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night_owl Campfire Regular Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,886	380 and even good 32ACP BALL penetrates well enough to be effective for defense. The Germans and later the Russians with the Makarov proved it. All you need is reasonably hot ammo. Last edited by night_owl; 01/20/17. abusus non tollit usum

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Why the .45 ACP "sucks" for self defense	GunGeek	01/07/17
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Re: Why the .45 ACP "sucks" for self defense	GunGeek	01/07/17
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