Never hunted them or even interacted with the beasts other than from afar... it takes ~ 15 years to accumulate enough points for a tag here, but I'm going this year!
It's going to be hot. THAT'S weird. Guessing a guy better have block ice in coolers ready to go at camp.
I'm bringing two rifles, my heavy long range 7 WSM and an unblooded 6.5 SAUM I built earlier this year. Both are loaded with ELD-M's. The heavy 7 has a big Nightforce (5.5-22) and the 6.5 SAUM has a 3-10 SHV. I'll also bring my little 8x Swaro SLC's and my "Big Eyes" Minox 13x's. I don't currently own a spotter.
My Leica rangefinder struggles past 750 or so in bright light.... but then so do I. In fact I hate shooting when it's hot. That will reel my range in some for sure.
Probably set up my wall tent to have a place to retreat to in the heat of the day- unless lopes are active then?
Basically any advice about hunting them will be appreciated. I know nothing.
The ones I hunt in Wyoming are easily huntable all day. They don't go in to the brush or trees. Although some of them do go pretty high. Close to 10000'.
I always hunted them in the afternoons between 12 and 4 because everyone else was either burned out from hurrying out early or bored. The antelope get a chance to rest and usually bedded on a slope at that, Mirage can be an issue but it is not like the goats are gonna go hide anywhere , No matter the conditions, I Gut, wash ,then skin and rewash as soon as feasible. If you are in a very limited area and there are not too many other hunters , They may bed on a hill with a breeze fairly early , but will be able to see for a long way around them. Where are you hunting them at????
Of all the antelope I have killed, very very few have been past 250 yards.Favorite goat gun is a sportarized 6.5 Swede with 130gr AB"S. I have taken quite a few of them running.They don't bounce up and down. Swing on them and just as they go out of the scope, fire.Usually a neck shot or double lung.
Our group hunted them for 10 years through the 1980's. One thing I noted was that they seemed less spooky the later in the day it got. Much more approachable late in the day. The very first one I got was between 9 and 10 a.m. on the opening morning. All I knew about hunting them was what I read in magazines and talking to a couple of friends. We found them to be relatively easy to hunt.
Our group hunted them for 10 years through the 1980's. One thing I noted was that they seemed less spooky the later in the day it got. Much more approachable late in the day. The very first one I got was between 9 and 10 a.m. on the opening morning. All I knew about hunting them was what I read in magazines and talking to a couple of friends. We found them to be relatively easy to hunt.
Wyoming260, Steens mountain in Oregon. My buddy has hunted them twice there; one of those times they were up high (9k or so) on the mountain. That'd be ok with me! But they are often down lower in the sage and juniper, I'm told.
No expert here but I would start high until you know what is going on and if they are all out in the sage brush. I have had several BC class antelope come check me out while sitting on the ridges glassing for Elk. Even though there were quite a few herds on the flats it seemed the bigger bucks were up high. This was during rut or pre-rut conditions so could have been that. Unnerving when an 80 point plus buck comes up to almost handshaking distance and you don't have a permit.
I would bring a light weight rig for hoofing it along the most broken country you can find, this especially if the road warriors are out and about. If in doubt then I would hunt within sight of any waterholes. In hot weather antelope will water daily and many times it is mid day when they do.
Plus 2 on tripod or sticks.
Do some scouting then do some more. If you could camp in your unit for a week or so it will really pay off. Granted conditions will change once the season is open but you can eliminate the unproductive areas and find the cover and escape routes.
Just go do it. The antelope will be where you find them - they may lay down but they are open country critters. Their defense is their eyes and speed, not burrowing into the brush like deer often do.
For best eating, get the antelope cooled down fast. We take 80 and 100 quart coolers and have found that a skinned antelope will fold into them. We then throw ice on them and button the cooler up. The antelope don't freeze but they do cool down fast.
If you have a pick-up, you can build a skinning rack for cheap - a 2x4 and some pipe. Here's the parts list. The two small boards help keep the pipe from moving around when in the stake holes and keep the pipes more vertical..
Version 1:
Version 2:. The stake holes are covered so I bolted some 1" square tube to existing holes in the truck bed.
This is a great idea. I believe I will attempt to make some of these.
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Jeff -
Just go do it. The antelope will be where you find them - they may lay down but they are open country critters. Their defense is their eyes and speed, not burrowing into the brush like deer often do.
For best eating, get the antelope cooled down fast. We take 80 and 100 quart coolers and have found that a skinned antelope will fold into them. We then throw ice on them and button the cooler up. The antelope don't freeze but they do cool down fast.
If you have a pick-up, you can build a skinning rack for cheap - a 2x4 and some pipe. Here's the parts list. The two small boards help keep the pipe from moving around when in the stake holes and keep the pipes more vertical..
Version 1:
Version 2:. The stake holes are covered so I bolted some 1" square tube to existing holes in the truck bed.
Like mentioned earlier, pay attention to water sources and routes to water sources during the heat of the day. In my AO you can find them just about any time of the day. Most people like to spot and stalk, but I like to find a hidey hole and wait for them. My shots generally are short. If the hidey hole is not in a draw, pay attention for other hunters who may not see you but will cut loose on a herd near you.
Antelope trophy quality can be really tough to judge for newcomers. The difference between a really mediocre buck and a trophy is just a few inches. So I recommend spending some time looking at pictures, and figuring out how to field judge horn size. Where the prong is in relation to the ear, how much curl (curl adds a lot of length, even though sometimes the tall bucks with little curl will look larger), stuff like that. Also see what size of bucks come out of your area and plan accordingly. If you’re in a region that produces a decent number of B&C bucks, shooting a 13” antelope the first day would be a real shame, especially with 15 years of point accumulation. But whatever, you’ll probably blow the cape all to hell with your ubermagnum anyway.
Block ice might be an okay alternative but dry ice and home built or high end coolers - wrapped in sleeping bags are better. Butch to finish cuts within the hour, then freeze on DI.
If you have a pick-up, you can build a skinning rack for cheap - a 2x4 and some pipe. Here's the parts list. The two small boards help keep the pipe from moving around when in the stake holes and keep the pipes more vertical..
Great idea, CH. For a solo hunter, a cheap pulley set would make things easy.
A skinning rack is a handy thing to have, especially if you are anticipating shooting several critters. If it's just one guy, and one animal, a pronghorn laid on the tailgate of a pickup can be skinned in a matter of a few minutes, no problem. Antelope are not that heavy, especially minus guts, hide, head, and lower legs.
Shoot it in the ass. It will tenderize the meat. Hang in tree for a couple of days at 90 F to develop that good flavor.
Yes! This will ensure that it will be easier for me to draw a tag next year when you and everyone you serve that meat to gags on it so bad you swear you will never shoot another...
In OR you'll probably have plenty of junipers around. They'll feed early, go to water about 9:00 am, then shade up most of the day in this heat. I know these critters well and what they do in our part of the country.
You might also find wallows. They love to wallow in hot weather.
Shoot it in the ass. It will tenderize the meat. Hang in tree for a couple of days at 90 F to develop that good flavor.
Yes! This will ensure that it will be easier for me to draw a tag next year when you and everyone you serve that meat to gags on it so bad you swear you will never shoot another...
Build a display rack over the bed of your pickup. That will ensure maximum sun exposure. You will find they are easily drug out by one person and even easier to skin and cool, but for some - all the world is a stage.
You will find they are easily drug out by one person and even easier to skin and cool
Yes, young bucks are lighter than deer, and I've packed them whole on a frame if someone can help me stand up. Trophy type bucks though can have some weight on them, as they're about 25% larger than the typical 2 or 3 year old.
If one plans on using the cape for a wall hanger, they are a pain in the ass to skin. I swear one can sneeze at a live animal, and it will drop half its hair. Try dragging one, and you'll get to the rig with a naked animal in just a hundred yards. Bringing a partner along, even if it's just a kid to hold legs etc, will greatly facilitate handling.
I don't deal with the ice blocks, even in warm weather...I don't like that nasty film that it creates. I just skin and quarter them where they fall and get the pieces bagged up and in the shade or if I am close to town, to a locker.
As far as judging, they can throw you for a loop, no doubt. I look for prongs at or above ear tip length when the ears are up. Another thing is that, to me at least, mature bucks have horns that look black, where younger males have horns with a greenish broom tint to them.
I don't deal with the ice blocks, even in warm weather...I don't like that nasty film that it creates. I just skin and quarter them where they fall and get the pieces bagged up and in the shade or if I am close to town, to a locker.
As far as judging, they can throw you for a loop, no doubt. I look for prongs at or above ear tip length when the ears are up. Another thing is that, to me at least, mature bucks have horns that look black, where younger males have horns with a greenish broom tint to them.
I really, really need to Google up some antelope pics.
Older antelope bucks eat ok? My wife is a fan of eating young animals. I can get geeky about horns I guess but it's not a real high priority to get some sort of "trophy" here. Just looking forward to getting to know the critters a little. And kill something with my new rifle build.
Ditch the heavy gun--go light. Sub 250 yd shot should be easy to come across.
I did the gutless method of field dressing on mine. Nice and quick and helped cool the meat down pronto. They are so small that even leaving the bones in you won't have much to pack out and get in a cooler when the time comes.
As others said, judging can be hard and with the long wait to get a tag one can get too 'trophy focused', imo. If you can find a big guy, good but don't let that be the defining criteria. Focus on a trophy hunt more than a trophy animal...
My heavy 7 WSM is an extremely capable rifle. Don't want to start a LR hunting debate here, but it's pretty special in that regard. And very well-vetted. Anyway, the plan is to primarily use the much lighter 6.5 SAUM.
Picked up a big new customer for my biz and I'm just trying to get myself un-buried so I can GTF out of here without a bunch of stress hanging over me.
Judging is tough, so don't let them fool you. Pronghorn are like young studs in a bar. They will inhale, swell their chests, and stand on their tippy toes to impress the women. In this instance it worked, but we won't go there. RB does not like porn on this site.
Every pronghorn is unique as they are the most colorful of American game. Large or small, every mount looks great on a well lighted wall.
If you're driving and they see you, keep moving until you're out of sight. Don't stop to look. If you do, quite likely they'll start moving. Park and sneak back. In antelope country, sneaking back can be a lot easier said than done.
They're easy to kill. Almost any big game bullet from .224 on up will level one nicely. Just take the most accurate gun you have.
RockChucks out of sight, out of mind is a good mention.
I've not really conducted any serious research, but it seems my barn sized white crew cab 350 and my white Toyota Land Cruiser are both pretty good at sending pronghorn over the horizon. More sedate colors and smaller rigs don't seem to instill as much fear. If any rig is stock still, however, they fail to notice it. Returned and slammed the tail gate on my buddies fire-engine red Ford, and two pronghorn stood up that were bedded in the tall sage about 40 yds behind me.
Another thought related to their poor eyesight in the earliest and latest of hours. One might be pushing the boundaries of legal shooting hours, but a wide open approach in the very last minutes of daylight can go unnoticed until one is well inside of rifle range. Might help too to have the brightest of the horizons at ones back. I was helping a newbie hunter once and we took that tangent on a wide open lake bed. At about 60 yds I was sitting him up with a rock or two and my pack frame after boldly traversing about 300 yds. Something else spooked the group, and we were nearly run over. At 10 yards, I'm not sure I could hit a pronghorn going wide open. They can really pick them up, put them down, and always show us just one more gear.
I've successfully used the same approach on deer. Not tried it with elk.
Downside is one might be working up an animal in the dark.
Judging is tough, so don't let them fool you. Pronghorn are like young studs in a bar. They will inhale, swell their chests, and stand on their tippy toes to impress the women. In this instance it worked, but we won't go there. RB does not like porn on this site.
Every pronghorn is unique as they are the most colorful of American game. Large or small, every mount looks great on a well lighted wall.
great pic
takes glassing a lot of animals to accurately determine size
because of sage brush bi pod for me was useless and used sticks or fence post
If you want to keep the hide with the hair on, don't drag it, not even a little. Antelope hair pulls out real easy and you'll have bare patches after just a few yards.
What if you parked that truck in the shade, Einstein? Assuming, of course, the truck has an engine and wheels.
Originally Posted by Alamosa
Build a display rack over the bed of your pickup. That will ensure maximum sun exposure. You will find they are easily drug out by one person and even easier to skin and cool, but for some - all the world is a stage.
What if you parked that truck in the shade, Einstein? Assuming, of course, the truck has an engine and wheels.
Even more stupid than your typical posts.
So you will drive around looking for shade in pronghorn terrain? Perhaps a tree that is tall enough to shade an animal that you have hung 10 or 12 feet above your vehicle? That's a tall tree! Remember that this will be the type of terrain that antelope like. You'll need something high to shade your 10 or 12 ft high display rack. Not impossible but rare in pronghorn terrain. Planning to drive around adding some dust to your solar heated meat while you look for this 25ft (probably higher) tree?
Meanwhile if you were really that desperate to hang it you could have just hung it on any small tree available
... or you could just skin it and cool it and forget making a big show of it.
I hope that you never stop posting on this site. Your absurd naivety is some of the best entertainment ever provided here. And all of this free advice about mountain states species from a place where rifle hunting big game is prohibited nearly everywhere. This is even better than when you claimed to be an elk outfitter because there was a captive elk farm in your neighborhood.
Never hunted them or even interacted with the beasts other than from afar... it takes ~ 15 years to accumulate enough points for a tag here, but I'm going this year!
It's going to be hot. THAT'S weird. Guessing a guy better have block ice in coolers ready to go at camp.
I'm bringing two rifles, my heavy long range 7 WSM and an unblooded 6.5 SAUM I built earlier this year. Both are loaded with ELD-M's. The heavy 7 has a big Nightforce (5.5-22) and the 6.5 SAUM has a 3-10 SHV. I'll also bring my little 8x Swaro SLC's and my "Big Eyes" Minox 13x's. I don't currently own a spotter.
My Leica rangefinder struggles past 750 or so in bright light.... but then so do I. In fact I hate shooting when it's hot. That will reel my range in some for sure.
Probably set up my wall tent to have a place to retreat to in the heat of the day- unless lopes are active then?
Basically any advice about hunting them will be appreciated. I know nothing.
Keep ice on hand in the cooler. We skin and quarter immediately and throw on ice in cooler. Do not drive around with merely gutted or even worse, ungutted antelope in the bed of your truck.
We don't shoot at stupid long range, so I think you're overgunned for the kind of goat hunting we do. Yes, I use my .264 on occasion, but have grown out of that and most of the time it's something smaller like a 260, 243 and the like.
We hunt all day long and often kill 10-15 in a weekend and almost all of those shots will be under 300. They can be really stupid in the early morning and we pass on difficult animals to stalk to find another herd that may be easier when doe hunting. When they are bedded, they are difficult to approach, but usually on the crest of a hill that, if the wind is right, you can get behind them for 20-50 yard shot. Stalking antelope is FUN! Worrying about wind drift on live animals isn't.
Find an area, even if a long way from hunting grounds, that is out of the wind for the wall tent. Where I've hunted them in Wyoming, Colorado and Montana, it can get very windy. Or just get a motel. This one of the few hunts that a motel can be worth it for me.
I'm assuming you've got a buck tag, so start looking at antelope to figure out where your standards are if this is a once in a lifetime thing. If you expect you'll keep hunting them, pop the first one that tickles your fancy.
I would suggest that even artificial shade would do. Perhaps next to a building even. Your intelligence shines so bright.....probably wouldn't work for you.
In some cases, shooting and tagging an animal may conclude the hunt.....allowing a quick exit of those horrendous sunny conditions you speak of.
Shoot an animal, skin and dress the animal in the truck bed, drop meat in the cooler........also located in the truck bed. Complicated, yes, but could be done.
Originally Posted by Alamosa
Build a display rack over the bed of your pickup. That will ensure maximum sun exposure. You will find they are easily drug out by one person and even easier to skin and cool, but for some - all the world is a stage.
Originally Posted by Alamosa
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
What if you parked that truck in the shade, Einstein? Assuming, of course, the truck has an engine and wheels.
Even more stupid than your typical posts.
So you will drive around looking for shade in pronghorn terrain? Perhaps a tree that is tall enough to shade an animal that you have hung 10 or 12 feet above your vehicle? That's a tall tree! Remember that this will be the type of terrain that antelope like. You'll need something high to shade your 10 or 12 ft high display rack. Not impossible but rare in pronghorn terrain. Planning to drive around adding some dust to your solar heated meat while you look for this 25ft (probably higher) tree?
Meanwhile if you were really that desperate to hang it you could have just hung it on any small tree available
... or you could just skin it and cool it and forget making a big show of it.
I hope that you never stop posting on this site. Your absurd naivety is some of the best entertainment ever provided here. And all of this free advice about mountain states species from a place where rifle hunting big game is prohibited nearly everywhere. This is even better than when you claimed to be an elk outfitter because there was a captive elk farm in your neighborhood.
I don't think shade is something to be counted on in this area. I've hunted deer there several times.
I hope it's as much pure "fun" as described. While trophy hunting isn't a big deal to me it's hard not to carry some expectations with a tag that takes 15 years to get.
I'd say my most glaring missing piece here is a spotting scope. I hope my 13x Minox will get the job done. I had considered a higher-power scope for the 6.5 SAUM, but after putting that 3-10 SHV on it, and shooting extensively out to 900 yards or so (I won't be HUNTING at those ranges mind you) I decided that I liked the fit and function of the SHV on the rifle. The rifle itself is extremely accurate. For DEER (I'm also doing a pack hunt at the crest of the Cascades this fall) it's perfect. For antelope I have no idea. I could see wishing I had more X's on the top end of the scope. I could see mirage wiping out those extra X's. Heck if I know. I'll just have to make do with what I've got. Really liking the 6.5 SAUM cartridge and I'd contest that it's "overgunned"..... but then some wanker would pull up old quotes of mine about the TSX overpenetrating..... grin....
The 'shade' was all Alamosa's emotional breakdown........
Originally Posted by Alamosa
Build a display rack over the bed of your pickup. That will ensure maximum sun exposure.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
I don't think shade is something to be counted on in this area. I've hunted deer there several times.
I hope it's as much pure "fun" as described. While trophy hunting isn't a big deal to me it's hard not to carry some expectations with a tag that takes 15 years to get.
I'd say my most glaring missing piece here is a spotting scope. I hope my 13x Minox will get the job done. I had considered a higher-power scope for the 6.5 SAUM, but after putting that 3-10 SHV on it, and shooting extensively out to 900 yards or so (I won't be HUNTING at those ranges mind you) I decided that I liked the fit and function of the SHV on the rifle. The rifle itself is extremely accurate. For DEER (I'm also doing a pack hunt at the crest of the Cascades this fall) it's perfect. For antelope I have no idea. I could see wishing I had more X's on the top end of the scope. I could see mirage wiping out those extra X's. Heck if I know. I'll just have to make do with what I've got. Really liking the 6.5 SAUM cartridge and I'd contest that it's "overgunned"..... but then some wanker would pull up old quotes of mine about the TSX overpenetrating..... grin....
As mentioned, the stalking part can be some of the most fun hunting you will ever do. Anticipating their movement, moving in the arroyos and depressions between the rises, using yucca and cholla for cover, can be a hoot. "Playing the real game' as I've heard it described, is something you will enjoy and remember. I have made a couple long shots on pronghorn but I think the ones I worked to get close to were the most rewarding.
My situation is similar to yours in the respect that I have waited longer than you have for my trophy antelope tag. Each season I think it is this year for sure and applicants with fewer points even manage to draw. I've killed a good number of pronghorn but always for meat. When I finally spend my 19 preference points (or however many it ends up being) I'll be hunting differently than I am accustomed to. One thing that really helped my confidence in estimating and judging them the past few years is just becoming a student of them. Search for photos of bucks, pull out your binos when you have the chance, visit your draw area and see what is there if you can. What I found was that by doing that it really helped me to more quickly pick out the ones I was interested in from the ones I wasn't.
A fella who occasionally posts here goes by Greenhorn. A couple years back he posted a photo of his wall with some pretty nice pronghorn euro mounts as I recall. If you search his posts or can get him to talk to you in a PM he would be someone with a serious background in trophy hunting. Might have some helpful advice.
This time next year you will be 'the man' when if comes to the 'how to'. Waiting to hear how it goes.
I don't know about THAT... grin... I'll settle for knowing a little more about 'em.
Funny.... I grew up quite literally in the arroyos (of New Mexico) at about 5000 feet elevation, and 90-degree heat... which describes the area they are likely to be on the mountain... we'd spend the whole day out there and cover miles and miles. We were obsessed with our rifles, which at that time fired .177 pellets as fast as you were willing to over-pump your Crosman... grin... but now I'm in my 50's and it's going to be a little different. I hope I can keep active all day in those conditions. We'll see. It'll be what it is. Side bonus: the trout fishing is superb there for big fat native redbands, so if the heat is killing me I can go stand in the river for a couple hours each day.
The 'shade' was all Alamosa's emotional breakdown........
Originally Posted by Alamosa
Build a display rack over the bed of your pickup. That will ensure maximum sun exposure.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
I don't think shade is something to be counted on in this area. I've hunted deer there several times.
I hope it's as much pure "fun" as described. While trophy hunting isn't a big deal to me it's hard not to carry some expectations with a tag that takes 15 years to get.
I'd say my most glaring missing piece here is a spotting scope. I hope my 13x Minox will get the job done. I had considered a higher-power scope for the 6.5 SAUM, but after putting that 3-10 SHV on it, and shooting extensively out to 900 yards or so (I won't be HUNTING at those ranges mind you) I decided that I liked the fit and function of the SHV on the rifle. The rifle itself is extremely accurate. For DEER (I'm also doing a pack hunt at the crest of the Cascades this fall) it's perfect. For antelope I have no idea. I could see wishing I had more X's on the top end of the scope. I could see mirage wiping out those extra X's. Heck if I know. I'll just have to make do with what I've got. Really liking the 6.5 SAUM cartridge and I'd contest that it's "overgunned"..... but then some wanker would pull up old quotes of mine about the TSX overpenetrating..... grin....
Nobody gives a f*** about a pi$$ing contest between you and myself. Do all of the cutting & pasting, removing quotes from context, or editing attempts, that you like. Anyone bored enough to care can read the context for themselves with just a mouse click.
On judging pronghorn. Think I put this up last year, but we're aware that Photobucket tossed us. Cookie would shoot me if I divulged this location, but it's beneficial if one can find a spot with a good number of animals for direct comparison purposes. An isolated buck gives us nothing to relate to. This is approximately half of the animals that were in this basin when the Oregon moose and goose boys flew over in a small plane doing their 2016 preseason census. Cookie just happened to be stationed in her popup at one end. She was a bit irate until she found out it was an official business flight. Probably 250+ animals in the frame and a ton of bucks. This is far from a publication quality image (about an 80% reduction from the original), as our systems don't pass full frame images around due to file size. Still, one may be able to expand it somewhat and then go across and see that there are 3 or 4 eye poppers in the bunch. Also an example that one often has to look at serious numbers before a big one surfaces. Note also, that the real shiners also have bodies about 20% larger than their companions.
Cookie thought she was in for a classic stampede situation, but the group banked to her right and climbed out of the basin. They were back within an hour, but she had already packed up to leave.
On my Microsoft system, if I hold the Ctrl key down and tap the + key, one zooms into the page. Hold the Ctrl key and tap the - key, and one will back out. No real gains in resolution, but the image size can be expanded or reduced. Needless to say, this is exactly where I went to exercise my tag about 3 weeks later. The frustration was one always had the feeling as each one passed that he could do a little bit better. Took me 7 days to squeeze the trigger.
Sure wish I had a tag again this year. Cookie should be due though in another 2 or 3 seasons, and we will be there.
4 or 5 years ago, we were taking the back roads between Boise and Twin Falls when we passed a field with a very large herd. It was in December or January and they were taking care of a farmer's excess alfalfa. There was no cover at all to sneak back. I kept going until we were out of sight, then I got in back with the van door slid back and a camera in hand. I had my wife drive back. As we came over the hill to the field, some idiot stopped his car, got out and walked over to the fence to look. When we got there, this was all that was left of 3 to 400 plus at least 50 deer. 30 seconds later, the field was empty.
I don't think shade is something to be counted on in this area. I've hunted deer there several times.
I hope it's as much pure "fun" as described. While trophy hunting isn't a big deal to me it's hard not to carry some expectations with a tag that takes 15 years to get.
I'd say my most glaring missing piece here is a spotting scope. I hope my 13x Minox will get the job done. I had considered a higher-power scope for the 6.5 SAUM, but after putting that 3-10 SHV on it, and shooting extensively out to 900 yards or so (I won't be HUNTING at those ranges mind you) I decided that I liked the fit and function of the SHV on the rifle. The rifle itself is extremely accurate. For DEER (I'm also doing a pack hunt at the crest of the Cascades this fall) it's perfect. For antelope I have no idea. I could see wishing I had more X's on the top end of the scope. I could see mirage wiping out those extra X's. Heck if I know. I'll just have to make do with what I've got. Really liking the 6.5 SAUM cartridge and I'd contest that it's "overgunned"..... but then some wanker would pull up old quotes of mine about the TSX overpenetrating..... grin....
jeff -
Last year I took my doe (we don't hunt the bucks) with a .243 a 3-9x Burris and a (gasp) .95g SST. Just use whatever rig you are comfortable with. With most of my rifles I just use my elk loads for antelope. The exception is the .257 Roberts where I use 100g TTSX or 110g AB. 3-9x has never been problem and all shots have been under 300.
One thing about buck antelope - they can be curious and sometimes dangerous. Some years back we had a big buck make a fuss about 50 yards away, stomping and snorting. Apparently we were infringing on his space. Last year I had a buck charge me from about 50 yards away. I was so focused on a doe (in a different direction), he nearly got me. I hear Daughter #1 calling my name, which irritated me and I ignored it. She was in the truck a few feet behind me and finally honked the horn. When I looked back over my left shoulder the buck was about a truck length away, head down with the nose almost touching the ground and headed straight for me full speed. As I spun around it took a sharp right and went on the other side of the truck. Had Daughter not honked things would have gotten real interesting.
Quit over thinking it. You have more than enough gun and more than enough glass. A spotter can be nice if you are very picky about the size of the buck you shoot. But, 13X will be more than sufficient for what you semi-state your goals are.
You will regret waiting 15yrs to hunt those things.
Since this is a special hunt, I'll advocate for a new rifle too. But something more memorable - say a .30-30 Winchester or a .300 Savage 99 with iron sights, or maybe a Hawken muzzleloader. Anybody can shoot an antelope with a 6.5 or whatever.
Since this is a special hunt, I'll advocate for a new rifle too. But something more memorable - say a .30-30 Winchester or a .300 Savage 99 with iron sights, or maybe a Hawken muzzleloader. Anybody can shoot an antelope with a 6.5 or whatever.
I built this rifle from a completely bare action (not even a bolt)... it's plenty special.
I was planning to wait until the season opener.....
You can't pull the last trigger until then but there is a lot you can do before that. Get out there. Put some gongs out at various ranges and shoot them. Scout the region. Make the most of it. Hire Cookie and her hubby to scout and photo it for you. Just do something.
One thing about buck antelope - they can be curious and sometimes dangerous. Some years back we had a big buck make a fuss about 50 yards away, stomping and snorting. Apparently we were infringing on his space. Last year I had a buck charge me from about 50 yards away. I was so focused on a doe (in a different direction), he nearly got me. I hear Daughter #1 calling my name, which irritated me and I ignored it. She was in the truck a few feet behind me and finally honked the horn. When I looked back over my left shoulder the buck was about a truck length away, head down with the nose almost touching the ground and headed straight for me full speed. As I spun around it took a sharp right and went on the other side of the truck. Had Daughter not honked things would have gotten real interesting.
Good luck on your hunt.
Oh for [bleep]'s sake.
Jeff, whatever you do, don't listen to this idiot. The "danger" from an antelope is right there with the danger of getting your wiener stuck in a ceiling fan.
Cookie had nothing to do with these. Got them with a Point N Shoot unit several years back. Which one would you shoot?
Tough comparisons when they are solitary. Both do look a little rough, as it was mid-June. They don't really clean up here until late June. Taken about 600 yds outside of Jeff 0's unit.
One thing about buck antelope - they can be curious and sometimes dangerous. Some years back we had a big buck make a fuss about 50 yards away, stomping and snorting. Apparently we were infringing on his space. Last year I had a buck charge me from about 50 yards away. I was so focused on a doe (in a different direction), he nearly got me. I hear Daughter #1 calling my name, which irritated me and I ignored it. She was in the truck a few feet behind me and finally honked the horn. When I looked back over my left shoulder the buck was about a truck length away, head down with the nose almost touching the ground and headed straight for me full speed. As I spun around it took a sharp right and went on the other side of the truck. Had Daughter not honked things would have gotten real interesting.
Good luck on your hunt.
Oh for [bleep]'s sake.
Jeff, whatever you do, don't listen to this idiot. The "danger" from an antelope is right there with the danger of getting your wiener stuck in a ceiling fan.
Forgot to mention (and maybe you're already planning this) but carry a small tarp or two with you in your pack. They don't weigh anything and make for a nice clean spot to quickly skin and quarter out the goat.
I'll second the motion of not overthinking or planning things. Be out at first light (rising sun makes them easier to spot) and be willing to hike. Nice thing about pronghorns is they're an easy pack out...
I hunt with just 10x binos and have never felt wanting. As an aside, last time I drew (we don't get preference points so it's poor odds every year) I took out the Tikka (.223) the week before opener to make sure I was ready for anything. Shot at ~ 600 yds and was well under MOA. Felt good and went out, spotted one, crawled a bit to a cliff face and popped one....at 156 yds!
One thing about buck antelope - they can be curious and sometimes dangerous. Some years back we had a big buck make a fuss about 50 yards away, stomping and snorting. Apparently we were infringing on his space. Last year I had a buck charge me from about 50 yards away. I was so focused on a doe (in a different direction), he nearly got me. I hear Daughter #1 calling my name, which irritated me and I ignored it. She was in the truck a few feet behind me and finally honked the horn. When I looked back over my left shoulder the buck was about a truck length away, head down with the nose almost touching the ground and headed straight for me full speed. As I spun around it took a sharp right and went on the other side of the truck. Had Daughter not honked things would have gotten real interesting.
Good luck on your hunt.
Oh for [bleep]'s sake.
Jeff, whatever you do, don't listen to this idiot. The "danger" from an antelope is right there with the danger of getting your wiener stuck in a ceiling fan.
If anyone here is an idiot it is you. The only reason I didn't get run over by that buck, horns first, is because my daughter honked the truck horn.
If you're willing to put yourself in my place and take the horns in the back at full speed, we'll see if they can be dangerous or not. And if you emerge unscathed, I'll concede your point.
I have been following this thread with great interest. I also drew my first Oregon antelope tag this year, I drew the Juniper unit. Scouted the last five days, then came home to regroup and go back next Wednesday. It hot out there, we had 103 on Monday and 100 on Tuesday. Take your own shade for camp. I don't know how far the nearest ice is where you hunt. It's 64 miles rocky slow road for me. Six hours to travel 64 miles! I'll be taking dry ice. One chest with thirty pounds. Then five pounds in each other chest! The thirty is to replenish the food chests and for the antelope! The dry ice plant has offered me the use of one of their large coolers, I may take them up on the offer! Good luck with your hunt!!
I have been following this thread with great interest. I also drew my first Oregon antelope tag this year, I drew the Juniper unit. Scouted the last five days, then came home to regroup and go back next Wednesday. It hot out there, we had 103 on Monday and 100 on Tuesday. Take your own shade for camp. I don't know how far the nearest ice is where you hunt. It's 64 miles rocky slow road for me. Six hours to travel 64 miles! I'll be taking dry ice. One chest with thirty pounds. Then five pounds in each other chest! The thirty is to replenish the food chests and for the antelope! The dry ice plant has offered me the use of one of their large coolers, I may take them up on the offer! Good luck with your hunt!!
We tried dry ice one year and didn't care for it. Yes, the antelope froze in places, but that isn't really necessary. We keep ours on regular ice (mostly cubes, not block, as it fits in the coolers better) for up to 3 days before they get to the processor in Denver. No different than hanging in a meat locker.
One thing about buck antelope - they can be curious and sometimes dangerous. Some years back we had a big buck make a fuss about 50 yards away, stomping and snorting. Apparently we were infringing on his space. Last year I had a buck charge me from about 50 yards away. I was so focused on a doe (in a different direction), he nearly got me. I hear Daughter #1 calling my name, which irritated me and I ignored it. She was in the truck a few feet behind me and finally honked the horn. When I looked back over my left shoulder the buck was about a truck length away, head down with the nose almost touching the ground and headed straight for me full speed. As I spun around it took a sharp right and went on the other side of the truck. Had Daughter not honked things would have gotten real interesting.
Good luck on your hunt.
Oh for [bleep]'s sake.
Jeff, whatever you do, don't listen to this idiot. The "danger" from an antelope is right there with the danger of getting your wiener stuck in a ceiling fan.
Only in Coyote Hunters world are antelope considered dangerous game.
My guess would be he looks goofy and they just want to see him up close.
I have been following this thread with great interest. I also drew my first Oregon antelope tag this year, I drew the Juniper unit. Scouted the last five days, then came home to regroup and go back next Wednesday. It hot out there, we had 103 on Monday and 100 on Tuesday. Take your own shade for camp. I don't know how far the nearest ice is where you hunt. It's 64 miles rocky slow road for me. Six hours to travel 64 miles! I'll be taking dry ice. One chest with thirty pounds. Then five pounds in each other chest! The thirty is to replenish the food chests and for the antelope! The dry ice plant has offered me the use of one of their large coolers, I may take them up on the offer! Good luck with your hunt!!
Good luck to you! Sounds like you are making your own luck.
Just due to some sort of statistical blip I have rifle hunted Steens for deer 3 times in the last 5 years, plus I've been there a bunch of other times starting in the late 80's, so I'm not stressing that I haven't scouted it. In fact I'm not stressing at all. In fact you guys need to stop telling me not to overthink this; I'm in danger of underthinking the dang thing <grin>. I figure, I'll get there, set up camp... figure it out. No hurry really, other than, I guess, that my block ice is all melting away in my coolers every day and will need resupply if I'm still hunting, every few days. Cross that bridge if/when I get to it I'll do a little shooting when I get there. I know just the spot, I checked things at 400 yards last fall there, perfect setup, can shoot from the bed of my truck at light spots on dark boulders with a hill behind them. Curious about the mirage, and my ammo at that altitude/temp. Then I guess we'll see what happens. Just trying like heck to throw the hook of my business entanglements so I can truly go for it- that's the work of the moment, haha... grinding hard on some very engaging work.... as I say, I'm in danger of woefully UNDERthinking this bad boy! 'Cause it's right around the corner.
Some years ago I took the time to extend the frame of my wall tent to have a covered awning area. At the time, the thinking was another covered kitchen area for our elk camp, where we got hammered by snow pretty good for a few years straight there. But now iit's sounding nice and shady! Maybe I'll retire up there!
One thing about buck antelope - they can be curious and sometimes dangerous. Some years back we had a big buck make a fuss about 50 yards away, stomping and snorting. Apparently we were infringing on his space. Last year I had a buck charge me from about 50 yards away. I was so focused on a doe (in a different direction), he nearly got me. I hear Daughter #1 calling my name, which irritated me and I ignored it. She was in the truck a few feet behind me and finally honked the horn. When I looked back over my left shoulder the buck was about a truck length away, head down with the nose almost touching the ground and headed straight for me full speed. As I spun around it took a sharp right and went on the other side of the truck. Had Daughter not honked things would have gotten real interesting.
Good luck on your hunt.
Oh for [bleep]'s sake.
Jeff, whatever you do, don't listen to this idiot. The "danger" from an antelope is right there with the danger of getting your wiener stuck in a ceiling fan.
Only in Coyote Hunters world are antelope considered dangerous game.
My guess would be he looks goofy and they just want to see him up close.
Mountain goats are not normally considered 'dangerous' either. Yet the National Park Service is considering relocating or killing about 625 goats in Olympic National Park because they are becoming 'aggressive'. In 2010 one of the mountain goats "gored and killed a 63-year-old man, then stood over his body and stared other hikers down, according to a witness."
One more thought to you lucky dudes with E. Or pronghorn tags. With a few exceptions, most will be bouncing around in extremely remote areas on 5-mph roads. Really, most in the US would not call them roads at all. When selecting campsites or parking spots, do give some thought to escaping potential fires. I.e. routes out, nearest barren lake beds or rocky areas, islands of green, or what have you. Should one get trapped, find a good high density fuel spot, do your own burnout ahead of the fire, and then pull into the ash.
With our exceptional winter snow pack, the desert is supporting about 3 times it's normal level of dry fine fuels. You, and a fair number of other folks will be on roads and ways supporting a lot of cured herbage. Cookie and I spent the AM out touring the now extinguished Cinder Butte fire. At times it ran fast. Burned sites I would have normally thought not possible, and in some spots could have pinched one in with no escape.
Should not be a driving concern, but if one sees smoke or lightening about, do keep an eye out in that direction. No real end to the 90+ degree temps we've been having. Campfires and/or a smoke are for sure no no's unless one stays in a tended and well manicured campground.
Going to be out of Dodge for a few days, so be safe, and good luck.
Yeah.....you weren’t in danger. I’ve had pronghorn do the same sort of thing when decoying them, and have yet to be gored to death or have anywhere near a “dangerous” experience. The bowhunter along for the shot often gets flustered and blows the shot, and one went back to camp and told his buddies how he was “almost attacked”. Maybe you and this guy were related. The closest anyone I know has ever been to having a “dangerous” pronghorn around was an orphaned buck which was raised from a fawn, which would get a little sporty and head butt people during the rut.
We won’t even get into your otherworldly reaction time, having time to spin around and face a 55 mph charging beast the length of a truck away from goring you into pudding.
Yeah.....you weren’t in danger. I’ve had pronghorn do the same sort of thing when decoying them, and have yet to be gored to death or have anywhere near a “dangerous” experience. The bowhunter along for the shot often gets flustered and blows the shot, and one went back to camp and told his buddies how he was “almost attacked”. Maybe you and this guy were related. The closest anyone I know has ever been to having a “dangerous” pronghorn around was an orphaned buck which was raised from a fawn, which would get a little sporty and head butt people during the rut.
We won’t even get into your otherworldly reaction time, having time to spin around and face a 55 mph charging beast the length of a truck away from goring you into pudding.
Funny how your armchair analysis of the situation varies so much from those of the three adults that were ***actually there***.
Your description of the events is way off. First, the antelope was was coming fast but I doubt their full speed is anywhere near your assumed 55mph when running with their nose almost touching the ground. Nevertheless, the adults in the truck described it as a "full speed" charge. When the buck turned in reaction to the horn he just missed the front of the truck - which put him about 10 feet from me at the closest point of approach, if that. The right front corner of the truck was about 5 feet behind me and I had a barb wire fence in front. I was kneeling down using a steel fence post as a rest. The buck was running close along the fence line before it turned. Second, your imagined sequence of events doesn't match what I described. Daughter #1 honked the horn. THEN I turned my head and saw the buck about a truck length away. The buck turned away as I started to turn around, not because I had completed my turn, as your description implies. The events were simultaneous, as I described, not sequential as you described. I was still turning as the buck disappeared on the other side of the truck. Third, the buck showed no sign of slowing. This was not a case of an antelope buck stomping and snorting and making short charges from a relatively safe distance away.
But hey, you're the expert because you ***weren't there***.
That's how woefully I'm underthinking this <g>. Haven't even really looked at pics of bucks or started getting gear together.... I gotta set up the frame of my wall tent and test my awning area out; I remember that there was something weird about it... like I cut the tubing for a true 10' tarp, which I had a nice heavy but old silver one on hand, only to discover that now they are undersized. Or something. Also wouldn't suck to get in a LR shooting session in the 90 degree heat since that's how it'll be up there.
I'll be un-buried from the work that's been consuming me later today. Then I'm going to turn my attention to this hunt. "Let the overthinking begin"!
Heym06: Hope that Cinder Butte fire stays out of your unit. Yes, this past weekend was an absolutely brutal time to be out. Best of luck,
The fire is a long way from where I'm hunting, 50 + miles. We are careful old farts and keep our eyes on everything! Someone mentioned dry ice in confined areas! I keep that in the pickup bed! I've used dry ice before, its the only thing that will last 12 days, other than bringing a gen set and freezer! That's what we do fishing, but it's to large to fit with the other equipment!
Cookie and I did a Cinder Butte tour yesterday. Looks to be 95% extinguished. Little to not threat of it jumping the highway. At times we can get some serious fires out here. Had a 800 square mile one about 5 years back.
We have a new fire north of here that got going yesterday, called the Mammoth Fire after the nearby Mammoth Cave. As of last night it was up to 23 sq miles with the potential to be a really big one. It's not on Inciweb yet for some reason. Last I head, they don't know how it started since there was no lightning anywhere around. It's where we'd be hunting antelope if we'd drawn, which we didn't.
update: they just reported that it's nearly 100 sq miles now and crazy winds are expected.
Remember your once-in-15 years Steens mule deer hunt and how you took care of the meat and the animal? Do the complete opposite.
Incorrect as to those tag odds, and also predictably incorrect as to the meat, which was fine BECAUSE I [bleep] TOOK CARE OF IT PROPERLY!
Sheesh. Some people's kids.
Lol. My numbers might not be exact, but you waited approx half of your lifetime, had a huge buildup to the hunt, forgot your camera, shot a dink, and left it sitting in the heat.
I did not leave it sitting it the heat. To the contrary.
I'm remembering why I have you on ignore. Later gator.
Jeff -
Don't let them get to you. I've forgotten a camera more times than I can count. Would probably still be doing so if my cell phone didn't have one built-in. I've also taken the wrong ammo for one of my rifles (thankfully I took two), have arrived at the range sans ammo (too many helping hands loading up the vehicle) and made all kinds of other bonehead mistakes. So has everyone here, but many aren't man (or woman) enough to admit it.
Got to range a couple times and no ammo. Twenty miles out to ground squirrel fields and no rifle. Own several Weatherby's, got to elk camp and had the 257 bolt in the 30-378. Spare rifle on hand so still good to go. Left life jackets at home for a 7-day family whitewater trip. Discovered as the shuttle driver pulled away. Had to hitchhike to town where I could only rent what I needed. Left Coleman fuel at home on a camping trip. Took steelhead fly boxes on a trout trip. Wrong reel and line on a trout trip. Wrong tent on a spring bear hunt. Left entire clothes bag at home on another trip - bought new duds on the way. Drove out of camp and left a bucket with about $150 worth of lines and ropes that I'd placed beneath the truck to shelter from the rain and snow. Did not realize that was so expensive until I went to replace them all in a single purchase.
Have driven off and left waders or knives on site. Luckily, I recovered those. Same with some wood cutting gear like peavey, axes, and shovels.
Did not hook to the boat once, but realized that about a mile from the house.
None of this would happen if I didn't have so much sh-t or if I simply made up check lists.
Thank God I seem to get all of Cookie's stuff loaded.
I have 3 Excel spreadsheets for outdoor trips. One is for camping, one is for hunting from the camper, and one is for llama packing. They list everything that I could possibly want on a trip, followed by 2 check boxes. I print out the appropriate one, check each item that I want for the trip, and start loading, checking off each item as its loaded. It's greatly reduced my incidences of getting to camp without ammo or toilet paper.
I just about always start with firearms, ammo, licenses, tags, and knives. Everything else is considered gravy.
Not my screw up, but one of our party of 6 left the silverware at home for a 7-day white water fishing trip. At every meal, the comment was "this sure looks good, I wish I could eat it." That one will follow him to his grave.
Another was a 12-day hunting trip, and we neglected to include our menu. Ate good on the front end and poorly on the back.
I just about always start with firearms, ammo, licenses, tags, and knives. Everything else is considered gravy.
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That's how I start, too. Then things like tire chains, tow chains, tools, cash and other things that could keep you on the road or help get you back on it. (A friend had a $1,000 tow charge off a pass I had emphatically told him NOT to take.)
Cameras and other non-necessities were always way down the list, and way below clean underwear.
Some desert roads can get really nasty with a lot less rain than you might think possible. They aren't really roads with a solid bed. They're just places where vehicles have beaten out the plant life.
We have the same thing.....minus the llama list. Helped a ton.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
I have 3 Excel spreadsheets for outdoor trips. One is for camping, one is for hunting from the camper, and one is for llama packing. They list everything that I could possibly want on a trip, followed by 2 check boxes. I print out the appropriate one, check each item that I want for the trip, and start loading, checking off each item as its loaded. It's greatly reduced my incidences of getting to camp without ammo or toilet paper.
Wyoming260, Steens mountain in Oregon. My buddy has hunted them twice there; one of those times they were up high (9k or so) on the mountain. That'd be ok with me! But they are often down lower in the sage and juniper, I'm told.
that is some beautiful country down there. good luck!
If hunting off of roads where vehicle access not too far I have used this to get animal skinned, deboned and on ice quick.
My buddy and I on a WY meat hunt got it down to 25 min per animal from shot to meat in the iced cooler.
Well, Lord only knows what's rattling around inside that old Martin...... I bought her in the mid 80's. Probably best not to cross international borders with it.
On the road. Weird energy. Whatever the opposite of "mad at 'em " is, is where I'm at. I did look at some pix last night so now I can tell the boys from the girls.
Saying goodbye to my dog- who really really wanted to go camping- gave me these powerful flashbacks of my Lab Lucy we put down a couple years ago. A salute to her bravery, dignity, and love of the hunt. To Lucy!
Always wanted to chase chukar with Lucy at Steens, but in her prime I had two jobs and two young kids... not much free time. So it was grouse, quail, and pheasant. By the time my life was opening back up she was pretty broken down. And chukars are not an old dog's game.
Today was day 2... I'm making progress here. Got into 2 small herds today. One had no buck at all, the other had a buck even I was hesitating on <grin> but as I was trying to get closer, they saved me the decision by vanishing.
I can say that the reports of their great vision are not exaggerated. WOW!
Gassing up in French Glen just now, was talking to a hunter. He said he's hunted them many times in Wyoming, but this was the first time in Oregon, and he said with a bemused chuckle, "this is completely different!" He hadn't seen anything. Can't confirm or deny that, Just passing it along.
Having a great time getting to know these critters, especially now that I'm figuring out where they are! Yesterday, opening day, I saw 8 doe deer, 3 buck deer, 3 coyotes, and at least 10 sage grouse, a few at heart-attack flush distances. They've got their own little evasive pattern when they fly, eh? Different than the ruffs and blues I've flushed/killed. On one of the sage grouse flushes, a triple, a hawk came in right over me and tried to grab it midair. That was cool to see. But anyway, saw no 'lopes on opener.
Well enough of this I got to get gear ready for tomorrow etc. It's cooled down and tomorrow is a big day. I know where they are, nobody else seems to be hunting that area other than desultory road-hunting...
Just returned home! Three of use tagged out yesterday! 60 miles from French Glen! We had a down pour Thursday night, then nice weather up till we left this morning! My first pronghorn hunt, it was great! There was another camp about five miles from our camp. That camp had one tag filled and two to go this morning! I will try and get some pictures up tomorrow! Jeff O, find the cattle then sit and glass, ours followed the cattle around the desert! Cattle equal water!
Got one yesterday, I'm told he's a decent buck, but he's sure not huge, so let's just get THAT out of the way <grin>... Some camp-neighbor's insisted I put the meat in their chest freezer last night, so with it nearly frozen by this morning (meaning no ice crises), i decided to stay another day and just fished and hung out and played guitar today. The fishing here is spectacular. Small rivers, big native redbands, artificial only, catch and release. Biggest I got was about 16". I cut my teeth in small rivers in NM and CO so I love it. Started with ol' faithful, black bodied Panther Martin, yellow dots, brass blade, 4 lb test. Never had cause to switch.
Great groups of guys have been camped in this area. Just was given a bunch of salmon and traded weed samples with some guys. Hey, that's how we roll here in Oregon, don't like it, don't read it. Lots of good antelope intel and advice and beer has flowed in the last week between camps.
The guys who gave me the salmon are hunting the next unit over. It would've taken a few MORE years to save up for (this tag took 14 years). They are seeing lots of bucks and are holding out for Mr. Big. I guess I'll try that unit next..... when I'm 68.
I got a few pics of my buck. It was mid-afternoon and hot as hell and photos were not my first priority. But I got a few and as soon as I feel like dealing with imgur I'll post 'em. Had Photobucket down pat but that ship has sailed. Imgur is kind of a pain and cell is slow here.
The actual shooting of the [bleep] was a bit of a rodeo. All I can do is laugh. I'll post details here in a bit with the pics. In the end I killed him cleanly with one hit but there was some funny chit between deciding to shoot and that. Had an equipment fail that almost screwed the whole thing up- which is just funny since I was carrying a rifle that had born the full brunt of my OCD.
Let me finish this IPA and maybe taste the neighbor's sample and I'll put up a couple pics and tell my tale.
I will make a prediction. Jeffo will get a buck but it will be after many, many days of hunting and it will be a dink. But he will brag of making a uber long shot under tough conditions.
oops looks like Jeffo posted while I was typing. I am more right than wrong LMAO
As he lay. You can see where I hit him in the ribs. Quick clue as to my little rodeo- see anything missing from my rifle?
Wood and bluing. You really have to take better pictures - or maybe you did but not for public consumption, but really, I hope you have a better photo than that.
Congrats Jeff thats a nice first or last antelope buck - they are all beautiful IMHO! Glad you had a good hunt and got to break in the new rifle. Now that you have one antelope down you can start going to Wyoming to chase then every year
Love that skinning rack...great idea! I have only bagged 2 pronghorns in all my hunting career. One in Wyoming and one in N. Arizona. My only advice is have a darn good spotting scope, a good pair of 10x binoculars, and bring a lot of patience and your flattest shooting rifle. My favorite load has always been my .270 Win with 130gr. Nosler Accubonds. Good luck and hope you get the speed buck! A beautiful and awesome trophy!
I was thinking he was pretty dinky, but at camp other hunters kept saying he was a pretty good buck. Who knew?!
Sammo, my plan for mounting it is as follows: hang the head from a tree way out in my woods and let Sasquatch and bugs clean it up this winter. What could go wrong <grin>?
Tom, the heat had me thinking of your problems with heat in deer season down there! It's kind of a big deal. I've got the meat on ice in coolers and I'm just going to have to age it a bit that way. Uh.... does antelope meat benefit from a little aging like deer venison does?
Irfubar, it was 90+ degrees, bright as GOD, and my iPhone camera couldn't handle it. The pics look sepia almost. Wasn't any point in trying to stage some hero shot and I was more than a little concerned about the heat. The pic that matters to me is the "as he lay" pic; that's what I saw walking up, that's my memory of it. So there.
Mojo, yes sir it is a very fine IPA. I'm a big fan of great IPA's in cans. Very consistent carbonation, and always fresh.
The backstory: I built that rifle from a bare action, well north of $2k in parts... plus the NF scope, I'm carrying over $3k in outlay... only relevant due to what I describe below... and many months of major obsessing. Tom and Jordan were privy to some of that; I think they were pretty sick of hearing about it <g>. Add in a ton of practice at long range for years now and I'm really feeling saucy about my rifle and skillz.
So I'm sort of trundling along out in the sage, tail end of my 2nd big hike-and-glass expedition of the day, hot as Hades, and this guy appears in front of me. He must have been bedded and stood up to see what strange beast was slouching through his desert. About 150 yards away. Horns are backlit, holy [bleep] here's my buck. I toss my rifle up. Chip shot. Gaaa! I can't see anything through my scope. The hell? I realize the front BC flip up is broken; it's just hanging there, no spring to pop it up. I wrap my thumb up over the barrel to hold it open. The adrenaline is hitting and I'm completely flustered now and in an awkward position with my damn front hand. He starts to turn to run; I miss, badly. He runs. The next two shots are a comedy of me trying to cycle rounds, hold the [bleep] cap open, and shoot a running antelope. Side note: they are FAST <g>. I miss. Twice. One round left. He STOPS, broadside, at maybe 225, 250 now. This is my last chance. I'm still in this ridiculous front hand position. Failure looms as a distinct probability. I muster up the presence of mind to take a deep breath and let the rifle settle. Boom! He takes off again but I can tell I killed him by how he's running, and sure enough he piles up in a cloud of dust and a flash of white belly fur out in the sage.
Turns out the little pin had backed out of the hinge enough to let the little coil spring that flips the cap pop out and get bent. Tried to get the tiny little thing bent properly back but it's toast. I'm sure BiMart will give me a new one. But the lessons of the day were a) to add that to the list of things I check on at least every now and then, and b) that a $12 plastic accessory can screw up your whole day no matter how well you think you've prepared. And also, that I kind of go all to pieces in that situation; I need to do some military/aviation type "failure drills".
Thinking lll take my soldering iron and sort of "stake" the pins in my Butler Creeks via a dab of melted plastic.
So that's my story! Funny chit. But man did I have a good time up there. The comraderie and intel-sharing between camps was really something. Just great folks. And Steens is one of the most purely sublime places I know of. Word to the wise.
Data point: it's a 6.5 SAUM, so a couple hundred fps faster than a Creed... I used the 140 ELD-M. It hit a rib going in, did sort of "normal" damage to the lungs, then hit a rib going out and left a quarter-size exit wound. Pretty much perfect I'd say. I'm going to use the bullet for deer here in a few weeks so we'll see how that goes but it definitely did not fly to flinders (damn I miss BobinNH!) and it killed the heck out of the antelope. Phenomenally accurate bullet as well, of course.
You chasing Pronghorn again next year (in a spot that doesn't require points)?
Shame on irfubar.
Originally Posted by irfubar
I will make a prediction. Jeffo will get a buck but it will be after many, many days of hunting and it will be a dink. But he will brag of making a uber long shot under tough conditions.
oops looks like Jeffo posted while I was typing. I am more right than wrong LMAO
Not a bad idea to spend a bunch of money on a new gun. Then ask for advice and go on a safari with some good guys, drink some beer and shoot an antelope. There is a lot a guy can do and still shoot a small buck and enjoy the trip. If everyone shot animals like Scenarshooter, there would be nothing left in the gene pool.
I assume antelope need hanging just like deer. I haven't shot one yet, I'm still gathering preference points for what amounts to a once in a lifetime Oregon hunt. I've never seen meat that wasn't improved by hang time. Hanging allows enzymes in the meat to break down the connective tissue within muscles a little bit which is why properly aged meat is more tender. It does similar things to change flavor ... noticeable to some people, not to others. A lot of the perceived need for marinades, etc for all game meat is to compensate for inadequate hanging / aging. It is only partially successful. However, no matter how "right" it is, some people just don't like game meat. Feed 'em store beef and save the good stuff for people who appreciate it.
I have no eye for judging pronghorn. The important part is that you're happy. Pretty cool journey from planning through collecting rifle parts, building the gun, teaching it to shoot, building comfort and confidence, and then having the plan come together. If I'd done the same I'd be grinning ear to ear. I think ya done good. Congratulations!
Jeff, Killed one last year in a unit next to yours. Killed it, got the hide off fast and on ice within maybe a hour. Butchered it within 48 hours. Amongst the best tasting wild game I've taken. I'm normally one that lets the game age longer, but absolutely no regrets on this one.
I assume antelope need hanging just like deer. I haven't shot one yet, I'm still gathering preference points for what amounts to a once in a lifetime Oregon hunt. I've never seen meat that wasn't improved by hang time. Hanging allows enzymes in the meat to break down the connective tissue within muscles a little bit which is why properly aged meat is more tender. It does similar things to change flavor ... noticeable to some people, not to others. A lot of the perceived need for marinades, etc for all game meat is to compensate for inadequate hanging / aging. It is only partially successful. However, no matter how "right" it is, some people just don't like game meat. Feed 'em store beef and save the good stuff for people who appreciate it.
I have no eye for judging pronghorn. The important part is that you're happy. Pretty cool journey from planning through collecting rifle parts, building the gun, teaching it to shoot, building comfort and confidence, and then having the plan come together. If I'd done the same I'd be grinning ear to ear. I think ya done good. Congratulations!
Tom
Thanks man! Couldn't have got to this point without ya!
I know you are holding out for Hart Mtn, but consider Juniper... I got to know a couple guys a few camps over pretty well, they'd researched it extensively and decided Juniper was better bang for the points than Hart. Juniper is the next unit to the west of Steens and kind of envelopes Hart if I was reading their maps right. But they weren't hunting way over there- they were on the huge plateau above Frenchglen and seeing, they said, 10-30 antelope bucks a DAY. They had a jeep (2000 TJ with 32's) and were having a ball on the rough jeep 2-tracks up there. They said my Tundra would've done most of what they were doing, though. They did break a tire up there (6-ply BFG AT) and had to drive all the way to Bend to get set up again... the rocks around there are hell on tires, we broke one on our Land Cruiser 10 years ago on the east side of Steens with the family. Anyway- just a thought; it takes several fewer points to get Juniper than Hart, we ain't getting ANY younger as far as I can tell, and they were seeing TONS of animals. As opposed to Steens. Steens was a tough hunt this year- at least guys who had experience there with antelopes were saying there were way fewer animals; speculation was a bad winter, dunno.
I'm going to recommend to Jerry & Paul (elk hunting buddies) that they hold out a couple more years for Juniper. Jerry has killed two antelope on Steens (he's older' n dirt) so it'll be a tough sell.
FWIW, I like to hang meat around 40 degrees .. say 38 to 42. It is a challenge here because even through end of October we can be bumping into the 80, maybe near 90. That is what lead me to putting in for the late muzzleloader tag .. that extra 2-4 weeks later in the year makes a big difference regarding temperature. If I owned rather than rented I'd absolutely look into walk in cold storage, even if it's comparatively small.
Oh, absolutely, if I decided I to punt on waiting for Hart Mountain, Juniper is very high on the list. I think I have points enough for any hunt other than Hart Mountain rifle. Right now I don't have the right rifle to bet 21 years worth of point accumulation on.
FWIW, I like to hang meat around 40 degrees .. say 38 to 42. It is a challenge here because even through end of October we can be bumping into the 80, maybe near 90. That is what lead me to putting in for the late muzzleloader tag .. that extra 2-4 weeks later in the year makes a big difference regarding temperature. If I owned rather than rented I'd absolutely look into walk in cold storage, even if it's comparatively small.
Oh, absolutely, if I decided I to punt on waiting for Hart Mountain, Juniper is very high on the list. I think I have points enough for any hunt other than Hart Mountain rifle. Right now I don't have the right rifle to bet 21 years worth of point accumulation on.
6.5 SAUM, maaaan!
Available headstamped brass from GAP, it matches 6.5-.284 ballistics but at 2x-3x of the barrel life OR, if a guy so chose, will spank 6.5-.284 decisively.... your guy can borrow my reamer a gauges....
I was thinking he was pretty dinky, but at camp other hunters kept saying he was a pretty good buck. Who knew?!
Sammo, my plan for mounting it is as follows: hang the head from a tree way out in my woods and let Sasquatch and bugs clean it up this winter. What could go wrong <grin>?
Just about everything. A better way (among many) is to simply put the head in a trash bag for a few days to let the horns loosen. Cut around the base to help them separate from the hide if necessary but they should slide off after a few days.
In the meantime, skin and deflesh the head as much as possible. Remove eyes, ears, tongue, and every scrape of meat that you can. Then put it in a bucket of water, put a lid on it, and forget about it for 1-4 months. Removed and power wash at the local carwash. You can resoak with some detergent to remove any oils from the bone but usually not necessary. Just dry and slide the horns back on - you may need some paper towels to help the bone spurs grip the horns properly.
That's the best way I can think of to get maximum shrinkage .
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Thanks much guys.
I was thinking he was pretty dinky, but at camp other hunters kept saying he was a pretty good buck. Who knew?!
Sammo, my plan for mounting it is as follows: hang the head from a tree way out in my woods and let Sasquatch and bugs clean it up this winter. What could go wrong <grin>?
Just about everything. A better way (among many) is to simply put the head in a trash bag for a few days to let the horns loosen. Cut around the base to help them separate from the hide if necessary but they should slide off after a few days.
In the meantime, skin and deflesh the head as much as possible. Remove eyes, ears, tongue, and every scrape of meat that you can. Then put it in a bucket of water, put a lid on it, and forget about it for 1-4 months. Removed and power wash at the local carwash. You can resoak with some detergent to remove any oils from the bone but usually not necessary. Just dry and slide the horns back on - you may need some paper towels to help the bone spurs grip the horns properly.
So the "horns" (I know they are basically hair, not bone like a deer) will come off if I just hang it to let the meat rot off? Or might come off? That'd suck.
So the "horns" (I know they are basically hair, not bone like a deer) will come off if I just hang it to let the meat rot off? Or might come off? That'd suck.
Yes, they are horns - not antlers. They will slide off. But they the animal as to ferment a little to let it happen. Put it in a plastic bag and this will happen easier and quicker with no other problems. You may find a pile of maggots after a few days if you don't skin and trim that head asap. The maggots don't really matter, but the process will become "icky". It just doesn't have to be that way.
The bucket method is called anaerobic maceration. Next to a big, established beetle colony, it's the best way to do it.
If you do not take the horns off the base, they will rot. There is cartilage between the bone and the horn - a large spongy pad of tissue. They have to come off to be cleaned up. Any horned animal will have the horns removed in this way.
When you put the horns back, something has to fill up the space between the horn and smaller bone core that is now missing it's cartilaginous pad. Paper towels happen to work.
Have you ever dealt with a horned animal? I guess not.
Boil the skull with horns under water just passed the prongs for 15-20 min, cut around the cartilage with a knife, pop off the horns. Clean up the inside and finish your skull prep, preferably within a day, you should make a mark on the bone where the horn should rest before popping them off, you don't want to just mash them all the way to the skull plate.
Use plaster Paris to reattach.
Or you could let it rot for a few months, I'm just guessing have never dealt with one.
You traded weed samples at your antelope camp and that's how you do it in Oregon?
I love your threads....
I can neither officially confirm nor deny that there was a very surprising amount of that sort of thing happening... 40-65 year old guys, big hunting rigs, ATV's, every overt sign of redneckitude... yet.... we seem to have entered a very enlightened new era in that regard. At least in Oregon.
I'm ok with that.
Read this this morning:
"The researchers found that those who took marijuana on a regular basis had greater global oxygen extraction fraction (OEF) and cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen (CMRO2) as compared to the non-users. The study also showed that the cerebral blood flow (CBF) in the putamen — a round structure located at the base of the forebrain that is linked to learning — was much more in marijuana users than non-users."
Mr. Beans, now you've got me worried that my uber-casual method might not work.
Damn your hide <grin>.
I mean........... as long as the horn I hung it from didn't come loose and let it fall........... you think the horns would come loose just hanging from a tree?
Your way will result in horn degradation. For sure.
You do know that antelope horns are shed every year, right? Ever seen one after 6 months in the weather? Not pretty. I've got two on my desk right now.
They will come loose while hanging on a tree - eventually. They may split, delaminate, get chewed upon be squirrels, mice, porcupines whatever. Ever heard of UV light being good for biological material? There is NO upside to your method. None.
You traded weed samples at your antelope camp and that's how you do it in Oregon?
I love your threads....
I can neither officially confirm nor deny that there was a very surprising amount of that sort of thing happening... 40-65 year old guys, big hunting rigs, ATV's, every overt sign of redneckitude... yet.... we seem to have entered a very enlightened new era in that regard. At least in Oregon.
I'm ok with that.
Read this this morning:
"The researchers found that those who took marijuana on a regular basis had greater global oxygen extraction fraction (OEF) and cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen (CMRO2) as compared to the non-users. The study also showed that the cerebral blood flow (CBF) in the putamen — a round structure located at the base of the forebrain that is linked to learning — was much more in marijuana users than non-users."
I'm. Just. Saying.
Does that mean you hunted smarter not harder while you were playing redneck? Lmao...
Your way will result in horn degradation. For sure.
You do know that antelope horns are shed every year, right? Ever seen one after 6 months in the weather? Not pretty. I've got two on my desk right now.
They will come loose while hanging on a tree - eventually. They may split, delaminate, get chewed upon be squirrels, mice, porcupines whatever. Ever heard of UV light being good for biological material? There is NO upside to your method. None.
Oh, THAT'S not true. The upside is I don't have to deal with a stinking rotting animal head.
Hmmmm. Well, poop. I can keep it out of UV, and it should be ok with rodents... don't have many tree-dwellers here other than squirrels and I doubt they'd be interested. I hung an elk head in this way and some critter bigger than I'd accounted for got it out of the tree and ate the meat off the thing (I'm pretty sure it was Bigfoot, but it's just barely possible it was something else)..... grin....
I know this is borderline hearsay around here but I'm just not a big trophy guy. Having the skull/horns as a momento of the hunt would be cool but it's not really that big a deal to me.
You traded weed samples at your antelope camp and that's how you do it in Oregon?
I love your threads....
I can neither officially confirm nor deny that there was a very surprising amount of that sort of thing happening... 40-65 year old guys, big hunting rigs, ATV's, every overt sign of redneckitude... yet.... we seem to have entered a very enlightened new era in that regard. At least in Oregon.
I'm ok with that.
Read this this morning:
"The researchers found that those who took marijuana on a regular basis had greater global oxygen extraction fraction (OEF) and cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen (CMRO2) as compared to the non-users. The study also showed that the cerebral blood flow (CBF) in the putamen — a round structure located at the base of the forebrain that is linked to learning — was much more in marijuana users than non-users."
I'm. Just. Saying.
Does that mean you hunted smarter not harder while you were playing redneck? Lmao...
Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Originally Posted by GregW
You traded weed samples at your antelope camp and that's how you do it in Oregon?
I love your threads....
I can neither officially confirm nor deny that there was a very surprising amount of that sort of thing happening... 40-65 year old guys, big hunting rigs, ATV's, every overt sign of redneckitude... yet.... we seem to have entered a very enlightened new era in that regard. At least in Oregon.
I'm ok with that.
Read this this morning:
"The researchers found that those who took marijuana on a regular basis had greater global oxygen extraction fraction (OEF) and cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen (CMRO2) as compared to the non-users. The study also showed that the cerebral blood flow (CBF) in the putamen — a round structure located at the base of the forebrain that is linked to learning — was much more in marijuana users than non-users."
I'm. Just. Saying.
Does that mean you hunted smarter not harder while you were playing redneck? Lmao...
No, I hunted hard and probably kind of stupidly <grin>. And stone cold sober. But back at the campground it was quite the social scene, and what I described was just... the truth.
Oh, THAT'S not true. The upside is I don't have to deal with a stinking rotting animal head.
Hmmmm. Well, poop. I can keep it out of UV, and it should be ok with rodents... don't have many tree-dwellers here other than squirrels and I doubt they'd be interested. I hung an elk head in this way and some critter bigger than I'd accounted for got it out of the tree and ate the meat off the thing (I'm pretty sure it was Bigfoot, but it's just barely possible it was something else)..... grin....
I know this is borderline hearsay around here but I'm just not a big trophy guy. Having the skull/horns as a momento of the hunt would be cool but it's not really that big a deal to me.
Whatever. They are yours to ruin, or not. As for the "stinking rotting" part, that's only because you didn't deal with it promptly. But be that as it may, it's just a smell. Buckle up and have at it. This isn't hard.
Saw some cool rifles up there. I think having so many years to obsess over it leads to that. My favorite was a full custom 6.5 CM in a McMillan, about the same profile as my Bartlein #3 but with a Lilja, custom Remington-pattern action, forget which one, and a big Nightforce SHV. He liked my build (the fauX) a lot too; we could've traded and both been happy.
Also saw (and heard) the usual rifle stupidity. Guys taking "500 yard!" shots... with no rangefinder. Rifles with wack-ass scopes on them mounted all weird. Etc.
THe fishing up there is awesome. Native redbands, small rivers... my kind of fishing. Caught several in this range.
I unfortunately broke my old Berkeley Cherrywood rod some years ago... but I've been using that same Garcia 308 reel since the 70's, though I did have to procure another one for parts scavenging.
I've not had very good luck getting pronghorn skulls to come out looking nice. A lot of that bone around the nasal area is real light and fragile. I've found aging them naturally works much better with deer and elk than with pronghorn The black horn covers seem to take a beating and the bone chewing rodents can do a number on the light thin bone. Having a taxidermist do a euro mount was not a lot better. I found tons of that clear rubber glue holding together the skull I had done because so much of it fell apart during the skull cleaning process.
You chasing Pronghorn again next year (in a spot that doesn't require points)?
Shame on irfubar.
Originally Posted by irfubar
I will make a prediction. Jeffo will get a buck but it will be after many, many days of hunting and it will be a dink. But he will brag of making a uber long shot under tough conditions.
oops looks like Jeffo posted while I was typing. I am more right than wrong LMAO
Thanks! Yes, I think I've got the bug now. More so if it's as delicious as you guys say. I have eaten antelope but it was stewed in cream of mushroom soup base.... could've been about ANY meat.
Maybe you should stick with activities like burning man. There you could smoke all the weed you want and oogle naked hippy chicks.
I find the way you are treating that antelope disgraceful. That unit is a premier trophy unit that takes years to draw. Many people covet that tag and hunt and would treat it with the respect it deserves and not be so cavalier about it.
You go on a lifetime hunt and don't have a proper camera? And spend time fishing? really?
And you plan to let the head rot in your yard. WTF?
Leave these tags for people who will appreciate them.
Maybe you should stick with activities like burning man. There you could smoke all the weed you want and oogle naked hippy chicks.
I find the way you are treating that antelope disgraceful. That unit is a premier trophy unit that takes years to draw. Many people covet that tag and hunt and would treat it with the respect it deserves and not be so cavalier about it.
You go on a lifetime hunt and don't have a proper camera? And spend time fishing? really?
And you plan to let the head rot in your yard. WTF?
Leave these tags for people who will appreciate them.
Good grief, what makes you think he didn't appreciate that tag? I don't know Jeff , but taking a camera on any hunting trip is not required! As far letting the head rot in the yard, I thought they were exchanging information. The unit he hunted is like most in our state, they take years to draw tag, and we covet all those tags! The information on units is correct also! Hart Mountain herd's are down, they don't let us shoot coyotes there anymore!
Maybe you should stick with activities like burning man. There you could smoke all the weed you want and oogle naked hippy chicks.
I find the way you are treating that antelope disgraceful. That unit is a premier trophy unit that takes years to draw. Many people covet that tag and hunt and would treat it with the respect it deserves and not be so cavalier about it.
You go on a lifetime hunt and don't have a proper camera? And spend time fishing? really?
And you plan to let the head rot in your yard. WTF?
Leave these tags for people who will appreciate them.
Good grief, what makes you think he didn't appreciate that tag? I don't know Jeff , but taking a camera on any hunting trip is not required! As far letting the head rot in the yard, I thought they were exchanging information. The unit he hunted is like most in our state, they take years to draw tag, and we covet all those tags! The information on units is correct also! Hart Mountain herd's are down, they don't let us shoot coyotes there anymore!
His actions lead me to believe he didnt show the animal or the tag the respect it deserves. If you had a clue and pay attention you will see a pattern of Jeff being a dumbazz, this isnt the first coveted tag he has drawn and blown. WTF is wrong with Orgonians?
Maybe you should stick with activities like burning man. There you could smoke all the weed you want and oogle naked hippy chicks.
I find the way you are treating that antelope disgraceful. That unit is a premier trophy unit that takes years to draw. Many people covet that tag and hunt and would treat it with the respect it deserves and not be so cavalier about it.
You go on a lifetime hunt and don't have a proper camera? And spend time fishing? really?
And you plan to let the head rot in your yard. WTF?
Leave these tags for people who will appreciate them.
First you were making fun of him saying he'd have some long involved story, and shoot a dink. Neither of which happened.
So you were wrong, go ahead and admit it. Some people like to mount heads, some mount the horns. Some only care about horns and don't care about the meat which is the wrong way to think IMO. Some very good hunters mount neither head nor horns. It's really none of my business. That you're making it yours says more about you than it does about him.
And berating him for going fishing? Take a long step back.
Maybe you should stick with activities like burning man. There you could smoke all the weed you want and oogle naked hippy chicks.
I find the way you are treating that antelope disgraceful. That unit is a premier trophy unit that takes years to draw. Many people covet that tag and hunt and would treat it with the respect it deserves and not be so cavalier about it.
You go on a lifetime hunt and don't have a proper camera? And spend time fishing? really?
And you plan to let the head rot in your yard. WTF?
Leave these tags for people who will appreciate them.
First you were making fun of him saying he'd have some long involved story, and shoot a dink. Neither of which happened.
So you were wrong, go ahead and admit it. Some people like to mount heads, some mount the horns. Some only care about horns and don't care about the meat which is the wrong way to think IMO. Some very good hunters mount neither head nor horns. It's really none of my business. That you're making it yours says more about you than it does about him.
And berating him for going fishing? Take a long step back.
Fair enough, it isn't a dink and Jeff did work hard and earn it.
I guess my point is if you are not interested in a trophy why not get a b tag in Wyoming? Shoot all the does you legally can, enjoy the hunt the meat the experience etc...
My point regarding fishing was in my experience when a trophy hunt is the goal you stand a good chance of blowing the opportunity if you don't focus on the task at hand. You can fish anytime, you cant hunt antelope in Oregon anytime.
Now fishing after your trophy is down is awesome and smart and makes for a great trip.
And you got to admit Jeff does and says wacky things that make a person think WTF?
Maybe you should stick with activities like burning man. There you could smoke all the weed you want and oogle naked hippy chicks.
I find the way you are treating that antelope disgraceful. That unit is a premier trophy unit that takes years to draw. Many people covet that tag and hunt and would treat it with the respect it deserves and not be so cavalier about it.
You go on a lifetime hunt and don't have a proper camera? And spend time fishing? really?
And you plan to let the head rot in your yard. WTF?
Leave these tags for people who will appreciate them.
So you should go home empty-handed unless you shoot the biggest buck extant?
I thought the purpose was to have a good time, which it sounds like Jeff did.
It was HIS hunt, not YOURS. He paid the freight and did it his way. As it should be.
Saw some cool rifles up there. I think having so many years to obsess over it leads to that. My favorite was a full custom 6.5 CM in a McMillan, about the same profile as my Bartlein #3 but with a Lilja, custom Remington-pattern action, forget which one, and a big Nightforce SHV. He liked my build (the fauX) a lot too; we could've traded and both been happy. ...
Nice rifles are, well, nice. But not necessarily necessary.
My tang-safety Ruger in .257 Roberts has been getting the job done for years and years. Not much special about it except it shoots great. Most special thing about it is the Leupold 3.5-10xAO Vari-X III mounted on top. Bought the rifle and scope separately, both used. A couple years ago I had Leupold install their Varmint hunter (or whatever they call it) reticle and vertical knob, so I now have quite a bit more in the scope (about $500) than I do in the rifle.
Last year I used my $295 used Savage FXP3 (synthetic stock/blue) and a 95g SST. Homely/ugly with a pretty plain scope (Burris FF-II 3-9x Ballistic Plex). But, dang – that thing can shoot! Same scope is on my All Weather Ruger Hawkeye in .280 Rem, which is what I used two years ago. Nothing special about that rifle either except it is also a very good shooter.
Don’t know which of the three I’ll take this year, but I’ll probably be obsessing on that until right before we go. Hell, obsessing is half the fun – and that fun often lasts a lot longer than the hunt itself. Congrats on your rifle, though – it sounds really nice.
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Also saw (and heard) the usual rifle stupidity. Guys taking "500 yard!" shots... with no rangefinder. Rifles with wack-ass scopes on them mounted all weird. Etc.
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Some guys are totally clueless. Right after the Ruger Scouts came out we met a guy in WY that claimed he had just taken his antelope with a’ 400-yard shot’ using his 5.56 Ruger Scout. When I asked about the hold-over he said he aimed ‘right at it’. This was before the Scouts with the ‘long’ 18” barrel were available, so it had to be the 16.1” version. When I asked what ammo he was using he got completely flustered - he had no idea about that, either.
If my .308 Scout shot that flat I could get rid of all my other rifles.
And you got to admit Jeff does and says wacky things that make a person think WTF?
I will admit I've been known to bust Jeff's balls myself. I try to save that for when he does something truly wacky though. Fishing on a hunting trip and the like is far from that IMO.
I know that Jeff's politics get under a lot of people's skin here and he catches a lot of crap for that. But that's just the internet. If he was your neighbor or some guy you met in a bar most would just laugh and shrug off the politics, not go full retard.
And I do get a kick out of the nitwits on the freak show ("Hunter's" Campfire). Talk about living rent-free in someone's head. I really like the "call-out" threads: "No evidence of Russia Collusion, Jeff O goes on suicide watch."
I guess the joke's on them. Jeff wasn't on suicide watch, he was hunting, and killing a really nice buck while the nitwits were sitting at their keyboards. Just like I am now, LOL.
... I know that Jeff's politics get under a lot of people's skin here and he catches a lot of crap for that. But that's just the internet. If he was your neighbor or some guy you met in a bar most would just laugh and shrug off the politics, not go full retard.
And I do get a kick out of the nitwits on the freak show ("Hunter's" Campfire). Talk about living rent-free in someone's head. ...
Seems we might agree about Jeff. I don't understand why any thinking person would be on the political left.
As far as living rent free in your brain, yup, you can't seem to get me out of it. Your problem, not mine.
And you got to admit Jeff does and says wacky things that make a person think WTF?
I will admit I've been known to bust Jeff's balls myself. I try to save that for when he does something truly wacky though. Fishing on a hunting trip and the like is far from that IMO.
I know that Jeff's politics get under a lot of people's skin here and he catches a lot of crap for that. But that's just the internet. If he was your neighbor or some guy you met in a bar most would just laugh and shrug off the politics, not go full retard.
And I do get a kick out of the nitwits on the freak show ("Hunter's" Campfire). Talk about living rent-free in someone's head. I really like the "call-out" threads: "No evidence of Russia Collusion, Jeff O goes on suicide watch."
I guess the joke's on them. Jeff wasn't on suicide watch, he was hunting, and killing a really nice buck while the nitwits were sitting at their keyboards. Just like I am now, LOL.
In the past JeffO and his post have been, shall we say entertaining. One thing he never did was personally attack another poster. He was essentially a nice guy, with goofy views.
Well since Trumps election Jeff seems to have grown a set and is emboldened. He isnt the "nice " guy anymore . He is the one who has gone full retard.
He has sided with the far left and has taken to calling conservatives out and questioning our patriotism etc....
Well if he wants to play that game, I say bring it. Cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen!
Sucks that these threads are infected with politics but politics like it or not has touched every aspect of our lives.
We have let the left slide and ignored them in the past, they simply refuse to let us be and want to encroach on every aspect of our lives.
And you got to admit Jeff does and says wacky things that make a person think WTF?
I will admit I've been known to bust Jeff's balls myself. I try to save that for when he does something truly wacky though. Fishing on a hunting trip and the like is far from that IMO.
I know that Jeff's politics get under a lot of people's skin here and he catches a lot of crap for that. But that's just the internet. If he was your neighbor or some guy you met in a bar most would just laugh and shrug off the politics, not go full retard.
And I do get a kick out of the nitwits on the freak show ("Hunter's" Campfire). Talk about living rent-free in someone's head. I really like the "call-out" threads: "No evidence of Russia Collusion, Jeff O goes on suicide watch."
I guess the joke's on them. Jeff wasn't on suicide watch, he was hunting, and killing a really nice buck while the nitwits were sitting at their keyboards. Just like I am now, LOL.
When I'm proven right, and I will be, about Trump and/or campaign officials colluding with Russia, those guys will be falling all over themselves to acknowledge that and own all the vile crap they've tossed at me, because they are such honorable people operating in such good faith and all. Yeah right. But let's respect THIS forum, and leave that talk for up on the loony forum or in PM's.
To the business at hand. Irfubar, I think you are just plain wrong from the git-go on this issue of respect for an animal's life. It's not "showing respect" to take a photo or to hang their preserved head on the wall; those actions are to stroke YOUR own needs and desires. They have nothing to do with respect for the life of the animal and everything to do with indulging one's own ego and doing a retroactive justification for same.
I am a predator. It's completely in-bounds for me to kill and eat another creature. I do not need to justify it with some kind of after the fact dog and pony show.
Respect is shown by doing one's best to kill the animal cleanly, and to not waste that life by say letting the meat rot or the like. I find many examples of blatant, yet accepted within the hunting community, DISrespect towards animal's live. The first example that comes to mind, and this will piss some people off but that's fine by me, is grizzly hunting, where the cape and head are taken and the meat left to rot. My good friend did just that, as do many (or even most) griz hunters as I understand it.
To your point, I'm sure they take lots of great photos and then get the thing mounted as a trophy on their wall. To my point, that's not fundamentally out of respect for the animal; it's to serve some need the hunter has, to scratch some personal itch. I'm not going to plumb the depths of the human psyche here but that kind of trophyism is, as far as I'm concerned, extremely disrespectful to the animal. Yet, it would appear that to YOU, that's the very pinnacle of respect. I suspect we are simply at loggerheads on that and further, that you ain't changing (or even examining) your position anytime soon.... so I'll leave it at that for the moment. If you want to mount a cogent defense of trophyism, then have at it. And I'll address what YOU type.
Secondarily, you are saying that I've somehow disrespected the tag itself. Since *I* know everything I did to get ready for it, that's kind of comical to me. But please, type more about that and we will address what YOU have to say. Rubbing my hands in anticipation here.
Finally, because I'm a bit of a troll and provocateur around here, let me finish by saying that any time you want to directly compare our measurables, you and I, in the realm of shooting and hunting, I'm all-in. Let me rephrase that. I challenge you to a hiking and shooting contest. And I think I'll whup up on you pretty decisively. Why is that relevant? Because as far as I'm concerned THAT is how one shows respect to the animal: by being physically ready to engage in a true fair-chase hunt, and by being as ready as a guy can be to execute a clean, humane kill. I've done that. Do you?
A couple factual corrections. I fished AFTER I filled my tag. I'm NOT leaving the antelope head in my yard so the dogs can chew on it. For my egotistical reasons I'd like to have a bare skull with horns on it as a momento of the experience. I thought hanging from a tree would do that; worked great for an elk and a big blacktail. Sounds like that might not work with antelope. I haven't yet decided if I care enough about my own personal trophyism/ego stroke needs to go to plan B.
... I know that Jeff's politics get under a lot of people's skin here and he catches a lot of crap for that. But that's just the internet. If he was your neighbor or some guy you met in a bar most would just laugh and shrug off the politics, not go full retard.
And I do get a kick out of the nitwits on the freak show ("Hunter's" Campfire). Talk about living rent-free in someone's head. ...
Seems we might agree about Jeff. I don't understand why any thinking person would be on the political left.
As far as living rent free in your brain, yup, you can't seem to get me out of it. Your problem, not mine.
Ugh. Another factual correction. I'm not on the political Left. Nor am I on the political Right. YOU try taking a centrist position on issues up on the loony forum and see how you get branded. I'm contesting that branding. They don't get to define me. They lie.
Can we not talk politics on the General Hunting forum, please? I'm done; if you guys want to spin out in that direction I'll just unsub from the thread and you guys can have at it.
JeffO, Did you read my post regarding "B" tags in Wyoming?
If all you want is a hunt and the challenge of success why use a premier trophy unit that takes years for people to draw?
As far as trophy mounts and stroking ego's I am sure that is true for many? Not me. I truly enjoy looking at my trophy antelope everyday. It bring back memories of the hunt and the challenge and good times, and it is beautiful!
I believe a quality mounts preserves more of the animal and shows respect for the animal, we may have to agree to disagree on that?
As far as your challenge , reminds me of a few months back when you said you accomplished "super human things" the last couple of years? I wanted to compare accomplishments, because I also accomplished a lot, never considered myself super human nor bragged as such, never heard back from you on that challenge?
I would like to congratulate you on your successful hunt and a fine trophy though.
And you are a fine cheerleader for the deep state, congratulations, be prepared to be on the wrong side of history though, and yes you will be judged.
Saw some cool rifles up there. I think having so many years to obsess over it leads to that. My favorite was a full custom 6.5 CM in a McMillan, about the same profile as my Bartlein #3 but with a Lilja, custom Remington-pattern action, forget which one, and a big Nightforce SHV. He liked my build (the fauX) a lot too; we could've traded and both been happy. ...
Nice rifles are, well, nice. But not necessarily necessary.
My tang-safety Ruger in .257 Roberts has been getting the job done for years and years. Not much special about it except it shoots great. Most special thing about it is the Leupold 3.5-10xAO Vari-X III mounted on top. Bought the rifle and scope separately, both used. A couple years ago I had Leupold install their Varmint hunter (or whatever they call it) reticle and vertical knob, so I now have quite a bit more in the scope (about $500) than I do in the rifle.
Last year I used my $295 used Savage FXP3 (synthetic stock/blue) and a 95g SST. Homely/ugly with a pretty plain scope (Burris FF-II 3-9x Ballistic Plex). But, dang – that thing can shoot! Same scope is on my All Weather Ruger Hawkeye in .280 Rem, which is what I used two years ago. Nothing special about that rifle either except it is also a very good shooter.
Don’t know which of the three I’ll take this year, but I’ll probably be obsessing on that until right before we go. Hell, obsessing is half the fun – and that fun often lasts a lot longer than the hunt itself. Congrats on your rifle, though – it sounds really nice.
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Also saw (and heard) the usual rifle stupidity. Guys taking "500 yard!" shots... with no rangefinder. Rifles with wack-ass scopes on them mounted all weird. Etc.
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Some guys are totally clueless. Right after the Ruger Scouts came out we met a guy in WY that claimed he had just taken his antelope with a’ 400-yard shot’ using his 5.56 Ruger Scout. When I asked about the hold-over he said he aimed ‘right at it’. This was before the Scouts with the ‘long’ 18” barrel were available, so it had to be the 16.1” version. When I asked what ammo he was using he got completely flustered - he had no idea about that, either.
If my .308 Scout shot that flat I could get rid of all my other rifles.
Congrats on your buck.
Thanks CH!
Yeah, rifle loonyism is pretty funny sometimes. I'm screwed in that I now have the equipment and skills to do my own work, so I'm in danger of really spinning off into the ether with this stuff <grin>.
I actually would never have traded him. His McStock was nice but my Manners SL is slap-yo-momma awesome. The 6.5 CM is cool (I'm guessing) but the 6.5 SAUM is better yet at least in rifles with a little heft to them like these both had. Etc. BTW- all I did was clone the GAP Extreme Hunter, so all credit goes to GAP for the superb recipe.
JeffO, Did you read my post regarding "B" tags in Wyoming?
If all you want is a hunt and the challenge of success why use a premier trophy unit that takes years for people to draw?
As far as trophy mounts and stroking ego's I am sure that is true for many? Not me. I truly enjoy looking at my trophy antelope everyday. It bring back memories of the hunt and the challenge and good times, and it is beautiful!
I believe a quality mounts preserves more of the animal and shows respect for the animal, we may have to agree to disagree on that?
As far as your challenge , reminds me of a few months back when you said you accomplished "super human things" the last couple of years? I wanted to compare accomplishments, because I also accomplished a lot, never considered myself super human nor bragged as such, never heard back from you on that challenge?
I would like to congratulate you on your successful hunt and a fine trophy though.
And you are a fine cheerleader for the deep state, congratulations, be prepared to be on the wrong side of history though, and yes you will be judged.
The superhuman thing was tongue in cheek, as is much of what I type, though that gets lost around here. That said? What I've done in the last ~ 5 years, in sum total, wouldn't be matched by many guys in my age range. Just a statement of fact. If you'd like to talk more about that I'll go into detail in PM's. I'm not getting into a public dick waving contest here.
I accept you congrats and please allow me to sincerely thank you. And I'm genuinely surprised to hear him described as a quality buck in that sense. Guess even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn!
Cutting up the 'lope... think I mentioned the crew from Tillamook who insisted I put the meat in their chest freezer then ran their generator all night to mostly freeze the meat? Big shoutout to those guys. Zero bone-sour odor in the hams. Thanks guys!!!!!!!!
The meat appears quite tender. Yum. Can't wait to fire up the grill.
JeffO, Did you read my post regarding "B" tags in Wyoming?
If all you want is a hunt and the challenge of success why use a premier trophy unit that takes years for people to draw?
As far as trophy mounts and stroking ego's I am sure that is true for many? Not me. I truly enjoy looking at my trophy antelope everyday. It bring back memories of the hunt and the challenge and good times, and it is beautiful!
I believe a quality mounts preserves more of the animal and shows respect for the animal, we may have to agree to disagree on that?
As far as your challenge , reminds me of a few months back when you said you accomplished "super human things" the last couple of years? I wanted to compare accomplishments, because I also accomplished a lot, never considered myself super human nor bragged as such, never heard back from you on that challenge?
I would like to congratulate you on your successful hunt and a fine trophy though.
And you are a fine cheerleader for the deep state, congratulations, be prepared to be on the wrong side of history though, and yes you will be judged.
The superhuman thing was tongue in cheek, as is much of what I type, though that gets lost around here. That said? What I've done in the last ~ 5 years, in sum total, wouldn't be matched by many guys in my age range. Just a statement of fact. If you'd like to talk more about that I'll go into detail in PM's. I'm not getting into a public dick waving contest here.
I accept you congrats and please allow me to sincerely thank you. And I'm genuinely surprised to hear him described as a quality buck in that sense. Guess even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn!
We'll see about the latter and who judges whom.
LMFAO.
"Kudos" to you. And all the other homos on disability that want to try and blend in.
TOM is mistaken about pronghorn meat. It does NOT need aging like deer and elk. Aging breaks down collagen in muscle tissue, through natural enzyme action, but antelope have very little collagen in their meat, even older bucks. The U. of Wyoming's meat-science department with pronghorn meat, called a "shear test," using a sharp blade connected to a pressure gauge. They found that even mature buck antelope have meat as tender as 6-month-old lamb. The only real trick is the get it cooled pretty quickly (it sounds like you did) but it's ready for butchering within 24 hours.
Very interesting. As I was taking apart the quarters today I was reflecting on how similar they are to a deer,really, or even a PERSON if you think in terms of the basic construction of the mammal. Wonder why less collagen. Helps the muscles move quickly? Less chance of tearing? You'd be screwed if you pulled a hammie at 60 mph... grin...
It's butchered! Very mild-smelling meat. That was illustrated when I ground up a couple shoulder roasts from 2015's mulie while I had the grinder out... the deer venison had a noticeably musky smell compared to the antelope.
This place is something else. 15 years to shoot a piss head, totally [bleep] clueless on how to care for it, but we're told by other clueless [bleep] "it's a nice one".
I know I'm an [bleep], but this place is truly full of Window lickers
Well, I'll grant that you are a [bleep].
It's a piss head?
I was clueless how to care for it? You mean the "trophy", or the meat, or what?
Just a humble rook trying to tap your vast wisdom here.
As far as living rent free in your brain, yup, you can't seem to get me out of it. Your problem, not mine.
If that was addressed to me, WTF are you talking about.
Originally Posted by smokepole
... And I do get a kick out of the nitwits on the freak show ("Hunter's" Campfire). Talk about living rent-free in someone's head. ...
f that was not addressed to me, my apologies.
We've had some significant disagreements but I suspect we agree on more than we disagree. As to living rent free in someone's head, I know I do that to more than one person on this forum, especially some that can't defend their position without resorting to intentionally distorting the facts (aka 'lying'), name-calling and so on. For some, a rational and fact-based discussion is beyond their ability.
This place is something else. 15 years to shoot a piss head, totally [bleep] clueless on how to care for it, but we're told by other clueless [bleep] "it's a nice one".
I know I'm an [bleep], but this place is truly full of Window lickers
Yep, I'm one of the guilty ones, I called it a nice one. Just to congratulate him on a successful hunt more than anything else, I'm no B&C judge nor do I purport to be.
But I see your point, that kind of crap has no place here, much better to just berate him for stuff like going fishing during a hunting trip, and not taking proper care of a piss head.
Jeff O, you're a clueless F*ck. There, now I feel better.
Edited to add for Jeff O, you do know you bring this onto yourself, right? Some are willing to cut you a break but lots aren't and I can see it from their perspective. Regardless of your own opinions, talking about stuff like "trading weed" in camp and creating an epic 30-page thread on a brief pronghorn hunt is not casting you or hunters in general in the best light. "Just my opinion."
Just was given a bunch of salmon and traded weed samples with some guys. Hey, that's how we roll here in Oregon, don't like it, don't read it.
I used to think the generous portions of animosity pointed your way were oftentimes undeserved. But you truly are a clueless twit and earn everything you get in spades.
Nice Antelope Jeff and congrats. Interesting story on how he came to his end. Personally, I have come to leave those caps off. I have them, but unless I think I'm going to need them they stay off.
Have to agree with Smoke on the bring it on yourself comment. I try to like you and do, but you make it difficult. You want to smoke Dope, your choice, but hunting, shooting and THC are not compatable endeavors. You quote your oxygen benefit. I'll have you another to think about: Half-life.
"What is the half life of THC?
The half life of a drug is the amount of time it takes for measured amounts in the bloodstream or urine to decrease by half. The half life for THC is long, because THC is stored in the body’s fat cells (THC is highly lipid and not easily dissolved in water). Therefore, the blood plasma and urinary half-life of THC are best estimated at 3 – 4 days after ingestion. But depending on the quantity of THC ingested and frequency of use, half life may even extend to 10-12 days after ingestion.
THC levels and habitual use
People who smoke once per week will increase the level of THC in their bodies over time because THC has never been fully eliminated. For these people, the baseline THC levels rise based on metabolism and fat content in the body. Furthermore, people who smoke or eat marijuana 3-5 times a week, have both higher baseline levels of THC in their systems and longer half lives of THC. In other words, regular users of marijuana are continually drug effected. So regular users of marijuana must realize that THC is generally more detectable in their systems than in the bodies of periodic/episodic users of marijuana.
You are a big boy. In your life there is a time to smoke dope and there should also be a time to not. When it comes to firearms, that's how it rolls everywhere.
Again, congrates.
Addition: There was a time, I thought I didn't have a problem with alcohol. I thought I was pretty normal. It wasn't until I quit, that I discovered the truth. FWIW....
The only time the trophy quality of an animal normally comes into the conversation is when it is exceptional. Jeff shot a nice Buck, nice enough for Mule Deer to say the same. Which should be enough in that he has probably seen more than a few. Not big trophy quality, but nice. Few but Jeff would get anything but congrats over a nice representative animal.
Most of us disagree with him on some important issues. However, using them to degrade a nice animal taken fairly is a cheap shot.
Nice Antelope Jeff and congrats. Interesting story on how he came to his end. Personally, I have come to leave those caps off. I have them, but unless I think I'm going to need them they stay off.
Have to agree with Smoke on the bring it on yourself comment. I try to like you and do, but you make it difficult. You want to smoke Dope, your choice, but hunting, shooting and THC are not compatable endeavors. You quote your oxygen benefit. I'll have you another to think about: Half-life.
"What is the half life of THC?
The half life of a drug is the amount of time it takes for measured amounts in the bloodstream or urine to decrease by half. The half life for THC is long, because THC is stored in the body’s fat cells (THC is highly lipid and not easily dissolved in water). Therefore, the blood plasma and urinary half-life of THC are best estimated at 3 – 4 days after ingestion. But depending on the quantity of THC ingested and frequency of use, half life may even extend to 10-12 days after ingestion.
THC levels and habitual use
People who smoke once per week will increase the level of THC in their bodies over time because THC has never been fully eliminated. For these people, the baseline THC levels rise based on metabolism and fat content in the body. Furthermore, people who smoke or eat marijuana 3-5 times a week, have both higher baseline levels of THC in their systems and longer half lives of THC. In other words, regular users of marijuana are continually drug effected. So regular users of marijuana must realize that THC is generally more detectable in their systems than in the bodies of periodic/episodic users of marijuana.
You are a big boy. In your life there is a time to smoke dope and there should also be a time to not. When it comes to firearms, that's how it rolls everywhere.
Again, congrates.
Addition: There was a time, I thought I didn't have a problem with alcohol. I thought I was pretty normal. It wasn't until I quit, that I discovered the truth. FWIW....
I advocate for the substance for a number of reasons, to include stickin' it to the man. It's an aggressive and provocative stance here, to be sure. I suspect you guys would be very very surprised at the number of closeted users, both here and in the world in general. Time to get this out of the closet. PAST time. Guess I'm a activist in that sense. I have just seen far too many positive long-term effects from it to be quiet. As I stated on our exercise thread, I've had the surprising and borderline miraculous mid-life discovery of the higher-CBD edibles and their apparent anti-inflammatory (or something similar) effects. It has been, well, miraculous, in terms of my general pain baseline and how "good" my body feels. And I use my body. While any drug can screw people up, without exception EVERY person I know who's a mid-life or older user is notable for their comparatively high level of baseline athleticism, intellectual curiosity, continuing evolution as a human being, a much higher likelihood of being in successful long-term relationships, and so on. Every one. Does that fly in face, heck PISS in the face of what "the man" has been propagandizing all these decades? Yep, and as a person who had to live under the shade of that propaganda, not to mention the legal jeopordy, for far too long, I take some real joy in pissing in that fat stupid face.
I'm not a heavy user by any means and have not been for several decades, though there was that stretch in college... grin. I am a husband. A father. A tax payer. A business owner. I'm self-employed and work daily on machines that, should they get ahold of me, would render me to splintered bone and blood pudding. I am a stickler about daily sobriety. I NEVER mix intoxicants and firearms, which if we were being honest here, many here can't say (cough DeFlave cough). But in the evening, I'm on my own time. And quite frankly as far as I'm concerned this country would benefit hugely on many different levels if many more adults incorporated this substance into their life in some fashion. We'd be, as a "herd", better, across the board.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it <g>.
It was actually very surprising to me that it was like that up there. *I* was not the instigator of the situations in any of the several cases. I'm not gonna whip it out when talking with a bunch of camo'd up hunters I don't know fer Pete's sake. But they did.
Things are changing fast. If you oppose it, you better get busy. Talk to your lawmakers about cracking down. Petition Jeff Sessions about sending the jack-boots into these [bleep] outlaw states to instill some damn law and order!! Advocate for a heavy federal hand and against state's rights; be a voice against free men acting freely. If that's how you are wired, have at it. I/we have been fighting this battle a very long time. We aren't going anywhere. And you'll just have to excuse a little joyfullness on our part that finally, FINALLY, we can begin the process of approaching this more rationally and further, that the clear benefits might make it through to more people.
Im sorry I just don't like the guy. Lost my power to refrain after 10 pages.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by rosco1
This place is something else. 15 years to shoot a piss head, totally [bleep] clueless on how to care for it, but we're told by other clueless [bleep] "it's a nice one".
I know I'm an [bleep], but this place is truly full of Window lickers
Yep, I'm one of the guilty ones, I called it a nice one. Just to congratulate him on a successful hunt more than anything else, I'm no B&C judge nor do I purport to be.
But I see your point, that kind of crap has no place here, much better to just berate him for stuff like going fishing during a hunting trip, and not taking proper care of a piss head.
Jeff O, you're a clueless F*ck. There, now I feel better.
Edited to add for Jeff O, you do know you bring this onto yourself, right? Some are willing to cut you a break but lots aren't and I can see it from their perspective. Regardless of your own opinions, talking about stuff like "trading weed" in camp and creating an epic 30-page thread on a brief pronghorn hunt is not casting you or hunters in general in the best light. "Just my opinion."
I decided I'm going to go ahead with my original notion to hang the Ol' Piss-Head back in my woods and let nature clean it up. If the horns loosen up I'll deal with that. I'll report back with how that goes. The whole trophyism thing is yet another difference of opinion I have with many here; it's virtually meaningless to me, yet it's THE WHOLE POINT DAMMIT! for some guys. One more reason to get yelled at, I suppose.
I didn't say there were no medical benefits. That is being accepted and on at all levels on a daily basis. What I addressed was the half-life activity of the drug. It's fact. proven repeatedly.
Fight the man, tell us about all the upstanding adult weed smokers your know, etc. I see the kids that come into our ER and you and their stories are often different. A Little bit of weed, a little bit of alcohol. Perhaps barbiturates or amphetamines. Who knows. So don't play the innocent game with those who see some other sides of the cube.
Best feel good drug made is amphetamines. Heck everyone should be able to get it when they want. Ya, some won't be able to handle it, but for the rest that can let them be free men acting freely. HooooRaaaa!!!!
I have nothing against the free man thought. I do have a problem with it when it may hurts mine. Same with motorcycle helmets. Bang your brains out, makes no difference here. But cover your own health insurance to the point the public is never going to have to pay a penny for your care. Then ride free, die young and leave a beautiful body. Whatever.....
There is no shame in politely stating somebody shot a nice buck when they didn't. Lord knows I've been the recipient of similar disingenuous remarks.
However; Jeff O is a fugking idiot. Not because he grows, sells, and smokes weed, and not because he burned 15 years worth of points on a dink. He's an idiot because he's a gun nut that votes in favor of those that oppose guns. I mean, JFC, how low does your IQ have to be to vote against things you are in favor of? And how fugking retarded do you have to be to join a pro-2nd Amendment forum and opine about such things day in and day out and expect to receive anything short of a "fugk you" whenever you start a thread? Then again, based on all the ass sucking and help he receives on a thread with this unprecedented level of retardation, maybe we can begin to understand why this country is in the fugked condition that it is right now.
I know, have hunted, and shared camp, with irfubar and I got news for everyone that hasn't had the pleasure of meeting him. He is the definition of a self-made American entrepreneur and likely accomplished more in his 20's than some dumb fugk, commie lovin', sack of schit like JeffO will with his whole life.
So if he wants to berate that POS excuse for a wall hanger, I'm all for it. Because that's a POS of a wall hanger and animals deserve to die at the hands of better people.
I decided I'm going to go ahead with my original notion to hang the Ol' Piss-Head back in my woods and let nature clean it up. If the horns loosen up I'll deal with that. I'll report back with how that goes. The whole trophyism thing is yet another difference of opinion I have with many here; it's virtually meaningless to me, yet it's THE WHOLE POINT DAMMIT! for some guys. One more reason to get yelled at, I suppose.
SP- we also "traded beer" between the camps. "The horror"!
Hey, it surprised *me* how casual and open about it guys were being; I can certainly see how it'd surprise some of you guys. Who knew it was so prevalent among that demographic? I didn't.
Y'all are grownups. Read what you want. Click threads you want, don't click them if you don't. Don't be so [bleep] snowflakey about it. Jesus. What is this, some kind of "safe space"?
I advocate for the substance for a number of reasons, to include stickin' it to the man.
Will you be taking a knee during the anthem next?
Jeff, your problem is diarrhea of the mouth. Do whatever you like - legal or otherwise, just don't feel compelled to share without a single consideration of the repercussions. (besides stirring the pot)
You're on a gawd-damned gun and hunting forum talking about partaking in substance (that is illegal in the majority of US states) while on a hunting trip. HTF do you think that's gonna be viewed?
I decided I'm going to go ahead with my original notion to hang the Ol' Piss-Head back in my woods and let nature clean it up. If the horns loosen up I'll deal with that. I'll report back with how that goes. The whole trophyism thing is yet another difference of opinion I have with many here; it's virtually meaningless to me, yet it's THE WHOLE POINT DAMMIT! for some guys. One more reason to get yelled at, I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. It will end poorly, and for no good reason, sadly. Tried to help, but wasted my time.
Regardless it was Jeff's hunt to do as he pleases, but he decided to share it here, therefore we are entitled to comment.
Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise. I will admit up until now I hadn't read many of JeffO's posts, and the more I read, the more I appreciate your perspective. Like battue, I was trying.
Originally Posted by rosco1
Im sorry I just don't like the guy. Lost my power to refrain after 10 pages.
I understand, see above. I guess I just don't like being called a window-licker. Most of us window-lickers object to that.
I advocate for the substance for a number of reasons, to include stickin' it to the man. It's an aggressive and provocative stance here, to be sure. I suspect you guys would be very very surprised at the number of closeted users, both here and in the world in general. Time to get this out of the closet. PAST time. Guess I'm a activist in that sense. I have just seen far too many positive long-term effects from it to be quiet. As I stated on our exercise thread, I've had the surprising and borderline miraculous mid-life discovery of the higher-CBD edibles and their apparent anti-inflammatory (or something similar) effects. It has been, well, miraculous, in terms of my general pain baseline and how "good" my body feels. And I use my body. While any drug can screw people up, without exception EVERY person I know who's a mid-life or older user is notable for their comparatively high level of baseline athleticism, intellectual curiosity, continuing evolution as a human being, a much higher likelihood of being in successful long-term relationships, and so on. Every one. Does that fly in face, heck PISS in the face of what "the man" has been propagandizing all these decades? Yep, and as a person who had to live under the shade of that propaganda, not to mention the legal jeopordy, for far too long, I take some real joy in pissing in that fat stupid face.
I'm not a heavy user by any means and have not been for several decades, though there was that stretch in college... grin. I am a husband. A father. A tax payer. A business owner. I'm self-employed and work daily on machines that, should they get ahold of me, would render me to splintered bone and blood pudding. I am a stickler about daily sobriety. I NEVER mix intoxicants and firearms, which if we were being honest here, many here can't say (cough DeFlave cough). But in the evening, I'm on my own time. And quite frankly as far as I'm concerned this country would benefit hugely on many different levels if many more adults incorporated this substance into their life in some fashion. We'd be, as a "herd", better, across the board.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it <g>.
It was actually very surprising to me that it was like that up there. *I* was not the instigator of the situations in any of the several cases. I'm not gonna whip it out when talking with a bunch of camo'd up hunters I don't know fer Pete's sake. But they did.
Things are changing fast. If you oppose it, you better get busy. Talk to your lawmakers about cracking down. Petition Jeff Sessions about sending the jack-boots into these [bleep] outlaw states to instill some damn law and order!! Advocate for a heavy federal hand and against state's rights; be a voice against free men acting freely. If that's how you are wired, have at it. I/we have been fighting this battle a very long time. We aren't going anywhere. And you'll just have to excuse a little joyfullness on our part that finally, FINALLY, we can begin the process of approaching this more rationally and further, that the clear benefits might make it through to more people.
Where to start. I really don't want to be on this thread any more but since I was one of the guys defending you I feel the need to comment.
First, as far as being an "activist," I consider myself an activist in promoting hunting and trying to get more people into it. And what you're saying here (besides being BullSh**) doesn't help to promote hunting, it does the opposite. I don't really care what someone does or doesn't do in private, it's none of my business. But when you post it here in the context of a hunting trip you make it my business. I volunteer a good amount of time helping people get their hunter education card and hunting licenses. I'm not bragging, just giving you my definition of "activism." Talking about "sticking it to the man" and "taking a provocative stance" on an internet forum with an audience that's not receptive does not make you an activist. It just makes you a sh**-stirrer. And if the citizens of a particular state vote to make it legal, I don't want the feds coming in, never advocated for that so stuff that BS where the sun don't shine.
And your own personal observations on the high-functioning nature of cannabis users are just that--your own observations, backed up with nothing. My observations run counter, including the 30-something dreadlocked grungy white dude I saw passed out on the street Thursday night with a sign that said "Need Funds for Cannabis and Munchies." And the documented steep rise in the need for homeless shelters and services here due to the influx of people who've moved to CO because cannabis is legal. And the guys I saw in college who sat around all day smoking pot and flunked out because they couldn't drag their asses off the couch to go to class.
Like battue noted, there are many legitimate medical uses, not only CBD for pain and conditions like fibromyalgia, but it's also used to treat children who suffer from certain types of seizures. Everyone knows that CBD is an extract that doesn't have the psychoactive ingredient, THC.
But I don't think you were trading CBD up there, were you? Trading weed in hunting camp is a long way from treating someone's chronic pain with CBD, so don't even try to equate the two.
TOM is mistaken about pronghorn meat. It does NOT need aging like deer and elk. Aging breaks down collagen in muscle tissue, through natural enzyme action, but antelope have very little collagen in their meat, even older bucks. The U. of Wyoming's meat-science department with pronghorn meat, called a "shear test," using a sharp blade connected to a pressure gauge. They found that even mature buck antelope have meat as tender as 6-month-old lamb. The only real trick is the get it cooled pretty quickly (it sounds like you did) but it's ready for butchering within 24 hours.
congrats jeff on good animal. bury the head completely in dirt
yep there are bigger bucks but he is happy. steens are an awesome place to explore. Nice redband! Shame did not take a fly rod
i have shot quite a few antelope but never knew that about their meat and aging. interesting
Ol' Piss Head (thanks for the great name rosco!) is officially in the process of becoming.... whatever. Hopefully a Euro style mount. We'll see what happens. Stinky fugger.
I'll update things as the "curing" process unfolds.
Truly appreciate the advice and well-wishes guys. It's was a really fun experience and I can't wait to hunt them again. My buds (not that kind, silly) and I are plotting a trip to Wyoming next year. If the meat is as good as everyone says... this is just a first antelope of many.
Also had a great time hanging with and sharing intel with all the great guys at Page Springs CG. If you stumble across this thread, as you know, the general vibe up there was of sharing and rooting for each other to succeed- it was awesome. Salute!
Thinkin I'll un-sub from this thread now. I have stirred enough pots for one thread.
Thanks again guys- haters included- for an entertaining and informative thread. One more episode of As The Campfire Turns. I knew you wouldn't let me down and it's been fun.
SP, your points are duly noted. Looking back it looks like I aimed my diatribe at you- I hadn't meant to. But consider this. Would you be busting on that if I'd said there was lots of IPA trading up there? Doubt it. In my personal experience in terms of, well, EVERYTHING alcohol is far more damaging than weed. You're a smart and reasonable guy; you see the hypocrisies there. If I'm on the leading edge of opening folks minds on this here then so be it. Getting hated on comes with that territory. I can take it. Anyway, you'll be seeing this behavior in a whole lot more hunting camps. Like it or don't; it's here. As I said it surprised the heck out of me. Camo'd up redneck-lookin dudes kept whilping it out. Weird and a little shocking- that's granted. Also a plain fact and IMHO in the big picture a good thing. Time will tell.
I hung it where I can check with binocs from the house. If that happens I'll just have to beat the critters to it. Or not. At the end of the day it's just a dang dead ungulate skull, not like its grandma's ashes or something.
I hung it where I can check with binocs from the house. If that happens I'll just have to beat the critters to it. Or not. At the end of the day it's just a dang dead ungulate skull, not like its grandma's ashes or something.
I really tried to stay out of this.
But you really are one dumbazz mofo.
Years worth of points for a tag. You shoot a buck you deem worthy. And then hang it up like that. Unreal.
Ol' Piss Head (thanks for the great name rosco!) is officially in the process of becoming.... whatever. Hopefully a Euro style mount. We'll see what happens. Stinky fugger.
I'll update things as the "curing" process unfolds.
Truly appreciate the advice and well-wishes guys. It's was a really fun experience and I can't wait to hunt them again. My buds (not that kind, silly) and I are plotting a trip to Wyoming next year. If the meat is as good as everyone says... this is just a first antelope of many.
Also had a great time hanging with and sharing intel with all the great guys at Page Springs CG. If you stumble across this thread, as you know, the general vibe up there was of sharing and rooting for each other to succeed- it was awesome. Salute!
Thinkin I'll un-sub from this thread now. I have stirred enough pots for one thread.
Thanks again guys- haters included- for an entertaining and informative thread. One more episode of As The Campfire Turns. I knew you wouldn't let me down and it's been fun.
GD you are not the brightest guy in town.. To help with the process why didn't you cut the hide off the head and get it down to the skull. But I'm sure you just took that photo to get a stir out of people. As smomepole said you are [bleep] stirrer and live for this [bleep]. I left Oregon 19yrs ago and because of folks like you makes me glad I'm never going back..
Ol' Piss Head (thanks for the great name rosco!) is officially in the process of becoming.... whatever. Hopefully a Euro style mount. We'll see what happens. Stinky fugger.
I'll update things as the "curing" process unfolds.
Truly appreciate the advice and well-wishes guys. It's was a really fun experience and I can't wait to hunt them again. My buds (not that kind, silly) and I are plotting a trip to Wyoming next year. If the meat is as good as everyone says... this is just a first antelope of many.
Also had a great time hanging with and sharing intel with all the great guys at Page Springs CG. If you stumble across this thread, as you know, the general vibe up there was of sharing and rooting for each other to succeed-
it was awesome. Salute!
Thinkin I'll un-sub from this thread now. I have stirred enough pots for one thread.
Thanks again guys- haters included- for an entertaining and informative thread. One more episode of As The Campfire Turns. I knew you wouldn't let me down and it's been fun.
GD you are not the brightest guy in town.. To help with the process why didn't you cut the hide off the head and get it down to the skull. But I'm sure you just took that photo to get a stir out of people. As smomepole said you are [bleep] stirrer and live for this [bleep]. I left Oregon 19yrs ago and because of folks like you makes me glad I'm never going back..
Exactly. Complete dipshit but has guys patting him on the back here. I would honestly flatten the dipshits nose if I ever met him.
I decided I'm going to go ahead with my original notion to hang the Ol' Piss-Head back in my woods and let nature clean it up. If the horns loosen up I'll deal with that. I'll report back with how that goes. The whole trophyism thing is yet another difference of opinion I have with many here; it's virtually meaningless to me, yet it's THE WHOLE POINT DAMMIT! for some guys. One more reason to get yelled at, I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. It will end poorly, and for no good reason, sadly. Tried to help, but wasted my time.
Anytime you try to give good advice to this dipshit it is time wasted . Even tho I totally disagree with your methods on taking care of the head, at least you had a method that worked for you. The dumbass Jeff just wants to be a [bleep] diva and look cute while wasting everyone's time. There are a few people that know him by name and reputation from here. I will honestly drop the [bleep] if I was ever to meet him
Too add good taxidermist do not charge all that much for a good euro mount either. Says alot about a guy who will spend a fortune on a rifle but won't spend$200 for a nice European mount.
15 years waiting, shoot an absolute pisshead two year old buck , seemingly only to get attention from those that you try to be loved by (men).Few things I'm sure of, you build a [bleep] rifle, about he [bleep] hunter ive I've read of ,yet you have guys here giving you props, guys that you wouldn't even be allowed to polish their boots for a mornining hunt .i guess everyone here is in to awarding participation trophies.. you're the biggest piece of [bleep] I've never met.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Ol' Piss Head (thanks for the great name rosco!) is officially in the process of becoming.... whatever. Hopefully a Euro style mount. We'll see what happens. Stinky fugger.
I'll update things as the "curing" process unfolds.
Truly appreciate the advice and well-wishes guys. It's was a really fun experience and I can't wait to hunt them again. My buds (not that kind, silly) and I are plotting a trip to Wyoming next year. If the meat is as good as everyone says... this is just a first antelope of many.
Also had a great time hanging with and sharing intel with all the great guys at Page Springs CG. If you stumble across this thread, as you know, the general vibe up there was of sharing and rooting for each other to succeed- it was awesome. Salute!
Thinkin I'll un-sub from this thread now. I have stirred enough pots for one thread.
Thanks again guys- haters included- for an entertaining and informative thread. One more episode of As The Campfire Turns. I knew you wouldn't let me down and it's been fun.
Ol' Piss Head (thanks for the great name rosco!) is officially in the process of becoming.... whatever. Hopefully a Euro style mount. We'll see what happens. Stinky fugger.
I'll update things as the "curing" process unfolds.
Truly appreciate the advice and well-wishes guys. It's was a really fun experience and I can't wait to hunt them again. My buds (not that kind, silly) and I are plotting a trip to Wyoming next year. If the meat is as good as everyone says... this is just a first antelope of many.
Also had a great time hanging with and sharing intel with all the great guys at Page Springs CG. If you stumble across this thread, as you know, the general vibe up there was of sharing and rooting for each other to succeed- it was awesome. Salute!
Thinkin I'll un-sub from this thread now. I have stirred enough pots for one thread.
Thanks again guys- haters included- for an entertaining and informative thread. One more episode of As The Campfire Turns. I knew you wouldn't let me down and it's been fun.
GD you are not the brightest guy in town.. To help with the process why didn't you cut the hide off the head and get it down to the skull. But I'm sure you just took that photo to get a stir out of people. As smomepole said you are [bleep] stirrer and live for this [bleep]. I left Oregon 19yrs ago and because of folks like you makes me glad I'm never going back..
I knew I shouldn't have tuned into this thread...JeffO never disappoints , he's still the biggest Piece of [bleep] on the Campfire.....
Ol' Piss Head (thanks for the great name rosco!) is officially in the process of becoming.... whatever. Hopefully a Euro style mount. We'll see what happens. Stinky fugger.
I'll update things as the "curing" process unfolds.
Truly appreciate the advice and well-wishes guys. It's was a really fun experience and I can't wait to hunt them again. My buds (not that kind, silly) and I are plotting a trip to Wyoming next year. If the meat is as good as everyone says... this is just a first antelope of many.
Also had a great time hanging with and sharing intel with all the great guys at Page Springs CG. If you stumble across this thread, as you know, the general vibe up there was of sharing and rooting for each other to succeed- it was awesome. Salute!
Thinkin I'll un-sub from this thread now. I have stirred enough pots for one thread.
Thanks again guys- haters included- for an entertaining and informative thread. One more episode of As The Campfire Turns. I knew you wouldn't let me down and it's been fun.
GD you are not the brightest guy in town.. To help with the process why didn't you cut the hide off the head and get it down to the skull. But I'm sure you just took that photo to get a stir out of people. As smomepole said you are [bleep] stirrer and live for this [bleep]. I left Oregon 19yrs ago and because of folks like you makes me glad I'm never going back..
I knew I shouldn't have tuned into this thread...JeffO never disappoints , he's still the biggest Piece of [bleep] on the Campfire.....
For a tag that your lucky to get maybe every 12-15 years here in Oregon I had hoped you would take care of the trophy a little better than that. Gotta admit that it is lame so why even post it here???
Would you be busting on that if I'd said there was lots of IPA trading up there? Doubt it.
Wrong. I don't like to read about people drinking in hunt camp either. Not that I'm against drinking, it's just not one of the things I'd dwell on if I was writing a post about a hunt. It sends the wrong message and it's not what hunting is about. At least for me.
Say what you want about alcohol vs cannabis, the fact is alcohol has been an accepted part of our culture for millennia and weed still is not. Moderate alcohol use is not offensive to most but weed is offensive to many. So your post is offensive to many and yes, I get that you don't give a sh** and I think that's sad.
Just like you don't give a sh** about those horns, I get that too. But as you can see, many do so your posting that photo is just another example of sh**-stirring and attention whoring. Congratulations. "Stick it to the man." We are not "the man."
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
SP, your points are duly noted. Looking back it looks like I aimed my diatribe at you- I hadn't meant to. But consider this. Would you be busting on that if I'd said there was lots of IPA trading up there? Doubt it. In my personal experience in terms of, well, EVERYTHING alcohol is far more damaging than weed. You're a smart and reasonable guy; you see the hypocrisies there. If I'm on the leading edge of opening folks minds on this here then so be it. Getting hated on comes with that territory. I can take it. Anyway, you'll be seeing this behavior in a whole lot more hunting camps. Like it or don't; it's here. As I said it surprised the heck out of me. Camo'd up redneck-lookin dudes kept whilping it out. Weird and a little shocking- that's granted. Also a plain fact and IMHO in the big picture a good thing. Time will tell.
Jeff try and give you the benefit of a doubt because you good naturedly put up with a lot of schit on here for the most part but sheesh!
On a positive note next year's lucky tag holder will have a better shot at a what should be a really mature buck that Jeff did not bother to look for Hate to judge other hunters that are satisfied and follow all laws when taking an animal
I have nothing against the free man thought. I do have a problem with it when it may hurts mine. Same with motorcycle helmets. Bang your brains out, makes no difference here. But cover your own health insurance to the point the public is never going to have to pay a penny for your care. Then ride free, die young and leave a beautiful body. Whatever.....
I feel the same way about anyone that uses tobacco, alcohol; other drugs or engages in high or even low-risk adventures. No one should expect anyone else to pay their freight.
Any anyone that is using tobacco or alcohol and gets on Jeff-O's case is a hypocrite.
Full disclosure: Back in the late 60's my younger brothers and I had a saying "Better living through chemistry." That included mushroms and cactus. I smoked weed for about 12 years and cigarettes longer. Gave it all up but still enjoy an occasional glass of wine with my dinner.
I was thinking he was pretty dinky, but at camp other hunters kept saying he was a pretty good buck. Who knew?!
Sammo, my plan for mounting it is as follows: hang the head from a tree way out in my woods and let Sasquatch and bugs clean it up this winter. What could go wrong <grin>?
Just about everything. A better way (among many) is to simply put the head in a trash bag for a few days to let the horns loosen. Cut around the base to help them separate from the hide if necessary but they should slide off after a few days.
In the meantime, skin and deflesh the head as much as possible. Remove eyes, ears, tongue, and every scrape of meat that you can. Then put it in a bucket of water, put a lid on it, and forget about it for 1-4 months. Removed and power wash at the local carwash. You can resoak with some detergent to remove any oils from the bone but usually not necessary. Just dry and slide the horns back on - you may need some paper towels to help the bone spurs grip the horns properly.
Simple.
Welp.
Touching base to say boy were Leroy & Jordan and others right, and boy was my "plan" wrong.
Looked out there with my binocs this morning and it'd ALREADY slipped the horn it was hanging from! D'oh. Went out and retrieved the stinky [bleep] and will proceed more or less according to Mr. Beans' suggestions. Thanks again guys.
Enjoy conversing with you because you generally make valid, succinct points and usually avoid getting overly personal. I'll give you a mulligan because clearly I upset you. But to MY point, what you are saying there clearly illustrates why, in my view, guys like me should be talking about this. If not me, who? If not here, where? If it's not talked about, then how do attitudes evolve and change? Do you not agree that attitudes should evolve and change? Why exactly am I supposed to be so ashamed of this? Why exactly do I have to stay in the closet so to speak? Because some people are idiots about it? To avoid hurting some precious lil feelers?
Buck up, troopers, and to turn the rhetoric around just because it amuses me, stop being snowflakes about this with your trigger words and micro-aggressions. It's no better than the wacky-pronoun gender-confused kids these days pitching fits about "whatever". Get over your preciousness.
Guess that's sort of pointed your direction but it's a more general statement. I'm just aiming at you 'cause you aimed at me.
Peace out.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Would you be busting on that if I'd said there was lots of IPA trading up there? Doubt it.
Wrong. I don't like to read about people drinking in hunt camp either. Not that I'm against drinking, it's just not one of the things I'd dwell on if I was writing a post about a hunt. It sends the wrong message and it's not what hunting is about. At least for me.
Say what you want about alcohol vs cannabis, the fact is alcohol has been an accepted part of our culture for millennia and weed still is not. Moderate alcohol use is not offensive to most but weed is offensive to many. So your post is offensive to many and yes, I get that you don't give a sh** and I think that's sad.
Just like you don't give a sh** about those horns, I get that too. But as you can see, many do so your posting that photo is just another example of sh**-stirring and attention whoring. Congratulations. "Stick it to the man." We are not "the man."
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
SP, your points are duly noted. Looking back it looks like I aimed my diatribe at you- I hadn't meant to. But consider this. Would you be busting on that if I'd said there was lots of IPA trading up there? Doubt it. In my personal experience in terms of, well, EVERYTHING alcohol is far more damaging than weed. You're a smart and reasonable guy; you see the hypocrisies there. If I'm on the leading edge of opening folks minds on this here then so be it. Getting hated on comes with that territory. I can take it. Anyway, you'll be seeing this behavior in a whole lot more hunting camps. Like it or don't; it's here. As I said it surprised the heck out of me. Camo'd up redneck-lookin dudes kept whilping it out. Weird and a little shocking- that's granted. Also a plain fact and IMHO in the big picture a good thing. Time will tell.
I have nothing against the free man thought. I do have a problem with it when it may hurts mine. Same with motorcycle helmets. Bang your brains out, makes no difference here. But cover your own health insurance to the point the public is never going to have to pay a penny for your care. Then ride free, die young and leave a beautiful body. Whatever.....
I feel the same way about anyone that uses tobacco, alcohol; other drugs or engages in high or even low-risk adventures. No one should expect anyone else to pay their freight.
Any anyone that is using tobacco or alcohol and gets on Jeff-O's case is a hypocrite.
Full disclosure: Back in the late 60's my younger brothers and I had a saying "Better living through chemistry." That included mushroms and cactus. I smoked weed for about 12 years and cigarettes longer. Gave it all up but still enjoy an occasional glass of wine with my dinner.
Never tried the cactus. You are a braver man than me. Have a couple pretty funny mushroom stories from back in the day. Far too old for any of that craziness now, and without the innocence of youth and with The End in sight it might be a pretty dark trip anyway. I'm a moderate alcohol drinker these days too though I certainly had my fun. I am a musician and played in numerous bands back in the day and then ran a pro recording studio for almost 20 years so I've seen it all. Weed ain't no thang.
I was thinking he was pretty dinky, but at camp other hunters kept saying he was a pretty good buck. Who knew?!
Sammo, my plan for mounting it is as follows: hang the head from a tree way out in my woods and let Sasquatch and bugs clean it up this winter. What could go wrong <grin>?
Just about everything. A better way (among many) is to simply put the head in a trash bag for a few days to let the horns loosen. Cut around the base to help them separate from the hide if necessary but they should slide off after a few days.
In the meantime, skin and deflesh the head as much as possible. Remove eyes, ears, tongue, and every scrape of meat that you can. Then put it in a bucket of water, put a lid on it, and forget about it for 1-4 months. Removed and power wash at the local carwash. You can resoak with some detergent to remove any oils from the bone but usually not necessary. Just dry and slide the horns back on - you may need some paper towels to help the bone spurs grip the horns properly.
Simple.
Welp.
Touching base to say boy were Leroy & Jordan and others right, and boy was my "plan" wrong.
Looked out there with my binocs this morning and it'd ALREADY slipped the horn it was hanging from! D'oh. Went out and retrieved the stinky [bleep] and will proceed more or less according to Mr. Beans' suggestions. Thanks again guys.
Please put some Borax in the horns. They will stink less. Keep them out of the sun too. 20 Mule Team will work fine.
Any anyone that is using tobacco or alcohol and gets on Jeff-O's case is a hypocrite.
Bullsh**. If you read my posts, I said I don't have anything against alcohol, and if someone wants to smoke weed it's none of my business, and none of the federal government's business.
So I'm not getting on Jeff's case for any of that. I'm getting on his case for writing about it on a public hunting forum.
Some of my oldest and dearest friends from as far back as high school have been long term pot smokers. After long term use it definitely has affects on the users ability to reason and come to logical conclusions.
It is a syndrome I refer to as" being in their own head" they seem to have a hard time separating fiction from reality. They buy into wild conspiracy theories. They believe they are smarter and more enlightened, trust me they are not!
I have NEVER seen a person become smarter after smoking, quite the opposite actually.
Enjoy conversing with you because you generally make valid, succinct points and usually avoid getting overly personal. I'll give you a mulligan because clearly I upset you. But to MY point, what you are saying there clearly illustrates why, in my view, guys like me should be talking about this. If not me, who? If not here, where? If it's not talked about, then how do attitudes evolve and change? Do you not agree that attitudes should evolve and change? Why exactly am I supposed to be so ashamed of this? Why exactly do I have to stay in the closet so to speak? Because some people are idiots about it? To avoid hurting some precious lil feelers?
Buck up, troopers, and to turn the rhetoric around just because it amuses me, stop being snowflakes about this with your trigger words and micro-aggressions. It's no better than the wacky-pronoun gender-confused kids these days pitching fits about "whatever". Get over your preciousness.
Jeff: You're talking about cannabis as if it's some new miracle drug/cure all that everyone needs to get behind. It's not. So quit acting like you're performing some kind of public service by "spreading the gospel" and "changing attitudes." It has well-documented deleterious effects especially on brains of sub-adults. Having said all that, If you or anyone else wants to partake, that's none of my business and I won't criticize you for it. I've already said that more than once.
It's not about that and you know it. Just the same as if you went pronghorn hunting with your boyfriend and had your own brokeback mountain moment. It's none of my business and I don't give a rat's ass until you write about it on a public forum. When you do that you're inviting people to comment whether you like it or not, that's what public forums are for. So shove your "snowflake" up your ass, you're the one who can't take any criticism without acting like you're on some f*cking noble mission to enlighten us all.
You remind me of the group of gay rights activists who like to shove their own values and lifestyles in other people's faces. They say they like to do it to change people's attitudes too. Personally I think they're just attention whores. I could give one whit what anyone does in private, just like most others who really could care less. But I don't care to see two guys making out on the subway train (same as a hetero couple) and I sure as he** don't want to read about it here.
And if someone were to post such a tale here, I'd comment on it. I hope that's OK with you. Snowflake.
Any anyone that is using tobacco or alcohol and gets on Jeff-O's case is a hypocrite.
Bullsh**. If you read my posts, I said I don't have anything against alcohol, and if someone wants to smoke weed it's none of my business, and none of the federal government's business.
So I'm not getting on Jeff's case for any of that. I'm getting on his case for writing about it on a public hunting forum.
You are correct - I should have stated "... "gets on Jeff-O's case for using weed ...".
Touching base to say boy were Leroy & Jordan and others right, and boy was my "plan" wrong. Looked out there with my binocs this morning and it'd ALREADY slipped the horn it was hanging from! D'oh. Went out and retrieved the stinky [bleep] and will proceed more or less according to Mr. Beans' suggestions. Thanks again guys.
Tell me where we've heard this 100 times here before:
"hey guys, I'm thinking about doing X" 8 pages and campfire consensus: "you need to do Y" "hey guys, appreciate the advice but I'm going eschew the far more experienced and savvy here to do X"
Any anyone that is using tobacco or alcohol and gets on Jeff-O's case is a hypocrite.
Bullsh**. If you read my posts, I said I don't have anything against alcohol, and if someone wants to smoke weed it's none of my business, and none of the federal government's business.
So I'm not getting on Jeff's case for any of that. I'm getting on his case for writing about it on a public hunting forum.
You are correct - I should have stated "... "gets on Jeff-O's case for using weed ...".
Well, thanks. Maybe Jeff will read this and a light will go on.
Touching base to say boy were Leroy & Jordan and others right, and boy was my "plan" wrong. Looked out there with my binocs this morning and it'd ALREADY slipped the horn it was hanging from! D'oh. Went out and retrieved the stinky [bleep] and will proceed more or less according to Mr. Beans' suggestions. Thanks again guys.
Tell me where we've heard this 100 times here before:
"hey guys, I'm thinking about doing X" 8 pages and campfire consensus: "you need to do Y" "hey guys, appreciate the advice but I'm going eschew the far more experienced and savvy here to do X"
Some of my oldest and dearest friends from as far back as high school have been long term pot smokers. After long term use it definitely has affects on the users ability to reason and come to logical conclusions.
It is a syndrome I refer to as" being in their own head" they seem to have a hard time separating fiction from reality. They buy into wild conspiracy theories. They believe they are smarter and more enlightened, trust me they are not!
I have NEVER seen a person become smarter after smoking, quite the opposite actually.
This may explain a few things around here?
I too have some old friends that are long term stoners, and just like yours, my friends all have a similar "psychosis". A few current friends smoke weed regularly, but not heavily, as in not all day everyday, and they seem pretty well normal.
Kinda like the alcoholics I've known.
Jeff- the fact you didn't see that coming (your goat head falling out da tree), you may need to be more careful as not all start with an equal deck. Lol.
Jeff: you have a right to your opinion, and a right to free speech. Everyone knows that.
But why do you feel the need to "stick it to the man, if not me, then who?"'...etc.
This is a hunting and shooting forum. Not a political forum. This is not the right medium for you to accomplish your goal of convincing the world you are right and others are wrong. Go find a political forum.
Most come to 24CF to discuss and exchange ideas on hunting and shooting. There's enough to argue about in that arena without baiting with political ideas that you know will not be accepted.
I used to feel you were being mistreated. But now your just asking for it, and apparently enjoy it. Go away...
Just read it all. 13 pages of a normal, long term pothead's drivel....it's like watching a retard tread water...and ignore the life ring.
Gets stellar advice from some very tolerant, patient folks. Ignores advice and takes the easiest way out, but assures all he learned a lot and will be much better next time......it never is
I hung it where I can check with binocs from the house. If that happens I'll just have to beat the critters to it. Or not. At the end of the day it's just a dang dead ungulate skull, not like its grandma's ashes or something.
I really tried to stay out of this.
But you really are one dumbazz mofo.
Years worth of points for a tag. You shoot a buck you deem worthy. And then hang it up like that. Unreal.
I was thinking he was pretty dinky, but at camp other hunters kept saying he was a pretty good buck. Who knew?!
Sammo, my plan for mounting it is as follows: hang the head from a tree way out in my woods and let Sasquatch and bugs clean it up this winter. What could go wrong <grin>?
Just about everything. A better way (among many) is to simply put the head in a trash bag for a few days to let the horns loosen. Cut around the base to help them separate from the hide if necessary but they should slide off after a few days.
In the meantime, skin and deflesh the head as much as possible. Remove eyes, ears, tongue, and every scrape of meat that you can. Then put it in a bucket of water, put a lid on it, and forget about it for 1-4 months. Removed and power wash at the local carwash. You can resoak with some detergent to remove any oils from the bone but usually not necessary. Just dry and slide the horns back on - you may need some paper towels to help the bone spurs grip the horns properly.
Simple.
Welp.
Touching base to say boy were Leroy & Jordan and others right, and boy was my "plan" wrong.
Looked out there with my binocs this morning and it'd ALREADY slipped the horn it was hanging from! D'oh. Went out and retrieved the stinky [bleep] and will proceed more or less according to Mr. Beans' suggestions. Thanks again guys.
Please put some Borax in the horns. They will stink less. Keep them out of the sun too. 20 Mule Team will work fine.
Thanks. Will do.
The head-in-a-bag is having quite the little maggot party out there on the shop's back porch.
Some of y'all need to relax. May I suggest........... never mind.
Ooooh, "snowflake" has traction as a pejorative. This has potential!
If the shoe fits............... preciousness ain't confined to the Left......
Sammo don't you dare go near the stuff. It'll screw up your thought-process thingies. I forget what they are called. The brilliant and lucid minds of the Campfire say so, and they are always right about everything. Just ask 'em. BEWARE THE WEED!
I think you'll be ok with the whacking off. That's some tried-and-true All-American bidness, right there. Whack with impunity young man. Just not in the gun safe.
we show up with coolers full of ice, and empty coolers, hunting in Wyoming in October. Shoot our animals prone or off sticks and butcher right away. bring gloves, don't gut them, skin them head first to the butt and roll the hide off them with gloves on, then switch to a new gloves or bare hands to take the meat off the bones. we toss it on a tarp on a table for a few minutes to let it cool, then in a cooler with ice. the bucks can have a stinky hide and we don't want that getting on the meat. We have killed a pile of them since 2010. Our shots have been from 80 to 535 yards. Id say be ready in the 400 yard range. they often seem to run out a ways and stop and look back. fatal mistake typically if you can shoot into the 400 yard areas.
Everyone says keep the hair off the meat, and man did I try, but those belly hairs in particular made a monkey out of me. I was able to give the meat a good rinse back at camp, and there wasn't a LOT of hair on it. But it's like it was magnetically attracted to the meat and it'd break off then fly like little feathers in the breeze.
I'm already pitching my guys on a Wyoming trip with some of those B tags irfubar mentioned. And some longer range shooting from prone would, let's just say, make me happy.
Whatever Jeff. I do find it ironic that the one person most responsible for the sh**t-fest that is this thread would toss off a comment such as that.
As the campfire turns, indeed. Especially the threads you start and seem to enjoy nurturing to full-blown "as the campfire turns" epic status.
I think you are about as wrong as can be when you claim Jeff-O is responsible for what you call a "sh**t-fest". My own opinion is the people responding to his posts are more responsible.
The B tags are a Montana deer and elk thing, not a Wyoming antelope thing.
It is true that a guy can get several doe/fawn tags (they're generally referred to as type 6 or type 7 tags in Wyoming) but you have to be careful. Wyoming has some pretty confusing regs. Quite often the type 6 or 7 tags have restrictions like being limited to private land, within a certain drainage, between non-normal specific dates, etc. You can also get an extra either sex tag, but generally those tags are leftovers for the east side of the state where public land is much more limited.
I'll stay out of the poo flinging, and just offer that bit of info.
Whatever Jeff. I do find it ironic that the one person most responsible for the sh**t-fest that is this thread would toss off a comment such as that.
As the campfire turns, indeed. Especially the threads you start and seem to enjoy nurturing to full-blown "as the campfire turns" epic status.
I think you are about as wrong as can be when you claim Jeff-O is responsible for what you call a "sh**t-fest". My own opinion is the people responding to his posts are more responsible.
I do take perverse pleasure out of watching guys act stupid and am not opposed to enabling same. Word to the wise.
I'm sure you take perverse pleasure in many things. And I'm sure you enjoy whacking off because it's having sex with the person you love more than anyone else.
I do take perverse pleasure out of watching guys act stupid and am not opposed to enabling same. Word to the wise.
So you spend a lot of time staring at yourself in the mirror then?? Still cant believe you blew 3 grand on a rifle and cant afford a $600 shoulder mount... What's even funnier I you practice and practice shooting long range like you are the reincarnation of Carlos Hathcock and you end up shooting that antelope at 200 yds. Just to let you know you could of did that with a ruger American chambered in a 30-06..
Whatever Jeff. I do find it ironic that the one person most responsible for the sh**t-fest that is this thread would toss off a comment such as that.
As the campfire turns, indeed. Especially the threads you start and seem to enjoy nurturing to full-blown "as the campfire turns" epic status.
I think you are about as wrong as can be when you claim Jeff-O is responsible for what you call a "sh**t-fest". My own opinion is the people responding to his posts are more responsible.
You still pissed at people for busting your balls for shooting a 280 cartrdige in your 338. Gees time to let it go..
Whatever Jeff. I do find it ironic that the one person most responsible for the sh**t-fest that is this thread would toss off a comment such as that.
As the campfire turns, indeed. Especially the threads you start and seem to enjoy nurturing to full-blown "as the campfire turns" epic status.
I think you are about as wrong as can be when you claim Jeff-O is responsible for what you call a "sh**t-fest". My own opinion is the people responding to his posts are more responsible.
You still pissed at people for busting your balls for shooting a 280 cartrdige in your 338. Gees time to let it go..
You brought that up, not me. I made a mistake in the dark but no one got hurt and the elk died moments later when I used my buddy's rifle to put a 7mm 160g Grand Slam into it at 411 lasered yards. Four steps and down. While I intend to check more carefully in the future, the incident seems to bother some folks far more than it bothers me.
By the way, it is spelled "cartridge" not "cartrdige". We all make mistakes.
Whatever Jeff. I do find it ironic that the one person most responsible for the sh**t-fest that is this thread would toss off a comment such as that.
As the campfire turns, indeed. Especially the threads you start and seem to enjoy nurturing to full-blown "as the campfire turns" epic status.
I think you are about as wrong as can be when you claim Jeff-O is responsible for what you call a "sh**t-fest". My own opinion is the people responding to his posts are more responsible.
You still pissed at people for busting your balls for shooting a 280 cartrdige in your 338. Gees time to let it go..
You brought that up, not me. I made a mistake in the dark but no one got hurt and the elk died moments later when I used my buddy's rifle to put a 7mm 160g Grand Slam into it at 411 lasered yards. Four steps and down. While I intend to check more carefully in the future, the incident seems to bother some folks far more than it bothers me.
By the way, it is spelled "cartridge" not "cartrdige". We all make mistakes.
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It was a small 6x5 but made excellent table fare.
You are one angry fella... thanks for pointing out the misspelled word.. I was typing that on my iPad... maybe you and ol Jeffry poo can link up in Wyoming and shoot some antelope..
You are one angry fella... thanks for pointing out the misspelled word.. I was typing that on my iPad... maybe you and ol Jeffry poo can link up in Wyoming and shoot some antelope..
I'm not angry - not time to waste on such. Just pointing out that everyone makes mistakes.
And I'd probably enjoy Jeff-O's company more than that of some here.
If Jeff is being trashed for shooting a piss head, or dink, or whatever, then he should take some comfort from this often shared photo.
We found elk on public land and I took the only bull in the herd. Both are more than most people did.
If it was to do over the only thing I would do different is shoot the cow that popped over the ridge while I was dismembering the bull. We didn't have freezer space but Denver Rescue Mission would have appreciated the donation.
If it was to do over the only thing I would do different is shoot the cow that popped over the ridge while I was dismembering the bull. We didn't have freezer space but Denver Rescue Mission would have appreciated the donation.
You and Jeffrey could create a vortex of retardation that could be unstoppable.
If it was to do over the only thing I would do different is shoot the cow that popped over the ridge while I was dismembering the bull. We didn't have freezer space but Denver Rescue Mission would have appreciated the donation.
You and Jeffrey could create a vortex of retardation that could be unstoppable.
You should thank sweet Lord Jesus in your bedtime prayers that you didn't jam a 280 shell into your 338 during a charge by one of those killer antelope. That might have been the end of it for you.
PS I highly recommend you get a will drafted before you head out into the sagebrush again. You never know when a set of prongs might catch up with you.
We didn't have freezer space but Denver Rescue Mission would have appreciated the donation.
They take donated game meat? Any special requirements?
Brilliant kill elk you don't need and give the meat to homeless people? really? wtf
Don't be a dick, they allocate cow tags in some units to reduce the numbers.
If you want to feed homeless people give them money out of your pay check. If a person wants to give game meat to a needy family fine, that is good thing. Two different things.
If you want to help homeless people, it's none of my business.
My point is killing game animals to feed homeless drug addicts and alcoholics makes no sense to me. If you want to help homeless people donate money to the rescue mission etc....
I was raised with the rule you kill it you eat it. Now that doesn't mean someone who dislikes game meat shouldn't hunt, but at least find a young family struggling to make ends meet and give them the meat.
To kill animals to feed druggies and alcoholics seems a waste of a precious animal?
Soup kitchens etc.... can fix them meals more appropriate to their circumstances.
The kill it and eat it rule does not apply to varmints obviously, unless you are starving or want to donate the meat to the homeless?
If you want to feed homeless people give them money out of your pay check. If a person wants to give game meat to a needy family fine, that is good thing. Two different things.
Are you saying that it would be better to give homeless people (i.e. homeless drug addicts and alcoholics) money rather than donate meat for a meal?
Are you saying that it would be better to give homeless people (i.e. homeless drug addicts and alcoholics) money rather than donate meat for a meal?
Not too sure I share that same train of thought.
agreed. Donating one's meat is a personal, spiritual and patriotic decision. I don't have extra cash, but I got a lot of meat. My meat doesn't discriminate. Addict, alcy or batshít crazy.......you can use my meat.
Mr. Fubar likes to get his nose up in everyone's bidness.
He raises a good point actually. At the bare minimum it's debatable. And it's a public forum, whether I agree with him or not. It was posted here so it's fair game. And some people deserve not only a nose in their business, but a foot in their ass.
One other point for irfubar, when non-hunters see hunters donating meat to feed the homeless it's a good thing, the kind of thing that can change people's attitudes for the better about hunters and hunting.
If you want to feed homeless people give them money out of your pay check. If a person wants to give game meat to a needy family fine, that is good thing. Two different things.
Are you saying that it would be better to give homeless people (i.e. homeless drug addicts and alcoholics) money rather than donate meat for a meal?
Not too sure I share that same train of thought.
No, I clarified my position, to be clear give the meat to needy family's, give money to the mission etc..... they can feed the homeless. Giving cash to homeless is foolish they will buy more drugs booze etc.....
By some of the responses here it appears in different regions an over population of game animals darn near puts them in the varmint category?
In my neighborhood we have fed most of our ungulates to the wolves. Deer and elk have become somewhat scarce.
I just killed a possum. Ears are still ringing, 16" .223 is pretty damn sharp. Yowsa.
I think rosco should name it.
I think irfubar should predict it's size, how I killed it, how much I respect it, and how that all reflects on my degenerate personality. .
Then he should eat it.
Mr. Beans should do a Euro mount.
Actually, they have rather striking skulls, unlike anything else in North America. But why shoot a 'possum?
In years past, for the chickens. We are taking a year off from livestock (and kids) so that's not why though. Don't like them around the house. They can live out in my woods, along with any other critter, with impunity, but start coming around the house and getting into it with Chloe (my dog) then it's game over.
Chloe may look like a muppet (damn you BMT) and be sweet beyond description but she has a cold, cold heart when it comes to the rodent kingdom. She is the boss of them. This possum didn't agree. Boom.
I'm gonna need irfubar to do his judgy-judgy thing to achieve enough motivation for hero pics, though. And if Deflave is gonna "mount" it, he'd better... har har..... get on it. And if smokepole is gonna fall off his prurient high horse (my God I'm punny this morning), he'd best get to smokin'.
Well CoyoteHunter, good for you, you can pat yourself on the back and impress your liberal friends with your compassion.
If you choose to assist drug addicts and alky's that is certainly your right.
I personally choose to support young working families whom are struggling in today's economy ( those who choose to help themselves and all)
I do question your willingness to use our game animals for your accolades. Maybe you should consider giving some of your paycheck to the mission?
Or better yet invite the homeless over for an elk steak dinner?
As usual Deflave is correct, the vortex of retardation , welcome
My wife and I have chosen to donate our time and money to many charities and other organizations we feel provide societal benefits over the years, not that that is any of your business. Denver Rescue Mission is just one and I have no regrets helping people down on their luck or needing help even if their problems are caused by self-destructive behavior.
We give to whom we choose and in the amounts we choose. Considering you have zero idea about either, your post is a study in stupidity.
You definitely have a severe case of holier-than-thou.
One other point for irfubar, when non-hunters see hunters donating meat to feed the homeless it's a good thing, the kind of thing that can change people's attitudes for the better about hunters and hunting.
I want to believe that this is true. It is a slippery slope. We here all know what goes into bringing wild game from the field to the table and most of us are respectful of that process and always trying to improve it. There is a lot of pitfalls involved when it comes to actually making it work successfully in practice. Seen it happen with other benefits for the needy as well.
Hey JeffO, you should donate the possum to the homeless!
After Deflave has had his way with it? That's just icky.
Beggars cant be choosy .During the great depression many rural family's ate possum stew. Nothing is to good for our homeless though. It is so cool of Coyote Hunter to invite them to dinner and support them.
I am sure he feels all warm and fuzzy doing so.
If you don't want to be judged don't put it on a public forum. Hell look how quick people are to judge me for my comments. You yourself pre-judged me and accused me of being a do nothing couch potato that didn't have a clue how to shoot a rifle.
It appears you do the same you accuse me of. oh the hypocrisy.
Matthew 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Hey JeffO, you should donate the possum to the homeless!
After Deflave has had his way with it? That's just icky.
Beggars cant be choosy .During the great depression many rural family's ate possum stew. Nothing is to good for our homeless though. It is so cool of Coyote Hunter to invite them to dinner and support them.
I am sure he feels all warm and fuzzy doing so.
If you don't want to be judged don't put it on a public forum. Hell look how quick people are to judge me for my comments. You yourself pre-judged me and accused me of being a do nothing couch potato that didn't have a clue how to shoot a rifle.
It appears you do the same you accuse me of. oh the hypocrisy.
As much fun as it has been matching wits with the vortex of retardation. I concede you win.
I am making a cardboard sign to hold while standing on the street corner . I want free game meat, how should I word it?
Have a deer to spare? god bless
Homeless vet have a possum to spare? god bless
Will work for elk. god bless
Or would I be better off showing up at CoyoteHunters home?
Denver rescue mission?
This is all new to me so some guidance would be appreciated. If this works and I get free game meat I can sell my guns and blow the money on hookers and cocaine. Woohoo
As much fun as it has been matching wits with the vortex of retardation. I concede you win.
I am making a cardboard sign to hold while standing on the street corner . I want free game meat, how should I word it?
This is all new to me so some guidance would be appreciated. If this works and I get free game meat I can sell my guns and blow the money on hookers and cocaine.
How about, "Give me your MEAT!" Try that, let us know how it goes. Maybe, if you get some generous givers of meat, you'll finally figure out the inner conflict that makes you so damn uptight.
Don't be dissing the working gals now. You'll have the rest of Montana all OVER you.
As much fun as it has been matching wits with the vortex of retardation. I concede you win.
I am making a cardboard sign to hold while standing on the street corner . I want free game meat, how should I word it?
This is all new to me so some guidance would be appreciated. If this works and I get free game meat I can sell my guns and blow the money on hookers and cocaine.
How about, "Give me your MEAT!" Try that, let us know how it goes. Maybe, if you get some generous givers of meat, you'll finally figure out the inner conflict that makes you so damn uptight.
Don't be dissing the working gals now. You'll have the rest of Montana all OVER you.
That may be the way its done in Oregon, that's not the way we roll in Montana
As far as working girls , T inman is the pimp here and I cant afford his girls! go to the basement and you will see the quality of his girls.
As much fun as it has been matching wits with the vortex of retardation. I concede you win.
I am making a cardboard sign to hold while standing on the street corner . I want free game meat, how should I word it?
Have a deer to spare? god bless
Homeless vet have a possum to spare? god bless
Will work for elk. god bless
Or would I be better off showing up at CoyoteHunters home?
Denver rescue mission?
This is all new to me so some guidance would be appreciated. If this works and I get free game meat I can sell my guns and blow the money on hookers and cocaine. Woohoo
I have the hookup. A gal here at work brings me jerky and sausage each year. She says her Dad gives it to her but she and her kids don't care much for it because it's ... you know ... wild. I wish I knew more like her.
At my old job certain non-hunters were always watching what I carried into the building and waiting for the hunters bounty.
In Saskatchewan hunters could donate their waterfowl to a local meat pantry. I think a nearby one was located in a COOP building. Drunk hunters staying at our motel would make a big waterfowl display on their tailgates in the parking lot mid-morning, let them bake in the sun, after they slept it off they would gut them and drive them to the meat exchange for drop-off. It always looked to me like there was more going into the freezers than being taken.
Remember the free cheese? At certain points they couldn't give it all away. I heard that the quality of the free cheese was top notch. That it was actually better than the good brand names sold in supermarkets, yet because it was free it got treated with suspect - like it was a government plot.
I'm always suspicious of the intermediaries in handouts. I don't trust government ones. I am far more favorable toward churches or, for example, Red Cross. Sounds like Coyote Hunter has a pretty good way of doing it. Probably gets quite a bit of it to recipients who would actually appreciate it.
As much fun as it has been matching wits with the vortex of retardation. I concede you win.
I am making a cardboard sign to hold while standing on the street corner . I want free game meat, how should I word it?
Have a deer to spare? god bless
Homeless vet have a possum to spare? god bless
Will work for elk. god bless
Or would I be better off showing up at CoyoteHunters home?
Denver rescue mission?
This is all new to me so some guidance would be appreciated. If this works and I get free game meat I can sell my guns and blow the money on hookers and cocaine. Woohoo
I have the hookup. A gal here at work brings me jerky and sausage each year. She says her Dad gives it to her but she and her kids don't care much for it because it's ... you know ... wild. I wish I knew more like her.
At my old job certain non-hunters were always watching what I carried into the building and waiting for the hunters bounty.
In Saskatchewan hunters could donate their waterfowl to a local meat pantry. I think a nearby one was located in a COOP building. Drunk hunters staying at our motel would make a big waterfowl display on their tailgates in the parking lot mid-morning, let them bake in the sun, after they slept it off they would gut them and drive them to the meat exchange for drop-off. It always looked to me like there was more going into the freezers than being taken.
Remember the free cheese? At certain points they couldn't give it all away. I heard that the quality of the free cheese was top notch. That it was actually better than the good brand names sold in supermarkets, yet because it was free it got treated with suspect - like it was a government plot.
I'm always suspicious of the intermediaries in handouts. I don't trust government ones. I am far more favorable toward churches or, for example, Red Cross. Sounds like Coyote Hunter has a pretty good way of doing it. Probably gets quite a bit of it to recipients who would actually appreciate it.
In college, in the 80's, a kid brought home a box of food from from some sort of food bank to our little hippie house. It had a brick of that government cheese in it- we called it Ronnie cheese, after the duffer-in-chief. It was waxy and insipid. Maybe they improved it since then.
Ate a lot of zucchini, apples, and other gleanings that fall. And pussy. Good times. Sigh. To be young.
If "we" really cared about substances that are being consumed in our society that are destroying "us" mentally and physically, from the kids on up, here's a hint. It rhymes with "booger". Nanny-staters like irfubar should be all over that crap. But that would be too logical.
I moved to Montana years ago as a young man with a wife and two young daughters. It was tough supporting a family on Montana wages, I was a hunting fool and kept the freezer stocked with game meat. Raised the kids on it. Store bought meat wasn't in the budget.
Had co-workers who would ask when I got an elk where was their meat. I would laugh and say when you help me pack it off of the mountain I will share it with you.
Never could find an elk next to the road as many seem to, so a pack was always involved.
Game then and now is a precious commodity.
Last year I hunted for twenty days, hiking 8-10 miles a day and never saw an elk. Found tracks the last few days of the season, put a small herd to bed in the north timber. Returned to the adjacent park at first light hoping to catch them out feeding, all I found was fresh wolf tracks.
We used to be able to buy over the counter whitetail doe tags as many as you wished in different counties. Now you have to draw a doe tag in certain units, other units allow no doe tags at all.
A good friend who grew up here killed a bull every year until the wolves arrived. He had a cow tag last year and could not fill it.
This being the campfire I am sure somebody will say you are a lousy hunter and blame the wolves? maybe but I used to be a "lucky " hunter before the wolves.
These experiences formed my opinions regarding the value of game meat.
If "we" really cared about substances that are being consumed in our society that are destroying "us" mentally and physically, from the kids on up, here's a hint. It rhymes with "booger". Nanny-staters like irfubar should be all over that crap. But that would be too logical.
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WTF are you talking about? booger? I am not even going to try and guess and play your retarded game.
As far as nanny-state , there you go projecting again. Your place of chosen residence defines nanny-state;
The vortex of retardation , you own it.
I am waiting for your sidekick CoyoteHunter to chime in , but he is probably to busy arguing with MuleDeer and schooling him on ballistics and reloading?
I moved to Montana years ago as a young man with a wife and two young daughters. It was tough supporting a family on Montana wages, I was a hunting fool and kept the freezer stocked with game meat. Raised the kids on it. Store bought meat wasn't in the budget.
Had co-workers who would ask when I got an elk where was their meat. I would laugh and say when you help me pack it off of the mountain I will share it with you.
Never could find an elk next to the road as many seem to, so a pack was always involved.
Game then and now is a precious commodity.
Last year I hunted for twenty days, hiking 8-10 miles a day and never saw an elk. Found tracks the last few days of the season, put a small herd to bed in the north timber. Returned to the adjacent park at first light hoping to catch them out feeding, all I found was fresh wolf tracks.
We used to be able to buy over the counter whitetail doe tags as many as you wished in different counties. Now you have to draw a doe tag in certain units, other units allow no doe tags at all.
A good friend who grew up here killed a bull every year until the wolves arrived. He had a cow tag last year and could not fill it.
This being the campfire I am sure somebody will say you are a lousy hunter and blame the wolves? maybe but I used to be a "lucky " hunter before the wolves.
These experiences formed my opinions regarding the value of game meat.
That's just karma for how you Montucky boys used to lord it over the rest of us. "Welcome to Oregon elk hunting".
But good job with the girls. That's locovore at its finest. I fed my girls a LOT of deer, elk, grouse, pheasant, turkey, and peacock. In fact for many years it was pretty much all the meat we ate. Don't even get me started on my views of the (lack of) ethics towards animals in factory-farm scenarios.
Rhymes with booger. C'mon, use your words. You can do this.
Your views towards towards drugs- at least from what I've seen, feel free to elucidate- are straight outta the nanny-state playbook. You want to tilt at the RIGHT windmill? Rhymes with booger.
As much fun as it has been matching wits with the vortex of retardation. I concede you win.
I am making a cardboard sign to hold while standing on the street corner . I want free game meat, how should I word it?
This is all new to me so some guidance would be appreciated. If this works and I get free game meat I can sell my guns and blow the money on hookers and cocaine.
How about, "Give me your MEAT!" Try that, let us know how it goes. Maybe, if you get some generous givers of meat, you'll finally figure out the inner conflict that makes you so damn uptight.
Don't be dissing the working gals now. You'll have the rest of Montana all OVER you.
That may be the way its done in Oregon, that's not the way we roll in Montana
As far as working girls , T inman is the pimp here and I cant afford his girls! go to the basement and you will see the quality of his girls.
My bitches are for everyone's enjoyment, not unlike slave's MOM.
Hopefully this won't set off Mr. "sanctity of the hunting forum". Personally, I think if young guys knew this was what bird hunting was like, we'd get more new hunters.
I think I'm a total [bleep] for posting that pic on this, a hunting forum, and I sincerely hope one or more of you sanctimonious know-it-alls will give me a talking-to. THIS IS YOUR TIME!
Like, totally. I get that man. I just hope you weren't permanently scarred by eating that insipid free cheese, what a total bummer! Stick it to the man!! Give me liberty or barring that, cheese!!
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Hopefully this won't set off Mr. "sanctity of the hunting forum".
No worries brah! If it sets him off I'll just like totally tell him to chill out and take a bong hit. That would be sooooo awesome!!!!
I'm saving my pennies for a griz hunt, and am possibly looking at Russia cause I'd like to bring a wife back too.
I'd make Gorbachev proud.
That, and I have a huge dong to pack along.
The Ruski ladies love it more than American chicks do. Even Slave's MOM, if one could believe that.
Dude, I'm diggin' the angle..... (The thought process, not your bent crank, you filthy animal.) Take some advice from the holy father..... Test drive a bunch..... Like a hundred. Do not let a bushy mustache be a deterrent.....that is why God invented Dollar Shave Club. Lastly, have Gorbi's birthmark tattooed on your dick...... Even the grizzly comes when Gorbachev calls.
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Really liking the 6.5 SAUM cartridge and I'd contest that it's "overgunned"..... but then some wanker would pull up old quotes of mine about the TSX overpenetrating..... grin....
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