Originally Posted by dimecovers5
Originally Posted by Jim1611
I have felt for many years that Lincoln was the father of the huge federal government we have today. The war gave him what he needed to implement it. He the same as admitted it when he made the statement that freeing the slaves was not it's purpose. It's purpose was to preserve the union. So ever since we have been taught that
he was a great president and that he saved the union. That has been a diversion, in my eyes, to what the real purpose was. Never ever forget how near sighted most of us are. We view our world within the course of our own lifetimes. Men that form the future, whether for good or bad, do not. Lincoln was part of a master plan that is still playing out. This plan was forged in hell by the devil himself. There are no party lines in this. There is only good and bad. The Founders were on the side of good. They modeled this nation with God's approval. Any leader that goes against that has only one side to be in league with. Lincoln has also been portrayed as a man of God. I need to see evidence of that.


So let me get this straight...............you think Lincoln got rid of the evil of slavery to usher in a new evil of a huge federal government?

I'm reminded of this:

“How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end” (Mark 3:23-26).


What I am saying is that before Lincoln we were being governed by people that seemed to understand our founding as men like Adams, Monroe, Madison and others envisioned. During the war Lincoln moved away from that, in my opinion. This war allowed things to be done in regard to individual rights that had not been done. Instead of moving away from that after the war was over it was carried on to what we see today. It doesn't matter to me that he was a republican either. I truly think he had a vision before going into office and using slavery as a way to influence people to move that direction was something he took advantage of. He likely was one of the first to use Rahm Emanuel's idea of never let a good crisis go to waste. Slavery gave him the crisis and a crisis it was and still is today. I doubt many believe we absolutely had to have a war to free them but that's what he chose when he invaded Virginia. He chose a war to force people to stay involved in something they wanted out of. He was no different than the British after they read the Declaration of Independence. I agree our nation should be united but not under the heavy hand of an over reaching federal government but under the loving leadership of God through his Holy Spirit and the Bible. That is exactly what motivated the Founders to do what they did but I cannot see it as being what motivated Lincoln to start a war. The fruits of our out of control government are easily traced to Lincoln. Many since have built on that. He should have made his plea to the people to free the slaves as William Wilberforce did. He truly would have preserved the nation in doing so. Yet he chose a war.