT I think Biden was forced to irritate his far left voters. The Bernie cult, the AOC morons etc are not happy with his not committing to "defund police" or the "green New deal".
TRUMP won the debate by eliminating Bernie's supporters voting for BIDEN.
That is not what the Dem's internal polling shows. Just the opposite, which is why they took that approach. They're trying to appeal to the moderate middle. Joe's Leftist support is not going anywhere. They're certainly not staying home when they've been motivated enough to burn down half the country and they know damn good and well that if they get Biden in the WH, they will own his ass. We all know that. Biden lost no Leftist support tonight. They're not going anywhere and they are going to own Biden's ass if he wins. Stupid for Trump to say otherwise. He needed to take the opposite tack: by tacking Left Biden is pandering to moderates when he knows full well the Left owns his soul.
Trump was calm. Sleepy Joe was the one with popping veins and bulging eyes. Also, was Joe drifting off to sleep, or did he have crib notes in his hand. I saw times when I couldn't see his eyes, just upper lid.
Biden sure comes up with some weird alternative stats. He needs to be challenged. He also fervently lied about Trump and and about his own actions/inactions.
Trump shouldn't have interrupted so much, but Biden did too.
Biden did his Uncle Sam pose a number of times.
Biden seemed to have rehearsed answers.
Judging by the bulging angry eyes, I would suspect Biden was on some drug or other. He seemed to be confused but quickly caught himself before mis-speaking (too much).
If Wallace couldn't ride herd on these two, I don't hold out much hope for the other debates.
The other loss for Biden was when he said no more coal fired plants or gas fired plants will ever be built and would be replaced by renewable energy. And this was one of the very rare moments when Wallace basically said something decent about Trump, saying that the "President is trying to achieve a balance between the environment and the economy." That segment probably won't be good for Biden in the oil and coal states.
They're trying to appeal to the moderate middle. Joe's Leftist support is not going anywhere. Tjhey're certainly not staying home when they've been motivated enough to burn down half the country.
Exactly. The votes of the hardcore left are cemented. The votes of the hardcore Trump supporters are cemented too. Obviously. The debates mean nothing to either of them other than to give them an opportunity to say "My guy beat the pants off your guy!". But none of that matters. The debates, and the advertising that will fill the airwaves through to election day are... or should be.. all about coaxing those middle-of-the-roaders to vote for candidate A or candidate B. The Caspar Milquetoasts. The "I don't pay too much attention to politics" people. The undecideds. And yes, there are still some of those out there, and yes, the candidates NEED those votes. And while Biden certainly did not present himself as much of a candidate, Trump showed himself as a type of candidate that probably just turns off these undecided voters.
What the candidates say is not nearly as important as HOW they say it. In fact, what they say (or do) is not really important at all to a great many people. It's all about looks. Perception. Feelings. Sad, but true.
They're trying to appeal to the moderate middle. Joe's Leftist support is not going anywhere. Tjhey're certainly not staying home when they've been motivated enough to burn down half the country.
Exactly. The votes of the hardcore left are cemented. The votes of the hardcore Trump supporters are cemented too. Obviously. The debates mean nothing to either of them other than to give them an opportunity to say "My guy beat the pants off your guy!". But none of that matters. The debates, and the advertising that will fill the airwaves through to election day are... or should be.. all about coaxing those middle-of-the-roaders to vote for candidate A or candidate B. The Caspar Milquetoasts. The "I don't pay too much attention to politics" people. The undecideds. And yes, there are still some of those out there, and yes, the candidates NEED those votes. And while Biden certainly did not present himself as much of a candidate for these folks, Trump showed himself as a type of candidate that probably just turns off these undecided voters.
What the candidates say is not nearly as important as HOW they say it. In fact, what they say (or do) is not really important at all to a great many people. It's all about looks. Perception. Feelings. Sad, but true.
BUT I think Biden was forced to irritate his far left voters. The Bernie cult, the AOC morons etc are not happy with his not committing to "defund police" or the "green New deal".
That may very well be, but I seriously doubt any Bernie or AOC supporters will vote for Trump, regardless of how tonight's debate is interpreted. They're committed to voting D, or more should I say voting against Trump at any cost if they vote at all....just as much as a hard core conservative is in not supporting Biden, whether they vote for Trump or not.
They're trying to appeal to the moderate middle. Joe's Leftist support is not going anywhere. Tjhey're certainly not staying home when they've been motivated enough to burn down half the country.
Exactly. The votes of the hardcore left are cemented. The votes of the hardcore Trump supporters are cemented too. Obviously. The debates mean nothing to either of them other than to give them an opportunity to say "My guy beat the pants off your guy!". But none of that matters. The debates, and the advertising that will fill the airwaves through to election day are... or should be.. all about coaxing those middle-of-the-roaders to vote for candidate A or candidate B. The Caspar Milquetoasts. The "I don't pay too much attention to politics" people. The undecideds. And yes, there are still some of those out there, and yes, the candidates NEED those votes. And while Biden certainly did not present himself as much of a candidate, Trump showed himself as a type of candidate that probably just turns off these undecided voters.
What the candidates say is not nearly as important as HOW they say it. In fact, what they say (or do) is not really important at all to a great many people. It's all about looks. Perception. Feelings. Sad, but true.
It's not that simple. Yes, those middle voters are up for grabs and matter. But voter turnout matters also. And base motivation impacts turnout. This is exactly why all the polls were wrong picking the 2016 winner. If 55% of the people SAY they're voting for someone, but those people are less motivated than the 45% of the people who say they're voting for the other guy, they can still lose. Biden sapped energy out of the far left motivation levels. How that all plays out at the sausage factory who knows. But the fact remains that there are two factors here at play- how the undecided swing AND the base motivation levels. And another important thing, most of the country is not riots in the streets. When you refer to people burning down cities, those are all places we're not winning anyway.
Biden was able to appear more lucid than I had expected. Biden did screw up pretty badly and spewed nonsense on the "green energy" subject. Trump blundered several times by interrupting Biden when he was screwing up.
Anyone who says they want to see Trump be more "presidential" is a fuggn moron. He's been fighting them on all sides for the better part of four years. Fugg being presidential. And if anyone is still undecided, fugg them too! If you haven't figured out what these two are all about by now, you have no business voting.
Anyone who says they want to see Trump be more "presidential" is a fuggn moron. He's been fighting them on all sides for the better part of four years. Fugg being presidential. And if anyone is still undecided, fugg them too! If you haven't figured out what these two are all about by now, you have no business voting.
Buncha fuggn pantywaist fuggers!
Understand your point completely and don't want Trump to be a "nice guy". It's not a matter of being "presidential" as you say. It's an obvious difference of opinion on what's more effective. Trump has the high ground on the issues. Calmly letting Biden babble for 2 minutes and then eviscerate him with facts- MIC drop. Many of the people who watched the debate don't know a lot of information that you typically hear at a Trump rally because they haven't heard any of it from 90% of the media. They have been fed a completely one-sided story, almost all anti-Trump. This was Trump's perfect opportunity to deliver that message to those people. All they heard was 90 minutes of noise and probably won't watch again. That's assuming if Biden ever does another debate, which I highly doubt.
If he could just exercise some self control, Bden would sink himself, Trumps done the job, but thats who he is, he gets pissed and he hates losing more than anything
Anyone who says they want to see Trump be more "presidential" is a fuggn moron. He's been fighting them on all sides for the better part of four years. Fugg being presidential. And if anyone is still undecided, fugg them too! If you haven't figured out what these two are all about by now, you have no business voting.
Buncha fuggn pantywaist fuggers!
He needs 7% of the 10% undecided and that is what is important to them, right or wrong. Watch below what an undecided voter in Delaware had to say.
FatCity67 thanks for the laugh. I had to chuckle. I had a client once that wanted to bring Bobby Knight on a quail hunt. I told him “well I’ll tell you one thing, if he starts throwing chairs his ass is out of here.” Just kidding. If I’m in a bar fight I want Trump and Bobby Knight on my side. Losing is not an option. Both great Americans! MAGA. 👍
My prediction- there will be no more debates after the VP debate.
I hope not after this one. Ugly on both sides. Just hammer facts and numbers and let Biden stammer.
Yep I agree I’d really hoped this would be the tactic not New Yorker rudeness and interruptions. No reason to step in when yer opponent is gonna hang himself which, given enough rope, Joe WILL do.
Democrats will use this as an excuse for Biden not to debate any more
Im ok with that as the moderators will only get more bias from here on. I have never been a fan of debates. Debates are always harder on the guy who currently holds the office. Its easier to be a critic of whats been done and then jabber about what you would do with no detail. Trying to answer questions on complex issues cant be done in two minutes so it just a jab fest.
My prediction- there will be no more debates after the VP debate.
I hope not after this one. Ugly on both sides. Just hammer facts and numbers and let Biden stammer.
Yep I agree I’d really hoped this would be the tactic not New Yorker rudeness and interruptions. No reason to step in when yer opponent is gonna hang himself which, given enough rope, Joe WILL do.
I had to quit listening. My biggest gripe with Trump is that he is a rude and crude person, and he proved it last night. It was obvious that Biden didn't have a clue what he was doing, and all Trump had to do was let him prove it. Instead, his behavior actually help cover up for Joe's dumbazzness.
I'll still for Trump, as there is no choice, but there was no need for him to act like he did.
My prediction- there will be no more debates after the VP debate.
I hope not after this one. Ugly on both sides. Just hammer facts and numbers and let Biden stammer.
Yep I agree I’d really hoped this would be the tactic not New Yorker rudeness and interruptions. No reason to step in when yer opponent is gonna hang himself which, given enough rope, Joe WILL do.
I had to quit listening. My biggest gripe with Trump is that he is a rude and crude person, and he proved it last night. It was obvious that Biden didn't have a clue what he was doing, and all Trump had to do was let him prove it. Instead, his behavior actually help cover up for Joe's dumbazzness.
I'll still for Trump, as there is no choice, but there was no need for him to act like he did.
Thats exactly how I feel. All he had to do was hit the major talking points and let Joe repeat himself and stammer. He madee himself look bad to people in the middle last night. Those who are tired of the left and looking for an answer from the right did not get it.
IMHO, Trump lost votes last night when he could have easily taken the higher road and cemented a Win.
Could the President have done better? Yes, but Biden spouted lie after lie. If the President had not fought back, Wallace would not have let him. Wallace would have attempted to reframe the question or move in another direction so there would not be any refuting of Biden’s statements.
There are reports that Biden was given the questions early just like hitlery was given them in 2016. My guess is that there will be no more debates. Biden did one and that’s it.
Wallace is a Democrat hack like his commie loving father before him. He gives the name Wallace a bad reputation.
Trump did great in his first answer about filling the Supreme Court vacancy. After that he fell into Biden’s handlers trap and allows Biden to use some prepped one liners which the media will use over and over again.
Some of you are ate up with political correctness.
Trump was debating 2 people while Joe was debating one with help from his wires and his MOJO Lens. Trump never lied while the other debate team did. Trump by his tactics forced the other 2 into confusion with debate lines of "Shut up". Then their was the signal Trump gave................https://twitter.com/i/events/1311132414782050304........................https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1311131883292459008
Problem is the conditioning that the Repuke party had been doing to its own for the last 60+ years is on full display in this thread.
This is a WAR gentleman for OUR COUNTRY.
Get over your delicate sensibilities.
I'll agree with you 100% But........my point is that Trump didn't need to talk over both Biden and Wallace, because all he had to do was to let Joe talk and hang himself. I think he actually helped Biden by not letting him say very much..............because everyone knows that when Biden starts talking, that's when he starts screwing up.
Biden would have messed up several times if Trump would have just let him speak and dig a whole for himself. But Trump kept saving him by interrupting.
I got up and watched the debate at 0300 so I'd be fresh to watch it.
I have a few reactions to the debate that have not been voiced so far. First off, I think Biden did far better than I had anticipated. I'm not a Biden supporter by any means. I do don't think he won the debate by a long stretch. I do think he survived this debate. I don't think voting for Joe is going to collapse. However, that leads me into my second point: I think he did way to good a job of explaining himself and his policies. On issues like COVID, he's for way more governmental control than most people are willing to accept. I think he's much too divisive on issues of Race for it to be pallatable. I also think a good number of his responses (remarkably cogent as they were) were about a decade out of date.
Next, let me give you KYHillCHick's reaction: she could not get over Biden's eyes. She called them "demon eyes" and "X-Files eyes." I think they were just dialated pupils, probably from whatever bug juice they gave him so Joe didn't fall asleep at the podium. However, those eyes were a huge turnoff for the 'HillChick. I'm sure a bunch of other folks saw them too. I wasn't creeped out, but she was.
Whenever I hear "I'm going bring in a panel of experts . . ." or "we're going to assemble the best minds. . ." I understand exactly what's going down. The speaker doesn't have a clue, doesn't have a plan, and is filling the time with empty hoo-haw. If you go back to the debate transcript, you'll see Biden did a huge amount of this on issues of Law and Order and the Environment. I'm sorry. If you don't have a plan better than "form a committee" you're a doofus. It's no better than Obama's blue-freakin'-ribbon panels and fill-in-the-blank-summits. Last night was the time for big plans with bold strokes, The committees and the think tanks should have already concluded and a plan adopted.
Lastly: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, Joe. I suffered a major career meltdown during the Obama years. I went through 99 weeks of unemployment and still couldn't find a job. I had another bout of 26+ weeks unemployment just before Trump took office. I lost many $10's of thousands of dollars of wages in the Obama years and dramatically had to pull in my horns to make things work out. I had to take crappy jobs in crappy companies in crappy towns that were hours away from home. The last thing I need to hear out of Joe Biden's piehole is how great the economy was in the Obama years. Obama said my job was never coming back, Joe. His stinking "Affordable Care Act" health insurance cost me $5000 for first month's premiums. When I bitched about it, some social justice warrior told me that was paybacks for my white priviledge. My luck turned around just after Donald J. Trump took office, and it's been nothing but blue skies since. Joe, you and your turdboy president were a major source of unhappiness for 8 stinking years. Bite me, Joe!
Biden would have messed up several times if Trump would have just let him speak and dig a whole for himself. But Trump kept saving him by interrupting.
Exactly, Biden wanted to show control, and Trump made him success by a number of outburst, He should have beaten Biden with facts and his works only.
Problem is the conditioning that the Repuke party had been doing to its own for the last 60+ years is on full display in this thread.
This is a WAR gentleman for OUR COUNTRY.
Get over your delicate sensibilities.
I'll agree with you 100% But........my point is that Trump didn't need to talk over both Biden and Wallace, because all he had to do was to let Joe talk and hang himself. I think he actually helped Biden by not letting him say very much..............because everyone knows that when Biden starts talking, that's when he starts screwing up.
James don't take this as disrespectful but thats age, conditioning and culture filtering the prism through which you processed the debate.
The enemy (media/globalists) uses that against you in how they frame the messages you consume and millions of others in your age bracket as well.
Stating the obvious, Mr Trump is not a political animal in the DC politics arena, business politics he has down cold. Hiden was almost born in DC politics, he can stand up and make a showing with not a clue as to whats going on or what he should be doing.
Mr Trump works the presidency like it was his company, choose people for position and expect them to produce or hit the road.
The BS DC politic monster is strong. We've seen what lengths they will go to gain power. Mr Trump appeared to them as a easy kill but has proven a much more sturdy opponent than they perceived.
Public speaking/debate is not the Presidents strong hand, most if not all folks that lean right already know this and will blow off any failings he may have in that area. Sure, I wish he was better in that area but we have to run with what we have.
I'm hoping the left keeps on believing their polls and that fly over people are too stupid to see the socialists for what they are. I believe more folks realize what the left is and what they want for our country and will show up and vote against them.
I'm thinking President Trump did not prepare well. I believe that he thought Slow Joe would crap the bed. That did not happen. Biden's lies were laughable, but many will believe them. Biden is a good debater... just a sorry azz swamp creature. The President gets things done, but is a lousy speaker / debater. That said, TRUMP 2020.
Public speaking/debate is not the Presidents strong hand, most if not all folks that lean right already know this and will blow off any failings he may have in that area. Sure, I wish he was better in that area but we have to run with what we have.
The debate format is not his friend for sure. Put the two of them at either end of a table, no time limits, no moderator to interrupt, and Joes head would explode in 5 minutes.
Board room debates are an entirely different animal. And how schit gets done in business.
So........how much burnout is joe gonna have from the drugs they gave him? He off camera for how long?
It’s off to the basement for Hiden Biden. They probably won’t let him out for a month. He’s too much of a liability. And he won’t have Crissy Wallace around any more to speak for him.
Wallace played Jeff Dunham. Joe played the Dummy. Wallace needs to wipe the schitt off of his hand from having it so far up Joe’s ass.
Some of you are ate up with political correctness.
Trump was debating 2 people while Joe was debating one with help from his wires and his MOJO Lens. Trump never lied while the other debate team did. Trump by his tactics forced the other 2 into confusion with debate lines of "Shut up". Then their was the signal Trump gave................https://twitter.com/i/events/1311132414782050304........................https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1311131883292459008
So........how much burnout is joe gonna have from the drugs they gave him? He off camera for how long?
It’s off to the basement for Hiden Biden. They probably won’t let him out for a month. He’s too much of a liability. And he won’t have Crissy Wallace around any more to speak for him.
Wallace played Jeff Dunham. Joe played the Dummy. Wallace needs to wipe the schitt off of his hand from having it so far up Joe’s ass.
The leftist news media are having a fit this morning because Trump refused to condemn White Supremacy. What Trump did was to remind everyone that it's not White Supremacists who are the problem, it's ANTIFA, and although he didn't say so, BLM as well.
The whole thing was a schittttshow......Americans deserve better than this garbage.
Yup...
Just as it was planned. There was no intention of letting Trump get his message out and it was a plan to box him in.
The entire schiett show was designed to aggrivate Trump into stepping into the trap he adroitly avoided that Chris laid by asking him if he would agree to not declairing a win until the official (compromised) Officials declared a winner.
Read before the debate that the incumbent rarely does well in the first debate. He's usually over confident and fails to prepare. I think that's what we saw (in spades) last night and well as a president who's temperament is not suited to these types of debates.
Biden's team know this an I think will push hard for no more debates, but I think that won't happen. Trump will do better in the next one(s).
The leftist news media are having a fit this morning because Trump refused to condemn White Supremacy. What Trump did was to remind everyone that it's not White Supremacists who are the problem, it's ANTIFA, and although he didn't say so, BLM as well.
And all he had to do was condemn white supremacists to take that issue completely away from them.
The leftist news media are having a fit this morning because Trump refused to condemn White Supremacy. What Trump did was to remind everyone that it's not White Supremacists who are the problem, it's ANTIFA, and although he didn't say so, BLM as well.
And all he had to do was condemn white supremacists to take that issue completely away from them.
I didn’t see Biden or Wallace condemning BLM or ANTIFA
And I don’t see ANY “White Supremacists” burning and looting cities. Anywhere.
The whole thing was a schittttshow......Americans deserve better than this garbage.
Yup...
+1 That was an embarrassment for America. Neither of those 2 bumbling old fools could articulate a coherent thought. If that is all we can come up with for POTUS then heaven help us.
The overwhelming majority of people have already made up their minds, but there is apparently a small but very real fraction of "undecideds". Given how close elections have been they could be critical. Most of these undecideds are probably women.
Biden came prepared, what ever chemical jump start he got before the debate lasted the whole ninety minutes. The train wreck we all hoped for didn't happen.
I think President Trump came at Biden hard trying to make him stumble, he didn't, insulting Joe Biden does not play well in a debate, make President Trump look mean and petty, exactly what's gonna turn off women. Same thing with constantly interrupting Biden.
The positives going for the President are overwhelming, his record, this election is his to lose. Next time he needs to STFU with the insults and interruptions and clearly state the positives.
Finally, at this point nothing can be done about mail-in voting, its gonna happen. Only chance we have is vigilance, everywhere.
If you let Joe talk long enough, he says something stupid. Trump needs to “give him enough rope”. Don’t cut him off before he has the chance to say something REALLY stupid.
And Trump needs to smile more. Not smirk. Not scowl. Smile.....
i knew wallace was going to make himself the center of attention, what a joke
Wow, Beam me up Scottie! A FOX Wag just said that the voters have finally agreed on something. That this debate was pretty bad. FOX also said that the how to move to Canada sites are very busy this morning.
Like I said on one of the other threads; Wallace will surprise some folks. He asked the same questions to both candidates and tried to keep it to a two minute response. He had problems doing that. Both men talked over him but Trump interrupted the most. A lot of the Wallace follow-ups got lost because of the chaos.
I don’t doubt that afterwards, Chris needed a good stiff drink or two. I did.
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left."
Pretty hilarious when supposed grown men on a hunting forum are afraid of men who believe in the constitution, own firearms and shoot paint balls at terrorists burning down US cities.
i knew wallace was going to make himself the center of attention, what a joke
Wow, Beam me up Scottie! A FOX Wag just said that the voters have finally agreed on something. That this debate was pretty bad. FOX also said that the how to move to Canada sites are very busy this morning.
Like I said on one of the other threads; Wallace will surprise some folks. He asked the same questions to both candidates and tried to keep it to a two minute response. He had problems doing that. Both men talked over him but Trump interrupted the most. A lot of the Wallace follow-ups got lost because of the chaos.
I don’t doubt that afterwards, Chris needed a good stiff drink or two. I did.
a stiff drink and some midol.. Should we set up a gofundme. for your suffering?
i knew wallace was going to make himself the center of attention, what a joke
Wow, Beam me up Scottie! A FOX Wag just said that the voters have finally agreed on something. That this debate was pretty bad. FOX also said that the how to move to Canada sites are very busy this morning.
Like I said on one of the other threads; Wallace will surprise some folks. He asked the same questions to both candidates and tried to keep it to a two minute response. He had problems doing that. Both men talked over him but Trump interrupted the most. A lot of the Wallace follow-ups got lost because of the chaos.
I don’t doubt that afterwards, Chris needed a good stiff drink or two. I did.
Are you one of those types that need to listen to a debate to get energized to vote for a candidate ? LOL!
Sad day when a guy get get punched in the face by ol Joe.
I
lol Trump has been bending you guys over for four years. Four more are on the way and you know it... don't ya kiddo. By the time we're done with you losers, the only thing coming out of your mouth after the election will be "thank you sir, may I have another".
Oh, and just a reminder... Ruthie is dead and Amy will be your new justice. We're forcing that one down your throat too and yep, you will like that as well.
Sad day when a guy get get punched in the face by ol Joe.
I
lol Trump has been bending you guys over for four years. Four more are on the way and you know it... don't ya kiddo. By the time we're done with you losers, the only thing coming out of your mouth after the election will be "thank you sir, may I have another".
Oh, and just a reminder... Ruthie is dead and Amy will be your new justice. We're forcing that one down your throat too and yep, you will like that as well.
You old boomers do realize its possible to not support Cap'n Bone Spurs or ol Joe at the same time right?
Sad day when a guy get get punched in the face by ol Joe.
I
lol Trump has been bending you guys over for four years. Four more are on the way and you know it... don't ya kiddo. By the time we're done with you losers, the only thing coming out of your mouth after the election will be "thank you sir, may I have another".
Oh, and just a reminder... Ruthie is dead and Amy will be your new justice. We're forcing that one down your throat too and yep, you will like that as well.
You old boomers do realize its possible to not support Cap'n Bone Spurs or ol Joe at the same time right?
Glad to see you're already softening up and starting to like. That's good. It'll make what's coming easier for you.
[quote=callnum][quote=copperking81][quote=callnum]Cripes Fox News is even saying Biden won.
Hows that Democrat "Green New Deal" going to work out for Montanans in the 7 months of Winter when they have to heat their homes and all fossil fuels, gas stations and nuclear energy is outlawed?
The overwhelming majority of people have already made up their minds, but there is apparently a small but very real fraction of "undecideds". Given how close elections have been they could be critical. Most of these undecideds are probably women.
Biden came prepared, what ever chemical jump start he got before the debate lasted the whole ninety minutes. The train wreck we all hoped for didn't happen.
I think President Trump came at Biden hard trying to make him stumble, he didn't, insulting Joe Biden does not play well in a debate, make President Trump look mean and petty, exactly what's gonna turn off women. Same thing with constantly interrupting Biden.
The positives going for the President are overwhelming, his record, this election is his to lose. Next time he needs to STFU with the insults and interruptions and clearly state the positives.
Finally, at this point nothing can be done about mail-in voting, its gonna happen. Only chance we have is vigilance, everywhere.
Where would one go look for discarded ballots?
That's a good assessment. Trump just came off as bitter, angry, and mean and sure did no favors for himself with women voters; especially, undecided women voters..,Not sure who the morons are that are advising him, but the Trump that people like is the whitty, smart arse, straight shooter we see at his rallies...
On the other hand, after all the BS Trump has put up with the past 3 plus years, I really can't blame him for being a little bitter and angry...
[quote=callnum][quote=copperking81][quote=callnum]Cripes Fox News is even saying Biden won.
Hows that Democrat "Green New Deal" going to work out for Montanans in the 7 months of Winter when they have to heat their homes and all fossil fuels, gas stations and nuclear energy is outlawed?
lmao
Liberals don't think like that. They always think the government will figure it out for them..
i knew wallace was going to make himself the center of attention, what a joke
Wow, Beam me up Scottie! A FOX Wag just said that the voters have finally agreed on something. That this debate was pretty bad. FOX also said that the how to move to Canada sites are very busy this morning.
Like I said on one of the other threads; Wallace will surprise some folks. He asked the same questions to both candidates and tried to keep it to a two minute response. He had problems doing that. Both men talked over him but Trump interrupted the most. A lot of the Wallace follow-ups got lost because of the chaos.
I don’t doubt that afterwards, Chris needed a good stiff drink or two. I did.
a stiff drink and some midol.. Should we set up a gofundme. for your suffering?
He probably needs to fill out a “someone hurt my pussy” form too.
[quote=callnum][quote=copperking81][quote=callnum]Cripes Fox News is even saying Biden won.
Hows that Democrat "Green New Deal" going to work out for Montanans in the 7 months of Winter when they have to heat their homes and all fossil fuels, gas stations and nuclear energy is outlawed?
lmao
Just wait till they kill all the cows for farting methane gas. 🤪
For all the people who are upset about last night’s horrible debate, they should pause and ask themselves: wasn’t that just an accurate reflection of where we are as a nation? Two septuagenarians bashing each other with bursts of bombastic bullshittery and competing whatabouts is the content you will find on Facebook and cable news every single day. To the extent people are disappointed, remind yourself: these men both have nearly 90 percent ratings with the two largest political parties in America. They both bested huge fields of candidates to get their respective roles. This is the show you asked for, and you got it.
I rewatched the 2016 debates in anticipation of this one and one of the things you discover is that even as Hillary Clinton was consistently winning on points and substance, Donald Trump was winning the key moments that stood out. Along the way, while you may remember “you’d be in jail”, this was actually a substantive series of debates - including Chris Wallace’s! - where you learned things from both candidates and heard commitments about what they’d do as president.
This was not the case last night. From just a few minutes in, it was clear that Joe Biden was being Joe Biden - not the manufactured statesman who represents a return to normalcy and rising above the muck, but the pompous Delaware Senator who insults people, interrupts, refuses to engage, and engages in a milder Mid-Atlantic form of Trump’s New York bombast, repeatedly calling the president a “clown”, saying “shut up man”, and calling him “the worst president America has ever had” - far from the redemptive offering his prepackaged campaign has presented to the country. http://vlt.tc/4352
Perhaps there was nothing Wallace could have done in this situation, but his choice to engage repeatedly just didn’t work. It resulted in repeated instances of Biden talking for two minutes in which he’d throw out multiple claims about Trump, Trump would interrupt with a rejoinder, Wallace would tell Trump to stop talking, and then at the end of the two minutes Wallace would move on to the next question. Trump, infuriated, would bulldoze him and respond anyway. Biden would interrupt with his denial. And on and on.
The result was utterly unsatisfying. Rather than allow the two men to batter each other, Wallace kept trying to seize control. This is, in fairness, in his manner. Having done Fox News Sunday quite a lot during his tenure, I know that he runs one of the most strict panels in the business. He does not like cross-talk or interrupting, he wants order from his panelists, and he will quickly shut you down if you engage in that type of heated back and forth.
This is an old school approach to television panels, and not one that I personally favor because I think it’s less interesting than television where people can jump in and argue. But regardless of preference, it’s also one that just doesn’t work when you have not one but two candidates who don’t respect the rules and meander from subject to subject in avoidance of questions.
This isn’t to say I could’ve done a better job! Wallace’s position was untenable, equipped with a sequence of rules and agreed upon formats and segments that was blown out of the water. But when the candidates are beating the crap out of each other over an issue, you don’t get the plot back by insisting they shift to forest management and electric cars. And if you’re going to shut down the president by teasing a question that never comes, it should probably be on an issue of less significance than Roe v. Wade.
Most Republicans will probably go after Wallace for bias. http://vlt.tc/4355 That somewhat misses the point, which is that you can be biased and still moderate a good debate. That said, it’s impossible to avoid the biased nature of many of the questions asked last night. Wallace’s frame of Critical Race Theory as “racial sensitivity training” was particularly egregious. At a time when Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi are best-selling authors getting paid through the roof prices to spout their message, pretending those two things are the same requires a level of ignorance of the subject that is possible only if you still primarily read all the newspapers on paper.
It seems to me a better approach from Wallace would have been to tee up just one question for each segment and then give the candidates more time to batter each other on the subject with the occasional interjection to stick to the point. It’s harder in such a format to just say, as Biden did on packing the Supreme Court, “I'm not going to answer the question.” http://vlt.tc/4362 But that’s assuming that we retain this old-school solo moderator television format, with two minute answers followed by one minute responses, which seems so very tired to me. These old limitations are ridiculous in the age of unlimited bandwidth and three hour podcasts that are 100 million dollar media properties.
A big part of this problem is The Commission on Presidential Debates, which is a relic. Its board consists of Silent Generation and aged Boomer politicians - including one of JFK’s FCC appointees. The Commission's approach creates debates that are unintelligible and with moderators who cannot effectively extract the truth. They are asking 1980s questions in a 1970s format. It is the reason there are no internet based debates. Its executive director, the same since its inception, has led it since before the end of the Cold War.
The olds running the debates must end. The instant feedback poll from CBS News showed 83 percent of voters were dissatisfied, with just 17 percent positive about the debate - and that’s not just the fault of the candidates. http://vlt.tc/435l In an era where we get more enlightenment from Charlamagne Tha God interviews and Joe Rogan podcasts than Sunday morning sitdowns, it’s high time we would be much better off with longer answers and a debate format with a minimum of two moderators, one coming from the left and another from the right, asking questions of the candidates that more accurately frame the issues both sides care about. But so long as we have the Commission, that would be a bridge too far.
So, who benefits? It seems to me neither side benefits from last night’s debate, which is good for Joe Biden, because as I wrote yesterday, Donald Trump needs the debates to matter. The only degree to which it benefits Trump is that he successfully did the thing he always does: pull his opponents down into the muck with him. http://vlt.tc/435w “No actual transcription could possibly do justice to these 96 minutes of shouts, insults, interruptions, stray thoughts, and loose babble. It was like witnessing an argument about an arcane procedural rule during a senior bingo night at a nursing home in purgatory. It was vicious, tasteless, witless, and (surprisingly, alas) painfully unfunny.”
Biden’s denials on Hunter’s financial dealings, for instance, rang false when he seemed to fall back onto a “don’t come after my family, buster” attitude and then immediately went after Trump’s family. This muddles the issue and leads to outcomes like this, where 57 percent of people say it’s likely Biden and his inner circle have enriched themselves from his political career. http://vlt.tc/435d
Voters know what they’re getting now with both of these candidates as men, but they really don’t know what they’re getting from them as policies. Biden’s policy answers on the Green New Deal (it does work but he doesn’t support it?), on law and order (getting people in Portland to sit down and talk?), and on what he’d do to reopen (get PPE to schools and businesses but also lockdown until nationwide vaccine?) were particularly muddled, and that’s before you get to the more politically dramatic questions of packing the court and eliminating the filibuster.
Biden’s been winning to this point with that muddle by seeming above the fray, a return to the golden days of 2015. After this debate, it seems clearer that when questioned, this is not what he represents. Essentially, his answer is a non-answer, that Trump is bad and in his absence we will muddle through to normalcy. That does allow a critique of his campaign I would expect Trump to hammer in the next debate, which I assume is being moderated by that young up-and-comer Dan Rather.
i knew wallace was going to make himself the center of attention, what a joke
Wow, Beam me up Scottie! A FOX Wag just said that the voters have finally agreed on something. That this debate was pretty bad. FOX also said that the how to move to Canada sites are very busy this morning.
Like I said on one of the other threads; Wallace will surprise some folks. He asked the same questions to both candidates and tried to keep it to a two minute response. He had problems doing that. Both men talked over him but Trump interrupted the most. A lot of the Wallace follow-ups got lost because of the chaos.
I don’t doubt that afterwards, Chris needed a good stiff drink or two. I did.
Are you one of those types that need to listen to a debate to get energized to vote for a candidate ? LOL!
Where in the hell have you been for the past several elections?
The debate was a complete chidt show and I doubt it changed many minds. The majority of voters are locked in at this point.
I hope Trump, in the future, will talk more about all the civil and international unrest that he inherited and shut down. Things like Ferguson and ISIS etc.
The debate was a complete chidt show and I doubt it changed many minds. The majority of voters are locked in at this point.
I hope Trump, in the future, will talk more about all the civil and international unrest that he inherited and shut down. Things like Ferguson and ISIS etc.
[bleep], let Biden have his full 2 minutes on occasion, after about 30 seconds in you never know where he'll roll off to.
They both acted like 3rd graders. I'll still vote for Trump because he's the lesser of two evils and doesn't want to turn the USA into a communist shyt hole. I wish we had a better choice but we don't. Biden and all the Democrats are low down, filthy, lying communist scum. Anybody who would vote for them is a fuggin moron that doesn't deserve to live here.
The debate was a complete chidt show and I doubt it changed many minds. The majority of voters are locked in at this point.
I hope Trump, in the future, will talk more about all the civil and international unrest that he inherited and shut down. Things like Ferguson and ISIS etc.
[bleep], let Biden have his full 2 minutes on occasion, after about 30 seconds in you never know where he'll roll off to.
The leftist news media are having a fit this morning because Trump refused to condemn White Supremacy. What Trump did was to remind everyone that it's not White Supremacists who are the problem, it's ANTIFA, and although he didn't say so, BLM as well.
And all he had to do was condemn white supremacists to take that issue completely away from them.
Horse shixt. The Left's definition of white supremacy is any Republican or Conservative. Basically anybody that's not them.
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
"We've caught 'em. We caught them all. We've got it all on tape"
Might want to let your attorney general know, President Trump, and order him to do something about this coup d'etat attempt or else get somebody who will. Time is a-wasting.
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
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Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
Ah yes, another blowhard with everything figured out. Doesn’t matter that our President donates 100% of his salary and Biden donated 1% of his earnings to charities. Interesting.
Trump didn't help himself, hes got to shut up ..and let joe run the line out before he sets the hook...dammit WE missed it this time.....repeat >>> 45 years in office and now he can fix it the whole thing in 4.....and joe arm chair quarterbacking the cov19 5 months later...come on RNC get a grip!
The leftist news media are having a fit this morning because Trump refused to condemn White Supremacy. What Trump did was to remind everyone that it's not White Supremacists who are the problem, it's ANTIFA, and although he didn't say so, BLM as well.
And all he had to do was condemn white supremacists to take that issue completely away from them.
Horse shixt. The Left's definition of white supremacy is any Republican or Conservative. Basically anybody that's not them.
BINGO! ..anybody that steps up to defend the American way of life is a white supremacist racist pos.....thanks Chris Wallace!
The leftist news media are having a fit this morning because Trump refused to condemn White Supremacy. What Trump did was to remind everyone that it's not White Supremacists who are the problem, it's ANTIFA, and although he didn't say so, BLM as well.
And all he had to do was condemn white supremacists to take that issue completely away from them.
Horse shixt. The Left's definition of white supremacy is any Republican or Conservative. Basically anybody that's not them.
Tarquinius needs to realize that he needs to take a knee and renounce his shameful whiteness, his white privilege, the constitution, gun ownership , hunting and denounce the white state of Idaho first before he can begin his journey to a Marxist American paradise as laid out in the Democratic platform.
Tarquin’s too slow realize that as a white boomer male gun owner living in a white supremacist fly over red neck state like Idaho that he is the definition of “ racist white supremacy “
I’m sure a reasonable discussion with a Democrat like Biden or AOC will change their minds
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
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Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
Can’t erase history racist white male! Democrats founded and have run and retained close ties to the KKK over 150 years. We all understand your ignorance and hate Leroy you racist white clown. Lmao
Trump looked like Trump, which is entirely too much personality for many people. Joe looked OLD and his stuttering is an SNL skit if they had the balls to do it. Trump saved Joe a few times by interrupting, Joe was looking worse the more he talked. I think Trump could have buried him with a bit of restraint. I am not sure what an independent got out of it.
Biden would've had a hard time explaining g how he was going to grow the economy while shutting everything down at the same time. Wish trump would've offered him some of his time to try and explain that
"Ahhh maybe that was it- Trump speaking over everyone was to drown out the voice in Biden"s ear. "
"Yes, that, and also forcing Biden to respond in real-time. You can't listen and talk at the same time. I think Trump was trying to fluster Biden. I don't think that worked, but Biden didn't look confident. Trump was the alpha male."
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
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Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
You couldn’t fill out a 1040EZ, much less comprehend corporate tax law.
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
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Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
You couldn’t fill out a 1040EZ, much less comprehend corporate tax law.
If you say so, though I've been doing it for years. But continue to make up facts like your idol. He's the best at it.
Trump speaking over everyone was to drown out the voice in Biden"s ear.
"It also adds to the difficulty for whoever was feeding info to Biden. Those people needed to be able to hear what Trump said in order to respond, but they also had to feed Biden responses, and the faster pace and chaos would make it harder. Trying to tell someone else what to say and make sure they say it right, while simlutaneously listening to another person's wordy interruptions, is a lot more challenging.
Good thing they knew what was going to be asked... made it easier to just have a script you could pull from like the call center operators do—those little "chunks" of speech that are prewritten for responses to common questions."
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
Quote
Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
You couldn’t fill out a 1040EZ, much less comprehend corporate tax law.
If you say so, though I've been doing it for years. But continue to make up facts like your idol. He's the best at it.
Bullshit next thing you will tell us you have your own dojo and your motto is strike first, strike hard, no mercy
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
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Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
You couldn’t fill out a 1040EZ, much less comprehend corporate tax law.
If you say so, though I've been doing it for years. But continue to make up facts like your idol. He's the best at it.
Bullshit next thing you will tell us you have your own dojo and your motto is strike first, strike hard, no mercy
Believe whatever will make you happy, but don't be too surprised if you face plant when reality bites back.
I'd like him to reply just once the party of Segregation and the KKK is the Democratic party and they are using the minorities for personal enrichment.
Don't you think 150 yrs or so is long enough for the Republicans to ride on those coattails of their predecessors?
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Tax returns...uh OK lets discuss about how the net worth of the Pelosi and Biden or pick another 10 names got so much wealth on 100-200k a year while SERVING their districts for decades.. Explain that BS.
Always good to deflect. I'm sure Trumpster has been poking into their returns looking for ammunition and have found nothing. But $750 doesn't sound like too much for The Donster. I'm sure he can bear it, in his pauperous state.
You couldn’t fill out a 1040EZ, much less comprehend corporate tax law.
If you say so, though I've been doing it for years. But continue to make up facts like your idol. He's the best at it.
How old are you? And you're still doing your taxes on a 1040ez?
I wasn't too impressed with the debate and my first impression is that DJT is "an angry man". But, after reflecting on it for while I know he has the right to be angry. He has been the subject of one investigation after another and a phony impeachment by the House. I am also glad to have such a fighter and angry man who is defending America. He will fight tooth and nail to make America great. He won't put up with any bull$hit from the left. I With that in mind, Donald Trump won that debate. It required Joe to be on the defensive and showed America where his plan for America will be the beginning of the end for us.
I think DJT did a great job of showing that some people are so locked into their agenda that they will vote for an oafish, overaged toddler who can't control his tantrums. America has fallen so far, no matter who wins, the future is bleak with such citizens so easily cuckolded. Suckers and losers y'all are.
I wasn't too impressed with the debate and my first impression is that DJT is "an angry man". But, after reflecting on it for while I know he has the right to be angry. He has been the subject of one investigation after another and a phony impeachment by the House. I am also glad to have such a fighter and angry man who is defending America. He will fight tooth and nail to make America great. He won't put up with any bull$hit from the left. I With that in mind, Donald Trump won that debate. It required Joe to be on the defensive and showed America where his plan for America will be the beginning of the end for us.
Unfortunately, every time Biden started to babble and lose his train of thought, Trump would interrupt him. I wanted so bad to see him self destruct. He got a little tongue tied a few times, but he got cut off. I was yelling at the TV for Trump to let him go.
i knew wallace was going to make himself the center of attention, what a joke
Wow, Beam me up Scottie! A FOX Wag just said that the voters have finally agreed on something. That this debate was pretty bad. FOX also said that the how to move to Canada sites are very busy this morning.
Like I said on one of the other threads; Wallace will surprise some folks. He asked the same questions to both candidates and tried to keep it to a two minute response. He had problems doing that. Both men talked over him but Trump interrupted the most. A lot of the Wallace follow-ups got lost because of the chaos.
I don’t doubt that afterwards, Chris needed a good stiff drink or two. I did.
Most FOX pundits I have watched have given Trump a close win overall. I agree with them that Biden also got a win because he didn’t fold. So many on here said he would do that. And when that didn’t happen, Biden looked good or at least better than expected by default.
Trump had plenty of chances to let Biden hang himself, but couldn’t shut up long enough to let him do that.
Biden knows how to look directly into the camera and smile. That is how Sarah Palin used to connect and run the table.
No doubt, Trump has learned from this and will do better on Oct. 15. VP debate is next on Oct. 7.
Trump just doesn't know when to let someone else hang themself.
Ain't that the truth! But Joe knows how to let Donny do just exactly that - hang himself. The swing vote that will decide this election was NOT impressed, me thinks.
Trump just doesn't know when to let someone else hang themself.
Ain't that the truth! But Joe knows how to let Donny do just exactly that - hang himself. The swing vote that will decide this election was NOT impressed, me thinks.
Trump just doesn't know when to let someone else hang themself.
Ain't that the truth! But Joe knows how to let Donny do just exactly that - hang himself. The swing vote that will decide this election was NOT impressed, me thinks.
Keep the faith guys, 'cuz faith is all ya have.
You thought you would get to keep your dr and save $2500 a yr on health ins premiums, too.
You thought Hillary was going to win in 2016, too.
What if, when asked "do you condemn White supremacy?" the answer was given "I condemn White supremacy. I condemn black supremacy. I condemn Jewish supremacy...."
What if, when asked "do you condemn White supremacy?" the answer was given "I condemn White supremacy. I condemn black supremacy. I condemn Jewish supremacy...."
What if, when asked "do you condemn White supremacy?" the answer was given "I condemn White supremacy. I condemn black supremacy. I condemn Jewish supremacy...."
Can't wait til you get yourself into the next presidential debate, and kick ass like you're dreamin you could.
Disappointed in Trump during parts of this debate. He did have a couple of great one-liners and was on point with answering the questions. Where he really missed out was on several opportunities to just let Joe be Joe. As an arm chair quarterback I would suggest his team let's him give the creeper some breathing space. Normally in a title fight you get the guy on the ropes and don't let up but this is a different kind of opponent. Back off Sir, and let the man hang himself. No one wants to see an Alzheimer's patient get mugged, even if he is on some of the finest medical grade meth available. You, Mr. President, robbed not only yourself but the entire nation the exquisite opportunity to let 'Stammerin Joe' completely fall apart...I mean he did, just not to the extent he could have. If he can't talk, he can't gaffe.
That said, I will likely remain unsatisfied during this election on media refusal to follow up on some of the points made. Did Joe's son not get paid what can only be called an extraordinary salary to perform work that he was at best questionably qualified. If so, why? How did he get the jobs and what did he do while 'rendering' his services? Even with my personal delusions of grandeur I have not yet concocted a scenario where I could earn $50,000 or more per month. I mean that kid must be S-P-E-C-I-A-L. Joe should be PROUD to answer questions about how he deserved that kind of work and beat out the competition with his awesome skills.
Finally, It's perfectly fine to call out white supremacists. That contingent is like 5 guys that live in their mom's basement...or jail. OTOH Biden cannot call out the socialist ticket, he is too tied to it. Middle America is not knowingly up for all out communism. Try this "I completely condemn racist violence of any kind and white supremacy would certainly qualify. Say Joe, what is your stance on domestic terrorist organizations like ANTIFA?"
Trump made a big mistake by interrupting so much. He should have hung back and let JB run on.
Next time I hope he learns from his mistakes and lets JB dig his own grave. Once dug Trump can shovel in the dirt.
Let us hope T's handlers have the nerve to advise him to shut up and let B hang himself. And let us hope The T will have the sense to listen to his advisors. I have my doubts and fears.
Trump made a big mistake by interrupting so much. He should have hung back and let JB run on.
Next time I hope he learns from his mistakes and lets JB dig his own grave. Once dug Trump can shovel in the dirt.
Let us hope T's handlers have the nerve to advise him to shut up and let B hang himself. And let us hope The T will have the sense to listen to his advisors. I have my doubts and fears.
Trump never would have gotten elected if he listened to his advisers. They've been spouting the same crap like you're spouting... "don't interrupt", "don't be a meanie", "you'll offend the college educated commie suburb women", "you yell too much", etc.
Fugg that. Too many on our side think we're playing checkers while the left is playing knife fight. Thank god Trump knows that.
Trump made a big mistake by interrupting so much. He should have hung back and let JB run on.
Next time I hope he learns from his mistakes and lets JB dig his own grave. Once dug Trump can shovel in the dirt.
Let us hope T's handlers have the nerve to advise him to shut up and let B hang himself. And let us hope The T will have the sense to listen to his advisors. I have my doubts and fears.
Bingo, Donny seems to be floating adrift with no one at the Helm on the Sea of Delusion.
I'd hate to think how pissed he will be if they really do turn his Mic off at the next Debate.
He must make a major course correction before and during the next debate or he will lose bigly and uglery.
I say this as a friend and staunch Trump supported, one that would vote for him no matter what. The numbers do not look good. I'm worried, very worried
Trump made a big mistake by interrupting so much. He should have hung back and let JB run on.
Next time I hope he learns from his mistakes and lets JB dig his own grave. Once dug Trump can shovel in the dirt.
Let us hope T's handlers have the nerve to advise him to shut up and let B hang himself. And let us hope The T will have the sense to listen to his advisors. I have my doubts and fears.
Several on here have already said this...
Trump had plenty of chances to let Biden hang himself, but couldn’t shut up long enough to let him do that.
Biden knows how to look directly into the camera and smile. That is how Sarah Palin used to connect and run the table.
No doubt, Trump has learned from this and will do better on Oct. 15. VP debate is next on Oct. 7.
IMO the first debate was a debacle. Nobody won and no undecided voters were convinced to vote for either candidate. I expect Trump to do much better in the next debate. He had no idea what to expect from Wallace or Biden so he went out trying to land a knockout punch in the first round. Biden exceeded expectations but his handlers know he is in decline and might not hold up as well at the next debate. As many predicted, Wallace did not remain invisible and continually defended Biden. I really thought he would be more impartial but I was wrong. Trump became more agitated trying to debate both of them. My idea of America aligns more closely with Trump's idea of America than with Biden's