Thank you KLIKITARIK for sharing your Real life experience. So many of us do not have any experience. I read some of these thread suggestions and just scratch my head. There is a bear thread in another category on this forum and it is worth the read. I escorted deer and elk hunters for a decade but have no experience with anything larger with the exception of a dozen buffalo. I have never understood the "solid" thinking. I have shot a few deer with non expanding bullets with the same results you encountered with the slug. I will take a good expanding bullet anytime except for really big stuff. I just need to get some more experience. I intend to try fmj bullets on little antelope this year though I did shoot one with such a bullet with dismal results.