I shot them last year out of a 260 Remington. 129 grain SST's at well under 3000 fps. Shoulder shots, neck shots and rib shots. All equal dead deer. I wouldn't hesitate to use them again. The caveat being that the starting velocity be under 3k fps. (or the shots taken be at 150 yards or greater).

Each his own.

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