Originally Posted by okie john
Once up on a time, Remington made a 700 ADL Youth model in 308. It had iron sights and a 20” barrel. This one is a 243, but you get the idea. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/974853883 That would be my first choice for something like this. They also made 22” rifles with iron sights in 30-06 and 270, which handle almost as well. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967878614

Got on gunbroker.com a couple of weeks ago and found one of these. Quick tests with nine factory loads average 50 fps slower than in my 22” M-700, or about what I’d expect for lot-to-lot variation, temperature shifts, etc. In other words, no meaningful difference.

This rifle loses 100 fps with two handloads: a slowpoke to mimic the 30-30 for shooting little deer in thick brush and a screamer using the Barnes 130-grain TTSX. The slowpoke still falls squarely into 30-30 country; the screamer is faster than any 130-grain load that Federal lists for the 270 Winchester.

Average three-shot groups with these nine loads is 1.28 MOA with a 4x Leupold. Without the worst group, it’s 1.12 MOA. A more powerful scope would likely improve that.


Okie John


Originally Posted by Brad
If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.