I am not a hater on them, just that I have had 5-6 now at this point that have failed to hold zero, lost focus, or just haven't dialed correctly over the years. 1 6x42 Fixed and the rest were variables of one kind or another. As a whole the 6x36's and older M8 4X's have been very good at maintaining a zero. I wished they made more stuff I liked as being a retired Vet gives me a great discount on them, but it's rarely used for scopes these days.
