Next thing you know, these whack em and stack em experts will be telling us to use .243's on elk <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />. Plenty of elk have also been killed with 22s and if you are from Montana you know that plenty of cattle have been killed and rustled with 22s. Come on quit the bullshit. The guy needs good advice on a hunt that will cost him plenty of bucks - more than the new rifle by far. They only reason one would tout 25-06s and 257s for elk is if they (or their wife or teenager) is recoil shy. The guy needs to buy a larger caliber rifle - as big as he is comfortable shooting. And then he need to shoot it a lot to become comfortable with it. And if it ends up being a .270 (and I repeat the above suggestions that this should be the minimum caliber), he better be prepared to pass those deeply quartering away shots. And Mark how can you praise .340 Weatherbys on another post and 25-06s for elk here? Vic/