Another that gets me is the guys who have never killed animal X without a guide holding their hand giving advice on how things should be done. Exact same scenario as renting a whore and then telling your buddies how to bag hot chicks. Then there are the guys that have hunted elk for years and only killed a couple - these types like to give advice as well. I have only killed a handful of elk, all with a .280 with the exception of two that I killed with a bow. I'm no expert but I did do it on my own.