I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
Vanden Bossche obtained his DVM at the Veterinary Faculty of Ghent and his PhD in Virology at the University of Hohenheim, Stuttgart. Following his postdoctoral training in virology, immunology and molecular biology at the Free University of Berlin and Hohenheim (Germany), where he subsequently held adjunct faculty appointments, he transitioned to the Vaccine Industry where he served various senior roles in both early and late vaccine development at GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines & Diagnostics and Solvay Biologicals. He then joined the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to serve as SPO in Vaccine Discovery for Global Health. He is founder of UNIVAC llc in the US and UNIVAC NV in Belgium and visiting scientist at the REGA Institute, University of Leuven (Belgium). Geert is board certified in virology and microbiology, the author of over 30 publications, and inventor on several patent applications. He has presented vaccine- and adjuvant-related topics at multiple international congresses
As mentioned on your other thread...he ended with this....
Anyway, not as of now...
"Paradoxically, the only interventon that could ofer a perspectve to end this pandemic (other than to let it run its disastrous course) is …VACCINATION. Of course, the type of vaccines to be used would be completely diferent of conventonal vaccines in that they’re not inducing the usual suspects, i.e., B and T cells, but NK cells. There is, indeed, compelling scientfc evidence that these cells play a key role in facilitatng complete eliminaton of Covid-19 at an early stage of infecton in asymptomatcally infected subjects. NK cells are part of the cellular arm of our innate immune system and, alike natural Abs, they are capable of recognizing and atacking a broad and diversifed spectrum of pathogenic agents. There is a sound scientfc ratonale to assume that it is possible to ‘prime’ NK cells in ways for them to recognize and kill Coronaviruses at large (include all their variants) at an early stage of infecton. NK cells have increasingly been described to be endowed with the capacity to acquire immunological memory. By educatng these cells in ways that enable them to durably recognize and target Coronavirus-infected cells, our immune system could be perfectly armed for a targeted atack to the universe of Coronaviruses prior to exposure. As NK cell-based immune defense provides sterilizing immunity and allows for broadspectrum and fast protecton, it is reasonable to assume that harnessing our innate immune cells is going to be the only type of human interventon lef to halt the dangerous spread of highly infectous Covid-19 variants. If we, human beings, are commited to perpetuatng our species, we have no choice lef but to eradicate these highly infectous viral variants. This will, indeed, require large vaccinaton campaigns. However, NK cell-based vaccines will primarily enable our natural immunity to be beter prepared (memory!) and to induce herd immunity (which is exactly the opposite of what current Covid-19 vaccines do as those increasingly turn vaccine recipients into asymptomatc carriers who are shedding virus). So, there is not one second lef for gears to be switched and to replace the current killer vaccines by life-saving vaccines. I am appealing to the WHO and all stakeholders involved, no mater their convicton, to immediately declare such acton as THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN." Author: Geert Vanden Bossche, DVM, PhD (March 6, 2021) – https://www.linkedin.com/in/geertvandenbossche/
As mentioned on your other thread...he ended with this....
Anyway, not as of now...
"Paradoxically, the only interventon that could ofer a perspectve to end this pandemic (other than to let it run its disastrous course) is …VACCINATION
As mentioned on your other thread...he ended with this....
Anyway, not as of now...
"Paradoxically, the only interventon that could ofer a perspectve to end this pandemic (other than to let it run its disastrous course) is …VACCINATION
That is easily dismissed BS.
But he is supposedly an expert, which is why Jaguratx posted the link.....
Ditto! My wife works at a local elementary school and she's been getting pressured to get the vaccination and she's refused to the dismay of coworkers. She feels like it's almost to the point of harassment...
It is a gene therapy shot, not a vaccine. Hurriedly rushed thru and carefully " tested" to include the favorable and screen out or not include the unfavorable.
With 0 long term study...
Herd immunity is a better option. Many of us have already had the low level persistent Bio wpn the bucketheads developed and " accidentally" let loose......
Some of its goal has been accomplished by getting President Trump out of office and installing a patsy Liberal Socialist Democrat Govt with election fraud help per C19 excuses along with algorithms.
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
It is a gene therapy shot, not a vaccine. Hurriedly rushed thru and carefully " tested" to include the favorable and screen out or not include the unfavorable.
With 0 long term study...
Herd immunity is a better option. Many of us have already had the low level persistent Bio wpn the bucketheads developed and " accidentally" let loose......
Some of its goal has been accomplished by getting President Trump out of office and installing a patsy Liberal Socialist Democrat Govt with election fraud help per C19 excuses along with algorithms.
No shot for homie........
And pushed by DNC, Bill Gates, Fauci, MSM, Commies, CCP, tyrannical Govt, Leftist corksuckers,.....
Ditto! My wife works at a local elementary school and she's been getting pressured to get the vaccination and she's refused to the dismay of coworkers. She feels like it's almost to the point of harassment...
Some Americans are acting like Asians about mask wearing and vaccines...They like to Shame an Harass if you don't bow down and do as told or we are all in this together and need to come together.
Like the OP Ive got a elderly parent to take care of. My mom is 90, still living on her own but needs some help daily, lives 1/4 mile from us, so wife and I got the Vax. So did mom and she only had a slight rash on her arm. We didnt want to take any chances with her, when its her time to go fine but we just didnt want to be the catalyst on making that happen. Another reason we got it was we have 4 grandkids that we like to see about every 2-3 months and dont want to stop that, and our sons have been very concerned about them bringing it to us.
All that said we are at very low risk as we live in a rural area and I work 2-3 days a week alone, and wife is stay at home.
We got our 2nd dose of Moderna March 1 and neither have had any side effects. EXCEPT for my blank stare and hunger for live human flesh. Its not that bad (the flesh that is).
Like many others we believe that mask thing is useless....but were not being Aholes about it, we will wear one when the businesses we visit ask us to, most are small rural places and our friends so we respect their wishes.
I'd rather take my chances of getting this bug which doesn't appear to be nearly as life-threatening as what the masses have been brainwashed into believing, rather than get injected with a vial of who-knows-what, which will line many pockets.
It amazes me how many say "Oh, the shot wasn't that bad, just a little tenderness at the injection site."
I'm not worried about the short-term ouchies in my arm from a shot, I'm more worried about the longer term potential undiscovered aftereffects.
I don't need a third unexpected boob 5 years from now.
The unfortunate thing is, if you want to travel (over even state lines) I’d bet it going to be a requirement. Check stations at every border “I need to see your papers”
YES, All reports of COVID symptoms has been very fast and very strong. If you make it through them, you will probably recover. Many don't. That is more than enough reason for me to get the shot.
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
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Realize, the published and exposed work by the normal medical community has only dealt with treatment of very sick patients in hospital settings because that was what the govt and cdc wanted. They already failed us by NOT developing early treatment protocals to PREVENT disease progression to PREVENT hospitalization. Humm. Wonder why. Money, deaths and lockdowns.
Like the OP Ive got a elderly parent to take care of. My mom is 90, still living on her own but needs some help daily, lives 1/4 mile from us, so wife and I got the Vax. So did mom and she only had a slight rash on her arm. We didnt want to take any chances with her, when its her time to go fine but we just didnt want to be the catalyst on making that happen. Another reason we got it was we have 4 grandkids that we like to see about every 2-3 months and dont want to stop that, and our sons have been very concerned about them bringing it to us.
All that said we are at very low risk as we live in a rural area and I work 2-3 days a week alone, and wife is stay at home.
We got our 2nd dose of Moderna March 1 and neither have had any side effects. EXCEPT for my blank stare and hunger for live human flesh. Its not that bad (the flesh that is).
Like many others we believe that mask thing is useless....but were not being Aholes about it, we will wear one when the businesses we visit ask us to, most are small rural places and our friends so we respect their wishes.
Wife and I have not worn masks. You will find that businesses have those signs here mostly to appease the public. But they won't say a thing when you walk in without. Not even the post office has said a word.
The unfortunate thing is, if you want to travel (over even state lines) I’d bet it going to be a requirement. Check stations at every border “I need to see your papers”
I don't need papers to illegally enter this country anymore.
Why should they think I need papers to travel. Ain't gonna happen.
YES, All reports of COVID symptoms has been very fast and very strong. If you make it through them, you will probably recover. Many don't. That is more than enough reason for me to get the shot.
We know very few that have had many issues with this disease. We know a couple that have died but had very bad pre existing. We know a lot of 80-90 year olds survived it just fine.
We tend to do whats important all the time. Wash hands and stay away from others for the most part. Its been a long time since we've had any disease.
We know more than a few forced to or that wanted to wear masks all the time. That still got covid.
With such a low percentage of even getting it and such a high recovery rate we simply can't justify an unproven shot. Especially with all the issues on other shots over the years it simple doesn't make mathematical sense
I got the first dose, and will get the second in about 3 weeks
I know people that were healthy that died from complications of this virus....no left wing horse shiite here.
My sister-in-law, a healthy woman, was in the hospital for 3 days and went home with a respirator. My brother caught it and said he couldn't breathe for three days. He said it was a strange feeling, not that he was having trouble breathing but he just couldn't get any air, hard to explain.
Two young guys I work out with at the gym had it, said it was exceedingly horrible, and are getting the shot when they become eligible....
I could go on with horror stories and not BS, left wing propaganda, but stone cold fact..... The same as one will take his chances by not getting it, I'll do the opposite and roll the dice, after all it's free.
I got the first dose, and will get the second in about 3 weeks
I know people that were healthy that died from complications of this virus....no left wing horse shiite here.
My sister-in-law, a healthy woman, was in the hospital for 3 days and went home with a respirator. My brother caught it and said he couldn't breathe for three days. He said it was a strange feeling, not that he was having trouble breathing but he just couldn't get any air, hard to explain.
Two young guys I work out with at the gym had it, said it was exceedingly horrible, and are getting the shot when the become eligible....
I could go on with horror stories and not BS, left wing propaganda, but stone cold fact..... The same as one will take his chances by not getting it, I'll do the opposite and roll the dice, after all it's free.
Free? You really think this shot is free? Probably think the "stimulus" are free too.... nuts.
The unfortunate thing is, if you want to travel (over even state lines) I’d bet it going to be a requirement. Check stations at every border “I need to see your papers”
This is the basic problem with our government. I do not think a mask is necessary, but, at least here in Washington state, our governor can close down businesses that do not enforce the mask edict. I do not want the places that I go to be shut down, so I wear a mask, against my basic instincts. Same with the injections. I spend time with my brother every summer in Colorado, and I can see it coming that you have to have your "papers" in order to fly anywhere. It is almost like resistance is futile, as the large corporations are pushing the crap about the China flu.
The unfortunate thing is, if you want to travel (over even state lines) I’d bet it going to be a requirement. Check stations at every border “I need to see your papers”
Well that would be bad,but it wouldn't change my mind about taking the vaccine...I'll just stay in one place and not travel out of state anymore.I really don't have any reason or need to leave Louisiana if that's the way they wanna play.
I don't want it at ALL, but am scheduled for the first shot tomorrow. At some point you won't be allowed on a plane without it (I hate flying, but do fly home a lot). I also have a Canadian hunt that was rolled over to 2021 and something tells me once open, the Canadian border (if open at all) will require vaccinations.
I suspect the lower % J&J vaccine won't be deemed acceptable by Canadian policy, so am going with one of the others.
I know more people who have had severe and ongoing reactions to the vaccine than have been really sick or died from covid. There’s your answer. Happy Trails
Sitting here a week or 10 days into the rona. I'm glad I passed on the shot.
I had one day that I felt cold and took a shower. I coughed up some lung butter about 15 times in a week. I had a headache for about 4 hours. If the office didn't force me to test, I'd have never known as that symptom list is just part of me being alive.
I spent about $15 bux on vitamins and precautionary supplies and never felt as bad as my coworkers who took the shot.
If the Vax is to condition my body to fight the virus, is it not better to use the virus to get my body to learn on?
I can see why all the "sceptics" are dutifully rolling up their sleeves for the latest psychopath funded invention. Yup, " I am a sceptic. That is why I just willingly let the nice young man shoot me. " Just trust the psycho....... I mean the SCIENCE. 🙄
I can see why all the "sceptics" are dutifully rolling up their sleeves for the latest psychopath funded invention. Yup, " I am a sceptic. That is why I just willingly let the nice young man shoot me. " Just trust the psycho....... I mean the SCIENCE. 🙄
with out watching the video, I'd agree with reducing the population 4 times...
starting with him, Soros and guys like them...
then democRATS...
followed by a lot of these communist and third world dictatorships.. their leaders... and the ones that follow them...
the planet is full of people who are useless and expendable to society....
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
How many of you are going opt out?
Neither myself nor anybody in my household has gotten either shot nor will we be getting it.
I don't want it at ALL, but am scheduled for the first shot tomorrow. At some point you won't be allowed on a plane without it (I hate flying, but do fly home a lot).
I don't think that will be the case. The airlines would implode, requiring another, even bigger " stimulus " bill...a negative test in the preceding 72 hrs maybe....but I don't think they can swing the shot compliance.
I hope the mRNA shot works, but I've had too may people I know and trust , in the medical field, that are privately stating: look out for huge numbers of auto-immune disorders in the next 6-12 months.
I don't want it at ALL, but am scheduled for the first shot tomorrow. At some point you won't be allowed on a plane without it (I hate flying, but do fly home a lot). I also have a Canadian hunt that was rolled over to 2021 and something tells me once open, the Canadian border (if open at all) will require vaccinations.
I suspect the lower % J&J vaccine won't be deemed acceptable by Canadian policy, so am going with one of the others.
Good point. I wasn't planning on getting the shots but I am in the same boat as you with a deferred BC hunt. Just signed up.
So Happy Camper..... Do you live in Happy Camp CA? just a wondering...
No
I chose this name because this is the Camp fire. When I'm out at my huntn' camp, I'm one happy camper. Generally I'm that way even though I expose Gates for what he is. For the other post, I hope gates asks to be injected with a whole gallon of his Kool aid.
Ditto! My wife works at a local elementary school and she's been getting pressured to get the vaccination and she's refused to the dismay of coworkers. She feels like it's almost to the point of harassment...
They will probably force her to quit at some not so distant future. That should tell you something.
I would watch the 2 below video's and then make a choice.
I can see why all the "sceptics" are dutifully rolling up their sleeves for the latest psychopath funded invention. Yup, " I am a sceptic. That is why I just willingly let the nice young man shoot me. " Just trust the psycho....... I mean the SCIENCE. 🙄
with out watching the video, I'd agree with reducing the population 4 times...
starting with him, Soros and guys like them...
then democRATS...
followed by a lot of these communist and third world dictatorships.. their leaders... and the ones that follow them...
the planet is full of people who are useless and expendable to society....
The socialists/communists and other authoritarian governments killed more of their own native people than they did foreign soldiers. Some used bullets. Some starved even farmers of their own food with full time soldiers stationed in fields to make sure that they did not fill their pockets with their own grain. Others like the the Cambodian socialists used plastic bags over the adults heads. Now a guy who is into this as a philosophy and funds the drug companies.....Even the Camp can't wait to roll up their sleeves. This is unreal. Here's a good basic overview of the history on the subject if you want to watch it later. I thought you might like it.
If they are going to require you to prove you've been jabbed with this experimental synthetic gene therapy in order to cross over into another country or fly a commercial airline, or any commercial transportation, what is next? Buying and selling? That in itself should make any American sit up and take notice. As was stated above, it is not the short term affect you should be worried about but the unknown long term affect. Also, with the studies they did do, NOT ONE ANIMAL LIVED.
Ditto! My wife works at a local elementary school and she's been getting pressured to get the vaccination and she's refused to the dismay of coworkers. She feels like it's almost to the point of harassment...
They will probably force her to quit at some not so distant future. That should tell you something.
I would watch the 2 below video's and then make a choice.
Bite em said about the chinese, " They own us." That might be one reason why he is pushing everyone to be.....get the shot. I can't get over how obedient hunters and sportsmen comply. If there's ever a socialist takeover, they must realize that nobody will stand in their way.
Ditto! My wife works at a local elementary school and she's been getting pressured to get the vaccination and she's refused to the dismay of coworkers. She feels like it's almost to the point of harassment...
They will probably force her to quit at some not so distant future. That should tell you something.
I would watch the 2 below video's and then make a choice.
Bite em said about the chinese, " They own us." That might be one reason why he is pushing everyone to be.....get the shot. I can't get over how obedient hunters and sportsmen comply. If there's ever a socialist takeover, they must realize that nobody will stand in their way.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Fear sells.
How many threads on this topic will it take before the anti-vaxers STFU. It's still a free country, do as you please based upon what you believe. And I'm well aware that anti-vaxers have the right to free speech, just gets tiresome hearing their reasons for their choice. Won't influence those who choose to get the vaccine anymore than their viewpoint will change an anti-vaxer's mind.
Ditto! My wife works at a local elementary school and she's been getting pressured to get the vaccination and she's refused to the dismay of coworkers. She feels like it's almost to the point of harassment...
They will probably force her to quit at some not so distant future. That should tell you something.
I would watch the 2 below video's and then make a choice.
Bite em said about the chinese, " They own us." That might be one reason why he is pushing everyone to be.....get the shot. I can't get over how obedient hunters and sportsmen comply. If there's ever a socialist takeover, they must realize that nobody will stand in their way.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Fear sells.
The sad thing is that many of us news available to us beyond the big $ propaganda outlets. We know the scam. In spite of that, we..no.....rather they are scared to not be obedient to the scammers. I care about my people, or I'd just keep my mouth shut and go along to get along.
If they are going to require you to prove you've been jabbed with this experimental synthetic gene therapy in order to cross over into another country or fly a commercial airline, or any commercial transportation, what is next? Buying and selling? That in itself should make any American sit up and take notice. As was stated above, it is not the short term affect you should be worried about but the unknown long term affect. Also, with the studies they did do, NOT ONE ANIMAL LIVED.
As well as Jgray and others,
You have my respect sirs. You lead your wives and care about them more than the extra income coming in at this economically perilous time.
I believe the others care too. But I've made my case as to why I believe its foolish to follow the powers that should not be into that ditch.
Nope, and I was in the first group to be offered it here in Colorado back in December. Im in no hurry to get a shot of who knows what to protect me from something Im not scart of.
How many threads on this topic will it take before the anti-vaxers STFU. It's still a free country, do as you please based upon what you believe. And I'm well aware that anti-vaxers have the right to free speech, just gets tiresome hearing their reasons for their choice. Won't influence those who choose to get the vaccine anymore than their viewpoint will change an anti-vaxer's mind.
If it gets tiresome just don’t click; no one is forcing you to read.
Ps- I do like the mischaracterization tho; anti-Vaxer sounds more extreme than “concerned about a shot that got rushed along”.
I suspect the response rate from the NO folks is higher than the YES folks on a thread like this. It would be interesting to know how many of the "NO's" have voluntarily gotten flu shots at least 3 of the last 5 years. That might help to clarify attitudes about this particular vaccine vs vaccines in general.
I suspect the response rate from the NO folks is higher than the YES folks on a thread like this. It would be interesting to know how many of the "NO's" have voluntarily gotten flu shots at least 3 of the last 5 years. That might help to clarify attitudes about this particular vaccine vs vaccines in general.
I see no compelling reason to risk getting a mRNA shot. It is not a vaccine, does not prevent you from catching the 'rona, and there are side effects. I will NOT be getting 'the shot' The folks that have lied to us from the beginning about covid, are the same ones telling us that it's safe, and we need to get it.
I get a flu shot every year. Those are actual vaccines, are known to be safe, and known to work.
I try to be pragmatic. I don't believe masks do anything positive (other than allow ugly people to be more comfortable in public), but I wear them when I am forced to. IF I am only allowed to fly to see my mom in the nursing home if I have the vaccine, then I'll do it. If, however, I find a way around the requirement, I'll do whatever it takes to get around the requirement. Never underestimate the clever ways a (((lawyer))) with a strong dislike of government can get around rules (not that I am saying I'll be successful, but I'll sure give it a try).
No COVID-19 "vaccines" for me ( never had the flu or a flu shot). I haven't had any vaccines since I was in the military many years ago other than an occasional tetanus shot.
After careful consideration, I have decided that health care professionals such as Dr. Fauci, my family physician and pharmacists just may know more about vaccines than most folks on this site. That and having had a family member who contracted Polio as a child has led me to understand being inoculated against disease such as Smallpox, Polio, etc. carries a insignificant risk compared to the disease itself.
How many threads on this topic will it take before the anti-vaxers STFU. It's still a free country, do as you please based upon what you believe. And I'm well aware that anti-vaxers have the right to free speech, just gets tiresome hearing their reasons for their choice. Won't influence those who choose to get the vaccine anymore than their viewpoint will change an anti-vaxer's mind.
Yes, and just how many threads will it take? People are asking this because they want answers and they are scared, I don't blame them. I wouldn't say a thing about this if it truly was a vaccine. Sure, I know they say it is.....at times.....but then they admit it is synthetic gene therapy. That is not a vaccine, plus I don't want someone experimenting with my genes that I was issued when I came to this planet. I doubt seriously if a Scientist could improve them. Then there's the fact that this "Chinese virus" was manmade and turned loose on us and you want us to accept that their gene therapy shot will work even when the test animals all died? The problem with what you are indicating is the fact that there is zero rebuttals in the Main Stream Media concerning this subject, so if there is no push back by the Media how can you make a clear choice? The information is tainted and there are lots of folks that know this. And now they are starting tell people you must get this shot or you can't travel with the possibility of this extreme going further. All this for an alleged virus that has a .001% of being fatal. Now add to all of this the fact that many people are now saying they don't trust the Government, they don't trust the Media, they don't trust big Pharma and you tell folks that have extreme doubts about the shot to STFU! And you can add this to the equation and tell us how anyone can make a clear and concise decision whether to take the synthetic gene therapy shot or not........................GlaxoSmithKline owns Wuhan Laboratories, Glaxo owns 68% of Pfizer the Vaccine shot producer. Pfizer manages the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock owns 8% of Pfizer and 6.8% of AstraZeneca also a Covid 19 Shot producer. Black Rock has a prtnership with Thomas Reuters. Thomas Reuters created Fact Check that is used on Social Media. This is just a partial of who owns who.
After careful consideration, I have decided that health care professionals such as Dr. Fauci, my family physician and pharmacists just may know more about vaccines than most folks on this site. That and having had a family member who contracted Polio as a child has led me to understand being inoculated against disease such as Smallpox, Polio, etc. carries a insignificant risk compared to the disease itself.
Are you seriously comparing covid to polio and smallpox?
After careful consideration, I have decided that health care professionals such as Dr. Fauci, my family physician and pharmacists just may know more about vaccines than most folks on this site. That and having had a family member who contracted Polio as a child has led me to understand being inoculated against disease such as Smallpox, Polio, etc. carries a insignificant risk compared to the disease itself.
Are you seriously comparing covid to polio and smallpox?
Are you seriously comparing the testing done on polio and smallpox vaccines(FDA Approved) and The Corona Vaccine(FDA Authorized Emergency Use)????
GlaxoSmithKline owns Wuhan Laboratories, Glaxo owns 68% of Pfizer the Vaccine shot producer. Pfizer manages the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock owns 8% of Pfizer and 6.8% of AstraZeneca also a Covid 19 Shot producer. Black Rock has a prtnership with Thomas Reuters. Thomas Reuters created Fact Check that is used on Social Media. This is just a partial of who owns who.
Glaxo doesn’t own Wuhan lab. Glaxo doesn’t own 68% of Pfizer. Phizer does not manage the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock does own ~ 8% of Pfizer.
Where does this [bleep] come from? These are easily verifiable statements; why do we feel the need to propagate bullshit? That is something we excoriate the left for doing; so why do we feel it is ok to do the same?
"health care professionals such as Dr. Fauci, my family physician and pharmacists"
Fauci is only a professional in his mind. He's in the drug business just like the pharmacists are. If your family physician is part of a clinic that has a lot of physicians part of their job appraisal is the number of drugs they prescribe, how many lab tests they order and how many vaccines they give. My physician told me they are under a lot of pressure to meet the goals that are set for them.
I got the Moderna shot 3 weeks ago and I still feel sick. Fatigue and depression. It is not as bad as it was 2 weeks ago, but still bad.
I won't get the second shot and I wish I hadn't gotten the first one.
I never get the flu shot. In the summer they have to predict which species of flu will hit us and they make a vaccine for that type of flu. Half the time they guess wrong and the shot is useless. I did get the two shingles shots.
This is long but worth it. I got more understanding about how the shots were introduced and potential fails involved making everyone participate in phase 3 trials.
The Covid “vaccines” are NOT vaccines. They modify your Genes/DNA. It is a mRNA cellular level modification that can’t be reversed. Our DNA structure is what makes us human, and these shots are an attempt to change that and also destroy our immune system. They will give you an auto-immune disorder somewhat like AIDS. Not only have many thousands of people already died from the shots, but MANY more will die in the long term. My nurse at the VA told me she will never take the jab, because her 35yr old cousin (perfectly healthy) became sick and died just days after getting the jab. Bill Gates is not a scientist, much less an MD. Fauci is a fraud. The CDC is privately owned. Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued (thanks to congressional bill passed). My middle son became autistic after a MMR vaccine that my ex insisted on. Do your research folks. Once you take the jab, it’s kind of like a bullet that leaves the barrel; you can’t take it back...
GlaxoSmithKline owns Wuhan Laboratories, Glaxo owns 68% of Pfizer the Vaccine shot producer. Pfizer manages the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock owns 8% of Pfizer and 6.8% of AstraZeneca also a Covid 19 Shot producer. Black Rock has a prtnership with Thomas Reuters. Thomas Reuters created Fact Check that is used on Social Media. This is just a partial of who owns who.
Glaxo doesn’t own Wuhan lab. Glaxo doesn’t own 68% of Pfizer. Phizer does not manage the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock does own ~ 8% of Pfizer.
Where does this [bleep] come from? These are easily verifiable statements; why do we feel the need to propagate bullshit? That is something we excoriate the left for doing; so why do we feel it is ok to do the same?
I try to be pragmatic. I don't believe masks do anything positive (other than allow ugly people to be more comfortable in public), but I wear them when I am forced to. IF I am only allowed to fly to see my mom in the nursing home if I have the vaccine, then I'll do it. If, however, I find a way around the requirement, I'll do whatever it takes to get around the requirement. Never underestimate the clever ways a (((lawyer))) with a strong dislike of government can get around rules (not that I am saying I'll be successful, but I'll sure give it a try).
Please share your work around when you figure it out!
The Covid “vaccines” are NOT vaccines. They modify your Genes/DNA. It is a mRNA cellular level modification that can’t be reversed. Our DNA structure is what makes us human, and these shots are an attempt to change that and also destroy our immune system. They will give you an auto-immune disorder somewhat like AIDS. Not only have many thousands of people already died from the shots, but MANY more will die in the long term. My nurse at the VA told me she will never take the jab, because her 35yr old cousin (perfectly healthy) became sick and died just days after getting the jab. Bill Gates is not a scientist, much less an MD. Fauci is a fraud. The CDC is privately owned. Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued (thanks to congressional bill passed). My middle son became autistic after a MMR vaccine that my ex insisted on. Do your research folks. Once you take the jab, it’s kind of like a bullet that leaves the barrel; you can’t take it back...
The Covid “vaccines” are NOT vaccines. They modify your Genes/DNA. It is a mRNA cellular level modification that can’t be reversed. Our DNA structure is what makes us human, and these shots are an attempt to change that and also destroy our immune system. They will give you an auto-immune disorder somewhat like AIDS. Not only have many thousands of people already died from the shots, but MANY more will die in the long term. My nurse at the VA told me she will never take the jab, because her 35yr old cousin (perfectly healthy) became sick and died just days after getting the jab. Bill Gates is not a scientist, much less an MD. Fauci is a fraud. The CDC is privately owned. Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued (thanks to congressional bill passed). My middle son became autistic after a MMR vaccine that my ex insisted on. Do your research folks. Once you take the jab, it’s kind of like a bullet that leaves the barrel; you can’t take it back...
The unfortunate thing is, if you want to travel (over even state lines) I’d bet it going to be a requirement. Check stations at every border “I need to see your papers”
Some States have thousands of cars coming in by the hour, and they are going to stop them and ask for papers..some States you cross into at 70MPH and they are going to slow it down for papers.
How many threads on this topic will it take before the anti-vaxers STFU. It's still a free country, do as you please based upon what you believe. And I'm well aware that anti-vaxers have the right to free speech, just gets tiresome hearing their reasons for their choice. Won't influence those who choose to get the vaccine anymore than their viewpoint will change an anti-vaxer's mind.
If it gets tiresome just don’t click; no one is forcing you to read.
Ps- I do like the mischaracterization tho; anti-Vaxer sounds more extreme than “concerned about a shot that got rushed along”.
Just got the second Pfizer shot. I'll trust the reports from Israel that say there hasn't been a Covid death among those vaccinated. There's a chance the vaccine makes me sick but there's also a good chance it keeps me alive if I did catch Covid.
Shot records are manually written in a paper notebook and not centralized to the Federal Government....and will be over 100,000,000 plus....the patient record is a piece of paper than can be reproduced by a smart 10 year old..
Yep, show me your papers as you cross State lines..hilarious
Plants or kids, because if it is Conservative adults, the country doesn’t stand a chance..we have waded way too deep into the stupid pool..
More than a few here are so easy, a plant wouldn’t even have to try hard...
My wife got the first dose and is leery of getting the second now,I am going to wait, If this is still an issue this fall ,,,maybe. I do have a feeling somehow,someway they will force it,insurance,flights,travel etc...
The Covid “vaccines” are NOT vaccines. They modify your Genes/DNA. It is a mRNA cellular level modification that can’t be reversed. Our DNA structure is what makes us human, and these shots are an attempt to change that and also destroy our immune system. They will give you an auto-immune disorder somewhat like AIDS. Not only have many thousands of people already died from the shots, but MANY more will die in the long term. My nurse at the VA told me she will never take the jab, because her 35yr old cousin (perfectly healthy) became sick and died just days after getting the jab. Bill Gates is not a scientist, much less an MD. Fauci is a fraud. The CDC is privately owned. Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued (thanks to congressional bill passed). My middle son became autistic after a MMR vaccine that my ex insisted on. Do your research folks. Once you take the jab, it’s kind of like a bullet that leaves the barrel; you can’t take it back...
Hey Ruger,
Never let the name callers get to you. There's no way you would make up a lie about your son becoming autistic from the Measles Mumps, Rubella shot. I believe you as I believe the parents who's children I have met from that sad life changing fate. I would not want to be in the shoes of anyone mocking you for having to go through that. I know what that is like, so I let God deal with those kind. ...and He does.
Some of those nurses at the VA are worth their weight in gold. Others try to separate family members to get hold of the patient. You have to watch they don't stab you in the back.... Quite literally. Watch your 6 and trust in the good Lord. ☕ 😎 👍
GlaxoSmithKline owns Wuhan Laboratories, Glaxo owns 68% of Pfizer the Vaccine shot producer. Pfizer manages the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock owns 8% of Pfizer and 6.8% of AstraZeneca also a Covid 19 Shot producer. Black Rock has a prtnership with Thomas Reuters. Thomas Reuters created Fact Check that is used on Social Media. This is just a partial of who owns who.
Glaxo doesn’t own Wuhan lab. Glaxo doesn’t own 68% of Pfizer. Phizer does not manage the finances of Black Rock. Black Rock does own ~ 8% of Pfizer.
Where does this [bleep] come from? These are easily verifiable statements; why do we feel the need to propagate bullshit? That is something we excoriate the left for doing; so why do we feel it is ok to do the same?
Really? Who says, Reuters or snopes.
These are publicly traded companies. It’s public record.
Nobody really knows do they. I had the China Virus and do not want it again. I had my first shot without any after effects. My 2 sisters, my brother and their spouses have had 2 of the Pfizer shots without any after effects at all. I did have my anti bodies checked yesterday and was told I had as many as anybody that they have checked. I will put off my second shot until or after my anti body count gets low. Nobody definitely knows how long that I'll be immune from having the China or how long my shot will help. Yes I get a flu shot every year, shingles, and am up to date on all others. If some of you don't want the shot, that is your decision and not anybody else's..
I don't want it at ALL, but am scheduled for the first shot tomorrow. At some point you won't be allowed on a plane without it (I hate flying, but do fly home a lot). I also have a Canadian hunt that was rolled over to 2021 and something tells me once open, the Canadian border (if open at all) will require vaccinations.
I suspect the lower % J&J vaccine won't be deemed acceptable by Canadian policy, so am going with one of the others.
This is exactly why I am getting it.
I had COVID, it wasn't bad for me at all. Quarantining for 10 days from work was the real pain in the ass.
I'm no conspiracy theorist and had a conversation with my primary care doctor about getting it. I trust him implicitly and will be getting it.
Am I thrilled about it? Hell no but if getting people vaccinated helps end this damn thing I'm all for it.
I got my 2 shots, wife is getting her 2nd one tomorrow, rest of the family is in the process of completing round 2 of their shots also. But hell, we all get flu shots every year too. We don't get sick. I'll leave it at that and let you all draw your own conclusions and make up your own minds. Ain't it great living in America???
Like I said in an earlier post I got the shot and no side effects except the blank stare and the craving for live human flesh...problem is those that got the shot taste like sheeeeit!
What?...WHAT?? I thought Ivermectin was the silver bullet. Now what do you expect us to do, listen to our doctor or pharmacist? Over some guy on a gun website? C'mon, man!
Am I thrilled about it? Hell no but if getting people vaccinated helps end this damn thing I'm all for it.
That bothers me more than anything and you are not the only one toting that thinking. So the numbers were already falling before hardly anyone was vaccinated but life can’t go back to normal until everyone gets a shot of pharma magic in their arm???
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
How many of you are going opt out?
Do what you want to do. This site is the last place in the world where I'd ask anyone for advice on a personal matter, and whether you take or don't take a shot is a personal choice.
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
How many of you are going opt out?
Do what you want to do. This site is the last place in the world where I'd ask anyone for advice on a personal matter, and whether you take or don't take a shot is a personal choice.
Time will tell who among us made the better personal choice & better choice for the herd. Ill be getting the first shot this week. Of the people I have known that caught covid, 2 with pre existing conditions were snuffed out. My personal doctor who is in his late fifties was hit hard for a solid three months. He is now back working in the clinic half days as he is not up to a full day yet, 5 months later.
I have had it & have had natural immunity & feel I am ready for a booster w the vaccine. Hit me some what hard. 3 weeks later my lung function was still quite compromised.
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
How many of you are going opt out?
Do what you want to do. This site is the last place in the world where I'd ask anyone for advice on a personal matter, and whether you take or don't take a shot is a personal choice.
Time will tell who among us made the better personal choice & better choice for the herd. Ill be getting the first shot this week. Of the people I have known that caught covid, 2 with pre existing conditions were snuffed out. My personal doctor who is in his late fifties was hit hard for a solid three months. He is now back working in the clinic half days as he is not up to a full day yet, 5 months later.
I have had it & have had natural immunity & feel I am ready for a booster w the vaccine. Hit me some what hard. 3 weeks later my lung function was still quite compromised.
If you have t-cell immunity why would you subject yourself to the vaccine?
the most striking thing is that people actually are so overcome with fear, that they will do anything they are told, take anything they are told to take, and still have faith in the same folks that they KNOW have been lying go them for years.
the most striking thing is that people actually are so overcome with fear, that they will do anything they are told, take anything they are told to take, and still have faith in the same folks that they KNOW have been lying go them for years.
It's sad, but maybe I've once again overestimated the human spirit.
Thanks for the kind words brother. I don’t let the sheeple get to me, I just try to educate who I can. I’ve had a few people wake up, so at least I might have saved a few lives! As a combat vet, I always keep an eye on my 6. You take care too; these are becoming treacherous times
the most striking thing is that people actually are so overcome with fear, that they will do anything they are told, take anything they are told to take, and still have faith in the same folks that they KNOW have been lying go them for years.
Getting the vaccine is the final step in accepting the last 12 months of indoctrination.
There are poor boys like me that have a $10K deposit on a $25K 16 day BC goat, moose and elk hunt that have been moved from last year to this year and, who knows maybe next year, that are hedging our bet that it the north border opens some "spec" will be required. That "spec" being "virus" shots. I guess I can toss the deposit and watch critters in my yard...
the most striking thing is that people actually are so overcome with fear, that they will do anything they are told, take anything they are told to take, and still have faith in the same folks that they KNOW have been lying go them for years.
This is true. Suckers riding bikes cross country wearing masks. I bet LeRoy wears one taking a shower.
Just got notified my 1st round Pfizer shot is out at Ft Chaffee on April 5th 2021, i got shot with a damn gun on April 5th 1991, you can not make this shlt up!
Getting the vaccine is the final step in accepting the last 12 months of indoctrination.
There are poor boys like me that have a $10K deposit on a $25K 16 day BC goat, moose and elk hunt that have been moved from last year to this year and, who knows maybe next year, that are hedging our bet that it the north border opens some "spec" will be required. That "spec" being "virus" shots. I guess I can toss the deposit and watch critters in my yard...
It's all leverage. You're being leveraged. I'd not forfeit my rights for $10k.
I was OK to see my Dad get vaccinated, he is healthy 92. Why not. I figured on getting one ASAP. Now I am eligible to schedule an appointment for one, and can't seem to make the call. My gut tells me It's all a crock of sh it. Trusting any numbers published is suspect. Even a % of front line heath care workers seem to be declining the vaccine. Thinking on just saying fugg it.
How many of you are going opt out?
Do what you want to do. This site is the last place in the world where I'd ask anyone for advice on a personal matter, and whether you take or don't take a shot is a personal choice.
This site has more truthful information than the CDC, WHO, Fauci and MSM.
Sites like this are why our forefathers fought and died for our 1A.
Getting the vaccine is the final step in accepting the last 12 months of indoctrination.
There are poor boys like me that have a $10K deposit on a $25K 16 day BC goat, moose and elk hunt that have been moved from last year to this year and, who knows maybe next year, that are hedging our bet that it the north border opens some "spec" will be required. That "spec" being "virus" shots. I guess I can toss the deposit and watch critters in my yard...
It's all leverage. You're being leveraged. I'd not forfeit my rights for $10k.
If you gave your word to a Woman for better or worse, sickness and health, and she had to get a shot for a med industry job she has 30 years vested in and loves it because she's good and loves helping people, AND, you wanted to hunt Africa with her as many times as you can, would you then?
Getting the vaccine is the final step in accepting the last 12 months of indoctrination.
There are poor boys like me that have a $10K deposit on a $25K 16 day BC goat, moose and elk hunt that have been moved from last year to this year and, who knows maybe next year, that are hedging our bet that it the north border opens some "spec" will be required. That "spec" being "virus" shots. I guess I can toss the deposit and watch critters in my yard...
It's all leverage. You're being leveraged. I'd not forfeit my rights for $10k.
If you gave your word to a Woman for better or worse, sickness and health, and she had to get a shot for a med industry job she has 30 years vested in and loves it because she's good and loves helping people, AND, you wanted to hunt Africa with her as many times as you can, would you then?
What does your wife consenting to the vaccine under pressure from her employer have to do with your choice?
I'm thinking international travel will require it Jag, that's okay, like i said, i gave my word and signed a contract with that Girl, if it kills us so be it, if i say my prayers right maybe we'll both wake up together, if not, idgaf, never been afraid to die, that only bothers high iq folk that think too much!
Plus, i've already SEEN and LIVED every damn thing.
Getting the vaccine is the final step in accepting the last 12 months of indoctrination.
There are poor boys like me that have a $10K deposit on a $25K 16 day BC goat, moose and elk hunt that have been moved from last year to this year and, who knows maybe next year, that are hedging our bet that it the north border opens some "spec" will be required. That "spec" being "virus" shots. I guess I can toss the deposit and watch critters in my yard...
It's all leverage. You're being leveraged. I'd not forfeit my rights for $10k.
If you gave your word to a Woman for better or worse, sickness and health, and she had to get a shot for a med industry job she has 30 years vested in and loves it because she's good and loves helping people, AND, you wanted to hunt Africa with her as many times as you can, would you then?
What does your wife consenting to the vaccine under pressure from her employer have to do with your choice?
For better or worse, i wont leave her out there alone.
There've been too many lies. With all the bûllshit we've been sold, I'm not convinced COVID (19) and the mass application of novel gene therapies (pitched as vaccines) are the exception.
There've been too many lies. With all the bûllshit we've been sold, I'm not convinced COVID (19) and the mass application of novel gene therapies (pitched as vaccines) are the exception.
I can agree with that, but, in our ever expanding self serving belly's, we have to make sure some real guts still reside there, i made a deal with her Sir, and i'll keep it, i dont mind at all.
There've been too many lies. With all the bûllshit we've been sold, I'm not convinced COVID (19) and the mass application of novel gene therapies (pitched as vaccines) are the exception.
I can agree with that, but, in our ever expanding self serving belly's, we have to make sure some real guts still reside there, i made a deal with her Sir, and i'll keep it, i dont mind at all.
What deal? It sounded like you were talking about your wedding vows. I must be misunderstanding.
There've been too many lies. With all the bûllshit we've been sold, I'm not convinced COVID (19) and the mass application of novel gene therapies (pitched as vaccines) are the exception.
I can agree with that, but, in our ever expanding self serving belly's, we have to make sure some real guts still reside there, i made a deal with her Sir, and i'll keep it, i dont mind at all.
What deal? It sounded like you were talking about your wedding vows. I must be misunderstanding.
No misunderstanding at all, it was a deal:
For better or worse
In sickness and health
Gave my word to Her, in front of a a preacher, friends and family, to God if he was listening, a man has to keep and honor that, iis my pleasure, i'm not scared buddy, i kill germs ; ]
I of course know you weren't there, but akin to the 35 year old stone fox single girl that's apparently going blind that hit on me back before Christmas, no one would have known, but i walked away, she was beautiful, but again, i have already given my word, i sincerely hope that isn't lost in fancy speak, attempted reasoning today.
We will, 3rd trip together, i took the two animals she wanted most on our anniversary 10-10-20 in Tanzania, a fine tom Leopard and Lichtenstein hartebeest, already have the list of animals for this fall, and the trip is already paid for.
I got hi risk relatives I want to visit this summer.
Everything’s a gamble.
I always hung out with old guys BW, knew long ago most my age were dipshlits like myself, welp, all those old guys are now really old, Wife works at hospital, i most likely have a hell of an immune system built up from her coming in everyday carrying God knows what, that certainly doesn't mean they do, so yes, my visits are few and far between now, dont want to lay anything on those old guys they cant shake.
Gave my word to Her, n front of a a preacher, friends and family, to God if he was listening, a man has to keep and honor that, iis my pleasure, i'm not scared buddy, i kill germs ; ]
I of course know you weren't there, but akin to the 35 year old stone fox single girl that's apparently going blind that hit on me back before Christmas, no one would have known, but i walked away, she was beautiful, but again, i have already given my word, i sincerely hope that isn't lost in fancy speak, attempted reasoning today.
Just to be clear, I'm unmoved by your appeal to chivalry and see your choices as being much more self-interested than rational.
It's absolutely your choice to make but, you'd be mistaken, if you thought any of what you've posted has much utility to someone contemplating the OP's question.
Gave my word to Her, n front of a a preacher, friends and family, to God if he was listening, a man has to keep and honor that, iis my pleasure, i'm not scared buddy, i kill germs ; ]
I of course know you weren't there, but akin to the 35 year old stone fox single girl that's apparently going blind that hit on me back before Christmas, no one would have known, but i walked away, she was beautiful, but again, i have already given my word, i sincerely hope that isn't lost in fancy speak, attempted reasoning today.
Just to be clear, I'm unmoved by your appeal to chivalry and see your choices as being much more self-interested than rational.
It's absolutely you choice to make but, you'd be mistaken, if you thought any of what you've posted has much utility to someone contemplating the OP's question.
Didn't lead off the OP's question, just hit on what i found interesting, which was your post, not seeking chivalry notice, just the importance of a man giving his word, then standing by it, come what may.
At 71 and with a co-morbidity, I took the two Moderna vaxx’s based on some studies. COVID could kill me because of the age/co-morbidity thing.
It only kills people w/ co-morbidities, because the Criminal medical industry sent patients home from hospitals/clinics with just slight symptoms(without treatment when treatment was available) to allow them to become worse, and then have to admit them when they return in bad shape (virus traveled into lungs by now). The medical industry then performed high price procedures to run medical bills up to milk the open check they had from the insurance industry and from government for getting them on a vent. Many ended up dying from the "premeditated murder". There is a 99% success rate of survival when treated at the onset of symptoms before the virus is allowed to begin replicating, which is where people start getting into danger, "without even having to be admitted for care".
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
If it turns out the vaxx is not only not effective on the virus but derails my own inherent immunity (per this article) and kills me, there is that.
mRNA is 20 year old technology that has never produced a successful medicine, and has only produced ADE everytime when attempting to develop a vaccine for a Corona family virus, resulting in killing the animals during animal trials. They are using a non-sterilizing antibody shot "DURING A PANDEMIC", which is the most dangerous thing they could do, and would only be done for the purpose to cause massive deaths. FACT and verifiable. Everybody in the industry knows this fact to be true, at least those who are not a communist protecting the criminals in the medical industry /PHARM ind.
When the Polio shot was being invented, the original inventor made the same mistake, but luckily there was a second scientist who corrected the mistake before it went to market. The mentally sick criminal scientists behind these mRNA designed shots damn well know this fact too.
Oh, and guess what George, VIROLOGISTS, PhD's in Biology and Scientists around the world are coming forward and asking for an immediate stop to administering the shots around the whole world for this VERY REASON, the flawed design of the shots can become a runaway train down a mountain without brakes, due to the virus mutating away from the antibodies the shots create, and having zero effect, you know, like drug-resistant TB. The communists in media are presently doing everything in their power to cover the story of WORLD RENOWNED VIROLOGISTS coming forward, just like you posting lies about Ivermectin not working. That is a bald faced lie.
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
It’s not a fearful thing. But there is nobody right now who knows for certain the outcome of all of this.
Um, yeah, those in the know, know what the end game goal is, but there are many who "know" how to stop this murdering of citizens all over the world.
No consensus on Ivermectin as with almost everything.
Hey George, want to tell me again how IVERMECTIN doesn’t work?
Please tell me in your own words, sir, how this META-ANALYSIS doesn’t qualify to PROVE 100% Ivermectin works.
I’m all EARS, SIR.
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Referencing the meta-analysis from Dr. Tess Lawrie in the UK, the Belgian virologist shares that based on 15 randomized controlled trials and observational controlled trials, the Ivermectin treatment reduces deaths by an average of 83% (95% Cl 65%-92%). He shares that based on the Dr. Lawrie meta-analysis, the drug also reduces the risk of deterioration by 53% (95% Cl 23%-71).
Why are you helping the commies in the criminal medical industry spread lies that are contributing to people being murdered by the criminal medical industry from not using proven medicines that can save people’s lives?
The whole medical world has known Ivermectin has worked since the middle of last year, sir, doctor sir.
No consensus, or is no consensus better known as BRAINWASHING from the medical industry?
Elk, sir, relax and take a deep breath; maybe even try to get some sleep. Your stress levels are too high affecting your reading comprehension.
I just posted a link to an article that claimed the doses of Ivermectin needed to prevent viral replication were much higher than the doses needed for the approved used of the drug. And that the side effects then might not be good.
And this was in response to Jag’s post on ivermectin.
My comment was “there is no consensus on the use of this drug.” Didn’t say it was true or false.
I have posted quite often here that this year of COVID has been a year of confusion, misinformation, and a lack of consensus.
Matthew 24:24 - Beware of False Christs. April 11, 2020. 6 Views. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. – Matthew 24:24.
I got hi risk relatives I want to visit this summer.
Everything’s a gamble.
This is one thing I don't understand.
If they get the shots, what's the problem? Even if you do not.
The presumption upon getting the vaccine is that it works.
If we were talking smallpox or even the flu you’d have no question about the vaccine, people get shots for contagious diseases.
This virus has killed two people known to me, both men in their fifties, neither with risk factors that I’m aware of.
I have a cousin who is so fragile with medical conditions he ain’t hardly left the house in a year on account of the virus, and my mom is 89. So ya I’m gonna get the shots.
Could the shots mess me up in the future? Possibly, but then I’m just this minute gonna take off in the dark for an hour on a bicycle to work alongside the morning rush.
would be interesting to compare how many IQ points below 100 the people who refuse the vaccine are.
The % of deaths from Covid aren’t much different than the death percentage from the vaccine, yet all the scaredy-cats run from the virus to the vaccine.
First off your accusation of hospitals milking the insurance companies for money, by sending patients home on purpose early is a lie. A lie spoken by someone who believes everything they want to believe. Or someone out of touch with reality or by someone with an agenda. Matters little, a lie.
Next, you can post an article about supposed meta analysis studies re ivermectin. Great, now post those actual studies. When they conduct studies and arrive at definitive results, they publish them in respected medical communities. You have only posted an article that mentioned studies. It would do much for your credibility, which at this time is little, to post your many claimed “meta-analysis” studies. Which will tell us the number of participants, the cure rate, adverse events, dosing and how the study was implemented. Let’s see them, and where were they published.
The internet is flooded with articles placed there by plants. And only fools believe every one. Posting up your actual studies, where they were conducted, population by age, health of the participants, conclusions and where it was published is the only way your claim can have any validity.
For the record, I posted one that showed no ivermectin benefit..
And finally, even ignoring the above as not being relevant, here in Pittsburgh the hospitals are curing Covid, in the high 90 percentile, without an off the record use of a ivermectin. And the indications are that is the same in all hospitals. So where does ivermectin fit in as the wonder cure.
Off the record usage is not uncommon. However, there are basically two criteria for that to occur. One, enough valid studies and results for justification....and as a last resort. As of now ivermectin doesn’t qualify on the first and would rarely on the second.
As of now no on getting the shot. Not because I fear the shots, but have my own reasons. Reasons that may not apply to others and then should be kept to myself. Will I get one in the future? Good chance, depending on how the story ends.
would be interesting to compare how many IQ points below 100 the people who refuse the vaccine are.
The % of deaths from Covid aren’t much different than the death percentage from the vaccine, yet all the scaredy-cats run from the virus to the vaccine.
Dead is dead.
Huh??? Over 80 million people have had at least one dose of a COVID vaccine with 44 million having received both shots. That's more people than have tested positive for the virus. Where are the 1/2 million people dead from having taken the vaccine? You are afraid of the vaccine yet you call those who have had the shot the scared ones. Someone has to be the first one to charge up the hill to take on the enemy. Some would call them stupid others would call them brave. Some choose to cower in their fox hole and wait while others take the risk to try to bring this country back to some level of normalcy.
would be interesting to compare how many IQ points below 100 the people who refuse the vaccine are.
The % of deaths from Covid aren’t much different than the death percentage from the vaccine, yet all the scaredy-cats run from the virus to the vaccine.
Dead is dead.
Huh??? Over 80 million people have had at least one dose of a COVID vaccine with 44 million having received both shots. That's more people than have tested positive for the virus. Where are the 1/2 million people dead from having taken the vaccine? You are afraid of the vaccine yet you call those who have had the shot the scared ones. Someone has to be the first one to charge up the hill to take on the enemy. Some would call them stupid others would call them brave. You cower in your fox hole and wait while others take the risk to try to bring this country back to some level of normalcy.
Don’t ask Hank Aaron or Marvin Hagler what they think. Go get your vaccine and shut up. I ain’t afraid of it, Covid or vaccine. You are the scaredy-cat.
Well you sure quoted lots of facts and put me in my place - - - NOT! On the contrary, I'm not afraid of either COVID or the shot (which I've already had). During the whole COVID thing I've been out shooting skeet and trap with friends, actually shaking hands, eating at restaurants and delis that allow it, going shopping and only wearing a mask at those places that require it. The reason I took the shot was for all of us to have a chance to return to normal. I'm tired of living 1/2 a life, not being able to visit my elderly mother or my young grand nieces and nephews. I'm tired of not being able to play out anywhere in my band. I want to see live music and theater again. For the chance of doing all that, I took the 1st shot and will take another. Not out of fear but out a desire to live a full life again. Understand?? Probably not.
Well you sure quoted lots of facts and put me in my place - - - NOT! On the contrary, I'm not afraid of either COVID or the shot (which I've already had). During the whole COVID thing I've been out shooting skeet and trap with friends, actually shaking hands, eating at restaurants and delis that allow it, going shopping and only wearing a mask at those places that require it. The reason I took the shot was for all of us to have a chance to return to normal. I'm tired of living 1/2 a life, not being able to visit my elderly mother or my young grand nieces and nephews. I'm tired of not being able to play out anywhere in my band. I want to see live music and theater again. For the chance of doing all that, I took the 1st shot and will take another. Not out of fear but out a desire to live a full life again. Understand?? Probably not.
Bla bla bla. I didn’t get a shot for the same reasons.
I got hi risk relatives I want to visit this summer.
Everything’s a gamble.
This is one thing I don't understand.
If they get the shots, what's the problem? Even if you do not.
MSM/establishment brainwashing has caused the population at large to accept two contradictory positions simultaneously, i.e., 1) I need the shot to be safe from those who carry the disease, and 2) those who will not get the shot (and are therefore potential carriers of the disease) are selfishly endangering those of us who did the "right thing" and got ours.
I got hi risk relatives I want to visit this summer.
Everything’s a gamble.
So, if you get the vaccine and visit your high risk relatives and are positive with Covid, does that keep them from getting it??
In fact, assuming everything is as the establishment claims, if you get the shot, you are no less likely to contract COVID. It's just that if you do, you will have less severe, and less life threatening, symptoms. That means that you become an even more dangerous carrier and transmitter of the disease, since you may be asymptomatic while you're contagious. So, with the shot, you are a greater danger to your elderly parents than if you didn't get them. And that's assuming that what they tell us about it is accurate, i.e., that's the best case scenario.
Bla bla bla. I didn’t get a shot for the same reasons.
Blah, blah, blah, yourself. If you are capable, please try to explain how your not taking the vaccine will lead to opening up our country and normalcy. Any return to normalcy will come from either the virus magically disappearing (which doesn't seem likely) or from the majority of people taking a vaccine and making the country safer for those who are too scared. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out of your foxhole.
I do think that in the near future a person will have the show shot papers, so to speak, to fly on an airline, go to a public school, and a host of other things.
Elk, sir, relax and take a deep breath; maybe even try to get some sleep. Your stress levels are too high affecting your reading comprehension.
I just posted a link to an article that claimed the doses of Ivermectin needed to prevent viral replication were much higher than the doses needed for the approved used of the drug. And that the side effects then might not be good.
And this was in response to Jag’s post on ivermectin.
My comment was “there is no consensus on the use of this drug.” Didn’t say it was true or false.
I have posted quite often here that this year of COVID has been a year of confusion, misinformation, and a lack of consensus.
The theory behind the effectiveness of Ivermectin has nothing to do with killing the virus. It treats the life threatening symptoms of COVID.
Would be interesting to compare how many IQ points below 100 the people who refuse the vaccine are.
Odd, I had assumed the opposite, i.e., that those who don't merely passively accept the word of authority figures on the MSM are the ones who tend to do their own research (a mark of high IQ) and decide against the vaccine.
But that wasn’t what the article was discussing as the danger. It wasn’t and I wasn’t making a point about how it works.
Nor did I make the remark about “IQ points”. 😉
And I’ll add: I wouldn’t disparage by low IQ folks who decide not to get the vaxx or who are on the fence about it as a good number of front line health care providers are undecided.
Most of that is BS, non-scientific, too. There are a few vaccines your dog needs early in life to protect them against some really bad stuff like Parvo virus and Rabies, but the constant boosters throughout life are entirely useless to the dog, and only expose them to needless cancer risk. Once a dog is immune, that lasts a lifetime.
For the Ivermectin gang,...There is even a subset in there for you...You want to encourage others to go down to the farm store and self treat flne...For those who are considering doing so....give some consideration to how the real Docs get it done...Last review as of 2.13.21...These are the sob's doing their best to send people home whole and not pulling [bleep] out of their own bias bag.
I'll save you some search time...They are not against it, but they need valid clinical trials to recommend it, before replacing other proven regimes.
"Conclusions and research needs for this recommendation The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of outpatients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. Well-designed, adequately powered, and well-executed clinical trials are needed to inform decisions on treating COVID-19 with ivermectin (Table s2)."
If it was only a case of the anti-vaxers paying the price, I wouldn't mind at all. Let Darwin do his thing. But unfortunately they're becoming incubators for new strains of the virus that can infect the normal/rational people.
Bla bla bla. I didn’t get a shot for the same reasons.
Blah, blah, blah, yourself. If you are capable, please try to explain how your not taking the vaccine will lead to opening up our country and normalcy. Any return to normalcy will come from either the virus magically disappearing (which doesn't seem likely) or from the majority of people taking a vaccine and making the country safer for those who are too scared. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out of your foxhole.
You’re in the foxhole all scared and everything. I’m not scared, I am exposing the virus to everyone.
I am not afraid of living, you are afraid of dying.
i still don't see how getting the shot helps the community. There is an excellent chance that if you get the shot, and survive, then your immune response will better prevent severe symptoms. In the case of elderly or those with co-morbidities, the chances are good for saving their lives. These are subjective outcomes. Not sure how that offers protection to the community at large, although keeping others safe is the current media mantra, and they are getting it from somewhere.
First off your accusation of hospitals milking the insurance companies for money, by sending patients home on purpose early is a lie. A lie spoken by someone who believes everything they want to believe. Or someone out of touch with reality or by someone with an agenda. Matters little, a lie.
Next, you can post an article about supposed meta analysis studies re ivermectin. Great, now post those actual studies. When they conduct studies and arrive at definitive results, they publish them in respected medical communities. You have only posted an article that mentioned studies. It would do much for your credibility, which at this time is little, to post your many claimed “meta-analysis” studies. Which will tell us the number of participants, the cure rate, adverse events, dosing and how the study was implemented. Let’s see them, and where were they published.
The internet is flooded with articles placed there by plants. And only fools believe every one. Posting up your actual studies, where they were conducted, population by age, health of the participants, conclusions and where it was published is the only way your claim can have any validity.
For the record, I posted one that showed no ivermectin benefit..
And finally, even ignoring the above as not being relevant, here in Pittsburgh the hospitals are curing Covid, in the high 90 percentile, without an off the record use of a ivermectin. And the indications are that is the same in all hospitals. So where does ivermectin fit in as the wonder cure.
Off the record usage is not uncommon. However, there are basically two criteria for that to occur. One, enough valid studies and results for justification....and as a last resort. As of now ivermectin doesn’t qualify on the first and would rarely on the second.
As of now no on getting the shot. Not because I fear the shots, but have my own reasons. Reasons that may not apply to others and then should be kept to myself. Will I get one in the future? Good chance, depending on how the story ends.
Thanks for showing everyone here you are nothing but a foaming at the mouth commie full of lies, and fail to post the first link to refute any of the facts I just posted in the numerous above postings. STRIKE ONE
Next, you gaslight me by calling me a liar, and a plant, again, without any solid proof whatsoever. I posted hard scientific proof to support my positions. You just posted all lies and obfuscation. Exactly textbook as all commies do. I know doctors who are prescribing Ivermectin at the hospitals they work at, and are getting enormous pressure from above for doing so. Many stories like that are occurring around the country, because the medical industry does not want the truth to come out to eliminate their ability to run up huge medical bills. You can try to lie here all you want to in your attempt to discredit me, but you’re the one making a fool out of yourself, because the truths about this mass murder happening around the world is coming to the forefront. STRIKE TWO
Further, you run your mouth about my posting being a “supposed” meta analysis, and then go on blabbing for two paragraphs with your lies in an attempt to make me look uneducated in the matter, when the truth is, YOU ARE TWO STOOPUD ™ to work the website I posted that shows in detail each study, RCT’s, PEER Reviews, et al. You qualify as a dumbazz based on that fact alone. STRIKE THREE
In wrapping up, you lie again about IVERMECTIN not helping people in hospitals, when doctors around the WORLD, starting last summer 2020, have been using a standard protocol based on Ivermectin, VIT C, D3, Zinc, etc, to save people. It is listed at FLCCC.net STRIKE FOUR
You then talk about off-label in an attempt to discredit it again, when, again, doctors around the world have been using it since the middle of last year. STRIKE FIVE
Lastly, you babble about not taking the shot, and it is nobodies business as to why.
To sum up your post, you are an idiot who is incapable of conducting your own DD when it is placed at your feet. What is that, STRIKE SIX or SEVEN? I lost track.
Yes sir, anyone can go click that website above showing all the meta analysis and see every detail you claimed I didn’t provide, and see the hard proof, and ask them selves WHY IS THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY MURDERING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHEN A FEW PENNIES FOR A PILL CAN SAVE THEIR LIVES, and in third world countries, it is sold over the counter. That is how safe it is, and has been for decades after billions of pills being sold.
You’re a clown Fugg, a complete idiot I tremendously do enjoy showing the floor to.
Now, you go text your boyfriend polesmoker, and you two girls go enjoy some camera sex with each other.
Outside of my friends and family, I don't care one whit whether some stranger lives or dies from their decision to either take or not take the vaccine. If the vast majority take the vaccine and get back to a normal life and you don't and get the virus and die, oh well, too bad. If I die as a result of taking the vaccine, you won't give a [bleep] and be honest enough not pretend to do so. Don't express your fear of the vaccine by pretending to care about whether I or Hank Aaron live or die and what gets us. No one's going to force you to get the shot. So sit back and see what happens to those of us who choose to charge up the hill.
There's no conspiracy to kill off hundred of millions or billions of people off with a poison vaccine. The world needs workers and consumers for the benefit of all the big Corporations, Governments etc. They need us to spend $ buy their stuff and pay taxes to make $ and $ is king. They are pushing the vaccine not because they care about us as individuals, they care about our $ and all that which the labor of us poor slob workers provide for them.
Since I don't really care if you live or die, why would I want you to take the vaccine? As I said, I want our country and my life to get back to a normal life again and right now it looks like the vaccine is the best chance for that.
Adverse events occur with every medication known to man....Drink too much water and you will have adverse event...
The important point of your link is not only can the public report adverse events but also health care providers are required to do so by law. And they do...and the lawyers are waiting to catch them if they don't....so they do...
Outside of my friends and family, I don't care one whit whether some stranger lives or dies from their decision to either take or not take the vaccine.
How well do you think you will do once 75% of the human population disappears? Long term, it might be great, but short term, very few are going to be happy in that scenario.
The people who are griping about the vaccine and coming up with all manner of conspiracies, are the same people who are the most vocal about opening the country back up. Well, YOU'RE the problem...Try being part of the solution for once...Put your big boy pants on, step away from the conspiracy websites, and get your head right.
First off your accusation of hospitals milking the insurance companies for money, by sending patients home on purpose early is a lie. A lie spoken by someone who believes everything they want to believe. Or someone out of touch with reality or by someone with an agenda. Matters little, a lie.
Next, you can post an article about supposed meta analysis studies re ivermectin. Great, now post those actual studies. When they conduct studies and arrive at definitive results, they publish them in respected medical communities. You have only posted an article that mentioned studies. It would do much for your credibility, which at this time is little, to post your many claimed “meta-analysis” studies. Which will tell us the number of participants, the cure rate, adverse events, dosing and how the study was implemented. Let’s see them, and where were they published.
The internet is flooded with articles placed there by plants. And only fools believe every one. Posting up your actual studies, where they were conducted, population by age, health of the participants, conclusions and where it was published is the only way your claim can have any validity.
For the record, I posted one that showed no ivermectin benefit..
And finally, even ignoring the above as not being relevant, here in Pittsburgh the hospitals are curing Covid, in the high 90 percentile, without an off the record use of a ivermectin. And the indications are that is the same in all hospitals. So where does ivermectin fit in as the wonder cure.
Off the record usage is not uncommon. However, there are basically two criteria for that to occur. One, enough valid studies and results for justification....and as a last resort. As of now ivermectin doesn’t qualify on the first and would rarely on the second.
As of now no on getting the shot. Not because I fear the shots, but have my own reasons. Reasons that may not apply to others and then should be kept to myself. Will I get one in the future? Good chance, depending on how the story ends.
Thanks for showing everyone here you are nothing but a foaming at the mouth commie full of lies, and fail to post the first link to refute any of the facts I just posted in the numerous above postings. STRIKE ONE
Next, you gaslight me by calling me a liar, and a plant, again, without any solid proof whatsoever. I posted hard scientific proof to support my positions. You just posted all lies and obfuscation. Exactly textbook as all commies do. I know doctors who are prescribing Ivermectin at the hospitals they work at, and are getting enormous pressure from above for doing so. Many stories like that are occurring around the country, because the medical industry does not want the truth to come out to eliminate their ability to run up huge medical bills. You can try to lie here all you want to in your attempt to discredit me, but you’re the one making a fool out of yourself, because the truths about this mass murder happening around the world is coming to the forefront. STRIKE TWO
Further, you run your mouth about my posting being a “supposed” meta analysis, and then go on blabbing for two paragraphs with your lies in an attempt to make me look uneducated in the matter, when the truth is, YOU ARE TWO STOOPUD ™ to work the website I posted that shows in detail each study, RCT’s, PEER Reviews, et al. You qualify as a dumbazz based on that fact alone. STRIKE THREE
In wrapping up, you lie again about IVERMECTIN not helping people in hospitals, when doctors around the WORLD, starting last summer 2020, have been using a standard protocol based on Ivermectin, VIT C, D3, Zinc, etc, to save people. It is listed at FLCCC.net STRIKE FOUR
You then talk about off-label in an attempt to discredit it again, when, again, doctors around the world have been using it since the middle of last year. STRIKE FIVE
Lastly, you babble about not taking the shot, and it is nobodies business as to why.
To sum up your post, you are an idiot who is incapable of conducting your own DD when it is placed at your feet. What is that, STRIKE SIX or SEVEN? I lost track.
Yes sir, anyone can go click that website above showing all the meta analysis and see every detail you claimed I didn’t provide, and see the hard proof, and ask them selves WHY IS THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY MURDERING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHEN A FEW PENNIES FOR A PILL CAN SAVE THEIR LIVES, and in third world countries, it is sold over the counter. That is how safe it is, and has been for decades after billions of pills being sold.
You’re a clown Fugg, a complete idiot I tremendously do enjoy showing the floor to.
Now, you go text your boyfriend polesmoker, and you two girls go enjoy some camera sex with each other.
"Plant, Fool and Retard": NO reason to expect you to reply in any manner than one that validates the three....
Addition: My error possible retard...but trying hard to be included. The first two are fact....
Outside of my friends and family, I don't care one whit whether some stranger lives or dies from their decision to either take or not take the vaccine. If the vast majority take the vaccine and get back to a normal life and you don't and get the virus and die, oh well, too bad. If I die as a result of taking the vaccine, you won't give a [bleep] and be honest enough not pretend to do so. Don't express your fear of the vaccine by pretending to care about whether I or Hank Aaron live or die and what gets us. No one's going to force you to get the shot. So sit back and see what happens to those of us who choose to charge up the hill.
There's no conspiracy to kill off hundred of millions or billions of people off with a poison vaccine. The world needs workers and consumers for the benefit of all the big Corporations, Governments etc. They need us to spend $ buy their stuff and pay taxes to make $ and $ is king. They are pushing the vaccine not because they care about us as individuals, they care about our $ and all that which the labor of us poor slob workers provide for them.
Since I don't really care if you live or die, why would I want you to take the vaccine? As I said, I want our country and my life to get back to a normal life again and right now it looks like the vaccine is the best chance for that.
For the Ivermectin gang,...There is even a subset in there for you...You want to encourage others to go down to the farm store and self treat flne...For those who are considering doing so....give some consideration to how the real Docs get it done...Last review as of 2.13.21...These are the sob's doing their best to send people home whole and not pulling [bleep] out of their own bias bag.
I'll save you some search time...They are not against it, but they need valid clinical trials to recommend it, before replacing other proven regimes.
"Conclusions and research needs for this recommendation The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of outpatients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. Well-designed, adequately powered, and well-executed clinical trials are needed to inform decisions on treating COVID-19 with ivermectin (Table s2)."
Hey you IDIOT, you see the different flags from around the world you can click on. These guys have PROVEN it works, and many doctors around the world are using it.
There are videos of interviews with the doctors testifying to it saving lives.
Here’s the website clown commie Battue is too incapable of working. How hard is it to place your curser over a highlight, and click on it to get to the RCT’s, PEER reviews, STUDIES?
ROFLMAO……complete fool.
What are you battue, a nurse practitioner or a janitor at a facility. You’re too stupid to even be an Affirmative Action med school graduate. https://ivmmeta.com/
Battue, the clown commie who keeps ignoring the facts, LMAO
Typical commie, keep repeating the lies until they become truth.
It’s called BRAINWASHING for those of you who don’t realize it.
that may be part of it, but it is also a fact that such will mutate regardless of availability of a vaccine, i doubt attribution to a vaccine is quantifiable
Outside of my friends and family, I don't care one whit whether some stranger lives or dies from their decision to either take or not take the vaccine.
How well do you think you will do once 75% of the human population disappears? Long term, it might be great, but short term, very few are going to be happy in that scenario.
If the vaccine kills off 75% of the population, since I took it, I won't care. If that happens look at the bright side. Since more Dems and Libs are taking the vaccine, those left behind will be very like minded. You'll have all the ammo and no one to stop you from hunting all year long etc etc. Sure society as we know it may collapse but all the preppers are ready for that anyway. I'll leave knowing the world's going to be in good hands.
ps Since everyone didn't take the vaccine all at once, when we start dying off think of all the fun you'll have telling us "I told you so" while we all wait for our turn to kick the bucket from the vaccine. That should be worth it for y'all. I'm just trying to give you something to look forward to.
would be interesting to compare how many IQ points below 100 the people who refuse the vaccine are.
The % of deaths from Covid aren’t much different than the death percentage from the vaccine, yet all the scaredy-cats run from the virus to the vaccine.
Dead is dead.
Huh??? Over 80 million people have had at least one dose of a COVID vaccine with 44 million having received both shots. That's more people than have tested positive for the virus. Where are the 1/2 million people dead from having taken the vaccine? You are afraid of the vaccine yet you call those who have had the shot the scared ones. Someone has to be the first one to charge up the hill to take on the enemy. Some would call them stupid others would call them brave. Some choose to cower in their fox hole and wait while others take the risk to try to bring this country back to some level of normalcy.
This puts me in mind of a quote: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
First off your accusation of hospitals milking the insurance companies for money, by sending patients home on purpose early is a lie. A lie spoken by someone who believes everything they want to believe. Or someone out of touch with reality or by someone with an agenda. Matters little, a lie.
Next, you can post an article about supposed meta analysis studies re ivermectin. Great, now post those actual studies. When they conduct studies and arrive at definitive results, they publish them in respected medical communities. You have only posted an article that mentioned studies. It would do much for your credibility, which at this time is little, to post your many claimed “meta-analysis” studies. Which will tell us the number of participants, the cure rate, adverse events, dosing and how the study was implemented. Let’s see them, and where were they published.
The internet is flooded with articles placed there by plants. And only fools believe every one. Posting up your actual studies, where they were conducted, population by age, health of the participants, conclusions and where it was published is the only way your claim can have any validity.
For the record, I posted one that showed no ivermectin benefit..
And finally, even ignoring the above as not being relevant, here in Pittsburgh the hospitals are curing Covid, in the high 90 percentile, without an off the record use of a ivermectin. And the indications are that is the same in all hospitals. So where does ivermectin fit in as the wonder cure.
Off the record usage is not uncommon. However, there are basically two criteria for that to occur. One, enough valid studies and results for justification....and as a last resort. As of now ivermectin doesn’t qualify on the first and would rarely on the second.
As of now no on getting the shot. Not because I fear the shots, but have my own reasons. Reasons that may not apply to others and then should be kept to myself. Will I get one in the future? Good chance, depending on how the story ends.
Thanks for showing everyone here you are nothing but a foaming at the mouth commie full of lies, and fail to post the first link to refute any of the facts I just posted in the numerous above postings. STRIKE ONE
Next, you gaslight me by calling me a liar, and a plant, again, without any solid proof whatsoever. I posted hard scientific proof to support my positions. You just posted all lies and obfuscation. Exactly textbook as all commies do. I know doctors who are prescribing Ivermectin at the hospitals they work at, and are getting enormous pressure from above for doing so. Many stories like that are occurring around the country, because the medical industry does not want the truth to come out to eliminate their ability to run up huge medical bills. You can try to lie here all you want to in your attempt to discredit me, but you’re the one making a fool out of yourself, because the truths about this mass murder happening around the world is coming to the forefront. STRIKE TWO
Further, you run your mouth about my posting being a “supposed” meta analysis, and then go on blabbing for two paragraphs with your lies in an attempt to make me look uneducated in the matter, when the truth is, YOU ARE TWO STOOPUD ™ to work the website I posted that shows in detail each study, RCT’s, PEER Reviews, et al. You qualify as a dumbazz based on that fact alone. STRIKE THREE
In wrapping up, you lie again about IVERMECTIN not helping people in hospitals, when doctors around the WORLD, starting last summer 2020, have been using a standard protocol based on Ivermectin, VIT C, D3, Zinc, etc, to save people. It is listed at FLCCC.net STRIKE FOUR
You then talk about off-label in an attempt to discredit it again, when, again, doctors around the world have been using it since the middle of last year. STRIKE FIVE
Lastly, you babble about not taking the shot, and it is nobodies business as to why.
To sum up your post, you are an idiot who is incapable of conducting your own DD when it is placed at your feet. What is that, STRIKE SIX or SEVEN? I lost track.
Yes sir, anyone can go click that website above showing all the meta analysis and see every detail you claimed I didn’t provide, and see the hard proof, and ask them selves WHY IS THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY MURDERING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHEN A FEW PENNIES FOR A PILL CAN SAVE THEIR LIVES, and in third world countries, it is sold over the counter. That is how safe it is, and has been for decades after billions of pills being sold.
You’re a clown Fugg, a complete idiot I tremendously do enjoy showing the floor to.
Now, you go text your boyfriend polesmoker, and you two girls go enjoy some camera sex with each other.
"Plant, Fool and Retard": NO reason to expect you to reply in any manner than one that validates the three....
Keep chirping. You have not refuted one fact I have posted.
Is this you smokepole under a sock puppet, living through your bi-polar persona as someone in the medical field?
Three posts, and nada, none of you can refute the facts I posted.
I even posted two youtube vids, from inside a hospital, and you still claim it doesn't work. holy crap this is hilarious.
MSM has you people so damn brainwashed it's not funny.
Outside of my friends and family, I don't care one whit whether some stranger lives or dies from their decision to either take or not take the vaccine.
How well do you think you will do once 75% of the human population disappears? Long term, it might be great, but short term, very few are going to be happy in that scenario.
If the vaccine kills off 75% of the population, since I took it, I won't care. If that happens look at the bright side. Since more Dems and Libs are taking the vaccine, those left behind will be very like minded. You'll have all the ammo and no one to stop you from hunting all year long etc etc. Sure society as we know it may collapse but all the preppers are ready for that anyway. I'll leave knowing the world's going to be in good hands.
ps Since everyone didn't take the vaccine all at once, when we start dying off think of all the fun you'll have telling us "I told you so" while we all wait for our turn to kick the bucket from the vaccine. That should be worth it for y'all. I'm just trying to give you something to look forward to.
If the shots are so safe, why are there Virologists, biology PhD's, and scientists around the world asking for an immediate withdraw from the market of all of the shots. BUELLER?
ANYONE BUELLER? Is anyone here capable of discussing the intricate details as to why that is, and proving these Virologists wrong?
Come on you brain trusts who a attempting to discredit me here.....prove to me you know and fully understand what you had jabbed into your arms.
I got hi risk relatives I want to visit this summer.
Everything’s a gamble.
So, if you get the vaccine and visit your high risk relatives and are positive with Covid, does that keep them from getting it??
In fact, assuming everything is as the establishment claims, if you get the shot, you are no less likely to contract COVID. It's just that if you do, you will have less severe, and less life threatening, symptoms. That means that you become an even more dangerous carrier and transmitter of the disease, since you may be asymptomatic while you're contagious. So, with the shot, you are a greater danger to your elderly parents than if you didn't get them. And that's assuming that what they tell us about it is accurate, i.e., that's the best case scenario.
For the Ivermectin gang,...There is even a subset in there for you...You want to encourage others to go down to the farm store and self treat flne...For those who are considering doing so....give some consideration to how the real Docs get it done...Last review as of 2.13.21...These are the sob's doing their best to send people home whole and not pulling [bleep] out of their own bias bag.
I'll save you some search time...They are not against it, but they need valid clinical trials to recommend it, before replacing other proven regimes.
"Conclusions and research needs for this recommendation The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of outpatients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. Well-designed, adequately powered, and well-executed clinical trials are needed to inform decisions on treating COVID-19 with ivermectin (Table s2)."
Hey you IDIOT, you see the different flags from around the world you can click on. These guys have PROVEN it works, and many doctors around the world are using it.
There are videos of interviews with the doctors testifying to it saving lives.
Here’s the website clown commie Battue is too incapable of working. How hard is it to place your curser over a highlight, and click on it to get to the RCT’s, PEER reviews, STUDIES?
ROFLMAO……complete fool.
What are you battue, a nurse practitioner or a janitor at a facility. You’re too stupid to even be an Affirmative Action med school graduate. https://ivmmeta.com/
Battue, the clown commie who keeps ignoring the facts, LMAO
Typical commie, keep repeating the lies until they become truth.
It’s called BRAINWASHING for those of you who don’t realize it.
Big problem for you is I dispense on a daily basis the medications being used for Covid...Guess which one isn't used or rarely at best...I will give you credit. Had an order for it last week..problem was we couldn't acquire it from two different major hospitals..It's not a trick question. It's a lets try this, we have little to lose option...Nothing more presently.
Your google fu MASK protocol was one of many protocols and far from the only one...ivermectin today is not part of any first line treatment. Treatments we all seem to agree upon that are 99% plus effective. But stick with your questionable validation...It may be in bodunk Samolea where better options are not available...but that is beyond your comprehension scale...Plant, fool and budding retard....And perhaps freek.....Ohhh, wouldn't that be a kick in the...well you know.
If the MSM and the Commies wanted to get rid of most Conservatives they would be telling us NOT to take the poison vaccine. The MSM telling people not to take it would ensure that many of the most wacky Conservatives would declare it to be the surefire cure and would be taking it and it would be the wacky Conservatives dying-off leaving a much more clear majority to them. Come on all you contrarians, you know that's true.
If the MSM and the Commies wanted to get rid of most Conservatives they would be telling us NOT to take the poison vaccine. The MSM telling people not to take it would ensure that many of the most wacky Conservatives would declare it to be the surefire cure and would be taking it and it would be the wacky Conservatives dying-off leaving a much more clear majority to them. Come on all you contrarians, you know that's true.
yeah then they wouldn't have to book us into re-education camps
For the Ivermectin gang,...There is even a subset in there for you...You want to encourage others to go down to the farm store and self treat flne...For those who are considering doing so....give some consideration to how the real Docs get it done...Last review as of 2.13.21...These are the sob's doing their best to send people home whole and not pulling [bleep] out of their own bias bag.
I'll save you some search time...They are not against it, but they need valid clinical trials to recommend it, before replacing other proven regimes.
"Conclusions and research needs for this recommendation The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. The guideline panel suggests against ivermectin for the treatment of outpatients with COVID-19, unless in the context of a clinical trial. Well-designed, adequately powered, and well-executed clinical trials are needed to inform decisions on treating COVID-19 with ivermectin (Table s2)."
Hey you IDIOT, you see the different flags from around the world you can click on. These guys have PROVEN it works, and many doctors around the world are using it.
There are videos of interviews with the doctors testifying to it saving lives.
Here’s the website clown commie Battue is too incapable of working. How hard is it to place your curser over a highlight, and click on it to get to the RCT’s, PEER reviews, STUDIES?
ROFLMAO……complete fool.
What are you battue, a nurse practitioner or a janitor at a facility. You’re too stupid to even be an Affirmative Action med school graduate. https://ivmmeta.com/
Battue, the clown commie who keeps ignoring the facts, LMAO
Typical commie, keep repeating the lies until they become truth.
It’s called BRAINWASHING for those of you who don’t realize it.
Big problem for you is I dispense on a daily basis the medications being used for Covid...Guess which one isn't used or rarely at best...I will give you credit. Had an order for it last week..problem was we couldn't acquire it from two different major hospitals..It's not a trick question. It's a lets try this, we have little to lose option...Nothing more presently.
Your google fu MASK protocol was one of many protocols and far from the only one...ivermectin today is not part of any first line treatment, but stick with your outdated protocol...It may be in bodunk Samolea where better options are not available...but that is beyond your comprehension scale...Plant, fool and budding retard....
Keep your lies up. I know more than you do about this whole fraud.
It's people in your position in facilities who murdered citizens this whole past year, and that is exactly why you are pizzed beyond belief I am posting all of these valid and 100% provable facts.
Ivermectin has a 99% survival rate if given at first sign of symptoms you dumb lying sunufabitch.
To put it quite simple, I know more about this whole situation than anyone on this board.
The Executive Use Authorization (EUA) Trump signed to grant development of a shot was illegal, with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin being available. You can not grant an EUA and bypass trial protocols(animal and human) when a known and safe medication is available, which there were two of.
So, the EUA is illegal as you read this right now, which makes the shots illegal (with EUA being illegal, by law they have to go back through the complete trial phases to prove them viable), which now makes them, under legal definition human experimentation, which is against the Nuremberg Code, and makes them in violation of International LAW.
I could fill pages full of 100% critical and verifiable data here, but why should I after the way these idiot trolls on here have cyber stalked me here.
I know I could have saved lives of people you knew over the past year, but you people here made that not happen.
The mentally sick cyber trolls here, have blood on their hands.
Shot for me, why? This virus is no more deadly than the seasonal Flu. That is more proof of this fraud. NO Pharm would spend the money to EVER develop a vaccine for a virus with a 99% survival rate. The sales for the product would not be there. The sales for this shot are here because the government, MSM and the medical industry have scared the living crap out of the world with lies. That is what communists do to overthrow a government, and they have succeeded.
These shots, the way they are designed is extremely dangerous as I stated above in my reply to george and have a high probability of creating viral immune escape, and be worse than the Bubonic Plague. Laugh you idiots who will laugh at me, go on. Why do you think Virologists around the world are asking for an immediate stop?
Ha ha now go on laugh.
Do you people know what will happen with a 10-40% population die-off around the world?
10% would completely destroy our whole infrastructure from the deaths. There would not be enough employees to run the economy: food chain, energy, transportation, medicine, etc. dark ages anyone? come on laugh, I know you are......remember, the big guns are asking to stop....laugh some more.
NO. The mRNA has never produced a successful medication, and they jumped at this chance to make billions from this fraud, Even the limited human trials they did do, were falsified to show 95%, so they could chirp that lie to the public. The real numbers they are having to go back and re-adjust. it's below 50% for Pfizer shot.
Amen. That is all true. Fake pandemic. Funny how the flu COMPLETELY disappeared when “Covid” arrived. It’s amazing how people are so gullible and they put their trust in people they don’t know. Wake up people, and don’t be stuck on stupid
Get off the whatever, you have dipped into the realm of insignificant babble..and your little reverse insinuations are really telling..Not very bright, but definitely telling....Do you even realize?
Plant...The Clintons also????? Fool, budded retard and closet freak.....
But go on post up the last, you have already proven yourself to be nothing more than a freak on more than one level...
Have at it, failure becomes you....and hanging too long with fools and failures leaves little for amusement..
Addition: You know you just have to post the last...have too...you can't control it...Give in to the demons, prove to the fire you have it all figured out...PLANT!!!!
To the gun geek moron that thinks anit-vaxers brought about the return of the diseases from the previous century, were would they return from?? If they were stamped out?
All the old maladies that are now back in the USA now, are because of the ILLEGALS bringing them from the south. Another liberal push....and if they are back, that means the vaccines didn't really work as well as we thought...now did they?
Wabi, this new shot is NOT A VACCINE like you give your cattle ! DO you understand that?? I don't think you get it...
I say folks that want to get it, take it. Get it every 3 months, more should be better.
I have a strong suspicion that later this year when flu season arrives, those that have been good slaves and have taken the Kill Hates vacc will start dropping like flies. I truly hope I am wrong.
These shots have the potential to create drug resistant viruses by the way they are designed, and have in the past. That is how you get things like drug-resistant TB, C-Diff, MRSA.
These shots have the potential to create immune disorders down the road. They use your DNA. mRNA is the instructions to tell your DNA what to do.
When you screw with mother nature..........
Just the simple fact they have never been able to create a Corona family virus vaccine, because it caused ADE and death to the animals in trial tests should be an immediate stop for people.
What part of unproven, unsafe and didn't go through a complete trial phases do you people not understand? it takes 10-20 years to develop to ensure they work, but most important are safe people. It's your life. Don't let these commies scare you into risking your lives. remember it was only going to be for 15 days. just 15 days.
There are successful protocols now that work if you take it upon the first symptom, even if you have co-morbidities.
The KEY is getting it into your system before viral replication starts or the virus gets into your lungs. That is when the danger starts, but is not a guaranteed death. you seen the old man in the video above. He was a goner, and it saved him, yet these yacks in the medical field here want to protect the medical criminal cartel (They murdered thousands, and built the vents to do it), and lie about me for exposing these facts. LOL
Also, again, the country reached herd immunity just as they began the jabbing of the shots, so why the need for the shots? FRAUD and MONEY, and depopulation.
Get off the whatever, you have dipped into the realm of insignificant babble..and your little reverse insinuations are really telling..Not very bright, but definitely telling....Do you even realize?
Plant...The Clintons also????? Fool, budded retard and closet freak.....
But go on post up the last, you have already proven yourself to be nothing more than a freak on more than one level...
Have at it, failure becomes you....and hanging too long with fools and failures leaves little for amusement..
The above is what a defeated communist looks like folks after I kick their balls up into their throat. You notice he/she has completely avoided discussing the facts? \ The above is called total defeat. Anyone want to point to one single post where battullip has specifically posted any detail to help anyone.
Boy, he's great at gaslighting me, like he just did.
That is gaslighting people, and the commies are experts at it.
Oh, let me play the conspiracy game. Ok? IF I were some unscrupulous commie/lib/one worlder/Illuminati etc type with the MSM media in my pocket and wanting to get control of the US/World and a pandemic hit, how would I use it to my advantage.
Let's see, I would:
- Create mass hysteria using the MSM (check) - Shut down society as we know it, manifesting that hysteria and making it concrete. (check) - Publicize and exaggerate the number of deaths due to the pandemic (check) - Put forth in the Alt Con press stories of elixers/concoctions/snake oil that doesn't work but gives false hope to their readers. (check) - Down play those elixers in the Gov't and MSM so wacky Cons will really believe they work. (check) - When a cure/vaccine that does work comes out - really tout them in the MSM which they know the wacky Cons don't believe (check). - Make the vaccine more available in the Blue States/Counties so that your political supporters are protected first while people in Red State/Counties are left to continue to die. (check) - Plant stories in the Alt Con press questioning the effectiveness or safety of the vaccine so wacky Cons won't take it. (check)
This way, our country with a 50/50 ideological split will become a 60/40 or 70/30 split in favor of the Dems/libs who took the vaccine and they win. The blame would be on the virus and the stupidity of the Cons who were too stupid to take it. No blood on their hands, they were just trying to help.
Of coarse, it could work the other way too. If it was the Cons who wanted to get rid of the Dem/Libs they would do all the same stuff except make sure they intentionally created a poison vaccine to kill off the Lib/Dems who would want to be first in line. But then that would make the Cons guilty of mass genocide and since 75% took the vaccine the whole country is in disarray and society breaks down.
What doesn't make sense, is the Lib/Dems/MSM creating mass hysteria etc etc and then pushing a poison vaccine to those who think like them making them guilty of mass genocide against their own kind and leaving the world/country to the Cons and preppers.
IF the vaccine proves to not be safe, and the Libs/Dems/not wacky Cons die off, it would seem more likely to be the result of a mistake and not a conspiracy. Now that makes sense.
These shots have the potential to create drug resistant viruses by the way they are designed, and have in the past. That is how you get things like drug-resistant TB, C-Diff, MRSA.
These shots have the potential to create immune disorders down the road. They use your DNA. mRNA is the instructions to tell your DNA what to do.
When you screw with mother nature..........
Just the simple fact they have never been able to create a Corona family virus vaccine, because it caused ADE and death to the animals in trial tests should be an immediate stop for people.
What part of unproven, unsafe and didn't go through a complete trial phases do you people not understand? it takes 10-20 years to develop to ensure they work, but most important are safe people. It's your life. Don't let these commies scare you into risking your lives. remember it was only going to be for 15 days. just 15 days.
There are successful protocols now that work if you take it upon the first symptom, even if you have co-morbidities.
The KEY is getting it into your system before viral replication starts or the virus gets into your lungs. That is when the danger starts, but is not a guaranteed death. you seen the old man in the video above. He was a goner, and it saved him, yet these yacks in the medical field here want to protect the medical criminal cartel (They murdered thousands, and built the vents to do it), and lie about me for exposing these facts. LOL
Also, again, the country reached herd immunity just as they began the jabbing of the shots, so why the need for the shots? FRAUD and MONEY, and depopulation.
Excellent post. Spot on. COVID followed the normal curve associated with all respiratory viruses, and on the tail end of that curve they started with the vaccines, and are claiming credit for what's just part of the normal curve of respiratory viruses.
Oh, let me play the conspiracy game. Ok? IF I were some unscrupulous commie/lib/one worlder/Illuminati etc type with the MSM media in my pocket and wanting to get control of the US/World and a pandemic hit, how would I use it to my advantage.
Let's see, I would:
- Create mass hysteria using the MSM (check) - Shut down society as we know it, manifesting that hysteria and making it concrete. (check) - Publicize and exaggerate the number of deaths due to the pandemic (check) - Put forth in the Alt Con press stories of elixers/concoctions/snake oil that doesn't work but gives false hope to their readers. (check) - Down play those elixers in the Gov't and MSM so wacky Cons will really believe they work. (check) - When a cure/vaccine that does work comes out - really tout them in the MSM which they know the wacky Cons don't believe (check). - Make the vaccine more available in the Blue States/Counties so that your political supporters are protected first while people in Red State/Counties are left to continue to die. (check) - Plant stories in the Alt Con press questioning the effectiveness or safety of the vaccine so wacky Cons won't take it. (check)
This way, our country with a 50/50 ideological split will become a 60/40 or 70/30 split in favor of the Dems/libs who took the vaccine and they win. The blame would be on the virus and the stupidity of the Cons who were too stupid to take it. No blood on their hands, they were just trying to help.
Of coarse, it could work the other way too. If it was the Cons who wanted to get rid of the Dem/Libs they would do all the same stuff except make sure they intentionally created a poison vaccine to kill off the Lib/Dems who would want to be first in line. But then that would make the Cons guilty of mass genocide and since 75% took the vaccine the whole country is in disarray and society breaks down.
What doesn't make sense, is the Lib/Dems/MSM creating mass hysteria etc etc and then pushing a poison vaccine to those who think like them making them guilty of mass genocide against their own kind and leaving the world/country to the Cons and preppers.
IF the vaccine proves to not be safe, and the Libs/Dems/not wacky Cons die off, it would seem more likely to be the result of a mistake and not a conspiracy. Now that makes sense.
I have had covid19 and was diagnosed with Cancer right after( No I ain't saying the two are related).I am doing immunotherapy to treat my cancer after a series of surgeries.The center I go to for treatment has a sign that states " any Onocology patient is able to get a covid vaccine shot with out appointment " No one from the center has asked ever about Covid, the vaccine or My willingness to get a vaccine. These people deal in actual life and death stuff and people's lives every single day. The vaccine is not even on their radar , in spite of the fact that most of their patients are at high risk of any infections. My biggest concern is the whole operation " Warp Speed " has pushed too fast with not a lot of testing and no recourse once it goes South.
The Khazarian Mafia (elites) don’t give a damn about anyone, even the clueless socialists that support them that are way down the food chain. They have openly state they want to cull the population down to 500 million (google Georgia Guidestones). Conspiracy fact. They have complete control of the government now, and they are taking unconditional steps to keep it. They don’t need a voting base anymore
Back to the OP question, yes I will get the shot! Just like most of the population! Trumps vaccine was for the people! I suppose those against it, wouldn't get polio, smallpox, tetanus, measles or other shots. After all, not all Dr's thought those were needed at one time! To each his own! But don't piss on other members, because they don't agree with your assessment of the situation!
1: How long do the spike proteins remain a part of your cells?
2: What are the long term effects of having the cells in your body altered by the addition of a un-natural spike protein?
I can't find an answer to question number 1.
Obviously, I can't find the answer to question number 2 because no one knows.
I dunno how long the spike proteins last before being denatured or broken down, but since the initial dose of mRNA is a one-time deal and since mRNA is destroyed as it is decoded it would seem to be a self-limiting process.
The spike proteins apparently adhere to the cells membrane from the inside rather than being excreted and are presented on the surface of the cell and/or are released when the cell dies and disintegrates.
I would guess any of the original spike-bearing cells still around by the time antibodies are generated would themselves be subject to attachment by the same antibodies that are targeting the spike proteins of any actual virus, and then taken out by the immune system.
Further proof: Plant,...Biden right? Fool, fully budded retard and closet freak.....well not so closet .
Come on you brown shirt. Show these people you know something.
Are you an expert at shoving an incubation tube down a human's throat?
Do you tell the relatives they should pull the plug?
How many have died on your watch in the killing fields in the criminal medical industry this past year?
If you want to look professional, you need to post legit links to viable scientific proof. You're failing in this regard.
You post like a little girlyman.
Hey slick, how many of those "incubation tubes" have you shoved down patients' throats.
You seem a little miffed that everyone thinks you are a moron, ask your self why.
mike r
That was a subtle spelling check quiz for limp brains like you who are completely incapable of entering into a detailed discussion to refute anything I have stated concerning the CV-19 fraud.
Me miffed? LMAO I've posted info here that I've known about since the early beginnings of this fraud. Too bad you've been in the dark for over a year. Why's that? Never mind. No need to answer. It's more than apparent.
Do you realize you are marked now that you have taken the shot?
And you know what, you have zero clue to what that usage of "marked" is in reference to, and that is why you will "remain" in the dark, clown.
Hell yea take it.Had both of them. No extra appendages grown yet. My generation took polio and all kind of vaccines so not afraid but I don’t worry excessively about the disease either. Took it to prevent quarantine so I don’t have shut my business if exposed.
Hell yea take it.Had both of them. No extra appendages grown yet. My generation took polio and all kind of vaccines so not afraid but I don’t worry excessively about the disease either. Took it to prevent quarantine so I don’t have shut my business if exposed.
You're not afraid about taking a shot that never completed the legally required trial protocols to ensure safety, when every other vaccine you have taken in your life did in fact complete all of the trials successfully to ensure they are safe?
Please explain how that one simple fact is not apples to oranges, or were you purposely ignoring that hard evidence.
I'm getting it ASAP. There is risk in every decision we make. To me the risk of Covid is orders of magnitude higher than the potential risks of the vaccines. As far as I know all the medical people I know personally have gotten their shots.
“I would recommend it, and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly,” Trump said during a Fox News interview Tuesday night.
“We have our freedoms and we have to live by that, and I agree with that also,” he said. “But it is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine, and it is something that works.”
Hell yea take it.Had both of them. No extra appendages grown yet. My generation took polio and all kind of vaccines so not afraid but I don’t worry excessively about the disease either. Took it to prevent quarantine so I don’t have shut my business if exposed.
You're not afraid about taking a shot that never completed the legally required trial protocols to ensure safety, when every other vaccine you have taken in your life did in fact complete all of the trials successfully to ensure they are safe?
Please explain how that one simple fact is not apples to oranges, or were you purposely ignoring that hard evidence.
The mRNA process was developed in the cancer treatment medical field. They have been testing different varieties for over a decade. Success has been mixed in the cancer field, some cancer types it works, other types still need development. The delivery system they developed is now being used for preventing a virus less complicated than the cancer cells it was created for.
That’s rich; the people causing cancer for 100 years have been working on a cure! WTF!!??? You can’t make this absurd crap up. The lunatics are truly running the asylum
That’s rich; the people causing cancer for 100 years have been working on a cure! WTF!!??? You can’t make this absurd crap up. The lunatics are truly running the asylum
Wife and I both get our final one next Tuesday, I'm 66 and looking forward to getting it. Will be able to go and see my Ma again in the old folks home without getting the 3rd degree. Tired of the schit. I live in the sticks and a farmer 3 yrs younger than me down the road a piece got it and died 2 weeks ago................
Hell yea take it.Had both of them. No extra appendages grown yet. My generation took polio and all kind of vaccines so not afraid but I don’t worry excessively about the disease either. Took it to prevent quarantine so I don’t have shut my business if exposed.
You're not afraid about taking a shot that never completed the legally required trial protocols to ensure safety, when every other vaccine you have taken in your life did in fact complete all of the trials successfully to ensure they are safe?
Please explain how that one simple fact is not apples to oranges, or were you purposely ignoring that hard evidence.
The mRNA process was developed in the cancer treatment medical field. They have been testing different varieties for over a decade. Success has been mixed in the cancer field, some cancer types it works, other types still need development. The delivery system they developed is now being used for preventing a virus less complicated than the cancer cells it was created for.
Answering the bold in your reply. They have never been successful in developing a vaccine for a Corona family virus due to mutating into new strains as I'm sure you are well aware of. Having pointed that out, I wouldn't say it is "less complicated", when there is a very high chance they never will be able to, being it is constantly changing.
Hell yea take it.Had both of them. No extra appendages grown yet. My generation took polio and all kind of vaccines so not afraid but I don’t worry excessively about the disease either. Took it to prevent quarantine so I don’t have shut my business if exposed.
You're not afraid about taking a shot that never completed the legally required trial protocols to ensure safety, when every other vaccine you have taken in your life did in fact complete all of the trials successfully to ensure they are safe?
Please explain how that one simple fact is not apples to oranges, or were you purposely ignoring that hard evidence.
The mRNA process was developed in the cancer treatment medical field. They have been testing different varieties for over a decade. Success has been mixed in the cancer field, some cancer types it works, other types still need development. The delivery system they developed is now being used for preventing a virus less complicated than the cancer cells it was created for.
Answering the bold in your reply. They have never been successful in developing a vaccine for a Corona family virus due to mutating into new strains as I'm sure you are well aware of. Having pointed that out, I wouldn't say it is "less complicated", when there is a very high chance they never will be able to, being it is constantly changing.
My brother and I have both had our first shots. After seeing our hunting buddy get Covid last summer (he's in his later 60's) and see the problems he had it was a no-brainer for me. He went elk hunting with us last year but had to take his oxygen with him because it ended up affecting his lungs quite a bit. He's not sure whether he's going to try to go this year or not. I had 32 years in the Army Medical Corps and my brother is a DVM so I don't think we made uneducated decisions.
