Would He have a man cave?

He was buried in it.

Cool man cave, tiki style, with a kegerator of bent nail IPA.

Jesus was a baller.

It would be a man/deity cave.

Historians believe Jesus took refuge in Mary Magdalene's cave.



Travis

He wasn't the first...

You're going to hell for that.



Travis

He hunted caribou?

She knows all about the second coming...

Stone rolled away and he left it, no more man cave for that guy.

That one just hit me.

Holy [bleep].

Literally.

I'm lovin' it.



Travis

It's all fun and games until Judgement Day boys.

I LOVE that movie!

Epic!


Travis

Such childish abuse is always reserved for Christianity because it's safe to do so.

One never sees these brave hearts spewing insults at Muhammed . . especially in a Muslim neighborhood . .

. . that's not safe . .

For the record, I think they're full of schit too.


God bless,
Travis

You boys... All I can say is I'm glad y'all ain't comin' to the dove hunt this weekend. There's T-storms in the forecast and I know who's likely to get hit by lightning, and I don't want to be standin' anywheres near y'all...

Funny I hear folks make jokes about muzzies, muhammed, and islam all the time. You must hang out in the wrong sort of places.

Don't believe anything a Christian says.



Travis

Sounds like the same priest got to you and Steelhead.

Ummm.... I'm not sure what kind of screwed up community you were raised in, but we weren't allowed to speak with Catholics.



Travis

here:

Every knee WILL bow and there'll be no jokin' on that day.

nothing wrong with that since she was Jesus wife

if the chit im going through aint some sort of a hint hat the guy has some sort of sence of humor we are all [bleep], cause it just means he is a sadistic bastard instead....

Isn't that in Dan Browns book? Tough place to get your history..

Ain't you just the philosopher.

As He said, we would turn away from Him and lean on our own understanding and then the abomination ( or was it Obamanation).

you get stuck hugging a toilet puking your guts out from pain for no other reason than a rapid change of air pressure and see what it does to your view of the world....

Maybe one of those Montana wolves will carry you off soon.

Hopefully they won't drag me south of the Mason Dixie line. That'd be worse than hell.


Travis

Don't worry,

We'll throw your ass back.

+1

I heard that's what you fellas do with the literate.



Travis

What is the obsession with mocking Christianity on this forum?

Is that what we're doing? I thought we were making fun of man caves?



Travis

I thought that is what we were doing too. Must be tough living ones life with their emotions on their sleeves.

Fixt

Now GFY

Jesus has a great sense of humor. He loves that second coming joke ..

Told me that in a bar one night while drinking bent nails.

That's racist.



Travis

Is this directed at me?

That would depend on you Greg.

Methinks lots of folks need to lighten up.

My guess is a few blame God for their unhappiness & misfortune.

And some just work entirely too hard at trying to be funny/cool.

I try not to judge, as I also would be upset if God had made me a dumbass.

I like caves.

In my younger days I was quite the spelunker.

Just hearsay,, but it's my understanding that the caves down south are much bigger than those out west.

Agreed!

I was simply curious fellas but no worries...

Carry on...

Jesus jokes don't bother me.

I look at it this way; from a Biblical perspective, a Christian should expect to be ridiculed. In that light, it's just living the prophecy.

And if the discussion turns downhill, then I know that my gift is not attempting conversion over the internet.

Jesus had some pretty thick skin. Why shouldn't I?

Ever find anything cool?



Travis

It's hard to tell Scott, because your posting gets a bit passive-aggressive at times...

Believe me, I'm plenty light brother. Hard to think of much more this time of the year than hunting something.

Well said.

My question is would he have a fanny pack or a man purse?


I just can't see it...

The dude was hard.

Funny how some folks get all twisted out sorts because I ask if Jesus Christ would have a man cave.

90% on here have no problems slamming Catholics. Lots of good Christians have no problems slamming blacks. Lots have no problems slamming something that ain't theirs. Atheists can't do any good. God knows that Christ at the Campfire was a place of such good will.

In the end, it was a joke about man caves.


Was the toilet paper thread a slam on Christians? A slam on those that still use corn cobs to wipe their ass (no offense John Moses), or was it just a frigging joke?

I just figured since blacks, hispanics , Jews, government employees, teachers, and Yankees were fair game, Christians and man caves would be too... grin.



Travis

dont blame God, just a bad roll of the genetic dice......however if he doesnt have some sort of sence of humor bout it all than he is just a sadistic bastard....my misfortune is no ones fault, not even mine, just bad luck on how genes combined.....

but if god is as uptight as some here try and make him out to be heaven is gonna be anything but....

No but I know a southern spelunker that once found a ring.

The only thing I know for certain about God is that He truly has a great sense of humor.

Hell, the last time I typed 'When Christ returns we will kill Him again' one would have thought I burned the American flag whilst pissing on the Bible and screwing someones sister.

Gollum?

Not in the south it isn't.

Everything's fair. You thought I was joking when I said I re-up as a clergy if they'd let my broken ass back in?

In a minute....



Jesus. Man cave.

C'mon people. Frankly, the whole OP wreaked of the Gospel, no matter how it was intended.

He probably even laughed at the whole thing.

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/plank/110613/barack-obama-gradually-turning-the-oval-office-man-cave

Probably, mostly Ex-Lepers...

I think you've got a good grip on Him.

As far as man caves go, the dude liked to get his hands dirty too much. He couldn't sit still long enough to enjoy a man cave.

Man caves are for heathens!

Sweet Jesus folks, enjoy the day, I am.

Something to brighten things up!

If Jesus did have a Man Cave,..you can bet all his Wood furniture would be Top Notch.!

None of that Amish junk...

Frankly, anywhere I could lay back and eat pita's with hummus and drink wine while having ex-hookers wipe my feet with their tears and hair has got to be a good place to take it easy for a while.

Likely, but like all of us, He did have His cross to bare....

Yep... imagine how many times a day he is cursed with vulgarities by some of the 7 billion folks that experience personal misfortune... thick skin and probably accepts lighthearted humor at his expense to offset the vitriol.

Kent

Good point.

I'll skip the pedicure.

It wasn't a brown one was it?....

Never understood why church isn't like that.

Yes sir. I'm sure He can take a jab in the ribs....

You're obviously not LDS...

I knew a man who took some of that in college. He kept having awful flashbacks. No matter how many times he changes his address, they find him.

Latter Day Saints........

I think you're the LSD guy...

I just hope Mickey doesn't see my comments about southern folk because he still has my rifle...



Travis

He won't check the internet until he's finished.

I sent them to his Twitter account.

Last time we spoke he asked if I was a "Steelhead wannabee?" after he saw my yellow/black McMillan...



Travis

You confederate lovin' POS.

(Just kidding Mickey)



Travis

Would Mohammed have done Mary Magdelins man cave?

Was she below the age of dissent?

If they could read that, it would be funny.

Imagine God in heaven, in eternity with only wailing repenters, groveling confessors, 'needy' supplicators... me' me' me' me'...

Holy chit!... He'd be begging for a good laugh...

Kent

Well, He was a carpenter. It's likely that He probably built a few man caves...

Though, there is no record of how good a carpenter he was.

Personally, I'd probably hire Rancho Loco...


Still, a house that Jesus built would probably sell pretty well here in the South...

It would last forever and wine would flow from the rain gutters.

Figures! Your 'elders' were fearful you just might learn something outside the infinitesimal sphere of indoctrination to which you had already been exposed!!

I know Rancho is good and all,...but come on....how many people has Rancho raised from the dead.?

Jesus could probably do wonders with Formica...

Note to self: Clean the gutters.

Who wants a bunch of zombies walking around!?

I'm still sticking with Rancho.

Would the driveway and sidewalks be made of gold?

TRH would buy it.

You just unwittingly confessed He came to earth, died, and rose again ... or there would be no way to kill Him "again."

Actually they were fearful I'd start talking to statues of bleeders when I fell on hard times.


Travis

Over the line!



Travis

Did Jesus wear aviators?

TRH already has one.

The only problem with owning a Jesus-built home is finding two comps in the neighborhood for an appraisal.

Yes, and a Rolex.

A small little known fact is that Steelhead is in deed a Christian. He just doesn't like other Christians that act the fool, and with his experiences with them, I really cannot blame him.

[bleep] yes.


Travis

And he preferred Dos Equis.

The first pair......evah?

I read it the first time, and it didn't sink in till a minute later when I was in the can.

When it hit me, I laughed and lost my grip on Mr. Happy.

It wasn't a good scene.

Oh, so now we are taking cheap shots at the Amish. Darn, I forgot, those suckers are in line with the freaking Muzzies to be exempt from Ocare. To heck with'em.

Jesus Christ...

I think Jesus Christ could do a little better than that.


Travis

EVAH!


Travis

http://youtu.be/Xghebqshq1o

I wasn't joking.

^^^^

Not sure but I think this kind of stuff is why SH started the thread.

Lighten up or we'll kill him for good next time.

No the idiot op knew what he was starting going in on this thread and got what he wanted.
He starts a thread like this and then tries to play it off as a joke and says "your too obtuse to know what I mean" and then all his little girlfriends come flocking to his rescue.
1 thing is no matter what you don't joke about my Saviour...period!!
Another thing you can rest assured....if he ever talked like that around me he will be spitting his teeth out...I even told him next time he's in the southern Indiana/louisville area to let me know and I promise you I will gladly make that happen!

If Jesus had a mancave He wouldn't give a $h1t if any of us azzholes thought it was cool or not. He was a [bleep] MAN with the biggest ball any MAN ever had. He was a $h1t talker too. He pizzed more people off than I ever have, spoke his mind no matter the end result or to whom he was speaking to. I wish I was more like him. Most manly dude that ever walked this sphere. Funny a lot of folks don't like Christians because they are week little polite soft spoken people that just try and get along with everbody, that's not Christ like. Jesus was like honey badger he didn't give a [bleep]. He would drop a GFY not in those words but the meaning was the same to any damn one he pleased. He is my [bleep] hero.

Now THAT was well stated Billy.

According to the Democrats , Jesus was born in a Goat Manger in Kenya and now has a Man Cave in the White House

Steelhead's nothing more than an internet bully that needs his azz handed to him.

And if he ever meets me it will happen..I promise

I'm afraid you misjudged me. I was agreeing with you, my Friend.

Don't get worked up about this stuff.

God doesn't need any man to defend him.

Well stated John Moses.

No, He doesn't JM, but I feel it my duty on occasion to inform the uninitiated. Not worked up whatsoever.

Just being careful I wasn't misunderstood on that key point!

I understand how you feel but I don't think that Jesus would appreciate you knocking someone's teeth out on his account. Jesus paid a high price to justify the ungodly, and we all qualify.

Jesus was one tough guy, didn't eat for forty days, accepted his cross, wasn't offended by sinners... and didn't designate any human to be offended for him or anyone to judge their fellow man's salvation using his name.

Kent

You guys missed the point. It was to get a reaction out of those who are reacting. But then... Don't get all butt hurt over Jesus.

People are uptight. God isn't. Whatever mankind as a whole is, God is not. Our ways are not His ways. God is perfect in forbearance, grace, mercy, truth, and love, but also in righteousness, anger, vengeance and judgement.

Then how are we to exist in his presence for eternity?

Kent

Changed.

From what makes us who we are in this life? Love, sorrow, anger, depression, faith... humor...? You know "our ways'... Where does 'me' go...

Kent

I doubt that my god is reading the 'fire. I'm not concerned.

Love and faith trump the rest. It only takes a little of each to move any mountain in a life, but in the end all the mountains will be moved. Some don't have any more than a little, but I believe it's more than enough to a change from corruptible to incorruptible, by the Grace of God.

That's silly. All one needs is anger and Budweiser. Not in that order.


Travis

Omnipresence by definition is a full-time gig.

I've worked with those, too, and believe there was a lot more silly there.

I also tend to think any superior being out there might have a sense of humor. Have you ever seen a duck billed platypus?

I don't disagree with a sense of humor. A perfect one, even.

Some on this thread better hope like hell he does.

Maybe he'll laugh when they kneel before him.

Then again, maybe he won't and the joke will be on them.

I'm betting Cool & funny won't be so cool & funny then.

thisThread == (christains < noRealSenseOfHumor);
thisThread == (moslems< noRealSenseOfHumor);

if(thisThread == imoffendedbysomeanonymouspersonontheinternet)
getlaid(butthurtreligious);

I'm not offended Steve, as a poor example of a Christian, I could care less where you or anyone else on here spends eternity.

You will have made your own bed and that will get you where you're going.

Just pointing out that maybe it's not such a good idea to tempt the Lord.

But by all means feel free to do what you like. I won't have to pay for it.

For the record, I'll always be cool and funny. Even to big shot Jewish guys.


Travis

You try to hard to be either Dave.

Sorry.

All I'm saying is lighten up. This is exactly why Christians get a 'bad name'. Lighten up...

Very well stated. As to JC's accoutrements when he comes back (man purse) you won't notice anything except that big sword.

I don't try at all. It's a gift, from GOD!



Travis

"If Christ were here one thing he would not be is a Christian" -- Mark Twain

You have that arse about Doc, halfwits and arseholes live to a ripe old age and have a great time...you would be the one that gets belted by the hand of God for standing near one of them.


It is why I gravitate to the side of the room where all the twats are, because that is where the party is.

Steve,

You sound like a kid trying to justify stealing a candy bar to his buds.

Some folks just won't like it, feel it's wrong and that's the way it is.

Keep telling yourself "Lighten up, it's ok..."

The Bible mentions another fella that uses that line....

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, cuz sinners are much more fun...

Well that's the most important consideration for us, for sure, I wouldn't ever even almost exactly say.

'flave?


Travis

Well that is the most important consideration ........

The creator created us with humor, it's an essential part of who 'we' are, from our first laugh. Same as the bond of immediate family.

If God didn't want competition for my emotions, he shouldn't have created the family bond.

If he wanted stoic followers, he wouldn't have created humor and laughter.

If he is going to strip me clean of my associations and personality... F'it, I'll walk.

It gets far fetched when some are offended by humor and tell someone else they are going to be judged to hell because of it.

Kent

Not anymore!

Noooooooo!



Travis

Mickey bent the barrel where it impacts 3 ft. to the left, unwittingly making Travis an excellent shot.

LOL

Sweet Jesus. making a place for us in Heaven where the turnips grow as big as washtubs..

and we're not letting it pass that a few mean-spirited romans and joos kilt him. otherwise, after 2000 years he'd still be walking the Earth with us.

Take another hit, Gus.


Travis

Mickey would never bend my barrel like that. He's gentle...



Travis

...and the irony of some "Christian" here who say essentially "You're going to burn for making jokes" and "You would be swallowing teeth if you said this stuff in person"

Since we're throwing versus.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.


Isaiah 5:18-19 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope: 19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!


2 Chronicles 36:17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand.

Proverbs 19:29 Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.

Isaiah 29:20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

Lamentations 3:64-66 Render unto them a recompence, O LORD, according to the work of their hands. 65 Give them sorrow of heart, thy curse unto them. 66 Persecute and destroy them in anger from under the heavens of the LORD.

Oh, somebody just sitting around with nothing to do a few thousand years ago just decided to make that stuff up for the fun of it, uh, probably.

...and missing the point of my post right on cue.

Ok maybe I miss read your point.
Explain it to me

You mistake mocking christians, theology and religion for mocking God himself.

Kent

Does God say its your place to pass judgement on anyone or is it His?...

Its one of the basic priciples of Christianity, and it would seem to be a fairly simple on at that. However it seems to be one of the hardest ones to follow for those who call themselves "Christian"...

Bingo!

Time to cool this thing down:

It always amazes me that folks will get between two family member's disagreement... it's almost guaranteed they both will turn on you.

God's smart, I don't know how many more ways he can tell others to stay out of his personal business.

Kent

God told you this?

And there is a big difference in mocking Christians behavior and mocking Jesus Christ.

It's back there in black and white if you care to read it.

"It's all fun & games until somebody gets sent to hell!"

Laffin

He apparently talks to a few here on the fire regularly. Unfortunately (or...) I'm not one of them.

well I guess we can go on and on arguing about what the Bible says...I could bring up 1 Corynthians 6:2 and so forth but what good would it do?
And yes for the record I DID understand what you were trying to say about Christians judging....
If you guys want to go on continuing mocking Christianity, theology, beliefs.....whatever, your right it shouldn't matter to me but I find this mockery to be directed towards Christ who btw IS His Word!
I will bow out to all this Bible arguing so you guys can have at it...I made my feelings known and gave a warning from the Bible I know I won't sway people's minds and I certainly don't expect to.
Carry on.

I think posting judgements enumerated in the bible is not the same as passing judgement.

Thomas,

Don't confuse an attempt to enlighten with an attempt to judge.

I know that's a favorite line of anti Christians, but it's also often misused.

Quoting scripture is not judgment.

No surprise that many accuse Christians of the latter, as no one likes to be reminded they're screwing up.

I am not mocking Christianity...
I am mocking the people that call themselves "Christians" and thump their chest as such, but then pick and choose the teachings they choose to follow in their daily life.

Nothing funnier to me than folks who claim to follow the Lord, but judge and condemn others in His name. There certainly seems to be no shortage of folks like that either.

... so attempting to elighten means telling people that you believe they will burn for their actions? I guess that makes more sense than trying to minister to them.

you have NO idea who I am or how I conduct my life in the real world.
Pot meet kettle..........

Thomas,

I've seen you condemn others on here for their actions that violated your beliefs, Hell, we've all done it.

So how come you find it amusing when Christians take offense when someone mocks Jesus?

You've done the same thing.

Have you ever seen go around thumping my chest and claiming that I am a Christian?....

The Bible states that is the punishment for those that mock God.

Tom didn't invent it, just passed it along.

Why are you offended by someone who quotes scripture? yet object to their being offended when you mock their beliefs?

Funny since right in this thread you said that in person you would have someone spitting teeth if they said things person...

John, Conflating you and God is part of the problem.

Well, mission accomplished..........

I've seen you condemn people for other things.

So in your mind, you can condemn a man for something he said or did here, but Christians cannot quote scripture when they see their God being mocked?

How did you get a pass?

Lighten up.

I am not offended by anything here...
I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy in some folks actions and words as compared to the teachings they so vocally claim to follow.
Judgement is to be passed by God, not meeted out by those who say they follow his teachings.
I don't believe telling someone that you believe thay will burn for something is anything but an attempt to pass judgement.

And Jesus just stood by and let the money changers conduct business in the temple or did he start a physical riot???

Remember that was Jesus........

Your knowledge of the Bible is embarrassing....

Touche'

Democrats are always saying they don't feel they can judge anybody. Personally, I think people ought to be a lot more judgmental of their fellow men.

Hell Thomas, we're all Hippocrates.

Every man that's ever been born is one, with the exception of one.

You know how angry you and I get when some turd comes on here blasting our country...

Now apply that to some here who believe in Christ and see his name being drug through the mud.

Who's anger is more justified?

I don't think I have ever told anyone they were going to burn in hell or that God was going to get them...

So you're comparing this to a house of God?....

You're comparing your actions here to those of Christ in the Temple?...

If someone does something and the error is pointed out using scripture, it's not the same as Me or anyone else saying you'll burn in hell.

Christ didn't want people to use an accusing tone, that's what the pharisees did.

I agree with you, Thank God we don't get to judge anyone because I'm sure it would go horribly wrong.

I'm the last guy that should be saying all this,

But....

If an azzhole like myself can see it, then there is hope for every man, woman and child on this planet.

That's the beauty of it, the door is opened to everyone.

Whooooosh!!!!
What I'm saying is you guys always use the same ol dumb argument that Jesus was a passive turn the other cheek sort of guy.
He was not and he is a God of Judgement too.
Like I said.....embarrassing.

The proliferation of the prosperity gospel school of thought tends to indicate the money lenders are back in the temple.

True enough.
We ARE all hypocrites in one way or another, and in light of that...













My personal favorite:

...and what did Jesus command his followers to do? Judge others or leave the judging to Him?...
Whoosh!

The only thing embarrassing here is your hypocrisy.

I hope you don't interpret this the wrong way..
but I don't belive Jesus ever asked anyone to come to his defense, only to follow him and his teachings.

Hilarious!

Nice religion ya got there boys. Somebody gonna tell me about this lake of fire I'm gonna get tossed in?

Wow!
You really ARE dense.....
You mistake my warning (from the Bible) for judging....

...and I agree with everything you say there. I think in a way you and I are on the same page just perhaps different paragraphs as it were.

Keep on missing that plank in your eye partner...

I never said he did. As a matter of fact, I stated so earlier in this thread.

No judgment there...
I remember the verse where Jesus round house kicked the soldiers casting lots...

Right I noticed that, but by the same token a person can't or shouldn't use defense of God to justify actions that run contrary to his techings.
RE: the portion of the quote I "re-bolded"


...and I am not saying that you specifically attempted to do the above in this, but I do believe others did.

Im a believer, not a great example. I try to do good for my fellow man and all that and treat people the way I want to be treated, all though i understand works are not the ticket the blood is. BUT, I cuse like a sailor and don't tolerate a lot of bull$hit. I think from time to time a GFY is in order. But what I think or any other dip$hit for that matter doesn't have any effect on Gods word or works. He gave us freewill do with it as you see fit cause its yours.

I believe in God, Jesus's life as the true teaching and the Holy spirit as our truth.

I believe that we are spiritually bound together and knowledge of the fact in this life is variable but not damnable. I believe in the collective of our spirit for good things such as prayer healing.

I don't know the truth about the afterlife and neither does anyone else, so there is no way to judge our own, let alone anyone else future existence.

Religion is fallible, God isn't... follow what you will.

Kent

Holy [bleep], go out for CPR training and look at all the tolerant people.

Apparently Christianity shares much in common with Islam, they both claim to be the religion of peace but it's obvious they aren't.

Yea, we blow up too many who don't go to church and tithe. Darn it.

Sweet, I could use some more Girl Scout cookies.

That's a relief. I was afraid you might have been struck by lightning bolts.

God knows no one has ever died at the hands of a Christian.

Funny how a shot at man caves brings the zealots and droves and wanting to cause bodily harm.

Not surprising really, these threads are an effective way to smoke out the so called 'Christians' and are nothing if not funny.

Good to know that Tom will be holding Ball's hand in hell.

God has already told me that I'm good to go. Pretty sure Tom is [bleep], but who hasn't known that.

It's the "Do as I say, not as I do" thing.

We humans are ALL fallible, including our knowledge of HIM and HIS real thoughts for us, much less someone else.

It's not anyone else's walk that I have to answer for, just mine.

Ed

I think its a little overboard to lump Christians with Muzzies and doubt I'm wrong or in that camp alone.

I guess I'd be as uptight as some of the Christian [bleep] on this site if I had to put up with all the queers in church. What I really don't get is this queer attraction to some Latino dude.

Jesus runs a great Mexican restaurant just up the road but I sure as hell don't love him.

I ain't lumping them, they are lumping themselves. Funny to watch though!

There's a different Jesus out there.

Still surprised the man cave lovers didn't come out in droves. It was nothing but a shot at all the funky threads/man caves.

Amazing how sensitive Christians are, of course no one ever said they was bright. Tom comes to mind.

That he thought 'If Christ returns we will kill him again' is proof of how [bleep] dense he is.


Truly amazing how stupid so many of you are. Perhaps .gov is correct in who shouldn't own guns..

I bet Jesus' man cave would smell of rich mahogany and he would many leather bound books

I think it would smell of tamales, tequila, and 2 cycle engine oil.

Mercy me, I'm getting all hot-n-bothered looking at all this stuff I've been redirected to inside your linked photo bucket album. I was ah-hmm wonder about this you have in there. Does it work pretty good? I bet my house girl would love this, she keeps me 'domesticated' if you know what I mean.

holy [bleep] dude! kink-o-rama!!!

No

Steelhead sure stirred up the 'mullahs amongst us'. Then again, it isn't that hard.

1B

I met Christ in 1981, two hits of blotter and a quick climb to the top of the narrows bridge, much slower descent, however thats not where i met HIM, It was at a mailbox on Federal Way...it was a fairly long discussion....he was pissed I didn't have a postcard,,,

Charlie

I certainly would not want to harm you but I do think you are a piece of filth.

Apparently there is no postcard....I'm going to take a shower....

Charlie

Yeah, with a thread title of "Jesus Christ", how could the intent of your thread be confused?

Of course, it wasn't.

If ever a thread just needed to die...................... .

And for what reason? Threads like this have only one purpose, and that is not to have civil discourse.

Stoolhead knew exactly what was going to happen with this thread and hoped it would happen.
If some of you guys think it wasn't a baiting thread then either your in love with him or too chicken to say anything.
He's nothing more than a vile, lying blasphemous piece of living trash.

After reading posts from the "Good Christians" on the fire, I'm usually amused.
Would Christ hang with them?
Do they read their own posts?
Since they have punched their ticket.... they are immune?
These questions and more, I ponder.


P.S. Chas.....good schit.

This is a funny read.


Travis

Jesus loves us sinners and nonbelievers..

That's why he gave us Molly and Nicole on NFL a.m..

Oh yeah,

Christianity....Satan's greatest weapon!

Satan doesn't have any weapons God doesn't allow him to have.

And...

Thank you for making my point!

Ship of fools.. Gawd, when we were bartending, we would sing that song DOWN.

Hollywood, 1986. That chit meant something. Jesus loved it..

Have you applied this to Steelhead since he claims he's got his ticket? Or does this just apply to the other Christians?

I get sick and tired of the baiting crap, cutting just about anyone down for no reason other than to build himself up, and then wants us to believe he's good to go. Give us a break. When you act like Steelhead for the sole intent to elevate himself and cut others down, he's got issues. We're just speaking out against it. Read Ephesians, we are to EXPOSE this. Don't like it? Don't care!

And to follow it back. God allows Satan. Nice type of omnipotence He's got there...

Mysterious ways, indeed.

so, if'n ya wuz speculatin' what cut of Pork do you think jesus enjoyed the most?

"He's nothing more than a vile, lying blasphemous piece of living trash."

His posts on this thread are "blasphemous"..... I'll give you that. Having met and hunted with him, I take exception to your other adjectives and characterization.

If I insist on my right to denounce Mohammed.... and I most vehemently do....... how can I not grant that same right to anyone who has a different view of Christ than I do?

Steelhead and those in agreement with him couldn't have gotten past the second page on this thread without the cooperation of "believers".

If Steelhead calls himself saved, do any standards apply to him at all, or just everyone else? If he doesn't claim to be saved, then sure, anything goes, there are no rules. Sleep with whomever you wish, cut anyone down you wish, act however you want, I get it.
But if you make the claim to Christ, can you still pursue these things with impunity and NOT be expected to be called out for it.

I already know the answer I'll get. There is no shame.

He had no man cave.

Matthew 8:20
Jesus replied, �Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.�

People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. Having a form of Godliness but denying it's power. Have nothing to do with them.

They are the kind that worm their way into homes and gain control over weak willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.

...men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.

Doesn't sound like Steelhead at all does it?
Did you get that last part? R-E-J-E-C-T-E-D

No expert here, but I'm more or less of the opinion that one makes their own hell by not building anything else.

There's probably a better way to phrase it,..but it's not coming to me at the moment.

In any event,..this "human" stuff is difficult to overcome,..and nobody does it completely.

The human is where we reside.

Being able to recognize that the human isn't who we are takes a *lot* of work,...and I'm nowhere's close to being able to do so,..and I probably never will. But that's the way it is for most people,..except for maybe a small handful of Monks scattered here and there who devote their lives to doing so,..and probably only a small percentage of them.

And your just like a few others knowledge of the Bible is quite embarrassing.
I could explain it to you but you would turn your blind eyes away.
It's quite simple really.

So......... once a man makes the claim that God has "saved him", you would restrict his speech to what is acceptable to you?

If he really was saved he wouldn't do it in the first place....ie, blasphemy.

Yep, asking if Jesus would have a man cave is blasphemy.

Maybe not but this was......

throughout history there's been two basic types of Christians. one type are of the Patriarchs of the Desert stripe. the other goes forth, takes wives and husbands, and lives in the secular world.

the monks usually don't marry, but remain divided, more or less. the remainder of us populate the cities and countryside. if jesus lived today, would he be more of a monk or a married Christian?

That's as good an explanation of what's really going on here (Earth, reality, whatever you want to call it) as any I've heard.

I highlighted the gist of it but the rest is good, too. I think we're put here specifically to work on that. It does take a lot of work and only few (if any) are totally successful but we all get big A's for the effort, so the effort is worth it.

We do create our own heaven or hell right here and now.

So Mary M. is sacred now? Did I type'Jesus pumped her cunny twice' (I needed to type that because once again you are too stupid to understand much}.

Well actually the whole gist of the thread is.

I fully understood what you MEANT.
I can read between the lines.

Which ones are the greater sins Tommy? Why do you champion some and foster others? I know the reason, because you are a miserable Christian but like to pretend to be one.

I'm fairly certain you'll have a front row sit in hell Tommy, but don't worry, I'm praying for your wretched soul daily and twice on Sunday.

I doubt you pray for anything but your own elevation.

You can READ between the lines? You can comprehend the lines, period, much less read between them.

Good to know you are omnipotent, I'm pretty sure Christ would found your above to be blasphemy too, but you'll never understand what a miserable Christian you are.

It's the little things I've picked up that first started making me think there was something to it all.

In particular, how some people behaved,..how realistic was their responses to certain things.

Pretty much everyone knows about the blind beggar that the Messiah made see.

His response to the Pharisees makes me give out a good laugh.

First, they called the man before them and questioned him.

Then they called his old parents before them and scared them to death by questioning them.

Then they called the formerly blind beggar back a second time.

By now,..he's getting put out with the whole thing.

After all,...he's already been subjected to living life as a blind beggar,..he's spent his life on absolute rock bottom,..so he wasn't particularly intimidated by what the Pharisees said or did.

So the second time they called him to account, he gets in their faces.

4 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. �Give glory to God by telling the truth,� they said. �We know this man is a sinner.�

25 He replied, �Whether he is a sinner or not, I don�t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!�

26 Then they asked him, �What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?�

27 He answered, �I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples too?�

28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, �You are this fellow�s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! 29 We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don�t even know where he comes from.�

30 The man answered, �Now that is remarkable! You don�t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will. 32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.�

lol,...that's pretty real. He had had enough of their nonsense.

"Why'd you call me back in here again? Ive already TOLD you!',...You want to be his Disciple too?"

fwiw, I don't care if the intent was a slap at Jesus, Christians, or man caves.

Not sure why anyone is getting a ragged ass over anything Scott says on the matter.

Frankly, if the OP wants to take pokes at Christians and Jesus for whatever reason, I reflect back that Paul was actually killing them before his revelation.

Y'all are still breathing, although some close to hyperventilation.

As far as the "right on cue" bickering between brothers, let's all take time to revisit Galatians, and the gist of the conflict there.

Pay special attention to Chapter 3, here's the Contemporary English Version:

I pray daily for you also. It is ones duty to pray for the damned. I pray your family eventually has someone worthy of being called father.

Sin is sin regardless...one is just as bad as the other.
As a matter of fact there is only ONE sin and that is unbelief...all others are attributes of sin or unbelief.
I have to die out to myself on a daily basis...never said I was a perfect Christian.
Thank you for your prayers, though I doubt they get heard.

Prayers sent again. It's a shame to know so many families are being lead astray by so many wretched souls. It's easy to see how the devil has taken hold. Let the devil go Tom, you can be saved. Do it for your family man.

Praise Jesus

Easy to read, harder to live...

Thanks for the post. It's good to be reminded of the essence of Christianity, rather than the essence of some Christians.

Sycamore

As a Christian, I am convicted by reading that. Don't confuse righteous indignation with evil with arrogance in position.

Ha. You kill me. You can do better. Come again...

Any of this sound familiar Tommy? You admire people for standing for the beliefs, so long as their beliefs are yours. If that ain't typical 'liberal' speak, I don't know what is.

That's some good stuff, Bristoe. Ain't it funny how so many posters on here want to hash to death the "deep, dark, mysteries" but rush right on past the parts of the scriptures that are plainly written?

That part about not having the "Love of God in you" if you hold onto a second coat while your "brother" has none is a real deal-killer for me.

But I'm glad He said "coats" instead of "guns".

Me and Him both know me real well. The rest of you are just guessing.

I didn't know I had "elevated" Steelhead.
Thanks for the heads up.


Ever notice how self righteous the "righteous" are?

I thought the thread was about Sweet Baby Jesus.

now, the whole thingy has devolved into talking about each other.

I wonder if the sadducees, pharisees, Essenes, Gnostics, and Jesus's crowd talked about each other in a similar manner?

Amazing that some feel compelled to belittle the religious beliefs of others.

Like a good Christian, I confine my religious belittling to radical Muslims who want to destroy our country, not the people who actually built it.

But that's just the way I roll.

Agreed.
How does one attain the "good" status?
I would also be interested in the "better" step...above just "good".
Thanks in advance.

Don't you know they are no worse than Christians?

There is a little irony in my post. May want to take another look.

Thank you John.
I will do so.

Said the pharisee's....

Huh!?

Please give us your definition of blasphemy....

Give it a rest for crying out loud..geeez

Maybe I am naive, but I wouldn't have given this thread half the pages it's attained so far.

You've been here long enough to know that's not going to happen.

Give the cries of "give it a rest", a rest.

Just move along if you don't like what you're reading...

It's OK, Hug. God has a sense of humor (referring to what some on here said). He thinks it's funny when His azzhole pals pick at the scabs on other people's asses (this is sarcasm). (OK, insert sarcasm icon)

You pick scabs off of eyeball's ass/head?

You boys are something.

It would only rise up again after 3 days.



Clyde

Let me see if I get this straight. Some revered and most senior member posts a topic that could be aimed at slamming a group here for their convictions and beliefs and those who respond are the bad guys.

I have read it before many times here. All who follow Christ are lairs and bad guys but don't take offense, just roll over ant take the insults. OK, that is what I have done. No insults, no name calling no getting my blood pressure up.

I admit I am a Christian, therefore I admit I am nothing more that a piece of filth unworthy of the O2 I breathe. I admit I have never told anyone the truth. I admit I will cheat and or steal from you every time I can. I highly recommend anyone who is offended by this put me on ignore as a troll.

But what the hell do I know, I am the new guy around here, Scott was here way before I was so he gets to say what I should believe.

This^^^^

It's pathetic when the mocking of Jesus becomes public forum fodder.

The message of Jesus is certainly offensive to non-believers, and some of them love to exercise their constitutional rights to be offensive to believers by blaspheming Jesus.

Many of the remarks reflect the indifference of non-believers in a vulgar and callous way, but that was probably the purpose in the first place.

Reminder for the mockers: "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap." Galatians 6:7

Are the mockers the worst of sinners?
Are "lighter" sins "better"?
When you, as a known sinner everyday, are in heaven and you see a campfire "mocker" there, will you be sorry?.... or ask for a higher palace, since you were a "lighter" sinner?
Thanks.

from reading some of the previous posts, there appears to be a bit of self-flaggelation going on here among at least a few.

I think the muslims and hindu's or certain sects thereof, also engage in such. I think they do it for attention, but not sure.

what does anyone think about Judas? a lot of folks thought he was in cahoots with Jesus to set up the whole arrest thing by the roman soldiers. was Judas a key part of the crucifixion scenario?

Darn John, it was a joke. I only dig stuff out of eyes that is stuck in them, anyway.

Fine - all well and good - not even expected in many cases. Not a recommended strategy with regard to the Word of the Master.

Very good.

It would appear your "point" was to demean Christians. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Can you tell me how my post helped you do that other than allowing you to claim it did?

thank you sir

GFY while I GFM

I wouldn't say that. I think He said all will be held accountable for every idle word.

A merry heart doeth good [like] a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Amen.

For sure.

Follow it back and you'll find no beginning. Follow it forward, you'll find no end. Satan is allowed to suit God's purpose, as are we all. No mystery there.

Jesus has prepared a most excellent mancave for his children.

Been away a couple of days. Nice thread.

Do owners of man caves lay their heads in said cave?

Or are their heads laid on the lacy pillows provided by their wives?

Is that not a children cave?

Satan himself could quote scripture, of ANY faith, to serve his own purpose...

Good reason to read more than one verse, eh?

Good reason to trust only Jesus's writings and the true communication of God through the Holy Spirit.

Kent

Which chapter did Jesus write? I must have missed that one.

I'm still trying figure out how God has offended some of our members so severely, that they feel compelled to start pushing an anti Christian agenda.
One thing stands out though, deliberately insulting another fellow's basic religious beliefs, is just not friendly. Nor is it necessary.

Lots of unfriendly people with big mouths. Gets old.

Fear.

I wonder why these trolls are responded to at all...it's always the same chit stirrers.

Combine chit stirrer with a bad attitude and low self esteem and this is what you get.

Therefore evil is allowed because it's God's will. Why?
Well from what I've been told it's because so the we might have free will?

So, having a child die a long lingering death of say, bone cancer in a third world hovel, is to allow her parents to chose and express their love of God.

Yeah, color me skeptical. If God does exist, and I'm in no way certain either way, I serious doubt he GAS. More like, "Here you go. I set you up and now it's up to you. I'm off to work on other [bleep]".

BTW I asked a question a while back about heaven. Apparently no evil in heaven. Is there free will there? Puzzling. If it's a dilemma that is beyond the scope of my mortal mind, then why not have that here and now. Again may be I don't have enough wrinkles in my cortex to sort it all out.

You know, I don't care what anyone believes if it helps to get them though this life and they are not hurting others.

Pretty good rule and I'm not above breaking it occasionally. But it helps ME get through this life. I'll listen to your rules as long as you don't condemn me for not keeping them.

You guys have good time this weekend. Deer season is full on. Got out last weekend but no bucks. Got a doe tag that's good in a couple weeks.

It's clearly stated in the book of revelations.......
There are some who will and some who won't, and that is just how life and death will be.....

it is good this thread is making it's way back to jesus, and folks aren't attacking each other for differences in beliefs.

earlier it was asked if Jesus had a favorite cut of pork. no one seemed to know.

I don't know if jesus could read or write or not? I've not seen anything he's written. I think he operated in the Oral Tradition?

he learned the Oral Tradition during the Lost Years? maybe he studied under Holy Men from India and Holy Men from Egypt then returned to his Birth place?

anyways, it's good to see Jesus again on the front burner, while we get away from excoriating members who have a different perspective.

I have read that in other sources as well, but since everyone has their own opinion it's up in the air as to whether or not that's true. I just found it interesting that you had mentioned it.

Are you referring to me or was that simply a "Quick Reply"?

Once a year, Mannlicher says something I can agree with.

+1

Sycamore

I just heard this last night but I really like it.
With that I give you Tecumseh


So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion;respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.

Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.

When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.

Good and natural to ask questions - of God and of man, including Christians of course - but need to be careful in considering the "answers" provided by humans, including Christian humans. Even those who mean the best and are steeped in Scriptural knowledge are far from knowing and understanding it all - no pat answers there. God has that knowledge, and wise men seek it.

Yes, people will do what they need to do to make it through this life and I agree that it is not our lot to demean or attack their beliefs or religious practices as long as those do not negatively affect our lives and well-being. Although Christianity is a lot about how one should live this life, the focus for Christians is beyond this life - eternity - and the eventual Knowledge.

Good post CCCC. Steve as quoted no one has all the answers but I will give you my view in a nut shell.

God never intended men to live with any evil. In Heaven when God is completely in control, all evil is done away with. God gave the earth to man and man let evil in. Everything God does now is through a man because man has the control of the earth. When that time period has expired in which God has given man control, God will take back the earth and fix all the problems. The earth still belongs to God, but we in effect are leasing it. God would be unjust to take control before the lease runs out. God can help when we ask for help through grace and faith but that doesn't mean we can do anything we want and cry for help every time our deal goes bad. God wants us to live a way that will keep us from those problems in the first place.

I don't believe God uses the devil as his enforcer, to teach us or keep us in line. I do believe God teaches us even in our difficulties just as a parent would use a child getting burned on the stove to teach them. The parent does not want the child to get burned but he would be foolish not to use it as a lesson. All things work together for the good of those who love God, but only because God is constantly working good , even in the midst of destruction. God didn't cause the destruction, but he will use it to teach and turn it to his purpose of good if we will allow him.

RH, Good as answer as any. May we both sleep well.

You didn't miss it and neither do I... in the context of scripture being used for ulterior motive, Satan or man.

Jesus could have left volumes to be corrupted.. instead he left his biological and spiritual footprint... an lesson through life and death.

Simple, inclusive and uncorruptible.

Kent

A saying I've read is:

Suffering is God's blessing upon you. He's trying to teach you something!

a use of the quick reply window.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. I do not believe God intends for us to suffer, though he surly knows we will. In my view God doesn't put suffering on anyone. The earth is cursed because we let evil take control. Bad things happen to good people because we live in a fallen world. Jesus, told us to be of good cheer, because he had overcome the world, but we rarely trust completely in him.

Suffering is not a blessing. If it was, we should all pray for more suffering. The blessing does often come through suffering, but only because when we suffer enough, we surrender and turn to God. We could surrender at any time if we weren't so full of pride.

Disbelief is healthy. It shows one has not given up.....

It' not only allowed, it's essential. God created evil. Evil is necessary for God's purpose, which in regards to man, is to separate the wheat from the chaff. But I believe His purpose for all of this is far beyond that.

Not so we might have free will, but so we could use it or misuse it. Choices. That's probably what you meant, but that's how I look at it.

Nope. That, and things more terrible, gross, perverse, and disgusting, are side-effects of humanity and their inablities. God didn't give rise to things such as you mention, though He knew they would happen. We have the ability inside of us to stop them, but don't/can't/won't.

None of this is about us, but about Him. We are simply a device for His purpose. I don't know exactly what that might be, but have some guesses. Anyway it's His ball, His game, His rules. Play to win, or play to lose, or pretend you (rhetorical you) aren't playing. Everyone is a player and there are no timeouts, draws or mulligans. One rule: Love. Four impossible letters. To get over the impossiblity, there is a substitution: Jesus. Accept what and why He did what He did, and you're in.

There was evil in heaven. God created it, Lucifer embraced it, and a bunch of angels along with him. They got kicked out, but I beleive God lets them in from time to time. Maybe not. But the ability to turn from good/God, will always exist. But once those who do get to heaven see the deal they get, I believe evil will become moot.

Some people believe everyone will go to heaven. I hope that's true, but believe it's not. I Don't condemn anyone. If a person has breath they have a chance and I hope they all find a way to sort it out and take it. Condemnation will happen when there is no chance and that's God's job.

I'm hoping to put some meat in the freezer and can some, this year. I hope you are successful, too. If I get out, that's success enough, but still would like some meat. See how we are?

Ricky
I don't hold the same views of God creating evil and interpret scripture differently. Just as CCCC said before, even Christians have very different beliefs about certain aspects of scripture. The important thing is that we agree we need a savior and his name is Jesus.

I didn't post to argue so let's leave it at that and encourage everyone seeking answers to delve into the scriptures and through prayer and communication with the author, find their own answers.

Sam's got a clue! Sam's got a clue!

....leaning on ones own understanding, which He says won't be healthy for long.

Does anyone else find is rather interesting that Scott started them mess then dropped out only to post how nice it is that kids wear Christian Tee shirts on his bus.

Wonder why he lets those awful Christians on his bus.

Plate said we should step outside the cave in order to see the real world, and not just he mere shadows of this world. It is the organized Clergy that would herd us back into the cave.

As for Jesus, if he did, he sold it:
Luke 18:22 ...sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

I know that. We've had this discussion before. Amicably, I believe.

That's something we agree on, too.

And there's another.

Thanks brother. I just thought we might should give an example of how to disagree. I wish you well with your hunting season. I'm not going until it cools off a little here. It's been in the 80's but very humid the last few days. I've been replacing a floor and sweating about 2 gallons a day.

The idea is not that God willfully brings suffering into our lives. This is kind of simplistic, but it's more like he set up a bunch of invisible fences. You can run and play around all you want in these areas, but get close to the fence and ZAP! You suffer. He's not stopping you from going there, you have free will to do so, but if you go there it hurts. Like a little kid learns not to touch a hot stove. God's telling us these are the places we shouldn't go. Not physically, like don't go to Las Vegas, but emotionally or spiritually or whatever other way you want to look at it.

Again, this may sound a bit silly but two of the best explanations of how the world is set up came from Jewish comedians, Henny Youngman and George Burns.

"God, it hurts when I do this."
"Then don't do that!"

At the end of the movie "Oh, God", George Burns as God is leaving and John Denver asks him the meaning of life or something like that. God says, "Look, I've given you everything you need to be happy. The rest is up to you."

Others are welcome to their views, but those work for me.

You naively assume that Scott/Steelhead doesn't know EXACTLY what he's posting and exactly what he's fishing for. He's a Master Baiter.

As to the inevitable next question, how about little kids with cancer or some horrible disease not of their own fault, or populations massacred by despots or something? I don't know.

Earlier in this thread (I think) it was mentioned that we aren't really this human body, we're only trapped in them for a while. The object of being here is to recognize that and overcome it.

So you all will have to ask God about that first paragraph here when you see him. I just accept that he's got a reason that is beyond me, and let it go at that.

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This

Earlier, someone wanted to know why someone why non-believers would choose to enter this debate. Jim demonstrates how, like a billion other people, he's completely willing to suspend the use of his reason and logic and critical thinking, when it conflicts with a 4k year old book. Jim seems like a decent guy, and I do not suspect he would reason an critical thinking for any other literary work that conflicted with his sense of right and wrong. It's when the Bible is understood as man made literature we can examine it's deeper implications for the human condition.

Many - maybe most - of us have sensed a Spiritual Dimension "over yonder", or "right here" at different points in our lives. We taste that "peace that passes all understanding", and realize that WE have created all the conflicts in our minds.

I believe that "that dimension" is Reality, and is our real home.

But... that's not where we live now.

It is right and proper that we consider THIS as reality, and the suffering of the aforementioned afflicted child as being real and horrible, and we should do whatever we can to alleviate it.

My speculation stops right at this point.

I have no answers beyond what I've stated here.

Because I have no more questions.

And...... it is MY answer. It may not satisfy any other human on this earth.

Actually fireball I think Scott f does know exactly what Stoolhead had in mind when hrs started this thread.
And to be honest it might have took him a little longer than some but I think he has seen the light on our little friend.
But I could be wrong cause after all I'm nothing more than a hypocrite.

I am tracking with you brother. Fight the good fight.

That was directed in order to be perfect.

Anyone who thinks a man or group of men sat down and wrote down the perfection exhibited in the parables of the Bible with out a superior force will have eternity to contemplate the temerity of their stupidity.

No sir, I have not assumed that at all. I know he started this thread with the intent to demean and slander good people. His condescending looking down his nose and everyone but himself while belittling the beliefs of others is a long standing pattern.

What all were Christians called either out right or by inference in this thread?

Wake up folks, this was a trolling post from the first letter typed in the subject line.

A few christians (lower case by intent) have hurt him in the past. I wish I could find the post where a christian slammed Scott buy telling him his sister was in Hell. Therefore he infers that all Christians are bad.

Well, they did have something, but I'm just not sure I would call it a "superior force". The earliest portions of the Bible were set to paper around 1450BCE, but Cuneiform writing goes back to around 4000BCE giving the Bible authors 2500 years of literature to draw upon. The flood story of Gilgamesh was written around 2500 BCE, preceding the Biblical version by over 1000 years. Many of those Biblical parables and stories had already with stood the test of time before they were ever written in Hebrew or Greek. It's no mystery, good literature often draws from history and old sources that was are already familiar and comfortable with.

BS

One only need to look that he (scott/stillhead) feels compelled to atempt insult to those who choose to believe in something good. tells you all you need to know about him.

My signature was derived from what romans 1:20 means to me. ANYBODY that spends time outdoors has to believe there is a god but for some they equate god with his church and his church isn't perfect, or they don't want to be accountable or don't like the idea of or have understanding of how he works. I don't have much figured out but when I'm outside in nature I know there is a god because design demands a designer. I studied other religons but only 1 has been God seeking man not man seeking god. To me Jesus make way more sence that all the other (religons). I don't think christianity is a religon its a way of life and Im not very good at it most of the time. Like my signature says I'm an idiot but it not that hard for me to understand. I know who jesus is and I don't really give a $hit what somebody else thinks of him or me. I got plenty of issues so dealing with myself is a full time job, I don't need to worry about some one else.

Yep. You have it nailed. A troll plain and simple. Always follows these with a few warm fuzzy kitten threads to regratiate himself to the cheerleaders. A master of deception, trickery, and insincerity.

Yep, that he is.

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The highly educated are more likely to lean on their own explanation (understanding) and be misled. They know it all and can't make a hair on their head.

Should we then be willfully ignorant,so that we don't learn to much and become non-believers? Might sound strange, but I do know some people who actually find this logical.

The Lone Ranger and Tonto went camping in the desert. After they got their tent all set up, both men fell sound asleep.

Some hours later, Tonto wakes the Lone Ranger and says, 'Kemo Sabe, look Towards sky, what you see?


'The Lone Ranger replies, 'I see millions of stars.'

What that tell you?' asked Tonto.

The Lone Ranger ponders for a minute then says, 'Astronomically speaking, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo. Time wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter Past three in the morning. Theologically, the Lord is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant. Meteorological, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. What's it tell you, Tonto?'

"You dumber than an Obama voter. It means someone stole the tent."

You know, I've never read the Bible, at least not the whole thing. I read the first 8 books or so of the New Testament (love the first four) but got tired of Paul's self centered attitude. I've also read some selected verses in that portion that is a collection of Jewish history and mythology. The Psalms are very pretty and I really like them. But while a lot of the things in the first four books of the second part are great, the whole book is not what I'm going off of.

I have read the Tao te Ching - great book! - and the Bhagavad Gita all the way through, the Tibetan Book of the Dead (boring!), the poems of Jalal al'din Rumi (only other poet I ever liked besides e.e. cummings), some writings of Marcus Aurelius, Emerson's essays, Tolstoy, some 20th century psychologists like Jung and a bunch of other guys not affiliated with any sect or religion whose names escape me at the moment. I spent an entire summer reading "Psychological Commentaries on the Teachings of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky" - all five frickin' volumes! I've also dabbled in physics, how this universe works at the atomic and smaller level - Hawking and Michiu Kaku can explain it without talking down to you.

FWIW, I have been a computer programmer and analyst for 32 years now, I make my living dealing with stone cold logic.

But ultimately "Reason" has nothing to do with it. I am convinced there is a higher power and ultimately this higher power is benevolent. This higher power isn't owned by any one sect or religion and our wars and hatred and destruction to prove otherwise probably make this higher power just shrug his metaphorical shoulders and say, "whatever".

Folks who do not accept this higher power try to prove rationally why there is no higher power and that's cool with me. I just finished a book titled "The History of God" by a very scholarly ex-nun who traced the attitudes and evolving beliefs about this character or thing commonly known as "God" and the Greeks, some sects of Muslims, Jews and Christians have all gone round and round about that for 4,000 years. They try to prove he exists philosophically, they try to prove it rationally, they eventually all give up and just say f*** it, he exists so don't worry. Then a few hundred years later some more folks try to do it all over again.

Along with the age of reason in the 1700's a lot of folks said, "if you can't see, hear, touch, taste or smell it, it doesn't exist." And we're still very much in that period.

I'm not here to convince anybody one way or the other. And I don't want to hear from those folks who want me to accept their image of this God. A favorite prayer of mine is "God, please save me from those people who want to save me." My salvation is my business and someone else's salvation is their business and not my responsibility.

I just know that this higher power exists. I'm not going to say why I know because I'm pretty sure that proof presents itself to each person in a way unique to that person. As to exactly what this higher power is and what it's all about - the hell if I know! An ant understands the inner workings of a microchip far better than we can understand the workings of this higher power. That's another conclusion everyone in history who was serious about this came to.

Again, I'm not here to convince someone else yea or nay. But I have spent five years studying this, seriously. Since 2008 I have devoted my life to finding out what people in all places and throughout history have learned and thought about this. Seek and ye shall find. So I sought - earnestly, that's the whole key - and just let chance and intuition guide me as to where to look next.

Folks who lived 1500 years before that Jewish carpenter was born, folks who by physical location never heard of Jesus will all tell you the same thing about the human condition as he did. They tell you how to be happy here and now, not "do good and you'll get a pass to a Golden Gated Community in the Sky by and by". As Pascal's wager states, if doing good helps when I'm dead, cool. If not, oh well. But I lived a happy life. At least I've learned how to live a happy life. The first 50 years sucked, but these last five have been great and it gets better with each passing day.

So, if I lose Mr. Pascal's wager, so what? I have learned to relax, I don't harbor hatred or anger toward people, I wish them well no matter what religious sect or political stripe they are. Not because I'm afraid of the Big Guy in the Sky and his retribution like the old Jews were and a lot of fire and brimstone Christians will tell you today. I have learned to love because someone, something, somewhere, set it up so our anger and hatred only hurts ourselves.

But all this transformation happened because I just accepted that there is a higher power. That doesn't stop me from believing in quarks or dark matter or evolution or anything else our scientists, men of reason, have discovered. But in our arrogance going back about 300 years, we think we know it all. There have been geniuses and educated people throughout history and each one thought he "knew it all" - flat earthers, Greeks and their earth, air, fire and water, et cetera. I just believe that there is something "out there" we can't discover through physical exploration. "Out there" is really a misdirection - you have to look inside yourself. The Indians and some Chinese are a lot better at that than we are, btw, and they're not even "Christians".

Well, sorry to take everyone's time if you've managed to make it this far. But again, what you all believe is up to YOU. Don't let anyone berate you into their way of thinking because I guaran-damn-tee they don't know what's best for you, only you do.

So if someone doesn't want to believe there is a "God" - I think that word sucks because there is way too much emotional crap attached to it, we need a different one - but if someone doesn't want to believe there is a higher power, that's really okay with me. I am firmly convinced that there is.

How do you mean ignorant. He refers to it as leaning unto our own understanding. We are free to study and learn. In fact, He said we would do miraculous things. That doesn't mean to put our knowledge above that of the Master.

Many dont wish to deal with the restrictions being a Christian makes on them and use the fact a "Christian" mistreated them as an excuse to blame Him. Whether it be a Christian or heathen, God said to only depend on Him. .

Ignorant as in avoiding education. It was stated that the highly educated would be more likely to be mislead, so I was simply asking if it would therefre be wise to avoid too much education.

Jim in Idaho has said what I think much better than I could write it.

I thought I answered. He told us we have to live in this world. He didnt tell us to be ignorant. I figure its pretty clear one can get all the education they want, but when one starts thinking they know it all or that they weren't created by the Creatorbut by accidental happenstance they are messing up. Water is good but too much can absolutely drown a person.

Jim, Excellent post!

Ed

Everyday science proves unbelievers wrong.

http://news.discovery.com/history/r...eds-light-on-biblical-history-130731.htm

A few characters on the side of a 3,000-year-old earthenware jug dating back to the time of King David has stumped archaeologists until now -- and a fresh translation may have profound ramifications for our understanding of the Bible.

Experts had suspected the fragmentary inscription was written in the language of the Canaanites, a biblical people who lived in the present-day Israel. Not so, says one expert who claims to have cracked the code: The mysterious language is actually the oldest form of written Hebrew, placing the ancient Israelites in Jerusalem earlier than previously believed.

"Hebrew speakers were controlling Jerusalem in the 10th century, which biblical chronology points to as the time of David and Solomon," ancient Near Eastern history and biblical studies expert Douglas Petrovich told FoxNews.com.

"Whoever they were, they were writing in Hebrew like they owned the place," he said.

Can you be more specific?

Really??

But we can grow new noses:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ed-original-after-accident-29613812.html

Jim, I've long held the path to Enlightenment (for westerners) is a road passing through one of the Abrahamic religions, meandering through the lands beyond, until the traveler discovers their transcendent principles that brings them peace with their place in the Universe. It's always fun to meet a fellow travel who's made it past the first small town, most in our culture never do. You've walked a few trails I've yet to discover. Thanks for sharing, I enjoy the prospect of new spiritual paths open to discovery.

Ricky, in terms of archeological discoveries, the Bible's batting about 500. As for the above story, many archeologist contend the Jews were in Palestine long before the supposed time of the Exodus, so discovering early Hebrew writing after this time frame is not earth shattering, and neither confirms or refutes the overall validity of the Bible.

My nose can smell.

Congrats Jim on a sane world view w/o the blind cant, intolerance, and outright quackery that is often shoveled around here.

Of course, you will not be able to set up a tent and shakedown the rubes for nickels with it but it will see you through to the other side w/o insult to the human race.

1B

Jim, one of the better posts I've read on the fire.

Jim kinda got us off track. He must be be an agent of Satan.

All REAL Christians need to get back to castigating Steelhead.

Anybody ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, Steelhead is exactly what we say? I know crazy right?!!!

Hate the Christians all you want, doesn't change the fact that Steelhead's a troller.

That's much too abstract........... proper hate needs a person to focus on.

Steelhead has at least ONE redeeming virtue; he rid us of BLAINE, aka AFP.

I could hear your voice saying that as I read it.

I'll be right back, I need to clean up the sarcasm that dripped onto my keyboard.

Ed

Jim, good points all.

the rules & regs. of YHWH seem to live on in some modern day Christian sects.

Yep, he did! There is a lot more I could say about that but won't say more than Blane did a LOT more harm that good.

Scott has many more redeeming values that just that. In years past he has shared his artistry with a camera and added much to the knowledge base on hunting and fishing among other things. He really pisses me off when he starts posts like this one but he would be welcomed in my home any day of the week.

Same here.

Ed

I met Scott for the first time in March at the boar hunt, and while I didn't spend as much time with him as some here, I found him to be a real sweet, gentle soul in person and face-to-face.

One thing about him, though. It seems like every time Scott sees a man with a poker up his ass, he just has to reach out and give it a little shake. He's funny that way.

I bet he just had to ring the ship's bell every time he walked past it, too.

Ed

He's been in my camp and we both survived.

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after much pulling, pushing and plugging along a few of the faithful got this thread back on the subject of the OP, no not Steelhead but JC.

then after just a few threads, back in the ditch again, attacking an individual rather than speaking of the subject of the OP.

as an aside, i'm thinking of acquiring a heavy gold necklace with a cross on it also made out of Gold. a lot of folks on here are attracted to Gold. and I want everyone to know of my Beliefs when I walk in the street with a big Gold necklace and crucifix hanging around my neck. should the crufix be plain or fancy?

About 50 lbs I'd say.

And people accuse Steelhead of being a troll.

Ed

I wouldn't want such ornamentation to appear too ostentatious. ya know?

maybe I could hire TRH to help me carry it down the street? afterall, Gold is not very lightweight.

Wow. Quite the thread.
I always find it interesting how people interpret different things. I have a fairly good understanding of the world, and everything in and it on it, from my own experiences. These experiences, including learning's and knowledge, have taught me that without a doubt, most religions in the world have several teachings in common. Why is that? How can that be? I am also smart enough to figure out that the Bible was written by men, not God. These men, like most, had an agenda. The same agenda of the men that wrote the rest of the religious scriptures in the world.
Having said this, does that mean I am going to go to Hell? Does this mean that I can't be saved? Who determines this? Other "Christians"? One of the recurring themes I spoke about, is "Treat others as you would wish to be treated". I don't see a lot of that going on here. Another is "Forgiveness". I don't see a lot that here either. Why is that?
Religion wise, I really could care less what anyone says, or does, as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat. What, who, or how I believe is my choice, and if I choose, I will spend my time with like minded people. I even spend time with people that have religious views that I don't share, but we still enjoy each others company. That's the shove down the throat part.
Bottom line, how can a man, judge another man, on an internet forum, in Gods name? And then quote versus, that another man wrote, to make it justified?
If everyone was going to get their feathers in a knot, then why read and participate in the thread?
For the record, I also think that Jesus was a baller. A real Sh&t disturber. I think he took after His Father. Also, He would have had an awesome man cave with some pretty cool stuff in it. And at least 10 pairs of Aviators, and a fairly well stocked bar and handmade wine collection.

R.

Yea, it could become a millstone.

Man oh man, the so called Christians are hard at it again.

If there was ever a more 'My pussy hurts, life is tough, I should check out' sort than ScottF, I ain't seen it.

Amazing how you so call grown men can get so bent out of shape over one [bleep] joke.

Posts like what you dumbphuck? It was a frigging slam. Did you slam your cunny over at the Show me women caves thread?

I KNOW what was in my heart and head when I typed this thread and I'll not stand of a bunch of backward ass folks assuming otherwise.

Steelhead can sniff out the stupid [bleep], AFP was one. As is Tommy264 and Noballs.

It ain't difficult, but everyone wants some sort of tolerance whilst those POS do more harm then good.

And yet Muslims are open game, as are Jews and lots of time Catholics on this board.

This place has the hypocrisy to be a real grand CHRISTIAN forum.

Truly [bleep] amazing.

What Scott said evidently stuck a nerve. Scott, I want you to start being a little more nicer in your "Firery" condemnations. Some don't mind stomping toes until theirs gets stepped on.

I'm glad we don't have to worry about pussyfooting around The Lord like we best do concerning guess who.

Please show me where I have bashed any of your list. I can tell you up front I have no problems with Jews of Catholics. In reality the exact opposite is the truth. Now Muslims killing just for fun, raping and killing children and such does give me a problem as it should anyone. But there are peaceful Muslims, I have known and liked several.

I wish ScottF would go back to [bleep] in a bucket and Tommy taking care of his family.

Fireballs, well I'm guessing he knows his way around JO's anus.

This thread is still going on?

Wow...

Not sure why you are so pissed at me or the way I live. I think I have treated you pretty damned fair over the years. If this is the way you want to go on just let me know. I can live with it just fine.

Edited to add:

Please note I am not the one who started the Christ bashing thread.

Scott F, I guess this is the part I don't understand. If someone is telling you how bad you are, a thief, and so on, based solely on your beliefs, then why would you even listen? Why would even consider putting yourself in that situation, with those types of people? I wouldn't. I wouldn't expect it from others, either. Its an easy way to avoid getting irritated and upset.

From what I know, you seem like a decent, hard working fellow. The rest of whatever your beliefs are, doesn't really matter to me, nor should they matter to anyone else.

I guess my point is, to you and everyone else, would be something like this: If you don't want to see pornography, then don't walk into a pornographic theatre.

R.

This is why he calls you a puzzy.

FWIW, this is not an effective technique. It's a bitchy, passive/aggressive tactic that doesn't work. Try something else.

Do you know why you always take two Mormons fishing with you? Because if you only take one, he'll drink all your beer.

The best part about church, MILFS.

My "beliefs" are my own. Your "beliefs" are yours. Move on...

Do your "beliefs" make you better than me, in your mind?
And why would I move on? I certainly don't have my panties bunched up.

R.

That's not what I'm saying. But perhaps you shouldn't open, read, and participate in a thread you know is going to bother you...

R.

I'm guessing it ain't all about you in the first place. Try not making it personal. If somebody wants to make Jesus jokes, let em but please stop the woe is me shyt. It's like hanging a kick me sign on yer azz.

Did you interpret my post that way? My apologies if ya did. Normal comprehension would read.....you do your thing...I'll do mine. That better??

It was the move on thing.
I most assuredly got the rest of it.
Thanks for you concern, though.

R.

Now that's funny!

Just catching up again. TFF. Religion's of peace aye? And there is this simple [bleep] Ed that just quite happily moves on with zero pheer.

Heck...why not.

Two novice nuns were walking through the park on their way to Sunday mass when a big black fellow built like a brick [bleep]-house and tooled up like a randy donkey leaps out and grabs them, throws them to the ground and ravishes them...after a bit the novices get up pull their habits back into a semblance of order and make their way toward the church, as they are tentatively moving through the park one of the two leans toward the other and whispers;
"what are we going to tell Mother Superior", at which the other leans in and say's;
"we will just have to tell her that we were ravished twice", the first starts at this and say's;
"but we were only attacked once'!
The second novice stops, turns toward the first and say's in a loud voice;
"but we ARE going back that way"?

Ok, that's funny and totally apropos to this thread....

Reminds me, these guys had a booth at our local craft brew fest (MAJOR Mormon area)...

Excommunicated Mormon Drinking Team

What's the matter Scotty poo???
Are you getting angry???
I can sense it in your comments.
My my, so much for tolerance right?
Why don't you go and start some more "happy" threads to gain back some of your followers.
I'm sure they will flock in droves to you.

The woman's one 'bout giving head is outstanding.

You gots Mormons down there? Sweet. I love Mormons.

P.S. They wear white shorts. Just sayin'.

Just like dealing with the leftists/liberals/democrats. When they can't engage in serious discourse because they know they're wrong they resort to this.