yer all wrong, in 1975 i gunned my first of many big bores, 152 guntube launcher. M551a1. I have to admit its kinda funny to watch out of state hunters bring the biggest thing they have and end up eating tag soup. I still have the 1896 30-40 krag my grandfather used on elk. Have they gotten more armored or folks just to lazy or dont know how to hunt anymore.most folks i know here in eastern orygun use calibers from 6.5 to 30-06. Hell i have a new old winchester 670 300wm, never ever scoped it never fired it just donr need it.