Borrowed a couple of family 30-30s the few times I hunted in high school. Several years ago when I got back into hunting I bought a Rem 710 in 30-06. It wasn't a great rifle to say the least, and neither was the scope that came with it. However, it did drop 4 of the 5 deer I ever pointed it at, and I figure the 5th was my fault. Thankfully, I have since learned a lot about nicer rifles and optics, and that one is long gone.
Those who must raise their voice to get their point across are generally not intelligent enough to do so in any other way.
