In black powder days was thee 450 a big bore?

What Karl's post shows on the forums is the overwhelming and vast majority of shooters see the 375 as the start if the big bores. At the end of the day it is all about opinion.

It is not like saying 375 bullets won't fit a 9.3

iI will ask the same question I asked before. If you started a guns/ammo/hunting site would you have Big Bores start at 416 or as others have said 45.