This was actually turning out to be a decent thread,unlike the past threads on this topic.Everyone was stating proven facts or giving opinions based on actual experience with both products.But I should have known that it was too good to last,and that E would show up and the attitude that the other posters don't understand how to do a scope comparison,or that our scope comparisons were unfair.He would tell us about those invisible scratches that degrade lens performance and brightness,and how we are all fooled by differences in magnification.Give him time and I am sure that he will get around to the facticious destructive testing that ziess uses on every scope.Then perhaps it will be the inferiority of etched reticals.There will be references to supposed information shared with him by J.B. that no one else knows about.We have heard about it all before,and I am sure that he will use this thread as an opportunity to repeat it yet again.Basically he is inferring that he is the expert on scope testing,and the rest of us simply don't understand optics.Yes until his post it was turning out to be a decent thread based on facts and real life experiences with both scopes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />