subs work for me on deer out to 175 yards... not sure at all where the idea is they ain't good past 50...? They do drop but the energy is fine, and the 194 lehighs retain close to 100% weight and have never not opened and generally about 2.5x expansion . Just as an FYI.

We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....