Originally Posted by Godogs57
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by 79S
I see Bear Creek has gotten into the hammer forging business as well. I would buy this before the other. A lot of folks don’t like bear creek. I have one and it shoots fine for what it is and what I paid for it.

https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/556-20-bn-government-barrel-1-8-twist-rifle-std-rc-a2-m14.html

J, do you think the one he's asking about would be more accurate than what he already has? I'm also wondering how his rifle actually shoots and what ammo he's tried in it. I have had and seen many HBAR's shoot lights out. I'm sure you have seen the same thing. Those older Bushmasters, Colts, and even Oly Arms even shot well. It is my understanding that you shoot those high power rifle shoots with all the NRA rules and such. What have you seen? Some of the old guys I shoot with served in Vietnam, but they love their old A2's. Most use Colts, and the others I listed. One was a gunny sgt that shot at Quantico. Another bad assed old guy a retired Air Borne Ranger. Most guys served in the military, and they know how to shoot those rifles. Having some experience with the Windham Weaponry barrels, I would also consider an upper from them. Again, I'm wondering what the real world results would be with the cheap upper the OP is asking about? Have you seen anyone in your shooting circuit/world use them??? I also believe he's wanting an A2 configuration. Would it be better to buy a really good barrel, A2 upper receiver and run that? Or would you suggest he buys an A4 upper, so he can scope it and evaluate the accuracy/precision and then switch back to irons. Just to be sure it's the rifle and not the shooter causing this "poor accuracy"..

Godogs57, what ammo have you tried and what kind of accuracy do you typically get with your rifle. What upper do you actually have?? Colt, Bushmaster, Olympic Arms etc. etc...

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Hey Lawrence. Hope you’re doing well. This is a standard M-16 upper, Colt. It is not the HBAR heavy barrel. Standard weight. I get 4” or so groups at 100 but honestly I haven’t tried many loads yet to see how it’ll do. Shot 75 grain BTHP match and both Varget and 15. Oh, 3” groups or so at 100 and that was it. I’m just figuring I could probably do better.

Doing good my friend. Nice to see you post here in this forum. I still consider myself new to these AR's. These guys here know a lot about them though. What most of us here believe is a good barrel is key for good accuracy. 79s mentioned WOA, which is White Oak Armament. Those guys have phenomenal stuff and are usually quite accurate. Above standard for sure. There are some guys here like splattermattic that have had good luck with Bear Creek, maybe a couple others have had good luck with them as well. But that is not the norm. Most here don't really like them, maybe because they had bad luck before. I think they have gotten better over the last couple years or so, according to what I've read here. Thanks for answering my questions. I'm assuming those groups are 3 shots? Do you have any AR's set up with scopes?

Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

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