One of the most obnoxious loud/hard kicking rifles i ever owned was a first run rugger 77 Ultralight in .308. Factory 150 Corlokt were accurate off the bench ( if i really held my mouth right! Ouch!) I managed to kill a whitetail doe around 15rds with it, but could not hit a 2 Liter coke bottle at 200 from hunting positions! Just too much of a good thing for me. Fast in the woods? Oh yeah, and thats where it excelled, 75yds and under. For me that is. Not a fan. Again, the Mod 700 Mountain rifle and the Mod 70 Fwt Classic with 22" fit the best for me, plus I can hit with them further out alot easier...unless I'm out in the "short grass" prairies...then the wind blows me/rifle/everything around to much!ha