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Re: Go figure, the vaccines don't work tylerw02 #17512747 08/14/22
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The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,708 Likes: 18 USA	Originally Posted by tylerw02 One paragraph of interest: "The Mu variant demonstrates a remarkable resistance to antibodies by convalescent plasma and vaccine-induced protection (Uriu et al., 2021). Pseudovirus model serological assay was performed on Mu variant infection. It was 9.1 times as resistant as the parenteral virus in response to mRNA-based vaccination (BioNTech), 2.0 times as resistant to neutralization by convalescent serum, and 1.5 times as resistant to neutralization by vaccine serum as the Beta variant. Similar resistance has been reported in inactivated vaccine-elicited antibodies (Xie et al., 2021)." I'm aware that this is what they pass off for studies, but they are not controlled, i.e., they don't randomly select one group to be vaccinated and another not to be (placebo), then compare the results in terms of who gets sick, who dies, etc.. The variables referenced above don't speak to real effectiveness against real illness in the real world. It's little more than mimicry of a controlled study, designed for success from the start, but bearing little relevance to actual effectiveness against illness and death. PS Once they've determined success for the vaccine (based on fake variables), they also eliminate the placebo group, making long term comparisons impossible.

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