Fact: If you fire a shot you are responsible for that bullets impact point. Pass throughs and misses that injure the innocent are not acceptable. This is the standard for all and even more so for paid professionals. LE and most of the military lack the funding to train to this level so situations similar to this occur repeatedly.

Many critical posts regarding this incident are based on supposition based on the result of a fast moving fluid situation. Speculation and monday morning quarterbacking, largely by the untrained, is of recreational value only. I have yet to determine if the shots that killed the innocents were fired by the police or the perps, if anyone can verify this info let me know.

Question: should the cops have let the BGs and hostage go unimpeded and free of pursuit in hope of a better result? If so explain your reasoning and provide the training and experience that supports your conclusions.

This entire situation sucked mightily and was initiated by the actions of the perps. Most of the crap spewed on this thread resembles the mindless ramblings of the MSM.

We don't trust the MSM do we?


mike r


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Craig Douglas ECQC