I would like to just hang out with scenar and learn a few things. Quite a few more on here that I would like to do that with too. As far as the guided/unguided thing, well I don't use one but thats only because I can't afford one! I would like too just so I could learn a little from one thats good and willing to teach. I've been lucky that each time I go I find elk, alot of missed oppurtunities also.