Two Colorado cops violently arrested a 73-year-old woman who has dementia—then were caught on camera celebrating and laughing when they reviewed their horrific body-cam footage hours later at the police station.
The two officers have been identified as Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali of the Loveland Police Department. They arrested 73-year-old Karen Garner on June 26, 2020, after she left a Walmart with $13 of goods that she hadn’t paid for. Garner’s family says she forgot to pay because of her condition.
According to the Denver Post, Hopp found Garner walking home after Walmart staff had reported her. Body-cam footage released this month showed Hopp tackling the terrified woman to the ground when she refused to stop walking away from him, then handcuffing her and pushing her hard against his cruiser. A concerned citizen can be seen stopping by the side of the road to ask Hopp if so much force was necessary.
The cops fractured the woman’s arm and dislocated her shoulder during the arrest, her family has said, and it’s this horrific body-cam footage that the officers were caught on surveillance camera watching as Garner sat in a nearby cell for hours after her ordeal at the hands of the police.
“Ready for the pop?” Hopp said to Jalali and other officers while they gathered to watch the footage of the violent arrest. “What popped?” another officer asked. “I think it was her shoulder,” Hopp replied. These comments can be heard at 48:30 in the below video.
Hopp can be heard saying, “I can’t believe I threw a 73-year-old on the ground,” while Jalali comments: “It’s like live TV... Body-cams are my favorite thing to watch, I could watch livestream body-cams all day.” The third officer can be heard suggesting “The Body-Cam Show” as a title for a proposed television special, and says to Hopp, “Impressive, buddy.”
After releasing the video on YouTube, Garner’s attorney, Sarah Schielke, said in a statement, “This is utterly disgusting. These videos cannot be unseen or unheard. I am sorry to have to share them with the public. This will be traumatic and deeply upsetting for everyone to see.”
“But as it often goes with bad police departments, it seems this is the only way to make them change,” the attorney went on. “They have to be exposed. If I didn’t release this, the Loveland Police’s toxic culture of arrogance and entitlement, along with their horrific abuse of the vulnerable and powerless, would carry on, business as usual.”
Garner’s family filed a federal lawsuit against the police officers earlier in April. Schielke said Monday that two more officers have been added as defendants in the suit, alleging they knew that Garner was hurt but didn’t give her medical care for six hours while she was in custody.
The Loveland Police Department has placed Hopp on administrative leave and re-assigned Jalali to desk duties while an internal investigation continues. Garner’s attorney said that, to date, her client has received no apology from the officers, the police department, or the city.
The police department is yet to comment on the new video
This wouldn’t be a new story if she hadn’t stole and then refused to comply with the police when they asked her to stop.
I'm assuming you haven't seen the video, because if you have, you're as bad as the [bleep] who did this. You can see real fear in her eyes. She did absolutely nothing to deserve the treatment she got. Those cops are trash. If that had been my grandma or mother I'd most likely be in jail right now. It's the laughing about it afterward when they refused to get her medical care when they knew they seriously hurt her that really tops it off.
The cops I grew up with would have called the family and given her a ride home. You want to excuse that behavior, go ahead. Get your fun off hurting elderly women. Maybe there will be an opening for you in Loveland.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
How do you or they know she was walking home? Sounds like she left a Walmarts store with merchandise she did not pay for and was walking down the street. 73 years old. You would think two cops would be able to deal with the situation in a less confrontational manner. Sounds to me like she will have everything she needs the rest of her life.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
How do you or they know she was walking home? Sounds like she left a Walmarts store with merchandise she did not pay for and was walking down the street. 73 years old. You would think two cops would be able to deal with the situation in a less confrontational manner. Sounds to me like she will have everything she needs the rest of her life.
Did you watch the video? She left the items at walmart. There was no reason to treat her like a felony arrest. Grown ass men treating a 73 year old lady like that. I really question some people's raising that makes them think that's OK.
At least the officers made it home safe and sound at the end of their shift!!! That's what is most important and they get to brag to their spouses about all the justice they serve in a day while cleaning up America one frail elderly lady at a time. Truly pathetic.... those idiots should be reduced to cleaning the toilets in the cells with a tooth brush!
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
How do you or they know she was walking home? Sounds like she left a Walmarts store with merchandise she did not pay for and was walking down the street. 73 years old. You would think two cops would be able to deal with the situation in a less confrontational manner. Sounds to me like she will have everything she needs the rest of her life.
Did you watch the video? She left the items at walmart. There was no reason to treat her like a felony arrest. Grown ass men treating a 73 year old lady like that. I really question some people's raising that makes them think that's OK.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
So rewatching the video of it and laughing when they could hear her shoulder pop while she was in a cell with no medical care is OK? You don't have to be Andy Griffith to be a decent human being.
This wouldn’t be a new story if she hadn’t stole and then refused to comply with the police when they asked her to stop.
I'm assuming you haven't seen the video, because if you have, you're as bad as the [bleep] who did this. You can see real fear in her eyes. She did absolutely nothing to deserve the treatment she got. Those cops are trash. If that had been my grandma or mother I'd most likely be in jail right now. It's the laughing about it afterward when they refused to get her medical care when they knew they seriously hurt her that really tops it off.
The cops I grew up with would have called the family and given her a ride home. You want to excuse that behavior, go ahead. Get your fun off hurting elderly women. Maybe there will be an opening for you in Loveland.
+1
Sure appears the cop was on a bit of a power trip.
Must be pretty boring in Loveland to get that worked up.
I’d think the city will be writing a fat check - and the laughter at the body cam footage will probably add a zero to the settlement.
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
No matter, gender, color, profession. If you think this is bad, give it 5 more yrs, when absolutely nobody in their right mind would want to enter into the profession.
Then you'll have the avg tsa worker serving search warrants lol
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
Regardless of whether you think their behavior was just fine, I sincerely hope your grandmother, mother, wife, daughter, etc. is never treated like that, especially from those who are supposed to be here for us.
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
Somehow in their tight schedule they found time to watch the footage and joke about it though... Didn't look like they were too overwhelmed once they got the hardened criminal elderly lady off the streets...
A decent cop would have dropped $14 on the counter and been done. But hey, they are the elite power of the world and little old ladies are a menace to society.
A decent cop would have dropped $14 on the counter and been done. But hey, they are the elite power of the world and little old ladies are a menace to society.
No they wouldn't have even looked for her, and told wally world to get f'ed
Then she would have probably gotten ran over in traffic, and the evil coppers would still be to blame!
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
I’m sure that she did just want to go home.Then again anyone else getting caught committing a crime just wants to go home Vs. jail or a hassle with cops too. They’re was no way for the police to know that she had dementia and she did commit a crime. Granted a petty crime but I get why law enforcement gets tired of and doesn’t have all day to deal with people mostly committing minor crimes but that want to not comply and argue all day. They didn’t bodyslam her. She concealed property (a crime) they asked her to talk to them. She didn’t so they forcefully put her in cuffs as quickly and efficiently as possible with minimal force.
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
So rewatching the video of it and laughing when they could hear her shoulder pop while she was in a cell with no medical care is OK? You don't have to be Andy Griffith to be a decent human being.
You forgot. Some people have dementia. We should be happy her neck or skull wasnt busted and that she did even get medical care. Hey, they deserve a few laughs for what they have to put up with.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Did your Parents have any Children that weren't retarded ?
She didn’t so they forcefully put her in cuffs as quickly and efficiently as possible with minimal force.
Right, then once she was in cuffs and couldn't really go anywhere, they dislocated her shoulder. Those idiots deserve to be personally sued for their actions!
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
So rewatching the video of it and laughing when they could hear her shoulder pop while she was in a cell with no medical care is OK? You don't have to be Andy Griffith to be a decent human being.
You forgot. Some people have dementia. We should be happy her neck or skull wasnt busted and that she did even get medical care. Hey, they deserve a few laughs for what they have to put up with.
The police could very well have been a-holes if they laughed over it after the fact with full background of the woman and her injuries they are a-holes. Legally to me I don’t fault the cops for the arrest. She looks younger than 73 and doesn’t appear as an obvious dementia sufferer. If you’ve ever watched an episode of Cops back in the day. Most crimes are petty crimes and most don’t want to comply with basic reasonable police commands. The police don’t have all day to do dementia evaluations, PTSD evaluations, defiance disorder evaluations ect. She doesn’t appear to have an obvious cognitive problem and police don’t have all day or other practical ways to deal with people walking away when asked to stop that refuse to comply. IMO. Unfortunate for this particular woman.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
I’m sure that she did just want to go home.Then again anyone else getting caught committing a crime just wants to go home Vs. jail or a hassle with cops too. They’re was no way for the police to know that she had dementia and she did commit a crime. Granted a petty crime but I get why law enforcement gets tired of and doesn’t have all day to deal with people mostly committing minor crimes but that want to not comply and argue all day. They didn’t bodyslam her. She concealed property (a crime) they asked her to talk to them. She didn’t so they forcefully put her in cuffs as quickly and efficiently as possible with minimal force.
You know you're right, those two cops are probably some of the best Loveland Colo has to offer. They Will get fired but they will also get rehired up the road at ft Collins or Boulder or one of the other [bleep] infested Colo communities.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I have a little ADD and one night when I was very tired I needed gasoline for my pasture irrigation pump. This was several years ago when we were suffering severe drought and the pump needed to not stop. I went to the local Convenience Store and gassed up my cans and unintentionally drove off without paying. When I returned later the colored girl behind the camera told me I drove off without paying. I asked "did you call the law" and she replied "no I knew you would come back". That was all there was to it. There is such a thing as unintended taking without paying. Some cops just do not try the easy route first. I learned early on to try to handle interactions with the public as peaceful as possible and if you like to fight you will get enough of that anyway.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know this is the msm’s wet dream an older white woman to “prove to us all” that police are the devil and that all of us should be scared. Nobody would ever get arrested or it would take hours each call if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
I’d like to see more police act like peace officers and Mayberry. They don’t but I have had more good encounters than bad and not sure that I’d string these cops up. She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
How do you or they know she was walking home? Sounds like she left a Walmarts store with merchandise she did not pay for and was walking down the street. 73 years old. You would think two cops would be able to deal with the situation in a less confrontational manner. Sounds to me like she will have everything she needs the rest of her life.
She'd returned the merchandise and offered to pay.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know that nobody would ever get arrested if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
Okay, so a lady that isn't in her right mind needs to be treated the same as a criminal. I get it now. I can promise you that walmart has video if her is she has been a shoplifter on a regular basis. They also have people inside the store watching. The fact that they haven't released anything like that about her tells me this was most likely not a regular thing for her. Sometimes you post some decent thoughts on here but what you're going on about here is not the case.
I have a little ADD and one night when I was very tired I needed gasoline for my pasture irrigation pump. This was several years ago when we were suffering severe drought and the pump needed to not stop. I went to the local Convenience Store and gassed up my cans and unintentionally drove off without paying. When I returned later the colored girl behind the camera told me I drove off without paying. I asked "did you call the law" and she replied "no I knew you would come back". That was all there was to it. There is such a thing as unintended taking without paying. Some cops just do not try the easy route first. I learned early on to try to handle interactions with the public as peaceful as possible and if you like to fight you will get enough of that anyway.
Typical behavior for some departments. That's the kind they look for. There's no accountability, cover-ups and the bonding or city tax payers insurance covers legal fees and suits.
There's a case of a family who rented the town hall rec room for a little girl's birthday party. After the party, everyone goes home and the parents are cleaning. A roided officer of the law walks in and beats the father half to death in front of the little one for lasting memories of officer friendly. What happened aftermath? A small settlement and the serve and protector got a better paying job at a corporate security job in the same area.
I could speak to those in other dpts that have good people skills and offer to help folks who are in distress, but that can wait for the appropriate thread. The dirt bag that was hired in the video isn't the only one that needs to be held accountable. Somebody hired him and covered for him before, or he wouldnt be doing this to anyone, no less grandmother.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
So rewatching the video of it and laughing when they could hear her shoulder pop while she was in a cell with no medical care is OK? You don't have to be Andy Griffith to be a decent human being.
You forgot. Some people have dementia. We should be happy her neck or skull wasnt busted and that she did even get medical care. Hey, they deserve a few laughs for what they have to put up with.
The police could very well have been a-holes.
I'd say so.
Some seem to have dementia at times well before 73.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know that nobody would ever get arrested if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
Okay, so a lady that isn't in her right mind needs to be treated the same as a criminal. I get it now. I can promise you that walmart has video if her is she has been a shoplifter on a regular basis. They also have people inside the store watching. The fact that they haven't released anything like that about her tells me this was most likely not a regular thing for her. Sometimes you post some decent thoughts on here but what you're going on about here is not the case.
In retrospect no. Do the police responding have all of the backstory? They identified the correct person. She continued to not comply and walk away. In an ideal world they’d have all day to surround her, cut off her path home, call in a mental health expert and so on. In real life they deal with these calls all day and well over 9 out of 10 are someone not suffering from dementia and simply choosing to not listen. For that reason I cut the police some slack. If they spent all day with literally everyone and there family claiming mental or cognitive problems police would literally get nothing done.
If just viewing the bodycam footage I "might"would be willing to give reasonable doubt to what really happened, but after hearing about the laughing and mockery, no way. Thugs with badges are still thugs.
In truth the old lady is lucky she didn't get shot in the face, then the male cop could claim he didn't know he had a gun in his hand. He thought it was a flashlight or handcuffs or car keys hell maybe it was a chocolate doughnut.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know that nobody would ever get arrested if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
Okay, so a lady that isn't in her right mind needs to be treated the same as a criminal. I get it now. I can promise you that walmart has video if her is she has been a shoplifter on a regular basis. They also have people inside the store watching. The fact that they haven't released anything like that about her tells me this was most likely not a regular thing for her. Sometimes you post some decent thoughts on here but what you're going on about here is not the case.
In retrospect no. Do the police responding have all of the backstory? They identified the correct person. She continued to not comply and walk away. In an ideal world they’d have all day to surround her, cut off her path home, call in a mental health expert and so on. In real life they deal with these calls all day and well over 9 out of 10 are someone not suffering from dementia and simply choosing to not listen. For that reason I cut the police some slack. If they spent all day with literally everyone and there family claiming mental or cognitive problems police would literally get nothing done.
Well in my mind you've done a real job of defending slime. It's hard to not take on those traits yourself when you do so. By the way, these cops deserve no "slack".
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Many dementia patients are what are called "wanderers." My late wife had Alzheimer's dementia and she was a "wanderer." I could walk out of the room to go to the bathroom, come back in two or three minutes and she'd be gone. Scared the hell outta me a number of times. Run outside and that person has disappeared. You have no idea the intense fear that runs through your mind when that happens.
I would not be a bit surprised if that poor woman in Loveland was a "wanderer."
And people who have dementia are NOT rational. Your reality is NOT their reality. Logic is useless trying to deal with dementia patients.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know that nobody would ever get arrested if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
Okay, so a lady that isn't in her right mind needs to be treated the same as a criminal. I get it now. I can promise you that walmart has video if her is she has been a shoplifter on a regular basis. They also have people inside the store watching. The fact that they haven't released anything like that about her tells me this was most likely not a regular thing for her. Sometimes you post some decent thoughts on here but what you're going on about here is not the case.
In retrospect no. Do the police responding have all of the backstory? They identified the correct person. She continued to not comply and walk away. In an ideal world they’d have all day to surround her, cut off her path home, call in a mental health expert and so on. In real life they deal with these calls all day and well over 9 out of 10 are someone not suffering from dementia and simply choosing to not listen. For that reason I cut the police some slack. If they spent all day with literally everyone and there family claiming mental or cognitive problems police would literally get nothing done.
Well in my mind you've done a real job of defending slime. It's hard to not take on those traits yourself when you do so. By the way, these cops deserve no "slack".
The only thing those cops deserve is to be removed from polite society.
They didn't become this was overnight, so in addition, their supervisors and everyone one in their chain of command up to the Chief off Police needs to be permanently removed from law enforcement.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know that nobody would ever get arrested if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
Okay, so a lady that isn't in her right mind needs to be treated the same as a criminal. I get it now. I can promise you that walmart has video if her is she has been a shoplifter on a regular basis. They also have people inside the store watching. The fact that they haven't released anything like that about her tells me this was most likely not a regular thing for her. Sometimes you post some decent thoughts on here but what you're going on about here is not the case.
In retrospect no. Do the police responding have all of the backstory? They identified the correct person. She continued to not comply and walk away. In an ideal world they’d have all day to surround her, cut off her path home, call in a mental health expert and so on. In real life they deal with these calls all day and well over 9 out of 10 are someone not suffering from dementia and simply choosing to not listen. For that reason I cut the police some slack. If they spent all day with literally everyone and there family claiming mental or cognitive problems police would literally get nothing done.
Well in my mind you've done a real job of defending slime. It's hard to not take on those traits yourself when you do so. By the way, these cops deserve no "slack".
I agree with more of your post than disagree but we’ll have to disagree on this one.
If she in fact has dementia and it seems like she does but I don’t trust anything the msm says at face value. It absolutely could have been handled better but unfortunately police get put into a cookie cutter position where everyone and there family and the msm will claim dementia or any other host of problems. They don’t know that going in and from a practical standpoint when they ID the proper suspect and that person refuses to stop I can see how a bad situation like this happens.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Many dementia patients are what are called "wanderers." My late wife had Alzheimer's dementia and she was a "wanderer." I could walk out of the room to go to the bathroom, come back in two or three minutes and she'd be gone. Scared the hell outta me a number of times. Run outside and that person has disappeared. You have no idea the intense fear that runs through your mind when that happens.
I would not be a bit surprised if that poor woman in Loveland was a "wanderer."
And people who have dementia are NOT rational. Your reality is NOT their reality. Logic is useless trying to deal with dementia patients.
My opinion but it is based on experience.
L.W.
That's tough on anyone. Patient, family...
IMHO and my personal experiences when there's any conflict if any kind, there should be some ID of the non state issued kind . Just like any reasonable person would not do what was done by this guy. Many police would likely defend the woman if he did this in their presence. It doesn't get seen very often though. Sometimes those who have that job get defensive and take criticism of others personal so they get thrown into the same category.
If some lady is not obeying someone's commands, it seems these days like that justifies breaking bones when no force was justified. Being a person with a mental handicap or TBI in these times can be very dangerous for them. My empathy.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
I’m sure that she did just want to go home.Then again anyone else getting caught committing a crime just wants to go home Vs. jail or a hassle with cops too. They’re was no way for the police to know that she had dementia and she did commit a crime. Granted a petty crime but I get why law enforcement gets tired of and doesn’t have all day to deal with people mostly committing minor crimes but that want to not comply and argue all day. They didn’t bodyslam her. She concealed property (a crime) they asked her to talk to them. She didn’t so they forcefully put her in cuffs as quickly and efficiently as possible with minimal force.
She did not have the stuff. She gave the stuff back to the security at walmart and they let her leave. She was walking home, on the street. What possible reason do you have for the dickhead officer using leverage on her arm until it breaks and her shoulder is dislocated.... I think you have a lot of talking to do before you convince a normal person that this should be acceptable or understandable.
Yea...they did a great job serving and protecting didn't they. Makes me sick...we are surrounded by criminal enemies. Some wear a badge...some wear basketball shoes
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
So rewatching the video of it and laughing when they could hear her shoulder pop while she was in a cell with no medical care is OK? You don't have to be Andy Griffith to be a decent human being.
You forgot. Some people have dementia. We should be happy her neck or skull wasnt busted and that she did even get medical care. Hey, they deserve a few laughs for what they have to put up with.
The police could very well have been a-holes if they laughed over it after the fact with full background of the woman and her injuries they are a-holes. Legally to me I don’t fault the cops for the arrest. She looks younger than 73 and doesn’t appear as an obvious dementia sufferer. If you’ve ever watched an episode of Cops back in the day. Most crimes are petty crimes and most don’t want to comply with basic reasonable police commands. The police don’t have all day to do dementia evaluations, PTSD evaluations, defiance disorder evaluations ect. She doesn’t appear to have an obvious cognitive problem and police don’t have all day or other practical ways to deal with people walking away when asked to stop that refuse to comply. IMO. Unfortunate for this particular woman.
They dont have all day....? They damn well better find the time! You think this is acceptable for an armed force to be out on the streets acting like this with civilians? It isnt right.... and at least one of them should be charged, jailed and fired.
Thank God the cops in Caldwell Id are not so vicious.
My wife's Mom was in an Alzheimers ward for about five years before she passed. But she was cunning enough to escape several times. She would hang out near the door and dash out as someone entered. Until we moved her to a facility with a "sally port".
One time she found a piece of sharp steel lying along the road and used it to fend off her caregivers as they tried to coax her back to the facility. Another time it was a fist sized river rock.
As facility staff are not allowed to "man handle" a patient, nor can they physically force a patient back into the facility, they had to call City Police each time.
Wonder of wonders, the cops managed to get this five foot six 110 lb 79 year old woman back under lock and key, not only without broken bones, but also with no visible bruising.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
I’m sure that she did just want to go home.Then again anyone else getting caught committing a crime just wants to go home Vs. jail or a hassle with cops too. They’re was no way for the police to know that she had dementia and she did commit a crime. Granted a petty crime but I get why law enforcement gets tired of and doesn’t have all day to deal with people mostly committing minor crimes but that want to not comply and argue all day. They didn’t bodyslam her. She concealed property (a crime) they asked her to talk to them. She didn’t so they forcefully put her in cuffs as quickly and efficiently as possible with minimal force.
She did not have the stuff. She gave the stuff back to the security at walmart and they let her leave. She was walking home, on the street. What possible reason do you have for the dickhead officer using leverage on her arm until it breaks and her shoulder is dislocated.... I think you have a lot of talking to do before you convince a normal person that this should be acceptable or understandable.
As I understand it. She did conceal the property which is a crime. Walmart let her go but that wasn’t relayed to the police. I didn’t see anything in the arrest that I would suspect to cause that level of injuries. She IMO didn’t look particularly elderly and I didn’t see extreme force in getting her in cuffs to comply.
It sucks but she committed a crime and refused to comply with something as basic as stop or turn around and comply with police. Which may have been because of the dementia but there was no way for police on the fly to know that.
I see this whole thing as the msm turning there sites on “lil ol grandma to rile up whites just like they have blacks.” I’m not arguing that it couldn’t have been handled better but in real time she was another petty criminal that didn’t want to comply. I didn’t see police using extreme force.
I guess her family should just be happy they didn't shoot her.
"Is the blood yours or hers?". Asks ocifer Dunkin.
"Yeah, it's her blood." Replies ocifer Friendly
You could see ocifer Friendly was really getting into the enjoyment of the adrenaline rush as he leveraged her elbow repeatedly up toward her head while cuffed. He probably"feared for his life."
No fire, no discipline of ocifer friendly.....just an ol pat on the back and probably some beers with the guys before driving back to shelas cat house.
PS If you guys didn't see this video, note the ending.
Just for the record she walked out with $13.00 worth of stuff. She was then confronted by an employee and he acted like a prick. She tried paying after this but he wouldn't let her. Then the cavalry shows up to set her straight. Then these "public servants" laugh about hurting her. Some of you people are either stupid or sick if you think she deserved this. When the civil war breaks out I hope we get to hear you talk like this.
I haven’t kept up on all of it. There’s no excuse for laughing after the facts came out. As far as offering to pay after concealing with attempt to steal that is a crime, if it weren’t all shoplifters would attempt to steal and then offer to pay if caught. Was she a model citizen grandmother with dementia as portrayed by the msm or a career shoplifter with moderate dementia? IDK. I do know that nobody would ever get arrested if police let everyone claiming a cognitive problem just walk away.
She was called into police. They identified her asked her to stop and talk to them. She didn’t so they put her in cuffs and didn’t get nuts with brutality doing it IMO.
Okay, so a lady that isn't in her right mind needs to be treated the same as a criminal. I get it now. I can promise you that walmart has video if her is she has been a shoplifter on a regular basis. They also have people inside the store watching. The fact that they haven't released anything like that about her tells me this was most likely not a regular thing for her. Sometimes you post some decent thoughts on here but what you're going on about here is not the case.
In retrospect no. Do the police responding have all of the backstory? They identified the correct person. She continued to not comply and walk away. In an ideal world they’d have all day to surround her, cut off her path home, call in a mental health expert and so on. In real life they deal with these calls all day and well over 9 out of 10 are someone not suffering from dementia and simply choosing to not listen. For that reason I cut the police some slack. If they spent all day with literally everyone and there family claiming mental or cognitive problems police would literally get nothing done.
The ones around here spend most of their day sittin on their fat asses in their cruisers suckin down donuts.
He should be hanged from a lamp pole as a warning to his buddies
If her kin decided to administer some old fashioned country justice I wouldn't vote to convict if I were on their jury.
Originally Posted by MidBore338
Nor would I
I was thinking similar.
I hope she has family, big, ugly, mean, Biker mean, that takes the time to visit Officer Friendly and beat the living schit out of him and then some. Twice.
Thank God the cops in Caldwell Id are not so vicious.
My wife's Mom was in an Alzheimers ward for about five years before she passed. But she was cunning enough to escape several times. She would hang out near the door and dash out as someone entered. Until we moved her to a facility with a "sally port".
One time she found a piece of sharp steel lying along the road and used it to fend off her caregivers as they tried to coax her back to the facility. Another time it was a fist sized river rock.
As facility staff are not allowed to "man handle" a patient, nor can they physically force a patient back into the facility, they had to call City Police each time.
Wonder of wonders, the cops managed to get this five foot six 110 lb 79 year old woman back under lock and key, not only without broken bones, but also with no visible bruising.
From what I have seen, some up close and personal, cops here in SW Idaho, especially small town cops are a completely different critter than in the larger metro areas
Did you catch the part where they are debating whether or not to charge her for a felony too? How about when the female cop is saying, "this is my favorite part" while reviewing the videos? Or how they are debating if this will get reviewed by internal affairs for use of force and decide it will be, but then when the family lawyer is bringing it to their attention, the police department is like, Golly Gee, this is the first time we heard anything about it.
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
What exactly is it you think cops have to do all day that they don't have time to safely handle an infirm old woman? This report literally shows they have nothing better to do than hang out laughing at video of themselves in little old lady abuse porn. You're paying for this. And you pay for settlements every time they go too far getting their kicks.
Does it not occur to you that just by poor luck you could lose your senses and end up in the same he'll as that poor lady? They'll do it to her. They'll do it to you. They'll even do it to each other. Cops treat US citizens worse than we treat prisoners of war.
Asking for the job to be done without torture isn't much. And we do pay for it.
More POS pigs doing what they do best. The one who busted her up should have to stand by while this woman's family stomps a mudhole in his mama's ass and films it for their entertainment.
Loveland Colorado used to be a nice place. Famous for the unique postmark used on Valentine's Day. This isn't an isolated incident. Watching those three yucking it up shows me they are accustomed to being abusive and getting away with it.
This is the same police department that roughed up a good samaritan and dislocated his shoulder too. He stopped to help someone who skidded and dumped their bike. Didn't know the circumstances, knew his Constitutional Rights, and refused interrogation.
An excessive force lawsuit filed against the Loveland Police Department has been settled for nearly $300,000.
Loveland resident Pretson Sowl filed the lawsuit against the city of Loveland, Loveland Police Department and Loveland police officers Paul Ashe and Benjamin DeLima, Det. Clint Schnorr and Sgt. Brian Bartnes.
The lawsuit alleged officers violated Sowl's constitutional rights when they arrested him for refusing to answer questions as a witness about a motorcycle crash outside a Loveland bar Sept. 22, 2019.
Ashe detained Sowl for not answering his questions, twisting his arm behind his back and pushing his face into the ground. Sowl said he needed shoulder replacement surgery after the incident, according to the lawsuit.
Sowl's arrest was captured on body camera footage. At one point in the interaction, Sowl can be heard telling Ashe, "I don't know what happened. I'm not talking to nobody."
4 Loveland Police officers on administrative leave in connection to Karen Garner arrest
The LPD officers on administrative leave include:
Officer Austin Hopp Officer Daria Jalali Sgt. Phil Metzler Community service officer Tyler Blackett
Schielke alleges the video shows the three arresting officers watching body camera video of Garner's arrest, laughing and celebrating the excessive force, and fist-bumping the fact that one of the officers intimidated a citizen who stopped to make a complaint.
Tom Hacker with the City of Loveland said officer Blackett was at the booking location where Garner was transported after her arrest and also engaged in the transfer of Garner to the Larimer County Jail.
"It's a really important thing for everyone to know that this is now a criminal investigation," said Hacker. "It's one that LPD asked for and the DA is taking it on Ft. Collins Police, both working on this [investigation] and we hope that this investigation goes as expeditiously as possible and that we learn of the outcome very soon."
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
What exactly is it you think cops have to do all day that they don't have time to safely handle an infirm old woman? This report literally shows they have nothing better to do than hang out laughing at video of themselves in little old lady abuse porn. You're paying for this. And you pay for settlements every time they go too far getting their kicks.
Does it not occur to you that just by poor luck you could lose your senses and end up in the same he'll as that poor lady? They'll do it to her. They'll do it to you. They'll even do it to each other. Cops treat US citizens worse than we treat prisoners of war.
Asking for the job to be done without torture isn't much. And we do pay for it.
And incidents like this consume a hell of a lot more time than trying for a few minutes to sweet talk an elderly woman. Them laughing at the tape tells me all I need to know. Disgusting pieces of schidt.
I didn’t see anything overly aggressive there. The woman looks much younger than 73 and doesn’t act as someone with dementia. In a perfect world the cops would all act like Andy Griffith but in the real world they’re busy and get tired of people guilty as sin playing dumb and not complying day after day.
Based on some of the reactions I was expecting to see the police body slam a clearly confused and old as dirt woman to the ground. That doesn’t seem to be the case.
Are you being serious??? She had a confused look on her face when the moron approached her and ALL she ever said was she was going home.... She wasn't confrontational or argumentative, she just wanted to go home.... In turn, the cop just couldn't handle her defiance and got her to the ground, cuffed her and THEN dislocated her shoulder. If she was a whacko with hostages they would try to talk her out of it, but $14.00 worth of stuff she left at the store and she gets attacked and thrown in a cell for 6 hours with no medical attention. GMAFB!!!!
I’m sure that she did just want to go home.Then again anyone else getting caught committing a crime just wants to go home Vs. jail or a hassle with cops too. They’re was no way for the police to know that she had dementia and she did commit a crime. Granted a petty crime but I get why law enforcement gets tired of and doesn’t have all day to deal with people mostly committing minor crimes but that want to not comply and argue all day. They didn’t bodyslam her. She concealed property (a crime) they asked her to talk to them. She didn’t so they forcefully put her in cuffs as quickly and efficiently as possible with minimal force.
She did not have the stuff. She gave the stuff back to the security at walmart and they let her leave. She was walking home, on the street. What possible reason do you have for the dickhead officer using leverage on her arm until it breaks and her shoulder is dislocated.... I think you have a lot of talking to do before you convince a normal person that this should be acceptable or understandable.
As I understand it. She did conceal the property which is a crime. Walmart let her go but that wasn’t relayed to the police. I didn’t see anything in the arrest that I would suspect to cause that level of injuries. She IMO didn’t look particularly elderly and I didn’t see extreme force in getting her in cuffs to comply.
It sucks but she committed a crime and refused to comply with something as basic as stop or turn around and comply with police. Which may have been because of the dementia but there was no way for police on the fly to know that.
I see this whole thing as the msm turning there sites on “lil ol grandma to rile up whites just like they have blacks.” I’m not arguing that it couldn’t have been handled better but in real time she was another petty criminal that didn’t want to comply. I didn’t see police using extreme force.
A broken arm and a dislocated shoulder on a 73 year old petite woman by police isn't using extreme force in your opinion? What's wrong with you?
90% make it less than 5 years in real LE and, unfortunately, most of those that are good at what they do move on to positions where they don't deal with the "general" public in random situations every day.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
According to lemming you deserve your ass kicked for concealing the merchandise and probably a couple extra kicks for accidentally walking out with it.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Many dementia patients are what are called "wanderers." My late wife had Alzheimer's dementia and she was a "wanderer." I could walk out of the room to go to the bathroom, come back in two or three minutes and she'd be gone. Scared the hell outta me a number of times. Run outside and that person has disappeared. You have no idea the intense fear that runs through your mind when that happens.
I would not be a bit surprised if that poor woman in Loveland was a "wanderer."
And people who have dementia are NOT rational. Your reality is NOT their reality. Logic is useless trying to deal with dementia patients.
My opinion but it is based on experience.
L.W.
This is quite true.
I’m kinda shocked Walmart security didn’t handle it. Oh wait, they’re too qualified.
The laughing tells me all I need to know. It can be difficult to handle resistant smaller people and elderly with just the right amount of force. When I first read of this, I thought that might be the case. Seeing the video of the arrest, that was one dumb SOB if he couldn't tell he was forcing her shoulder into a grossly unnatural position. The laugh certainly sealed the deal. He has no business being a cop.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
I did it. A few years ago during one of the WalMart gun closeout sales. I had gone to WM to use the bathroom and buy some work supplies. As I walked past the gun counter, I saw the crazy prices. I couldn't buy because I was "on duty" and using a government vehicle. I called my best bud to tell him. I walked right past the garden center register with paint pens, sharpies and binders as I was talking to him. When I got to the car I looked at the unbagged items in my hand and had an oh schidt moment. I rushed back in to pay for them.
My wife got a letter from Kwik Trip the other day.
She usually pays at the pump, but this time she went inside to pay for her gas and purchase some other items. She forgot to pay for the fuel.
The letter was very polite, reminded her that she “forgot” to pay or her gasoline purchase, and “asked” if she wanted to take care of it over the phone or return to the store to pay.
Paul has rendered a verdict. This is all one needs to know.
You would make a good cop. The inflexibility of your mindset and relentlessly staunch defense of cops, irrespective of their mistakes, would find you right at home in the LE profession.
Paul has rendered a verdict. This is all one needs to know.
You would make a good cop. The inflexibility of your mindset and relentlessly staunch defense of cops, irrespective of their mistakes, would find you right at home in the LE profession.
Paul has rendered a verdict. This is all one needs to know.
You would make a good cop. The inflexibility of your mindset and relentlessly staunch defense of cops, irrespective of their mistakes, would find you right at home in the LE profession.
My wife got a letter from Kwik Trip the other day.
She usually pays at the pump, but this time she went inside to pay for her gas and purchase some other items. She forgot to pay for the fuel.
The letter was very polite, reminded her that she “forgot” to pay or her gasoline purchase, and “asked” if she wanted to take care of it over the phone or return to the store to pay.
Flail your arms and tell everybody how Jewish you are?
LOL
Naww. Just to keep the good folks here mindful of your being a drunkard, hiding behind walls, wearing a diaper on your face and playing with sock puppets.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
Have any of you people not worked with idiots that you wonder how they got hired or stay employed? Law enforcement is no different than daycare workers, teachers, doctors, lawyers.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
It’s no big deal.
You were too drunk to remember, evidently.
Alcoholism is a disease.
Just like dementia.
Like I said, it’s no big deal.
Alcoholism is only a indication and manifestation of deeper weaknesses in character . Dementia is not as it is a true disease.
Alcoholism was labeled as a “disease” so that insurance would pay for it.
Sounds like your Step 13 is working well. It’s easy to see how you’re able to rationalize it as no big deal.
"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.” ― Thomas Jefferson, Memoirs,
The brain is our most complex organ. Dementia--even the same types of dementia--can present differently in different people. A dementia patient can certainly forget to pay for items at a store but still walk home in early stages. Hell, you can have dementia and be installed as president. If she's been formally diagnosed, she won't be culpable. Regardless, no excuse to handle a 73 year-old woman in this manner.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
It’s no big deal.
You were too drunk to remember, evidently.
Alcoholism is a disease.
Just like dementia.
Like I said, it’s no big deal.
Alcoholism is only a indication and manifestation of deeper weaknesses in character . Dementia is not as it is a true disease.
Alcoholism was labeled as a “disease” so that insurance would pay for it.
Sounds like your Step 13 is working well. It’s easy to see how you’re able to rationalize it as no big deal.
Flail your arms and tell everybody how Jewish you are?
LOL
Naww. Just to keep the good folks here mindful of your being a drunkard, hiding behind walls, wearing a diaper on your face and playing with sock puppets.
Ideally, the woman's family members should wait for the appropriate opportunity then work over Fat Boy's elbows with a Louisville Slugger. His female accomplice deserves the same. These are not bad cops; they are bad people. GD
90% make it less than 5 years in real LE and, unfortunately, most of those that are good at what they do move on to positions where they don't deal with the "general" public in random situations every day.
That statistic sounds reasonable, understandable and a shame as well. I think there are hundreds of police officers doing a good job everyday while a few overshadow the good by their stupidity and power trips. What I don't understand is why, from my personal perception, otherwise good cops seem to defend the actions of those few while not really promoting the good of the hundreds. Not saying you personally but even on this forum all you have to do is read what is written. I get it - "you have to walk in their shoes to understand" - but that is just an old tired saying by now. I support you guys but "don't leave me hanging bro." 😁
90% make it less than 5 years in real LE and, unfortunately, most of those that are good at what they do move on to positions where they don't deal with the "general" public in random situations every day.
That statistic sounds reasonable, understandable and a shame as well. I think there are hundreds of police officers doing a good job everyday while a few overshadow the good by their stupidity and power trips. What I don't understand is why, from my personal perception, otherwise good cops seem to defend the actions of those few while not really promoting the good of the hundreds. Not saying you personally but even on this forum all you have to do is read what is written. I get it - "you have to walk in their shoes to understand" - but that is just an old tired saying by now. I support you guys but "don't leave me hanging bro." 😁
Or you can formally complain on azzholes doing s hit that is illegal, far more violent and over the line than this situation....and nothing is done. But yet somehow you're now a snitch in your coworkers eyes, and still a pos to the public.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
Paul has rendered a verdict. This is all one needs to know.
You would make a good cop. The inflexibility of your mindset and relentlessly staunch defense of cops, irrespective of their mistakes, would find you right at home in the LE profession.
You would make a good guest on The View.
Every day.
lololololol. That right there was truly funny. I laughed so hard I scared my dog.
I am a supporter of the guys in blue. I can't support Hopp at all. I believe the others just went along with Hopp. He needs to be fired immediately. So when do we burn down the city?? Oh that's right, we are not in it for money. We will let the justice system play out.
90% make it less than 5 years in real LE and, unfortunately, most of those that are good at what they do move on to positions where they don't deal with the "general" public in random situations every day.
That statistic sounds reasonable, understandable and a shame as well. I think there are hundreds of police officers doing a good job everyday while a few overshadow the good by their stupidity and power trips. What I don't understand is why, from my personal perception, otherwise good cops seem to defend the actions of those few while not really promoting the good of the hundreds. Not saying you personally but even on this forum all you have to do is read what is written. I get it - "you have to walk in their shoes to understand" - but that is just an old tired saying by now. I support you guys but "don't leave me hanging bro." 😁
Or you can formally complain on azzholes doing s hit that is illegal, far more violent and over the line than this situation....and nothing is done. But yet somehow you're now a snitch in your coworkers eyes, and still a pos to the public.
Its a lose/lose.
Good times!
To be honest, you were one of those that I had in mind about defending the few. Before you get all pizzed at me hear me out. While never being in your shoes, I have been part of many tight knit teams that counted on each other. I understand what happens in the (fill in the blank) stays there mentality. In this specific case most likely all of these cops on admin leave are not really rogue. They got caught up in a bad situation "possibly" brought on by one or two. At the end of the day, by not standing up "snitching" for what is right, they are off the job - maybe even lose the job. Don't know about you, but my family comes first. I did not nor would not jeopardize my families livelihood and financial stability just because of some stupidity on the part of a teammate. Do it right or move on. Just an opinion and not really meant to be a personal shot at you.
If those cops lose their jobs, would you hire them? I wouldn't. Many employers will do a Google and Facebook search on applicants. Many will do a complete background check too. I don't feel badly for these bad cops and the trouble they will face trying to get hired in any capacity elsewhere, and certainly no position with authority.
They knew the camera was rolling in their precinct and were laughing about it anyway. It wasn't an undercover sting operation with conversations taken out of context. When this occurred, it was just a couple of weeks after the Minneapolis incident.
Well gee if the old lady had dementia why was she out in public alone anyway? These kinds of things usually accomplish at least one good thing, jackass cops being fired.
A kid grew up just down the road from me. His folks were great people. He was not. After he gets grown up he decides to be a cop and applied to the adjoining county for a deputy job. He got hired. My best friend had been a deputy there for 30 years. He was telling this dude got hired and wanted to know if I knew him. To make this story short this young guy threatened to kill his parents when they asked him to move out, he was in his early 20s then. I told my friend about this and even told him others that heard the same threat as I did, he made it in public. The sheriff kept him on despite finding this out. Is that good? I think not.
Then another neighbor kid applied for the Springfield, Mo. police dept. The dept. sent a private investigator here, 4 1/2 hour drive away to ask his neighbors about him. I was one of them he spoke with. I had nothing but high praises for this young man. Everyone around here did as he was a fine person. They earned my respect for vetting this guy the way they did. The other sheriff in the other hiring did not.
Flail your arms and tell everybody how Jewish you are?
LOL
Naww. Just to keep the good folks here mindful of your being a drunkard, hiding behind walls, wearing a diaper on your face and playing with sock puppets.
Some here don't seem to be familiar with "early onset dementia". It's not always 80 year olds. Am I the only one who sees the irony in the name of the city LOVEland?
Didn't read all the "funny" comments, but my 84 year old mother has dementia and if I saw 2 cops doing that to her for any god damn reason they would be missing some teeth and I'd be in jail.............or shot.... [bleep]!!!!!!!
Flail your arms and tell everybody how Jewish you are?
LOL
Naww. Just to keep the good folks here mindful of your being a drunkard, hiding behind walls, wearing a diaper on your face and playing with sock puppets.
That is all.
Once more for you, Flave.
Are you flailing your arms?
Nahh. Just pecking on a keyboard, Bro.
All is well, fixing to head down to the fishing camp I recently bought. Gonna do a little mowing and trimming and work on the boat house.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
It’s no big deal.
You were too drunk to remember, evidently.
Alcoholism is a disease.
Just like dementia.
Like I said, it’s no big deal.
Alcoholism is only a indication and manifestation of deeper weaknesses in character . Dementia is not as it is a true disease.
Alcoholism was labeled as a “disease” so that insurance would pay for it.
Sounds like your Step 13 is working well. It’s easy to see how you’re able to rationalize it as no big deal.
Who allowed a 73 year old woman with dementia to walk down the street and to go into WalMart by herself? Isn't her loving family responsible for her?
As already pointed out several times, there are different stages of dementia, the initial diagnosis is not automatically an institutionalizing event.
In case you haven’t been paying tension, your President has dementia and he holds our Nuclear Codes.
The fact the she may have dementia is totally irrelevant to what these cops did and their attitude towards we “civilians “. Dementia just adds more discussed and sustain for cops.
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes I walk out of places with other people’s schit all the time.
It’s no big deal.
You were too drunk to remember, evidently.
Alcoholism is a disease.
Just like dementia.
Like I said, it’s no big deal.
Alcoholism is only a indication and manifestation of deeper weaknesses in character . Dementia is not as it is a true disease.
Alcoholism was labeled as a “disease” so that insurance would pay for it.
Sounds like your Step 13 is working well. It’s easy to see how you’re able to rationalize it as no big deal.
Despite what wife says I do not have dementia. But I am hard of hearing enough to not hear and understand people at times. There are videos of cops screaming like a little girl at a suspect. I cant understand them so how would a person involved comply?
Dementia has degrees of impairment according to time of day, stress, location, probably blood sugar. I saw an old friend at a funeral. She did not know me but could tell me she had alzheimers ans was taking medication, and to talk to her family there with her.
90% make it less than 5 years in real LE and, unfortunately, most of those that are good at what they do move on to positions where they don't deal with the "general" public in random situations every day.
That statistic sounds reasonable, understandable and a shame as well. I think there are hundreds of police officers doing a good job everyday while a few overshadow the good by their stupidity and power trips. What I don't understand is why, from my personal perception, otherwise good cops seem to defend the actions of those few while not really promoting the good of the hundreds. Not saying you personally but even on this forum all you have to do is read what is written. I get it - "you have to walk in their shoes to understand" - but that is just an old tired saying by now. I support you guys but "don't leave me hanging bro." 😁
Or you can formally complain on azzholes doing s hit that is illegal, far more violent and over the line than this situation....and nothing is done. But yet somehow you're now a snitch in your coworkers eyes, and still a pos to the public.
Its a lose/lose.
Good times!
To be honest, you were one of those that I had in mind about defending the few. Before you get all pizzed at me hear me out. While never being in your shoes, I have been part of many tight knit teams that counted on each other. I understand what happens in the (fill in the blank) stays there mentality. In this specific case most likely all of these cops on admin leave are not really rogue. They got caught up in a bad situation "possibly" brought on by one or two. At the end of the day, by not standing up "snitching" for what is right, they are off the job - maybe even lose the job. Don't know about you, but my family comes first. I did not nor would not jeopardize my families livelihood and financial stability just because of some stupidity on the part of a teammate. Do it right or move on. Just an opinion and not really meant to be a personal shot at you.
1 You don't know me 2 I have no issues with calling out dumb or bad police. Hell I argued with people that thought the taser/glock cop SHOULDN'T be charged criminally (she should) 3. I have stuck my neck out professionally multiple times to complain on officers using excessive force. All it did was come back on me.
I also on a daily basis deal with mentally ill people including folks with dementia. Heck just today I spoke with a schizophrenic that was hallucinating something fierce. Unfortunately in this day people believe calling the police will solve all their problems. News flash, we can't. I am not a psychiatric professional nor a therapist. I have taken the pathetic CIT course (which is pure common sense fyi).
I try to treat people the way I want to be treated. Unless they're an azzhole. Then I will be an azzhole too. I will not be mother f ucked up one side and down the other and call you sir....sorry. I do not want to break an old woman or man either. I try to use my mouth more than putting the beat down on folks because I don't need the reports, liabilities, or to get hurt.
Was this cop an idiot? Probably. Is that common? Well based of the new officers I've interacted with, it's becoming more common. What intelligent person would want to be a cop after Ferguson and now Saint Floyd? Nobody.
Keep buying into the narrative the leftwing media is selling, soon enough no decent person will want to be a cop.
But I’d gladly take a baseball bat to that guy’s head.
I can take a lot of abuse and turn my head to some real disgusting things, but this is sickening and that poor woman didn’t deserve that kind of treatment. I hope there is justice in dealing with those pukes in a police uniform.
Some here don't seem to be familiar with "early onset dementia". It's not always 80 year olds. Am I the only one who sees the irony in the name of the city LOVEland?
That's for damned sure!!!!
"Early onset dementia" means exactly what it says!! The disorder can and does strike "young" women and men.
Anyone who is genuinely interested in learning about Alzheimer's dementia and the several other types of dementia need only type in "Alzheimer's dementia" in your search engine and then do some research. It is very interesting, plus there are a number of doctors out there who have very good advice on how people with loved ones who are suffering from that terrible, awful disorder, can deal with it.
Who allowed a 73 year old woman with dementia to walk down the street and to go into WalMart by herself? Isn't her loving family responsible for her?
You ever had a family member that wasn't quite right? They are adults and you cannot confine them until things become very evident or dangerous. We had quite a bit of convincing to do to stop my mother from driving when we scared to death that she was not only going to kill herself but also include another vehicle in the deal. The MV office told me that if she could shuffle through the door and pass the eye exam there was nothing they could do but renew. Same goes for dementia and crazy, there is a certain amount that nobody can do anything about.
Everyone has bad days, maybe that cop caught his wife doing the pool guy or maybe the FedEx guy that was dropping off more than this weeks Jenny Craig ! Either way had that been my mother, well lets just say, that cops life would become a whole lot more complicated !
For all you people that know somebody with dementia:
Can you please keep them confined? Because they’re annoying as fugk.
Thanks.
You need to look at them in proper context, you should watch a couple of them on those "Lil Rascal " electric scooters running hot laps in the Dollar store parking lot !
George Floyd was impaired when he was arrested and the cops didn’t care either.
George Floyd killed his own brain cells with poisonous drugs, that's a far cry from an elderly woman suffering from a terrible mental illness that has no cure.
Only Snowflakes would celebrate roughing up a granny for alleged shoplifting. Their Chief should give them 1000 hours of community service at a nursing home cleaning bed pans.
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
The government pays for the worthless residents, that's why they're 10K a month.
Like college tuition........the cost would be about 30% of current cost, if not for government involvement.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
I'll go further and say for those that "think" she should have been locked up in a care facility, just who gave you the the right to suggest anyone should be locked up without some due process? You people act like this lady is public enemy #1 and has not rights. Those that want to shove the red flag law down our throats will have a hay day with this kind of mindset.
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
That’s what I’m saying.
Let her walk all over hell and do whatever she wants. No skin off my nose.
I have said that if she had folks that were looking out for her and she was in a place that look out for folks with that problem,it would have never happen.
The state pays for folks that need help at homes.
I am not an idiot like one poster has said.
If folks had thought of this type of thing happening to them or a loved one they would have had a plan with funding for same.
While not a rich fellow we do have money set aside for future problems.
Sucks to Be Chauvin RN. Sitting in prison convicted of murder for doing your damn job.
Anyone wonder where a 45 year old Chauvin, and his mail order bride amassed million dollar savings account. on a street cops salary ?
Asking for a friend ........
How much does a “street cop” in Minneapolis make?
And who told you he has millions of dollars in a savings account?
It was in the trial, How both he and his bride were trying to move money the day after the "incident" from two accounts, so they could divorce and shield the money from law suits, one account had 700 thousand and the other had 400 thousand in it . Seems like a lot of jinga for a street cop . Maybe he inherited it ?
The government pays for the worthless residents, that's why they're 10K a month.
Like college tuition........the cost would be about 30% of current cost, if not for government involvement.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
Government does not pay for the majority of assisted living or memory care. In the cases where they do, it is only after the person or POA signs over all assets including social security, pension plans and in most cases a home if owned. It doesn't matter if the individual lives on for years or days, it goes to the government when they pass. It's called Medicaid not to be confused with Medicare. In many of those facilities I wouldn't put you in there much less a parent or loved one. Quality care is privately owned and you get what you pay for. Is it a money making business? Better believe it is and will be for another 30 years at least.
Government intervention??? Yeah right - never once saw a check from the government put in my father's bank account.
The government pays for the worthless residents, that's why they're 10K a month.
Like college tuition........the cost would be about 30% of current cost, if not for government involvement.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
The government does not pay (Medicade) for dementia patients as residents in memory care facilities when the person has the assets to cover the expenses.
My wife was a resident at a good memory care facility for 21 months before she died. We (I and she) paid every penny of her care, including medicines not covered by our Humana plan, and dentists' bills. I never asked for nor received one penny from the government for my wife's care. Being over 65, she was on Medicare for doctors' treatments, but everyone over 65 is on Medicare ... including you, if you're 65 or older.
I find your opinion of dementia victims despicable.
I have said that if she had folks that were looking out for her and she was in a place that look out for folks with that problem,it would have never happen.
The state pays for folks that need help at homes.
I am not an idiot like one poster has said.
If folks had thought of this type of thing happening to them or a loved one they would have had a plan with funding for same.
While not a rich fellow we do have money set aside for future problems.
Everyone should.
Well the person that called you an idiot was me. Could be I was presumptuous so let me rephrase what I mean. Your statement - "It would have never happened if she had been in a place that handles folks that are lost in their mind. As for them laughing i don't really care." - is ignorance. First many people with dementia are reasonably fine one day and the next the whole world changes. To automatically assume the family wasn't looking out for her without you knowing any of their personal background is idiotic.
Glad you have set aside funds for such occasions but unless you have insurance or are "a rich fellow", I suspect you will run short if you live a long life needing care after you have "lost your mind". Course what do I know...it only cost my father a quarter of a million dollars for 2 1/2 years.
Surely.......given all your flowering intelligence......you know that lifestyle (as well as genetics) can play a part in the severity of dementia/Alzheimers. Also, like most illnesses, early detection is key.
Do you dispute that government involvement (funding) affects prices of care facilities or college tuition rates?
There are lots of worthless elderly. Most will vote for means-testing Social Security.......if it means they still get theirs.....or more.
My wife is a home health nurse. Plenty of the lifelong 'worthless' elderly patients are still on MEDICAID......not Medicare. It's still cheaper for them.
Call all the names you'd like.......if you feel better.
Hint: No assets=worthless. Worthless is not a state of mind.
Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
The government pays for the worthless residents, that's why they're 10K a month.
Like college tuition........the cost would be about 30% of current cost, if not for government involvement.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
The government does not pay (Medicade) for dementia patients as residents in memory care facilities when the person has the assets to cover the expenses.
My wife was a resident at a good memory care facility for 21 months before she died. We (I and she) paid every penny of her care, including medicines not covered by our Humana plan, and dentists' bills. I never asked for nor received one penny from the government for my wife's care. Being over 65, she was on Medicare for doctors' treatments, but everyone over 65 is on Medicare ... including you, if you're 65 or older.
I find your opinion of dementia victims despicable.
The government pays for the worthless residents, that's why they're 10K a month.
Like college tuition........the cost would be about 30% of current cost, if not for government involvement.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
For those who say she should've been locked up in a care facility, those places start at about $10K a month for a decent one for people with dementia. That's why many aren't put in one until absolutely necessary. How many of you could afford that?
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
The government does not pay (Medicade) for dementia patients as residents in memory care facilities when the person has the assets to cover the expenses.
My wife was a resident at a good memory care facility for 21 months before she died. We (I and she) paid every penny of her care, including medicines not covered by our Humana plan, and dentists' bills. I never asked for nor received one penny from the government for my wife's care. Being over 65, she was on Medicare for doctors' treatments, but everyone over 65 is on Medicare ... including you, if you're 65 or older.
I find your opinion of dementia victims despicable.
L.W.
Do you think just because someone managed to live to old age that they are by default an asset? For many that is true. But as MikeWerner opined above, there are a lot of shcidtbirds that made it to old age without ever contributing or doing a damn thing for the country. Being old at one point in time meant they had most likely survived the depression, WWII, etc and MOST LIKELY played a part. We are rapidly advancing past that point. How about the brain dead hippy doper draft dodgers, they are in their 70s now.
We made this mistake in wwii...the enemy of your enemy is not your friend
Cops will be the first to stomp you out for standing up for your rights. They are not for us...they are for whatever they are told. Dogs on a leash...nothing more
We made this mistake in wwii...the enemy of your enemy is not your friend
Cops will be the first to stomp you out for standing up for your rights. They are not for us...they are for whatever they are told. Dogs on a leash...nothing more
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
L.W.
Good point, but ya left out Connecticut, Michigan, Indiana, Florida, Washington, Oklahoma, Virginia and California.
Course, the Supreme kangaroos wouldn't allow such a thing ta happen, would they? Of course they would.
Hitler got his ideas from the US, both in the master race concept, as well as the fact that a society could be manipulated to carry out insane concepts, if the propaganda caught hold.
We made this mistake in wwii...the enemy of your enemy is not your friend
Cops will be the first to stomp you out for standing up for your rights. They are not for us...they are for whatever they are told. Dogs on a leash...nothing more
I have said that if she had folks that were looking out for her and she was in a place that look out for folks with that problem,it would have never happen.
The state pays for folks that need help at homes.
I am not an idiot like one poster has said.
If folks had thought of this type of thing happening to them or a loved one they would have had a plan with funding for same.
While not a rich fellow we do have money set aside for future problems.
Everyone should.
Thank you plainsman. Obviously this woman should not have been out on the street.
We made this mistake in wwii...the enemy of your enemy is not your friend
Cops will be the first to stomp you out for standing up for your rights. They are not for us...they are for whatever they are told. Dogs on a leash...nothing more
Know thy enemy and were they live.
So, dox the cops.
Then what will you do?
What are you advocating for?
Don't be a pussy. Come out and say it.
I already did.
Know thy enemy and where they live.
If you think that means LEO are the enemy, then that’s on you.
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
L.W.
Good point, but ya left out Connecticut, Michigan, Indiana, Florida, Washington, Oklahoma, Virginia and California.
Course, the Supreme kangaroos wouldn't allow such a thing ta happen, would they? Of course they would.
Hitler got his ideas from the US, both in the master race concept, as well as the fact that a society could be manipulated to carry out insane concepts, if the propaganda caught hold.
Sucks to Be Chauvin RN. Sitting in prison convicted of murder for doing your damn job.
Anyone wonder where a 45 year old Chauvin, and his mail order bride amassed million dollar savings account. on a street cops salary ?
Asking for a friend ........
How much does a “street cop” in Minneapolis make?
And who told you he has millions of dollars in a savings account?
It was in the trial, How both he and his bride were trying to move money the day after the "incident" from two accounts, so they could divorce and shield the money from law suits, one account had 700 thousand and the other had 400 thousand in it . Seems like a lot of jinga for a street cop . Maybe he inherited it ?
Or maybe he worked a lot of overtime and invested it in the stock market.
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
Thank you for bringing that up. What was one of the first things all of those had to do to clear the way for socialist/communist reign?
Hint...get rid of the police and replace them with criminals.
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
Thank you for bringing that up. What was one of the first things all of those had to do to clear the way for socialist/communist reign?
Hint...get rid of the police and replace them with criminals.
But what do you see the action of those LEOs as being? Just another day. OR Not to proper humane treatment. OR Real improper behavior needing correction. I ask you because you are a LEO.
"Worthless residents." Hmmmm. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Dr. Joset Mengele, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin, had a solution for dealing with the "worthless" people who had mental disabilities.
Thank you for bringing that up. What was one of the first things all of those had to do to clear the way for socialist/communist reign?
Hint...get rid of the police and replace them with criminals.
But what do you see the action of those LEOs as being? Just another day. OR Not to proper humane treatment. OR Real improper behavior needing correction. I ask you because you are a LEO.
Get rid of the Pooooolice!!! Them fuggers hate everyone!
Sucks to Be Chauvin RN. Sitting in prison convicted of murder for doing your damn job.
Anyone wonder where a 45 year old Chauvin, and his mail order bride amassed million dollar savings account. on a street cops salary ?
Asking for a friend ........
How much does a “street cop” in Minneapolis make?
And who told you he has millions of dollars in a savings account?
It was in the trial, How both he and his bride were trying to move money the day after the "incident" from two accounts, so they could divorce and shield the money from law suits, one account had 700 thousand and the other had 400 thousand in it . Seems like a lot of jinga for a street cop . Maybe he inherited it ?
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. That’s something for the judge and prosecutor to consider and to drop charges but has nothing to do with police arriving on the seen when called to respond and have no idea. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do. The fact you would be fine with this happening to your own mother while those who did it laughed as they rewatched it over and over while your mother sat in the cell with no medical care speaks volumes.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
I couldn’t run for office I have no desire to pander to BS.
Did she deserve a broken arm or all of those bruises. No. She obviously had underlying health issues. Following your logic Tyrone doesn’t deserve to get shot dead for stealing $13 from the quick mart either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the crime other than it’s what results in the police contact. The injuries (or Tyrone getting shot dead) has all to do with the lack of compliance after the fact.
Many of you sound like the Afro community refusing to follow logic and OD’ing on emotions. Do you know her background besides being older? Was she a career criminal? A meth head ect. Do you think that is this day and age police can give preferential treatment to white woman but not young black men with a family member or state paid for therapist claiming defiance disorder, poverty, “the disease of chemical dependency”, micro aggressions ect, ect?
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
I couldn’t run for office I have no desire to pander to BS.
Did she deserve a broken arm or all of those bruises. No. She obviously had underlying health issues. Following your logic Tyrone doesn’t deserve to get shot dead for stealing $13 from the quick mart either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the crime other than it’s what results in the police contact. The injuries (or Tyrone getting shot dead) has all to do with the lack of compliance after the fact.
Many of you sound like the Afro community refusing to follow logic and OD’ing on emotions. Do you know her background besides being older? Was she a career criminal? A meth head ect. Do you think that is this day and age police can give preferential treatment to white woman but not young black men with a family member or state paid for therapist claiming defiance disorder, poverty, “the disease of chemical dependency, micro aggressions ect, ect?
Are you a racist? Why do you keep bringing up black people in this conversation? Why can't you focus on a 72 year old white lady instead of everything else. It matters. the fact is she posed no threat to the cop. He posed a serious one to her though. With every post you make you just seem to dig your hole a little deeper.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone I that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
I couldn’t run for office I have no desire to pander to BS.
Did she deserve a broken arm or all of those bruises. No. She obviously had underlying health issues. Following your logic Tyrone doesn’t deserve to get shot dead for stealing $13 from the quick mart either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the crime other than it’s what results in the police contact. The injuries (or Tyrone getting shot dead) has all to do with the lack of compliance after the fact.
Many of you sound like the Afro community refusing to follow logic and OD’ing on emotions. Do you know her background besides being older? Was she a career criminal? A meth head ect. Do you think that is this day and age police can give preferential treatment to white woman but not young black men with a family member or state paid for therapist claiming defiance disorder, poverty, “the disease of chemical dependency, micro aggressions ect, ect?
Are you a racist? Why do you keep bringing up black people in this conversation? Why can't you focus on a 72 year old white lady instead of everything else. It matters. the fact is she posed no threat to the cop. He posed a serious one to her though. With every post you make you just seem to dig your hole a little deeper.
Nice try. You didn’t address one single point but went straight to the “are you a racist card” see the similarities there?
Did she pose a threat? Likely not but that’s a bad assumption to make if your occupation involves making contact with criminals or the mentally ill and potentially arresting them. You’re still missing the bigger point that for a society to function people especially those that have just committed a crime (it’s up to courts to decide extenuating circumstances police on the fly with incomplete information can’t). People need to comply white or black young or old. If the police sat pat while every petty lawbreaker walked away, refused to listen, fained innocent, or mental problems nothing would get done. If you believe that in this political climate that police can choose one standard for older white woman and another for young black men I suspect that you’re wrong.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
I couldn’t run for office I have no desire to pander to BS.
Did she deserve a broken arm or all of those bruises. No. She obviously had underlying health issues. Following your logic Tyrone doesn’t deserve to get shot dead for stealing $13 from the quick mart either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the crime other than it’s what results in the police contact. The injuries (or Tyrone getting shot dead) has all to do with the lack of compliance after the fact.
Many of you sound like the Afro community refusing to follow logic and OD’ing on emotions. Do you know her background besides being older? Was she a career criminal? A meth head ect. Do you think that is this day and age police can give preferential treatment to white woman but not young black men with a family member or state paid for therapist claiming defiance disorder, poverty, “the disease of chemical dependency, micro aggressions ect, ect?
Are you a racist? Why do you keep bringing up black people in this conversation? Why can't you focus on a 72 year old white lady instead of everything else. It matters. the fact is she posed no threat to the cop. He posed a serious one to her though. With every post you make you just seem to dig your hole a little deeper.
Unfortunately, the world is full of dudes who don't mind slapping a women around a bit when they get out of line.
[quote=TheLastLemming76]Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. That’s something for the judge and prosecutor to consider and to drop charges but has nothing to do with police arriving on the seen when called to respond and have no idea. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
I think Like a man born in the 1950’s. I think you’re a psychopath, If you believe you have to tackle an old women and break and or dislocate bones to get compliance, regardless of how busy your daily schedule is, then go back to the station and play the video for your blue line buddies to laugh and replay over and over to reinforce that your the man. Emotion doesn’t play a part here for me you [bleep]! There is no innocent mistake for tackling a 73 year old woman! Being 73 means you aught to be able to handle her without breaking a sweat, is that your issue? Untucking believable. You would probably be one that beats the [bleep] out of old folks in rest homes.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone I that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
I couldn’t run for office I have no desire to pander to BS.
Did she deserve a broken arm or all of those bruises. No. She obviously had underlying health issues. Following your logic Tyrone doesn’t deserve to get shot dead for stealing $13 from the quick mart either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the crime other than it’s what results in the police contact. The injuries (or Tyrone getting shot dead) has all to do with the lack of compliance after the fact.
Many of you sound like the Afro community refusing to follow logic and OD’ing on emotions. Do you know her background besides being older? Was she a career criminal? A meth head ect. Do you think that is this day and age police can give preferential treatment to white woman but not young black men with a family member or state paid for therapist claiming defiance disorder, poverty, “the disease of chemical dependency, micro aggressions ect, ect?
Are you a racist? Why do you keep bringing up black people in this conversation? Why can't you focus on a 72 year old white lady instead of everything else. It matters. the fact is she posed no threat to the cop. He posed a serious one to her though. With every post you make you just seem to dig your hole a little deeper.
Nice try. You didn’t address one single point but went straight to the “are you a racist card” see the similarities there?
I've addressed plenty with you. I'm just making it easier for you to dig your hole deeper.
Negative. He got the money from somewhere else. Someone as dumb Chauvin doesn't have over $1mil in liquid assets (cash) at 45 years old on an average salary. Inheritance is good possibility. I do find it intriguing.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Or maybe he worked a lot of overtime and invested it in the stock market.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone I that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
You realize you are in the minority on the decency scale here, right?
Since you are categorizing me, let me do some back. You act as though you are desensitized to violence against women and/or the elderly. Almost as though maybe you grew up seeing it first hand, or maybe part of life now, so therefore see it as the norm and not as shocking as most of us do.
I guess we all judge right and wrong by our own circumstances, but I'm quite sure 99 out of 100 would say this was wrong. I'm sure the other 1 out of 100 would feel they are right in thinking it's just another day.
I didn’t categorize you at all. Idk know who you are.
As far as being in the minority that’s alright. I’m not a lemming or at least am the last one to jump off of the cliff following the crowd. I think for myself.
The police do not have all day to run evaluations on people that will not comply. If she truly has dementia and that was the sole reason for concealing my heart goes out to her but to some degree law enforcement is cookie cutter and has to be. Try giving preferential treatment to older white woman but not young black men and see where that will get you legally.
I hope you never run for public office. So where is this lady's benefit from you of being innocent until proven guilty? You act like the puke officer was just doing his job and maybe even administering the penalty for trying to steal $13.00 worth of china made stuff. So yes good for the tough cop that took another dangerous criminal off the street. She deserved a broken arm and dislocated collar bone. He really was exercising restraint in not hurting her worse. You should start a gofundme account on his behalf.
I couldn’t run for office I have no desire to pander to BS.
Did she deserve a broken arm or all of those bruises. No. She obviously had underlying health issues. Following your logic Tyrone doesn’t deserve to get shot dead for stealing $13 from the quick mart either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the crime other than it’s what results in the police contact. The injuries (or Tyrone getting shot dead) has all to do with the lack of compliance after the fact.
Many of you sound like the Afro community refusing to follow logic and OD’ing on emotions. Do you know her background besides being older? Was she a career criminal? A meth head ect. Do you think that is this day and age police can give preferential treatment to white woman but not young black men with a family member or state paid for therapist claiming defiance disorder, poverty, “the disease of chemical dependency, micro aggressions ect, ect?
Are you a racist? Why do you keep bringing up black people in this conversation? Why can't you focus on a 72 year old white lady instead of everything else. It matters. the fact is she posed no threat to the cop. He posed a serious one to her though. With every post you make you just seem to dig your hole a little deeper.
Nice try. You didn’t address one single point but went straight to the “are you a racist card” see the similarities there?
I've addressed plenty with you. I'm just making it easier for you to dig your hole deeper.
Dig with whom you? I see this as a place for honest people to exchange ideas. If you disagree so be it. No skin off of my nose. Way to much hurt feelings and emotions. Not enough logic IMHO
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply ...
And there you have it. That old bitch just wouldn’t comply. As he said as he was headed towards her, I’m not playing this game. You will comply!!!
Well if you break a law even a “minor one” that involves police being called out. What do you want them to do and how much time should they spend with people that will no comply with lawful and reasonable commands? Honest question. The law doesn’t allow for double standards based on race or age and everyone that committed any crime will have family and a shrink claiming extenuating circumstances.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply ...
And there you have it. That old bitch just wouldn’t comply. As he said as he was headed towards her, I’m not playing this game. You will comply!!!
Yeah, it seems most of the issues come from the cop being disrespected and not any real need for violence. Someone doesn't immediately subject themselves to their authority, and it's on. Comply or die. Those cops I'm sure are in the minority, but they certainly take up the majority of air time.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply ...
And there you have it. That old bitch just wouldn’t comply. As he said as he was headed towards her, I’m not playing this game. You will comply!!!
Well if you break a law even a “minor one” that involves police being called out. What do you want them to do and how much time should they spend with people that will no comply with lawful and reasonable commands? Honest question. The law doesn’t allow for double standards based on race or age and everyone that committed any crime will have family and a shrink claiming extenuating circumstances.
It's odd that you continue to ignore the fact they sat around rewatching the video and laughing while she sat in the cell with no medical care. [bleep] that bitch, right?
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply ...
And there you have it. That old bitch just wouldn’t comply. As he said as he was headed towards her, I’m not playing this game. You will comply!!!
Well if you break a law even a “minor one” that involves police being called out. What do you want them to do and how much time should they spend with people that will no comply with lawful and reasonable commands? Honest question. The law doesn’t allow for double standards based on race or age and everyone that committed any crime will have family and a shrink claiming extenuating circumstances.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply ...
And there you have it. That old bitch just wouldn’t comply. As he said as he was headed towards her, I’m not playing this game. You will comply!!!
She didn’t “deserve it” anymore that Tyrone deserved shot. Police do not have all day to make like Andy Griffith for people that will not comply nor do they have access to on the scene mental health experts to diagnose every problem and then call in a medical expert to fix it. From what I understand Seattle is working on some such therapist type first responder solution..
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply ...
And there you have it. That old bitch just wouldn’t comply. As he said as he was headed towards her, I’m not playing this game. You will comply!!!
Well if you break a law even a “minor one” that involves police being called out. What do you want them to do and how much time should they spend with people that will no comply with lawful and reasonable commands? Honest question. The law doesn’t allow for double standards based on race or age and everyone that committed any crime will have family and a shrink claiming extenuating circumstances.
GMAFB. It’s called discretion.
Right discretion. AKA easily spun by a lawyer as racism. Discretion would be someone just run out of a store for attempted theft stopping when the cruiser roles up or stopping after they get out and ask her to stop or face them for dialogue. Discretion based on skin color or age is a trial lawyers dream. You spend all day asking people to stop that refuse and see how much patience you have. She gave them nothing to base discretion on other than age and skin color and that’s the way they have to look at it. If police assumed every petty criminal had underlying mental, emotional, or substance abuse problems they’d spend all day talking to crazy people. Sad but reality.
No well thought out counter point or any counterpoint, or honest respect for differing views. Just insults. Yet somehow I’m the “idiot and not fit for polite society” based on someone to emotional to hold rational respectful debate.
If it were my mom, I would be emotional. It wasn’t.
Fortunately police, courts, and jurors do not or at least are not supposed to hold a “if it were my mom” mentality when making decisions. A my mom mentality lends itself to emotional responses over logical or legal decisions. My mom mentalities leads to let’s string him up and drag him through the streets just in case my crazy azz mom said he did it and was right. Then again that line of thought seems to workout ok in Chicago..
My lil cuz Ray,Ray din do nuffin. He was a good boy suffering from emotional problems.
Surely.......given all your flowering intelligence......you know that lifestyle (as well as genetics) can play a part in the severity of dementia/Alzheimers. Also, like most illnesses, early detection is key.
Do you dispute that government involvement (funding) affects prices of care facilities or college tuition rates?
There are lots of worthless elderly. Most will vote for means-testing Social Security.......if it means they still get theirs.....or more.
My wife is a home health nurse. Plenty of the lifelong 'worthless' elderly patients are still on MEDICAID......not Medicare. It's still cheaper for them.
Call all the names you'd like.......if you feel better.
Hint: Worthless is not a state of mind.
Ahh, "flowering intelligence." I take that as a compliment and am sure you made it in good faith. I never considered myself overly intelligent but if you think so, I accept it.
Now, as to your "gaslighting" my remarks, I'll address them one by one. Please reread my original post to you carefully.
I. I did not speak whatsoever regarding lifestyle or genetics of those people afflicted by Alzheimer's dementia or the several other dementia disorders. That has nothing to do with the elderly who suffer from dementia. There is no "key" or cure for Alzheimer's or the other dementia disorders so early detection is only beneficial to the family members to be aware of "what's coming" for their loved ones and to try and prepare the best they can for the eventuality.
2. I did not speak to the fact that the government health directives have added to memory care facility costs ... and to every other aspect of health and medical care in the U.S. That has nothing to do with what I posted.
3. I did not speak to the "worthless elderly" who vote for means testing Social Security benefits. That has absolutely nothing to do with the elderly who suffer from dementia. They are -- in most cases -- unable to vote.
4. I did not speak to the issue of those who are still on Medicaid in facilities or in home care. Medicare does not pay for people suffering from dementia who are in memory care facilities or in home care. My address to you concerned your extremely insensitive labeling of dementia victims as "worthless."
5. I called you names?? Not hardly. I merely compared your opinion of the elderly victims of dementia as "worthless," with the attitudes of past dictators and their sycophants who came up with a "solution" for the problem. A comparison is not necessarily an accusation.
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"No assets=worthless. "
Many, many people have "no assets" but still work hard and support themselves and families. There are of course, those who refuse to work and abuse the American taxpayers as "parasites." I think that 'worthless" might with good cause be applied to them.
I still find your stated opinion of the elderly with dementia (such as my wife, and others I've known) as callous and despicable.
Right discretion. AKA easily spun by a lawyer as racism. Discretion would be someone just run out of a store for attempted theft stopping when the cruiser roles up or stopping after they get out and ask her to stop or face them for dialogue.
Do you understand the meaning of the word discretion? Your examples above suggest that you do not.
If it were my mom, I would be emotional. It wasn’t.
Fortunately police, courts, and jurors do not or at least are not supposed to hold a “if it were my mom” mentality when making decisions. If it were my mom lends itself to emotional responses over logical or legal decisions. If it were my mom mentalities leads to let’s string him up and drag him through the streets mentalities just in case my crazy azz mom said he did it and was right. Then again that line of thought seems to workout ok in Chicago..
Fortunately a very small amount of Police Officers would not think it necessary to tackle a 73 year old women, break their arm and dislocate their shoulders when detaining them. Furthermore fewer yet would probably play the video of them doing so to get accolades in their respective station.
Right discretion. AKA easily spun by a lawyer as racism. Discretion would be someone just run out of a store for attempted theft stopping when the cruiser roles up or stopping after they get out and ask her to stop or face them for dialogue.
Do you understand the meaning of the word discretion? Your examples above suggest that you do not.
Courts have had discretion pulled in since the Clinton years and police too. One person’s discretion is another persons selective treatment AKA racism. I don’t like it but it is what it is. It ain’t the responding officers fault that they don’t live in Mayberry. This woman by not responding to a squad car pulling up behind her after being booted and likely told that police had been called for shoplifting, then refusing to stop or even look at the police for more than a split second gave the police nothing to base discretion on other than being a white woman.
We’ll have to disagree on this one. No sense in going round and round. I’m not going to see it your way (even though I think you should) and I’m not going to see it your way (no doubt you think I should).
There is no training that can fix this, only a wise and ruthless selection process can...
"“Ready for the pop?” Hopp said to Jalali and other officers while they gathered to watch the footage of the violent arrest. “What popped?” another officer asked. “I think it was her shoulder,” Hopp replied. These comments can be heard at 48:30 in the below video.
Hopp can be heard saying, “I can’t believe I threw a 73-year-old on the ground,” while Jalali comments: “It’s like live TV... Body-cams are my favorite thing to watch, I could watch livestream body-cams all day.” The third officer can be heard suggesting “The Body-Cam Show” as a title for a proposed television special, and says to Hopp, “Impressive, buddy.”"
We’ll have to disagree on this one. No sense in going round and round. I’m not going to see it your way (even though I think you should) and I’m not going to see it your way (no doubt you think I should).
[quote=knivesforme]If it were my mom, I would be emotional. It wasn’t.
Fortunately police, courts, and jurors do not or at least are not supposed to hold a “if it were my mom” mentality when making decisions. If it were my mom lends itself to emotional responses over logical or legal decisions. If it were my mom mentalities leads to let’s string him up and drag him through the streets mentalities just in case my crazy azz mom said he did it and was right. Then again that line of thought seems to workout ok in Chicago..
Fortunately a very small amount of Police Officers would not think it necessary to tackle a 73 year old women, break their arm and dislocate their shoulders when detaining them. Furthermore fewer yet would probably play the video of them doing so to get accolades in their respective station.
Funny that you would think me a hypocrite. I haven’t seen any 73 old Black women with the same circumstance. I am a guy, who you can racist, all you want. I have zero white guilt!
Concealing property in the store in and of itself is a crime. The store called police. If police spent hours talking to people that want to talk in circles or simply walk away without complying to lawful commands (which they were she concealed property until confronted by store personnel and the store chose to call police). Police would spend all day talking in circles to people who aren’t going to comply, claim they aren’t guilty and want to argue. Police are on timelines and expect to have lawful basic orders followed. If she had looked confused I’d have more compassion. It’s unfortunate but she looked like a run of the mill shoplifting that didn’t want to stop and deal with the police. Police don’t have all day for that.
I hope they break your neck someday when you're old and forget things. It's too bad that you'll have to wait until then, you sick SOB.
Still waiting for something insightful or legally based.
Haha never mind I don’t have that much time to waste. Have a goodnight and glad that you’re not a hypocrite when it’s the other color not complying.
And we are all still waiting on you to explain why laughing about it afterwards while she was in the cell with no medical care was OK too.
Because you won’t. It’s not cool or professional and was dumb. Especially in this day and age. Looked at another way and germaine to the case if they had felt like they had broken the law they’d likely have been back pedaling or at minimum keeping quiet. Being unprofessional with comments after the fact and an azz is not the same as being legally wrong. Odds are it will Bite them just as the smug look did on the face of the MN cop did. Appearances mater when dealing with people that “think” with emotions and “if that were my mom” mentality’s.
I’m pretty sure that you’re a good dude but we’re just not going to agree on this one
Still waiting for something insightful or legally based.
Haha never mind I don’t have that much time to waste. Have a goodnight and glad that you’re not a hypocrite when it’s the other color not complying.
And we are all still waiting on you to explain why laughing about it afterwards while she was in the cell with no medical care was OK too.
Because you won’t. It’s not cool or professional and was dumb. Especially in this day and age. Looked at another way and germaine to the case if they had felt like they had broken the law they’d likely have been back pedaling or at minimum keeping quiet. Being unprofessional with comments after the fact and an azz is not the same as being legally wrong. Odds are it will Bite them just as the smug look did on the face of the MN cop did. Appearances mater when dealing with people that “think” with emotions and “if that were my mom” mentality’s.
I’m pretty sure that you’re a good dude but we’re just not going to agree on this one
You can't separate it from the case, and if it's in front of a jury, it will be front and center. Tells a person a lot about the people they are trying to make a judgement on. There wouldn't be near the outcry over this without the behavior afterward, Heck, that's even the title of the thread. Not the takedown. The takedown was excessive. The behavior afterward was sadistic. There is no room for that in any profession. It won't end well for one or two of them, and it shouldn't. They cooked their own goose.
Cops are too fuuckin stupid to realize public opinion is turning against them and modify their behavior/tactics to do something to change that. We've all seen that they absolutely do selectively enforce the law and that there are multiple sets of standards depending on who you are. Otherwise such as the ANTIFA/BLM thugs and Hunter Biden would all be beaten and bruised and rotting in jail. They clearly work for the rogue government and not the people/taxpayers who pay their salaries. If that keeps up, one day it will bite them in the ass hard and permanent and they will have earned it.
From what I understand Seattle is working on some such therapist type first responder solution..
What you “understand” about what Seattle is doing couldn’t be more incorrect if you tried. Seattle police have had these resources on payroll for several years, Seattle Fire also has a community response team with social workers as do most major King County Fire departments.
I was involved in a similar situation to this just a few weeks ago. Elderly lady shoplifted and then walked away. Police were called and contacted her and she tried to walk away from them. She wasn’t registering what the officers were saying so they quickly deduced she may have dementia and gently corralled her. They couldn’t find any ID so they called for the Fire department and ambulance. She was transported to the ED where the police met her and worked with the hospital social worker to find out who she was and where she belonged. Shortly after a local dementia facility called for a lost resident and she was transported back to the facility.
No rough take downs, no cuffs, no broken arms etc. oh and by the way the police department was none other then Seattle Police.
I can also tell you that I’ve had countless interactions with Seattle Police involving mental health, dementia, drugs etc and have NEVER witnessed a single officer act as you condone.
But what do I know I’ve only worked ambulances in Seattle and King County for the last 21 years, done a stint as a swat medic and my oldest son is a police officer for a lock department so I probably don’t have to guess.......
From what I understand Seattle is working on some such therapist type first responder solution..
What you “understand” about what Seattle is doing couldn’t be more incorrect if you tried. Seattle police have had these resources on payroll for several years, Seattle Fire also has a community response team with social workers as do most major King County Fire departments.
I was involved in a similar situation to this just a few weeks ago. Elderly lady shoplifted and then walked away. Police were called and contacted her and she tried to walk away from them. She wasn’t registering what the officers were saying so they quickly deduced she may have dementia and gently corralled her. They couldn’t find any ID so they called for the Fire department and ambulance. She was transported to the ED where the police met her and worked with the hospital social worker to find out who she was and where she belonged. Shortly after a local dementia facility called for a lost resident and she was transported back to the facility.
No rough take downs, no cuffs, no broken arms etc. oh and by the way the police department was none other then Seattle Police.
I can also tell you that I’ve had countless interactions with Seattle Police involving mental health, dementia, drugs etc and have NEVER witnessed a single officer act as you condone.
But what do I know I’ve only worked ambulances in Seattle and King County for the last 21 years, done a stint as a swat medic and my oldest son is a police officer for a lock department so I probably don’t have to guess.......
Anyone that will tackle s 73 year old has no business, none being a LEO
Still waiting for something insightful or legally based.
Haha never mind I don’t have that much time to waste. Have a goodnight and glad that you’re not a hypocrite when it’s the other color not complying.
And we are all still waiting on you to explain why laughing about it afterwards while she was in the cell with no medical care was OK too.
Because you won’t. It’s not cool or professional and was dumb. Especially in this day and age. Looked at another way and germaine to the case if they had felt like they had broken the law they’d likely have been back pedaling or at minimum keeping quiet. Being unprofessional with comments after the fact and an azz is not the same as being legally wrong. Odds are it will Bite them just as the smug look did on the face of the MN cop did. Appearances mater when dealing with people that “think” with emotions and “if that were my mom” mentality’s.
I’m pretty sure that you’re a good dude but we’re just not going to agree on this one
I don’t agree with you either, and it would be a bad day for one of my coppers if they were involved.
The statement was made that cops "don't have time" to apply discretion or give a special response to one with special needs. Plainly, they do have time to sit around and ridicule the victim while replaying the video. Judging from their appearance, they do have time to ingest large quantities of carbohydrates. Sadly, this woman lacked the mental capacity to follow the appropriate action which is to acquiesce at the time then even the score later or trust a family member to do that for you. Hopefully her family will find a way to do that or some one else will do it in their place. A cop like that will, sooner or later, assault the wrong woman. I would imagine he avoids dealing with men, especially men with any evidence of backbone. GD
I'm all about "back the blue" but this even got me upset. Way to aggressive and knowingly injuring her and not giving her immediate medical attention is reprehensible. Yes, orders given by police should be followed without question, but using this much force in an elderly lady who's crime was allegedly a $13 shoplifting charge is unacceptable especially when she never left the premises of Walmart and the Walmart security obviously had physical control of her and could have continued to detain her and wait for the cops to arrive instead of securing the products that were shoplifted and setting her on her way before calling the cops. I see her lawyers suing Walmart and the police department and winning big bucks... IMHO
If she had dementia bad enough to forget to pay, how was she walking home alone?
Have you never accidently walked out of a store without paying for something? I have, just last week - walked out of Lowe's with a pack of drill bits that I had stuck in my back pocket while I was shopping. And I was still able to remember how to get back to my truck. And yes, I went back in and paid for them.
Yes, last week in Wally World. I went in shopping with my wife, not expecting to make a purchase. But we got separated when I stopped to look at something, and she kept on going with the cart.
I subsequently ended up in sporting goods and started picking out about $150 worth of crappie jigs, Mepps spinners, and Rapal minnows. A couple items slipped from my grasp as I waiked up front. I absent mindedly slipped one Rapala 1/2 into my Tshirt pocket as I bent over to pick up the items I had dropped.
The cashier saw it hanging out of my pocket. I thanked her for reminding a senile old fart.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Most of you sound exactly like the black community when it’s one of them.. He was a good boy. He didn’t deserve to get kilt over $10 retail fraud. Completely overlooking that he didn’t get killed over stealing $10 he got killed over resisting and refusing to follow basic commands. You’re all buying the media line hook line and sinker. Being 73 doesn’t entitle someone. Was she 73 and a model citizen or 73 with a record of stealing and meth? I have no idea but nobody seems to want to find out or care.
Either way most are focused on the injury not that 1) she didn’t comply and had committed a crime which police were responding to without full background information. 2) The level of bruising and a broken bone don’t add up to extreme brutality more like someone that wasn’t complying and has underlying health issues.
If she truly is a great citizen with no arrest record and suffering from dementia that’s unfortunate for her but do we know that for sure? All I see is people focusing on her age and injuries. Not the crime, lack of compliance, or potential past history, or that the injuries aren’t typical for that level of physicallity. Every didn’t do nothing claims a bad childhood, PTSD, defiance disorder, under the influence, fear of police ect also.
It’s unfortunate that she was hurt if she’s a model citizen making a dementia related innocent mistake but we don’t know that and it’s an imperfect world. That’s something for the judge and prosecutor to consider and to drop charges but has nothing to do with police arriving on the seen when called to respond and have no idea. She committed a crime wouldn’t comply and the police do not have the backstory or resources at scene to call in a toxicologist, a therapist, advanced age expert, therapist, support animal ect. They’re working with an attempted theft and someone that wouldn’t comply. Try dealing with that all day.
Most of you sound like the African community and are getting played by emotions. I suspect if she were black they could have tazed her ass and nobody would give a rats behind.
Mostly I see people focused on the depravity and sadism displayed at the station house.
Most folks would call person a sick bastard for laughing at a recording of any animal being tortured as this old woman was.
I guess we can not jail people for being sadistic and depraved. But we certainly should be able to weed them out of public service.
Forty-five minutes into the booking video, three officers are seen huddled together, watching the body worn camera video.
At one point, the female officer says, “can you stop it now?” One of the male officers responds, “Ready for the pop? Hear the pop?”
The other male officer responds, saying, “what’d you pop?”
The male officer responds, “I think it was her shoulder.”
As the video continues, the female officer visibly hides her face with her hat and hands. At one point she says, “I hate this.”
One of the male officers responds to her saying, “What?” She responds again saying, “I hate this.” The male officer follows up with laughter saying, “I love it.”
Everyone in that dept and any others that saw this video and didn't report it should be concidered accomplices.after the fact
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What is a duty to report a crime – liability for disclosure? Every person or corporation in Colorado who has reasonable grounds to believe that a crime has been committed is duty-bound to report the suspected crime promptly to law enforcement authorities.
Failure to report the crime is itself considered a criminal offense under Colorado law.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
Horrible, I tell ya.
I asked that he put me on his ignore list. He was ranting about childishness in the midst of threatening to tear an internet adversary from limb to limb. I told him if he didn't like childishness he needed to put me on ignore because there's no way in hell I am ever growing up.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
Horrible, I tell ya.
Horrible!! Just quoting this so he sees it.
From someone who was worried about him a month or so ago. Even he knew you were a dickhead and had you on ignore then. LOL Jewdick Hahaha
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
Horrible, I tell ya.
I asked that he put me on his ignore list. He was ranting about childishness in the midst of threatening to tear an internet adversary from limb to limb. I told him if he didn't like childishness he needed to put me on ignore because there's no way in hell I am ever growing up.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Since his old lady tells everyone he’s a HOMO, he acts real tough in public
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
Horrible, I tell ya.
Horrible!! Just quoting this so he sees it.
From someone who was worried about him a month or so ago. Even he knew you were a dickhead and had you on ignore then. LOL Jewdick Hahaha
At least Blackheart was smart enough to know how to work the Ignore function.
Crap like this gives law enforcement a bad name and leads to more protest activity. This didn't have to go down this way. It's pure stupidity.
Only if the person abused is Black.
If I saw that happening I would have gotten the cops badge numbers and witnessed for the lady against the nazi cops at the cops trial. Granted she should not have walked out with what ever she had taken, but nothing was stolen and the walmart idiots would not let her pay for the items she had. I hope the cops that did that are fired and do time in prison.
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
Horrible, I tell ya.
Horrible!! Just quoting this so he sees it.
From someone who was worried about him a month or so ago. Even he knew you were a dickhead and had you on ignore then. LOL Jewdick Hahaha
At least Blackheart was smart enough to know how to work the Ignore function.
Oh I'd never put you on ignore Jewdick!! I likes you tooo much
I forgot to pay for a tank full of gas once. Thank God it was just at the convenience store in town here where they know me so they didn't call the cops and have my arm broke.
Nobody can beat you up.
Heh !
Have you not read how tough he types? He's scary.
Heh ! Yeah, even to the point of getting put on his Ignore list.
Horrible, I tell ya.
Horrible!! Just quoting this so he sees it.
From someone who was worried about him a month or so ago. Even he knew you were a dickhead and had you on ignore then. LOL Jewdick Hahaha
At least Blackheart was smart enough to know how to work the Ignore function.
Oh I'd never put you on ignore Jewdick!! I likes you tooo much
Your old lady likes that Jewdick very much too.
I even had it bifurcated on the head so that when I pull out at the crescendo moment, it’ll spit in both of her eyes.
“Chief Bob Ticer announced that three officers involved in the arrest or booking of 73-year-old Karen Garner are no longer employed by the department.
Officer Austin Hopp Officer Daria Jalali Community service officer Tyler Blackett Ticer did not specify if the officers were fired or resigned, but he said he was involved in that "process."”
Chief Bob Ticer announced that three officers involved in the arrest or booking of 73-year-old Karen Garner are no longer employed by the department.
Officer Austin Hopp Officer Daria Jalali Community service officer Tyler Blackett Ticer did not specify if the officers were fired or resigned, but he said he was involved in that "process."
I hope that they got fired, but probably not. So many times, officers "resign" so that they don't have a bad work history. If they are fired and law enforcemnt credentials cancelled, it's harder for them to get another job.
Chief Bob Ticer announced that three officers involved in the arrest or booking of 73-year-old Karen Garner are no longer employed by the department.
Officer Austin Hopp Officer Daria Jalali Community service officer Tyler Blackett Ticer did not specify if the officers were fired or resigned, but he said he was involved in that "process."
I hope that they got fired, but probably not. So many times, officers "resign" so that they don't have a bad work history. If they are fired and law enforcemnt credentials cancelled, it's harder for them to get another job.
The city is probably hoping saying they're sorry will make it all go away....it won't. Maybe some short term lessening of public criticism, but this is not going away. A federal lawsuit was already filed.
From the article: The Loveland Police Chief announced personnel changes Friday after the department was accused in a federal lawsuit of forcefully arresting and injuring an elderly woman with dementia last summer.
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“We failed and we are very sorry for that,” Ticer said. "What you saw on the video was not the Loveland Police Department. It hurt to see that.”
I hope that they got fired, but probably not. So many times, officers "resign" so that they don't have a bad work history. If they are fired and law enforcemnt credentials cancelled, it's harder for them to get another job.
All four are now on administrative leave. I suspect at least one won’t be invited back.
Are they on leave because of what they did, or because We The People found out.
I suspect the latter.
After going back and re-reading the OP, I have answered my own question.
This happened almost a year ago, June 2020. For almost a year these cops remained on duty and were allowed to continue to “ Protect and Serve”.
Only after the video was posted on YouTube by the family’s attorney did the department act. Almost a year later. Doesn’t say much for the Department does it.
All four are now on administrative leave. I suspect at least one won’t be invited back.
Are they on leave because of what they did, or because We The People found out.
I suspect the latter.
After going back and re-reading the OP, I have answered my own question.
This happened almost a year ago, June 2020. For almost a year these cops remained on duty and were allowed to continue to “ Protect and Serve”.
Only after the video was posted on YouTube by the family’s attorney did the department act. Almost a year later. Doesn’t say much for the Department does it.
Nope. Just like the Army 2lt was several months ago, also.
Are “they” still pursuing a criminal investigation, or has that ended with this?
If they are indicted, will their tax payer funded Union, still pay for their defense now that they have left the department?
The cops in your town must be real ass holes.
LOL
I don’t really know, I don’t find myself in situations where I have to interact with them.
My next door neighbor is a cop, nice guy, young, hot girl friend who likes the sun, if you know what I mean.
My last permit to carry instructor is retired LE, he is also my FFL for online firearm purchase. Nice guy, likes to talk, mostly about politics . Other than that, I don’t know if they are ass holes or not.
One side for you the other for skank. No need for you two to fight over it. There’s plenty enough for both of you.
Diseased, again.
Liar to boot.
Your tribe allows the rabbi to mouth off the cut foreskin, of a child.
Mouth off....tell me you're joking!
Don’t get upset there’s plenty enough to go around for all of you Goy Boys. Two heads are better than one, no waiting in line. Akchopper, will get hers too.
Protesters in Loveland, but nothing was burned nor looted. In a press conference earlier this week, the police chief said he didn't hear about Karen Garner's injuries until after the lawsuit was filed.
His department is out of control, and he is clueless. He should be gone too. Looks like Walmart could have de-escalated it too but failed.
Protesters call for charges for Loveland officers after Karen Garner arrest
LOVELAND, Colo. — People gathered Saturday afternoon at the Loveland Police Department to demand criminal charges for the officers who injured a woman suffering from dementia by forcing her to the ground during an arrest last June.
The protest started at noon at Loveland Police headquarters and was organized by Longmont resident Morgan Goldschmidt.
"This incident I think really exposed a culture within the police department and that’s something that needs to be addressed all over the nation," Goldschmidt said on Saturday.
Organizers of the protest asked participants to wear purple to support those who suffer from elder abuse and to come "armed with flowers." Karen Garner, 73, was picking flowers when officers arrested her.
RELATED: 'We failed and we are very sorry': 3 Loveland police employees no longer with department after Karen Garner arrest
Loveland resident Valerie Lutes carried a purple umbrella in honor of Garner. Sewn to the edges of the umbrella were hand-written signs that called for justice.
"When I saw the video I was angry and disappointed and so sad," Lutes said. "Everybody has a grandma, everybody has a mom. We’ve seen it happen all over the place and it just hits home."
Garner sustained multiple injuries during her arrest, according to a civil lawsuit filed in the case. It says she was left for hours at the jail without medical attention despite having obvious injuries.
Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer said Friday that the department no longer employs three employees involved in the arrest and booking of Garner:
Officer Austin Hopp Officer Daria Jalali Community service officer Tyler Blackett
Ticer did not specify whether the employees were fired or resigned, but he said he was involved in that "process" along with human resources at the department. Tom Hacker, a spokesperson for the Loveland Police Department, later confirmed to 9Wants to Know that the three employees had resigned.
“We failed, and we are very sorry for that,” Ticer said. "What you saw on the video was not the Loveland Police Department. It hurt to see that.”
Garner was arrested last summer while walking home along Mountain Lion Road after visiting a nearby Walmart where she had attempted to leave without paying for about $14 worth of items, the lawsuit says. Walmart employees escorted her back inside and took the items, which Garner offered to pay for, but the employees refused, the lawsuit says.
A Walmart spokesman said Garner escalated the situation, forcing employees to call police.
Footage of Garner's arrest on June 26, 2020, was released by attorney Sarah Schielke, who filed a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of Garner.
The lawsuit alleges that Garner was forcibly pushed to the ground and that during the arrest she suffered multiple injuries including a broken arm and dislocated shoulder.
Schielke released a second video she said shows the three arresting officers watching body camera video of Garner's arrest, laughing and celebrating the excessive force, and fist-bumping the fact that one of the officers intimidated a citizen who had stopped to make a complaint.
On Saturday protesters marched to the Loveland Police Department. The group chanted for the dismissal of Police Sergeant Phil Metzler, Chief Ticer and Loveland City Manager Stephen Adams.
Once protesters arrived at the police department, they placed flowers at the front doors in honor of Garner.
"Today is the start my friends, it’s not the end," one speaker bellowed. "We’ve got a lot of work to do. We’ve got a lot of work to do."
The Larimer County District Attorney's Office announced there would be an independent investigation of the incident.
Get rid of the police union and have Citizen's review boards for these cases. Let the people decide what is right and wrong in their own communities. After all the police are public servants that work for the people.
Get rid of the police union and have Citizen's review boards for these cases. Let the people decide what is right and wrong in their own communities. After all the police are public servants that work for the people.
Get rid of the Teachers Union as well.
Isn’t it odd that our LEO pay dues to organized crime to represent them.
Get rid of the police union and have Citizen's review boards for these cases. Let the people decide what is right and wrong in their own communities. After all the police are public servants that work for the people.
Get rid of the Teachers Union as well.
Isn’t it odd that our LEO pay dues to organized crime to represent them.
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