Since 1971 we've spent over a trillion dollars on the war of drugs. Lost hundreds of law enforcement officers on the war on drugs. Incarcerated more than 200,000 Americans - many for minor drug offences. And we still have a massive drug problem and the cartels are still making billions each year.

It has been estimated that legalizing pot will save/generate more than $13 billion annually and will help to focus law enforcement efforts towards deadly drugs and those who peddle them. So legalize it, tax the hell out of it, and enforce impaired driving laws to protect the community.

I think we've been doing it wrong. It would be much more cost effective to execute some smugglers & dealers once in a while. Coulda saved billion$$$.

I think we've been doing it wrong. It would be much more cost effective to execute some smugglers & dealers once in a while. Coulda saved billion$$$.

Since 1971 we've spent over a trillion dollars on the war of drugs. Lost hundreds of law enforcement officers on the war on drugs. Incarcerated more than 200,000 Americans - many for minor drug offences. And we still have a massive drug problem and the cartels are still making billions each year.

It has been estimated that legalizing pot will save/generate more than $13 billion annually and will help to focus law enforcement efforts towards deadly drugs and those who peddle them. So legalize it, tax the hell out of it, and enforce impaired driving laws to protect the community.

What is the legal limit of THC in the system that determines “ impaired “?

With alcohol we have .08 and can be tested on the side of the road with a breathalyzer.

What device is available to LE to test for THC that will determine “impaired” and does this roadside device stand up in court?

Funny how so many people who talk about their freedom and rights being taken away are often the first to tell others why some drugs should be banned.

Funny how so many people who talk about their freedom and rights being taken away are often the first to tell others why some drugs should be banned.

Funny how so many people who talk about their freedom and rights being taken away are often the first to tell others why some drugs should be banned.

LOL, so you think people have a Constitutional Right to take drugs, sell drugs even to children, grow and manufacture drugs, operate a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs etc. and this RIGHT shall not be Infringed.

As a resident of a rural county, in a state, that has legalized growing...without any polling whatsoever...I can personally testify to the train wreck it has caused here. The human trash that grows for Asian cartels are the worst thing that has ever happened to us. Every crime under the sun seems to be part of the Cambodian/Hmong culture. It has bankrupted the local law enforcement budget, public healthcare budget, toxic waste cleanup, on and on. From murder, to selling puberty age brides, game poaching, theft, arson....We were a lot better off here when the local hippies were growing the dope, small scale black market.

Is this sarcasm?

The big impact we are seeing is the illegal use of water, essentially drying up a number of streams. That, and the the theft of generators and water pumps.

Freakenomics has a chapter on the idea.

Basically - you can't kill a market by going after supply. You have to kill the demand. Always less suppliers than users in the drug trade. Taking out a supplier means there's less, cost goes up enticing someone else to become a supplier because now the money outweighs the risk. Their contention, based solely on economic theory - not an actual ask or solution would be to incarcerate or execute those that use it to the point where no one wants to use it. More supply than demand, price drops and its no longer enticing to the suppliers (cartels) to do so and they exit.

Saw it with booze. Going after the makers (Org crime) didn't work because so long as there's demand - someone will attempt to fill that vacuum. Get rid of the demand - you end the market.

Unfortunately, no. He is serious.

What is the legal limit of THC in the system that determines “ impaired “?

With alcohol we have .08 and can be tested on the side of the road with a breathalyzer.

What device is available to LE to test for THC that will determine “impaired” and does this roadside device stand up in court?

Is this sarcasm?

Funny how so many people who talk about their freedom and rights being taken away are often the first to tell others why some drugs should be banned.

Each State must decide how they intend on making that determination. Personally I am more concerned about the 16 States that allow illegal immigrants drivers licenses than some stoner driving 30 in a 70 zone.

As was already mentioned, the pot trade is a mess. Crime of all types follows it, and the cartels here were the Mexicans.

One illegal grow site I know of got caught and bulldozed three different times only to be rebuilt. We're talking a hundred or more big greenhouses, all the irrigation and fertilizer injection systems, tens of thousands of plants, etc. completely bulldozed into piles. I heard through a contractor that was working for them that the on site manager said they could afford to do it three times, then they'd move on to another site, hoping the odds were in their favor and one or two crops would get through w/o being caught. Can you imagine spending many hundreds of thousands of dollars, even into the millions, building sites and losing them, time after time, and STILL there was enough profit to absorb those losses?

It's crazy to think of that being a sound business plan but I guess when there's that much profit it pencils out.

Fast forward, now the market has dropped out of pot here and greenhouses and all the associated supplies have been abandoned and left behind. Property owners that were leasing land to illegal growers are left with HUGE messes and no way to clean them up. The scale of the mess left behind is hard to fathom. Craigslist is littered with greenhouses, pipe, and misc supplies that were left behind. Some farms that used to grow hay or cattle now look like landfills.

Legalized pot creates a revenue stream for the state, which now needs a governance plan and enforcement division, so govt gets to do what it loves, which is grow and govern.

For those not familiar it may be hard to imagine how an illegal grow site can remain active with hundreds of giant greenhouses, hundreds of foreign workers living in shipping containers, etc, etc. They were in plain site, at least from the air, but there's that period of time in the early stages of legalization that the govt doesn't have enough enforcement to keep up with the number of sites so the cartels play the odds and roll the dice.

When they're stoned they have no business behind the wheel. Yet when stopped by law enforcement with personal consumption amount of weed most times they don't even receive a summons. So the rest of us are stuck with the possible damage they may do.

This is no different than alcohol. Responsible use is the issue. Some people will not act responsibly regardless of the the substance.

Not really.

Open bottle is a crime, open container of pot is not.

Driving under the influence of alcohol can be determined with a breathalyzer right on the side of the road, under the influence of THC cannot.

I put his comment on par with the left saying killing babies is also a constitutional right.

If an increase in personal freedoms causes some safety concerns I really don’t give a fugk.

the rest of us are stuck with the possible damage they may do.

If this forum existed in the 1920s this conversation would be about alcohol.

I'll bet the majority here "imbibe".

As deflave alluded to, security and liberty do not make good bed fellows.

Which do you want?

If an increase in personal freedoms causes some safety concerns I really don’t give a fugk.

Yep.

How do states make this determination?

What standards and testing devices are available to determine “impaired “?

You are the one that brought up Enforcing “Impaired “ laws, let’s have the data, devices and legal statutes that will allow them to do this. Other than Orange fingers and an empty bag of Cheetos on the floor.

Did George Washington grow hemp? Yes. Hemp was a well-known, multi-purpose crop.
Did George Washington smoke hemp? There’s absolutely zero evidence that he grew it or used it for recreational purposes.

Now that we have the essentials out of the way, we can have a thoughtful look at this subject once and for all. In the first place, there are two types of hemp:

Industrial hemp – the name of this hemp strain is Cannabis sativa. Washington grew this strain for both the bounty price paid by the Commonwealth of Virginia, and for “the production of rope, thread, canvas, and other industrial applications”[1] usage at Mount Vernon. Additionally, hemp was used “in repairing the large seine fishing nets that Washington used in his fishing operation along the Potomac.”[2]
Marijuana hemp – the name of this hemp strain is Cannabis sativa indica. It’s that third last word, “indica,” added to the strain name that makes the big difference.

What separates them is the amount of the two chemicals THC (TetraHydroCannabinol) and CBD (CannaBiDiol) present in the leaves. Marijuana hemp has higher THC (the stuff that gets you high) and lower CBD (the stuff that counteracts any high effects). Likewise, industrial hemp has just the opposite balance. It’s said that if you tried to smoke industrial hemp, you’d probably just get sick. Most industrial hemp has less than 0.3 percent THC in it. This is the strain Washington cultivated on all five of his farms[3] at his Mount Vernon land holdings. ...

...Well, there is one kernel of confirmable truth: Jefferson did grow hemp—but not necessarily "weed," as the post suggests.

While hemp comes from cannabis plants like marijuana, it doesn’t contain the same level of tetrahydrocannabinol—or THC, for short—the active chemical in marijuana that causes people to experience the "high" often associated with the drug.

State statutes, with the exception of West Virginia, define industrial hemp as a variety of cannabis with a THC concentration of no more than 0.3 percent. (West Virginia puts it at less than 1 percent.)

The level of THC in marijuana is not always the same and can vary depending on the strain or variety of the plant, the way it is grown, the part of the plant that is used and the way it is stored. Hash, for example, can have THC concentrations ranging from 10 to 20 percent, while marijuana cannabis (the dried buds and leaves of the plant) can vary widely in potency from 1 to 20 percent. It is also worth noting that the marijuana used today is stronger than it used to be.

Jefferson grew hemp both at Monticello and his other plantation, Poplar Forest, but it was primarily used (along with flax and cotton) to make clothing. Other founding fathers, including George Washington, grew hemp and Americans were legally bound to grow the plant during the Colonial Era and Early Republic.

But there is no record of Jefferson ever smoking the plant.

...Of course, breeders are eagerly trying to develop the most potent strains in the world. They have managed to create some knockout weed with sky-high THC levels. Yet even this process wouldn’t explain a sudden ‘increase’ in potency. They are simply mixing two or more existing strains. Perhaps Page’s point about manipulating strains by adding more THC is valid.

In 2017, High Times magazine wrote about Godfather OG, a strain with an incredible 34% THC. Just 20 years previously, weed had an average of 4% THC. Regardless of whether weed is more potent now, there is no question that the average American has more access to stronger marijuana than ever before.

If an increase in personal freedoms causes some safety concerns I really don’t give a fugk.

George Washington




Thomas Jefferson




[url=https://wayofleaf.com/blog/average-thc-content-over-the-years]Average THC Strength Over Time: A 50-Year Look at Marijuana Potency[/url]


Nice. Ever read their journals and not politifact?

...George Washington – Hemp Grower

There seem to be three distinct time periods in Washington’s life when he was expressing an interest in hemp as a fiber crop. The first was in the mid-to-late 1760s when he was becoming established as a plantation farmer and was naturally curious about any cash crop that could substitute for tobacco. The second period when, as president (and you might say “absentee owner”), Washington exchanged extensive correspondence from Philadelphia with William Pearce, his estate overseer, including giving very specific, “micro-managing” instructions for planting and growing crops. The final third period was when he was finished with his public service and was back at Mount Vernon for the last two years of his life.

From diary entries, ledger notes, and letters, George Washington seemed to have started growing hemp in earnest from 1765 on, with the most active year by far being 1766. Of note during these years, and much quoted on the Internet, are two diary entries:

Aug 1766

29. Began to pull Hemp at the Mill and at Muddy hole—too late for the blossom Hemp by three Weeks or a Month[31] (So… Washington talks about blossom hemp … the stuff you smoke?)

And,

Aug 1765

7. Began to seperate the Male from the Female hemp at Do.[32]—rather too late.[33] (Washington talks separating male from female hemp plants … aha! So that you can smoke the female flower.)

Armed with the solid “proof” that Washington talked about “blossom hemp” and separating male from female plants, marijuana advocates have made sweeping generalities ever since. It’s no fun to let the agricultural facts get in the way; specifically that the male plants (with the pollen) are distanced from female plants at a proper time in the cultivation cycle for the controlled breeding of seeds needed for the next year’s crop. Another benefit stated of that time: “This may arise from their [the male] being coarser, and the stalks larger,”[34] the fact that separated male plants yielded stronger fiber. But just two days following the tantalizing August 7, 1765 “separation” diary entry above, reads the anti-climactic entry of August 9:

9. Abt. 6 Oclock put some Hemp in the Rivr. to Rot.[35]

The word “rot” doesn’t make hemp sound too appetizing when grouped with the word “smoking”. (Hemp was rotted in the fiber extraction process).

Hey, then the next day, on August 10, 1765, there’s the entry:

10. Seperated my Ewes & Rams …[36]

But by more “separation” going on, this wasn’t necessarily proof that he would be smoking his sheep. Like hemp plants, he was just separating them for reasons of controlled fertilization. But sometimes it’s more fun to think that Washington was a stoner, even though every expose story ends with a disclaimer phrase similar to “although solid evidence is still thin.” Ya’ think?

Washington was an excellent business manager. Once he made the decision to spend the time and resources actually growing a certain crop, his purpose was to realize an economic profit or offset a cost (i.e. the expense of buying finished cloth) following his initial seed investment.[37] The crop was either used at Mount Vernon for food (wheat, corn), agricultural use (clover, hay), human usefulness (flax or hemp to make cloth or rope); or it was sold to individuals,[38] or for the bounty price.[39] Washington’s records show that in November 1767, he received a bounty amount of nearly eleven pounds (£11) from hemp sold to the colonial Virginia General Assembly. In June 1770, he received another £4 19s. 6d for his hemp harvest.
Washington’s Presidential Years

From 1789 to 1797, George Washington was fulfilling his two terms as president and living far away from Mount Vernon. First George and Martha were living in New York City, the first national capital, and then in Philadelphia, the second capital. During that whole time he only returned home a few times, sometimes when Congress had adjourned for a session. Another Mount Vernon stay was from March 31 to April 7, 1791, while he was on his Southern tour visiting citizens and gauging the feel of the rest of the country for their newly found liberty.

Once again we find that on the Internet (a very reliable source of information) that during these presidential years much is made of Washington’s hemp statements, at a time when Washington was almost never at Mount Vernon. Smoking hemp would be hard when you weren’t there.

Via long-distance mail, Washington had his estate manager start experimenting with “East India hemp” in these oft-quoted passages from Washington:

I also gave the Gardener a few Seed of East India hemp to raise from, enquire for the seed which has been saved, and make the most of it at the proper Season for Sowing.[40]

And:

Presuming you saved all the seed you could from the India hemp, let it be carefully sown agin, for the purpose of getting into a full stock of seed.[41]

(This quote, a particular favorite on the Internet, appears at the very bottom of a very long letter sent to Pearce from President Washington while he was living in Philadelphia. In fact, this sentence is just above the “P.S.,” like another afterthought. The entire body of the letter uses the words “seed” or “seeds” thirteen times, and the phrase “… Turnips; the Chiccory; and Botany bay grass-seeds …” four times. Other than this bottom-most “by the way” sentence, there weren’t any references to hemp.)

But the quote is “far out” anyway, because anyone knows that East India hemp is some pretty potent weed, or so is said in website posts. This is aside from the agricultural fact that the East India hemp strain of that time (also called “jute”) had a superior quality of fiber and resin to that of the common industrial hemp that Washington had sown thirty years before. Washington notes that fact in another oft-quoted-by-stoners letter to William Pearce two years later in 1796:

What was done with the Seed saved from the India Hemp last Summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sown again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have dissiminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.[42]

Did you read that? George Washington asks the estate manager to set aside India Hemp seed “for my own purposes”? Washington didn’t elaborate on what his purposes were. But regardless, any document describing the purposes seems to have gone missing or has gone up in smoke.

Widespread legalization has done one thing,it’s made urban areas all smell like skunk weed.

You can smell on the road and you sure detect it fur e walking around town.

Las Vegas is now permeated with cloud of skunk weed day and night.

It’s just a friggin’ plant that God put on this earth just like every other friggin’ plant. Legalize it, tax the Hell out it and enforce impaired driving & crimes involving it.

Geeze...maybe we could even expand our governments to help with all that!


More revenuers, more cops, more taxes more more more!

Who goes to urban areas?

You just equilibrated smoking marijuana with killing babies.

Geeze...maybe we could even expand our governments to help with all that!


More revenuers, more cops, more taxes more more more!

As a resident of a rural county, in a state, that has legalized growing...without any polling whatsoever...I can personally testify to the train wreck it has caused here. The human trash that grows for Asian cartels are the worst thing that has ever happened to us. Every crime under the sun seems to be part of the Cambodian/Hmong culture. It has bankrupted the local law enforcement budget, public healthcare budget, toxic waste cleanup, on and on. From murder, to selling puberty age brides, game poaching, theft, arson....We were a lot better off here when the local hippies were growing the dope, small scale black market.

Not really.

Open bottle is a crime, open container of pot is not.

Driving under the influence of alcohol can be determined with a breathalyzer right on the side of the road, under the influence of THC cannot.

Since 1971 we've spent over a trillion dollars on the war of drugs. Lost hundreds of law enforcement officers on the war on drugs. Incarcerated more than 200,000 Americans - many for minor drug offences. And we still have a massive drug problem and the cartels are still making billions each year.

It has been estimated that legalizing pot will save/generate more than $13 billion annually and will help to focus law enforcement efforts towards deadly drugs and those who peddle them. So legalize it, tax the hell out of it, and enforce impaired driving laws to protect the community.

Hemp was the wonder crop until the cotton lobby convinced legislators that hemp = marijuana = blacks raping white women.

Marijuana was a made up word.

There is no responsible use of THC-containing marihuana.

Gov’t is gonna get their hands on it whether it is legal or not, one way or the other. What do you expect “Big Brother” to do? Will they just say it’s legal and leave it all hands off & alone? That will never happen unless it is in your dreams.

There is no responsible use of THC-containing marihuana.

One can be "impaired" while driving without anything in your system.

Regards

If we wanted them to.


I get sick of all the "conservatives" that cry for more and more taxes.

If we wanted them to.


I get sick of all the "conservatives" that cry for more and more taxes.

I agree on the Taxes. One of my main rules is: Never, ever vote for any kind of additional new taxes. I was just pointing out realistically what “Big Brother” will probably do.

What is the legal limit of THC in the system that determines “ impaired “?

With alcohol we have .08 and can be tested on the side of the road with a breathalyzer.

What device is available to LE to test for THC that will determine “impaired” and does this roadside device stand up in court?

Having made quite a few DUI arrests, I feel somewhat qualified to argue with you here. Your driving behavior and results of the FST’s will provide probable cause for arrest. A blood test will be taken to determine the THC level of your blood. That will come up later in court.

Also…you aren’t going to get a breathalyzer test alongside the road. You may get a Preliminary Breath Test. That only adds to Probable Cause. The breathalyzer test will come later at the jail, if there is an arrest. The results of that are much more accurate and will be entered into evidence in the criminal trial, along with the lab results showing your blood THC level, if there is any.

The officer doesn’t have to prove, alongside the road, what the driver was under the influence of…only that they were impaired. The court will decide what it was.

Make cannabis a legal garden crop. Then attack Valium and opioid use by politicians that make laws based on making $$$ for themselves.

Why is it when ya always go into them dispensaries, it’s operated by some fàggots or some ponytail biker person that weighs 625 lbs?

Can’t they get like a polite skinny, grandma type to work there? I wanna feel like I’m not entering a circus freakshow or jackoff parlor.

Hemp was and still is used for rope and in that day it was the only rope available.

That's not "legalized" growing. Crime is still crime.

I voted against the local tax here in June.


It passed easily.

Beer, wine, whiskey, pot.......... pick one. What you chose to do after indulging in any of these is on you. Can someone explain where legal the difference between sucking down a six pack, a few shots or a few tokes on a fatty?

Why is it when ya always go into them dispensaries, it’s operated by some fàggots or some ponytail biker person that weighs 625 lbs?

Can’t they get like a polite skinny, grandma type to work there? I wanna feel like I’m not entering a circus freakshow or jackoff parlor.

Cancer patients? Helps with seizures too?

I would wager that there are many successful business people that you know who smoke weed or ingest edibles and you may never suspect that they do.

They did it since their teen years, have raised good kids, never got into trouble, and are active in the community.

You can't lump all users into losers, it's not the way it is.

Damn, bruh,

you back here making sense again.


Gonna get in trouble doin' that I tells ya

Smoking pot lowers testosterone levels and sperm count ..... period. So let's create a nation of nut - shriveled soy boys.

So, you know what a jackoff parlor looks like in order to compare a dispensary to one?

Sprayed one for roaches

Had a big Korean account clientele. The old gal had laundromat, massage parlor, sewing shop, Tempura, rral estate office. Them people are WORKERS.

I wonder. Is there a field test to determine the allowable limit of Cheeto dust on a driver's fingers to determine if they are impaired due to reaching in the big bag for the last few crumbs of baked to a crackly crunch?

Can a copper test the lips of a driver for Secret Sauce residue when, upon looking in the window and seeing a Jack in the Box to go bag, he suspects distracted driving because the driver swerved a bit while attempting to keep the sauce off their nice party dress?

So many questions................so few answers......................so far.

I was shootin silver bullets for a while.

Smoke an O-Z a week and fathered 3 choodruns

Illegal. Don't understand the meaning?

Sprayed one for roaches

Had a big Korean account clientele. The old gal had laundromat, massage parlor, sewing shop, Tempura, rral estate office. Them people are WORKERS.

It means the grow sites that aren't registered, regulated, and taxed by the state. Usually but not always large scale get-rich-quick grows, here today, gone tomorrow, sheisters. However you want to describe them, they operate for the sole profit of the growers and avoid lining the states pockets.


Isn't government great? They sell you permission to do something that anyone should have the freedom to do for free then they turn around and punish those that don't pay them their "permission tax". Same goes with all licenses. Should be allowed to work without having to pay the government to interfere with that work.

Also have heard many HR people and business owners tell stories of the "but I have medical card" response when someone isnt hired or is fired due to failing a drug test when the company has a No Drug Policy. What peop fail to realize is that its the business's insurance carriers mandating the zero tolerance policy due to the nature of work etc, not the business itself.

I would personally demand that every member of FedGov Executive/Legislative/Judicial branches be tested for ALL drugs and the results posted for the whole world to see. Wouldn't you like to see what drugs are animating PedoBiden or Diane Feinstein??

You can't lump all users into losers, it's not the way it is.

In my opinion, Cannabis should be removed from it's schedule 1 status and be legal to grow by anyone and should not be taxed in any way, shape, or form.

How about just to take the edge off the day as some many folks do with a drink? Or dessert?

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Do you know if they have the same standard for prescription opiates and benzodiazepines? Serious question.

In case you hop heads missed it for your next snack attack.

No, those drugs are not a Schedule 1 controlled substance ( no medical value), if prescribed by a physician they are legal, Marijuana is Illegal in all 50 States regardless if one has a state issued Medical Card.

When they're stoned they have no business behind the wheel. Yet when stopped by law enforcement with personal consumption amount of weed most times they don't even receive a summons. So the rest of us are stuck with the possible damage they may do.

Marijuana can’t be prescribed by a physician , a medical card is issued by the State, not the doctor and it is not covered by insurance

Same goes for old drivers.

But a doctor must diagnose you with with a qualifying condition. So doctors are not cut out of the loop.

Marijuana can’t be prescribed by a physician , a medical card is issued by the State, not the doctor and it is not covered by insurance

Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Rejection of Petitions to
Reschedule
Over the years, several entities have submitted petitions to the DEA to reschedule marijuana. In August
2016, after a five-year evaluation process done in conjunction with the Food and Drug Administration
(FDA), the DEA rejected two petitions—one submitted by two state governors and the other submitted by
a New Mexico health provider—to move marijuana to a less-restrictive schedule under the CSA.
Consistent with past practice, the rejections were based on a conclusion by both the FDA and DEA that
marijuana continues to meet the criteria for inclusion on Schedule I—namely that it has a high potential
for abuse, has no currently accepted medical use, and lacks an accepted level of safety for use under
medical supervision.

Its history dates back thousands of years, but in the United States it became popular
as a recreational drug in the early 20th century. Not long after its rise in popularity, the federal
government began to exercise control over marijuana and other substances through its taxing
authority, and it enacted criminal penalties for violations of drug laws.

The doctor makes a “recommendation” to the State, the State evaluates the recommendation and may or may not issue the card.

Several States that allow for Medical Marijuana will deny a Permit to Carry due to the possession of said card

Globalist types are all-in for drugging the population to make them docile and in need of more government services.

As far as states denying carry permits, I'm not sure how other states handle CCW permits but here they're handled by the cognizant County sheriff.

And will they deny or rescind a card for a cancer patient who is given a fentanyl script by their physician?

If not, they probably should based on the severity of possible side effects of that as opposed to May Jane.

Cancer patients? Helps with seizures too?

My Stepson passed from cancer.I don't what he was using but it was some kind of THC oil or some such. Whatever it was apparently it helped a great deal with the nausea. Now, I turns out I have cancer and some form of marijuana or THC would alleviate the constant feeling of puking your guts out, then I'm all for using it for medical reasons. Uncle Sam says it's a no no, no matter what and that pisses me off royally.
Guess I'd best not get stopped for any reason. Doc just prescribed legal opioids to help halt the explosive dire rear. Guess that would be OK, but a script for state legal THC would be a federal crime on my part.
Paul B.

No, I’m asking snowflake if he actually believes using drugs is a Constitutional Right that should not be infringed on.

I put his comment on par with the left saying killing babies is also a constitutional right.

It’s just a friggin’ plant that God put on this earth just like every other friggin’ plant. Legalize it, tax the Hell out it and enforce impaired driving & crimes involving it.

People have the right to ingest whatever they want. I don't need you putting words in my mouth about people selling drugs, making them, DUI's, etc.

It’s just a friggin’ plant that God put on this earth just like every other friggin’ plant. Legalize it, tax the Hell out it and enforce impaired driving & crimes involving it.

Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, and West Virginia have similar language which requires the holder of a CWP to be able to legally possess a firearm under state and/or federal law.

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Do you know if they have the same standard for prescription opiates and benzodiazepines? Serious question.

As far as our workmans comp and CDL vehicle insurers its a complete zero tolerance for ANY controlled substance on prehire, randoms, or post accident. One CDL driver even had a certification from his Doc that he was ok to drive on the small dose of pain pill he was taking but the Insurance carrier wouldnt allow him to be insured. I couldnt tell ya if this is standard but our broker does what he can to get us the best rates so this might be stricter to accomplish that?

I see the light. CDL changes a lot of stuff.

Marijuana should never be legalized. Working as an LEO for 40 years, I’ve seen the disastrous effects on society.

Ya sure it wasn’t Satan that put Marijuana on this Earth along with Coca, Opium, and others

. How about having a Booze Card that allows one to purchase alcohol, simultaneously denying the right of concealed carry to a Boozer.

So, although these states do not issue Booze Cards, they do deny the Right to Carry to a Boozer.

Am I supposed to support this too?

Because I sure as fugk don't.

. This is another place where the law is tricky to understand. Florida gun law states that you can carry with a permit in a restaurant, but not if it serves alcohol.
Since many restaurants have their liquor licenses, Floridians have tweaked this requirement.
If the main purpose of the establishment is to serve food, but you can buy alcohol with your meal: feel free to carry. If an establishment has a dedicated bar section, your gun is not welcome there.
If it’s a fully licensed bar with no other purpose, like nightclubs, carrying is illegal.

FL Carry Law and booze.


https://miamicriminaldefense.com/7-...out-florida-gun-law-and-weapons-charges/

It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...RL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.151.html

Does that mean I'm supposed to support stupidity?

Do whatever you wish.

It’s just the law in your state, obey it or don’t, it’s entirely up to you.

Lol..You can't argue with dopeheads. F'ck it...let 'em have it.

Idiocracy is inevitable.

Can you argue with alcoholics?

OK.

Thanks, Steve.

I wonder if it's OK for me to do that out here? Steve???

FL Carry Law and booze.


https://miamicriminaldefense.com/7-...out-florida-gun-law-and-weapons-charges/

It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...RL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.151.html

Can you argue with alcoholics?

Have to agree with varmint guy. If it’s legalized we’ll loose a few generations because of it. The argument about prohibition doesn’t hold water. No comparison. By that logic why not legalize fentanyl.

Have to agree with varmint guy. If it’s legalized we’ll loose a few generations because of it. The argument about prohibition doesn’t hold water. No comparison. By that logic why not legalize fentanyl.

He told me he was going to make money gaming, I thought he was full of chit, but damn he is. He does customer service for gaming companies, money transactions, etc. He works on one screen and plays games on the other.

So? I'd still carry, screw stupid laws.

Have to agree with varmint guy. If it’s legalized we’ll loose a few generations because of it. The argument about prohibition doesn’t hold water. No comparison. By that logic why not legalize fentanyl.

Do you carry in bars and in restaurants that make more than 51% of their income off of alcohol sales?
You do know that TX is the only State in the Union that makes it a Felony to do so.

Get caught with a carry gun in a bar in TX and you could lose your Second Amendments right for life.

I'm not doing anything for a cop to interact with me, so I don't worry about it. I seldom go to bars anyway.

In NC it’s illegally illegal to have any perceptual evidence of consuming alcohol while carrying a handgun. Not impairment, just usage. .

That’s to bad.

Here in MN it is perfectly legal to carry open or concealed in a bar, one can also consume alcohol while carrying up to .04 without issue. BAC of +.04-.08 is a misdemeanor with a small fine and the firearm is not subject to confiscation.

Over .08 and your permit can be suspended for up to 1 year, but not revoked. Multiple violations ups the ante however.

They should legalize it, then tax the living hell out of it, take a bite out of the cartels by doing so.

I am not a dope smoker. They should legalize it, then tax the living hell out of it, take a bite out of the cartels by doing so.

I have wondered how they are going to drug test employees when pot gets legal, DUI stops are going to be very interesting also. Driving while texting after smoking pot should get a lot of people killed.

The problem with that is there will still be a black market, dealers will just sell it cheaper than the legal stuff.

Get caught with a carry gun in a bar in TX and you could lose your Second Amendments right for life.

The problem with that is there will still be a black market, dealers will just sell it cheaper than the legal stuff.

Raise your hand if you think the money spent on marijuana enforcement has kept marijuana out of the hands of anyone that wanted to smoke marijuana.

Have you ever had dental work? ..................Without novocaine?

Ever have surgery?..................... without any form of opiod before, during or after?

If so, you're a whole lot tougher than 90% of us here.

I'm not doing anything for a cop to interact with me, so I don't worry about it. I seldom go to bars anyway.

Raise your hand if you think the money spent on marijuana enforcement has kept marijuana out of the hands of anyone that wanted to smoke marijuana.

Roger, next time you go out to eat at a place that also serves booze, be sure to ask for a manager or better yet the CPA for the business. Ask them if they make more than 51% of their "income" (is that gross or net???) on booze.

Do you get to subtract the value of the pineapple juice in your MaiTai, and the profit made on it, from their receipts for the purpose of determining the 51% threshold?

Hold into the 1.25’s


Sheesh

The problem with that is there will still be a black market, dealers will just sell it cheaper than the legal stuff.

No need to ask, business owners are already required to post signs indicating whether they are a 51% or not.

https://www.texas3006.com/signs.php

Back to the original question...yes or no..on legalization. In Calif as it was written on the ballot it sounded great. Some control of the industry, a new source of revenue, and freedom to put what you want in your body. Sounded like win-win. It passed comfortably. But greedy DEM legislature just taxed and regulated the product to the point it made black market dope profitable again. The cartels, Mex, Asian etc. had unlimited financial backing, the old hippies couldn't begin to compete again...so it's cartel run completely. The cartels had the money to hire the geneticists to produce the most powerful sticky resin bud ever made, and the grow equipped greenhouses to boost production to unheard of yields. Trouble was the cartels don't give a schidt about anything, environment, water, laws....it's profit here and now, all that matters. So my advice, regardless of where you are on personal drug use, if you care about long term, the land, rural economy, crime, water...vote no.

Let's make everything legal. Fentanyl, meth, weed, heroin. If you're an adult, decide what goes into your body

No need to ask, business owners are already required to post signs indicating whether they are a 51% or not.

https://www.texas3006.com/signs.php

Back to the original question...yes or no..on legalization. In Calif as it was written on the ballot it sounded great. Some control of the industry, a new source of revenue, and freedom to put what you want in your body. Sounded like win-win. It passed comfortably. But greedy DEM legislature just taxed and regulated the product to the point it made black market dope profitable again. The cartels, Mex, Asian etc. had unlimited financial backing, the old hippies couldn't begin to compete again...so it's cartel run completely. The cartels had the money to hire the geneticists to produce the most powerful sticky resin bud ever made, and the grow equipped greenhouses to boost production to unheard of yields. Trouble was the cartels don't give a schidt about anything, environment, water, laws....it's profit here and now, all that matters. So my advice, regardless of where you are on personal drug use, if you care about long term, the land, rural economy, crime, water...vote no.

MEDFORD — Over a million dollars in cash and 16 firearms were found when law enforcement raided a packing and shipping business in Medford that was a front for unlawfully shipping unlicensed cannabis.

After a year of investigating, Illegal Marijuana Enforcement Team (IMET) detectives along with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), and Southern Oregon High Tech Crimes Task Force (SOHTCTF) searched ProPack & Ship on the 2700 block of West Main Street in Medford the morning of May 13.

"The business is suspected of illegally shipping black-market marijuana throughout the U.S," said a release from the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. "The investigation identified a local business, residence, and multiple suspects involved in the illegal activity."

One of those suspects was 53-year-old Jonathan James Quintero, who the team interviewed at the business. Criminal charges are pending further investigation.

The second suspect, 28-year-old Matthew James Sachen was interviewed when detectives searched his residence on the 2500 block of Tahitian Avenue in Medford. Sachen's charges are also pending.

While searching the house on Tahitian Ave and ProPack & Ship, the detectives found $1,191,970 in cash and 16 firearms.

"The money seized is the suspected proceeds of the illegal shipping business and is being criminally forfeited through HSI," JCSO said. "This case is being reviewed by the Assistant United States Attorneys (AUSA) for federal prosecution and additional suspects have been identified."

Investigations are still open and ongoing with detectives working on additional leads.

Let's make everything legal. Fentanyl, meth, weed, heroin. If you're an adult, decide what goes into your body

Only if you want to.

Dude, selling eggs without a permit? I can't believe you posted that on a public forum, it's been nice knowing ya.

OK Steve, we get it.

You're afraid of pot smokers carrying guns.


But, probably not boozers, unless the state says it's OK unless their BAC is over some arbitrary limit in the State one happens to be in.

If I was given the choice of dealing with a drunk with a gun or a pot smoker with a gun, there's no doubt in my mind which one I'd choose.

OK Steve, we get it.

You're afraid of pot smokers carrying guns.


But, probably not boozers, unless the state says it's OK unless their BAC is over some arbitrary limit in the State one happens to be in.

LOL, I’m not afraid of pot smokers carrying and I’m not afraid of boozers carrying guns. I’m just pointing out the laws that already exist on the Federal Level and in various states.

You should actually check into these laws if you are going to carry, without me spoon feeding them to you of course.

I don't sell them silly, I don't have a permit to do so.

I may barter them for some paper coupons with fancy engraving on them.

I happen to collect paper coupons with fancy engraving.

7-21-2501. Definition of term huckster. Within the meaning of this part, any person engaged or employed in the business of buying and selling farm products who disposes of such products by selling them at retail to consumers by going from house to house is a huckster.

Need a premit in Montana to huck sheit

Well thank God for those laws because now drunk people won’t use or carry guns.

Let's make everything legal. Fentanyl, meth, weed, heroin. If you're an adult, decide what goes into your body

And if I don't go "house to house"?

And I don't live in Montanny either.

Oh, and I sell nothing.

I barter. If they had a pound of butter I'd take that in lieu of the paper coupons with the fancy engravings.

Well thank God for those laws because now drunk people won’t use or carry guns.

But Stoopid folks still can, right?

Are you advocating for legislation requiring an IQ test in order to carry?

Fine with me.

Yeah,

and let's make it OK to sell my neighbor a dozen eggs and some lettuce from the garden without having a permit.

Let's make everything legal. Fentanyl, meth, weed, heroin. If you're an adult, decide what goes into your body

As long as you make burglary, robbery, theft, larceny, etc. capital crimes, I'm all for it. Fuggers ain't supporting their habit by working.

Well thank God for those laws because now drunk people won’t use or carry guns.

Lol, I'd always drink a few beers before a match.

As long as you make burglary, robbery, theft, larceny, etc. capital crimes, I'm all for it. Fuggers ain't supporting their habit by working.

I would be totally ok for enhanced sentences if someone was under the influence and hurt another individual (assault, dui crash, etc). But if you're not bothering anyone, go for it.

Smoke it, snort it, shoot it....all of it.

Drug-related deaths have remained below the EU average since 2001
The proportion of prisoners sentenced for drugs has fallen from 40% to 15%
Rates of drug use have remained consistently below the EU average

You think ANYONE using crack, heroin, fentanyl, meth, etc isn't bothering anyone else? 99% of all crime is drug related in one way or another. And if you need a case study of just how fugged up legalization is, take a look at this fine state. Is that what you want nationwide?

There used to be drinking tents at Camp Perry for the shooters waiting on their relay to start.

This world is nothing but brainwashed clams.

You think ANYONE using crack, heroin, fentanyl, meth, etc isn't bothering anyone else?

Are you advocating for legislation requiring an IQ test in order to carry?

You don’t drink, good on you. You don’t list what State you are from, so I will ask, does your state allow firearms carry in establishments that dispense alcohol?

As a non-drinker you are still subjected to the same carry laws as a drinker in this regard in many states.

I live in Cali and have mentioned it so many times on this forum I get grief for living here.

I'm subject to a whole lot of laws. So many I may not follow them all to the letter every time, as it's likely an impossibility. Like reading every sign on a friggen door. I'd be half an hour on some days and they'd likely sell the last doodad I was after at the Ace Hardware.

I bet you follow every law, every day, all day long, in every action you take?

I would be totally ok for enhanced sentences if someone was under the influence and hurt another individual (assault, dui crash, etc). But if you're not bothering anyone, go for it.

Smoke it, snort it, shoot it....all of it.

Kinda seems like a double standard from the Molon Labe folks eh?

I honestly really don't care anymore. If adults want to put a substance in their body, go for it. Fug it.

Hate to break it to you but fentanyl is everywhere right now. I could go score some blues right now in 10mins. (Fentanyl is illegal fyi)

I absolutely hate the opiates but they flat out work when you need them.

I'll probably be going to an associate's son's funeral Saturday.

All we are is Cheeto Dust in the Wind ..

There is a local trap club thats entire reason for existence (mostly) was that another local club had a vocal minority of members that were teetotalers and cun.ts about guys having a few beers after work before stepping out on the line. Long story short, came to a head and a contingent of non-clams told the Rod & Gun to get fuc`ked. Started their own club where anything went (as long as you weren't stumbling retarded drunk) and the original clubs league night dried up and died.

Now the 'new' club, which is old at this point, is trending towards old and clam like membership as history repeats itself. Apparently three beers in a fella can no longer be trusted with a fully semi automatic single shot 12 gauge with a 34" barrel and 7 1/2s.

I love the lack of commitment in this sentence.

I would have to be drunk to shoot Trap because it’s that GD boring.

I don’t care if people smoke weed, I just wish it didn’t smell like javelina turds. Barf.

Personally I find no form of shooting “boring”, drunk or not. Any time spent shooting is a good time.