Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by AKPENDUDE
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So no proof, no evidence. Just more internet talk. Exactly what I expected. Got it!!!

Feel free though to present evidence. I’ll wait.


1. No president in history whilst winning an election for the first time as ever lost seats in the House
2. No president in history, who's garnered more votes on his second term has ever lost. Obama won his second term with 8 million LESS votes
3. The two most critical bell weather states, Florida and Ohio went to Trump by a wide margin
4. PA mailed out approximately 850K mail in votes and they got over 2.5 M back, not to mention the fact there was no signature verification required
5. In GA, specifically Fulton County, more votes were cast that registered voters, most only had the president/Vp t selection marked with no other inputs on the rest of the candidates running for election
6. Mail in ballots in democrat run states were accepted without proper vetting AND said governors changed the rules when it is Constitutionally illegal to do so. Changing election rules is the purview of the legislatures and NOT the executive
7. In PA, Wis, Ga and Arizona, Trump was significantly ahead then all four states when "dark" after midnight and when dawn broke, Trump was behind.

Those are all facts




Pennsylvania did not have hundreds of thousands of phantom absentee ballots
By JUDE JOFFE-BLOCK
November 30, 2020


CLAIM: Pennsylvania election officials mailed out 1.8 million ballots but counted votes from more than 2.5 mailed ballots.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The statistic combines data from Pennsylvania’s June primary election, in which 1.8 million voters requested vote-by-mail ballots, and data from the general election, in which voters mailed back more than 2.6 million ballots that were counted.

THE FACTS: In the weeks before the November 2020 election, more than 3 million Pennsylvania voters requested vote-by-mail ballots.

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Data from Pennsylvania’s Department of State analyzed by the U.S. Election Project, an election data site maintained by University of Florida political scientist Michael McDonald, show 3,087,524 mail ballots requested and 2,629,672 mail ballots returned and counted.

But those figures were distorted at a legislative hearing in Gettysburg last week as President Donald Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani tried to argue there was fraud in Pennsylvania’s election.

Among Giuliani’s claims was that only 1,823,148 vote-by-mail ballots were sent to voters, and the fact that a much larger number of mailed ballots were counted in the election results suggested widespread irregularities.

“Now this is the part that is a mystery,” Giuliani said during the hearing. “Mailed ballots sent out, 1,823,148. But when you go to the count of the final count of the vote, there were 2,589,242 mail-in-ballots. What happened? How do you account for the 700,000 mail in ballots that appeared from nowhere?”

But there is no mystery. There were not 700,000 mail-in-ballots that appeared from nowhere.

Giuliani mixed two different statistics in his claim. State data show the 1,823,148 figure is actually the number of voters who requested a vote-by-mail ballot in the state’s June primary-- not in the general election.





yup.