I have never seen a board with more annonymous posters than this one. Everyone is hiding behind an handle, or almost everyone.

Why?

I posted my name "Gene Langston" or my birth certificiate name of "William Eugene Langston" and invited people to google my name. (Under Gene.) I was advised by one of the regulars here by IM I'd made a mistake. He said someone might find my remarks offensive and call my boss, Sheriff Scott Berry, 706-769-3945 to complain.

As if I would say anything to you I wouldn't say to him. I think it is the ultimate mark of cowardice to hide behind a shield of annonymity, but I see why some people do. If it got back to their peers how they felt about certain issues, they'd probably be in for trouble.

I challenge you who are brave enough to stand by your convictions to also stand by your name. Your name was given by your parents, and if you've screwed it up, that's your problem. If you are afraid of some kind of internet retribution, it's groundless. I've been posting on all kinds of boards under my real name (in the profile section) for years.

Personally, I think it is reprehensible to insult someone annonymously. The mark of the coward who throws stones at the backs of schoolchildren.

Get some testosterone, guys. You women, I understand and don't blame you as you WILL get unwelcome messages if you use your right name. But guys, you ain't women, although this site, I must say, has a high precentage of those who act like they are.

Lighten up, Gene... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I give out my real name in PM's, at least I have so far. My initials will have to do on a public forum. Contrary to your experience I've know a few people that have run into problems using their real names.

Ditto - using your whole real name invites problems for some.

Many times it isn't about convictions or anything but simply a nickname used in familiar company. Or a nickname given to you in flight school (Pugs). Or you may be a fan of a particular brand or product. I worry less bout a dudes name than I do about anything else.

As to handles here vs elsewhere - I would say that here is less than others.

Notably AR.

I seriously doubt that if someone tosses an insult they do it because they "feel safe" behind a fake name - they do it to toss the insult and not to do a "drive by" posting.

Well, I'm not trying to harsh anyone's buzz, but what kind of troubles have you seen others get into? I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, I guess I've not seen it yet. Most of the people here are decent folks, and I don't see how anything that could really hurt them.

I agree with Gene.

100%

If you can't take the flak that comes with using your real name � at the very least, along with your location and occupation, in your profile if not as your on-screen "handle" � keep your opinions where they're safest (inside your gourd).

Otherwise has at least the unavoidable appearance of cowardice.

The decent folks on here aren't the one's I worry about..

..it's the indecent ones that lurk and collect personal info to be used for a myriad of illegal/harrassing/just plain wrong
activities that I'm leery of...

lol no problems here. generally dont give my name on the open forum, not because im afraid of someone getting it, but because ive had it butchered on other forums or it gets shortened to a name that gets under my skin. however if i pm someone or they pm me when i reply i include my first name and last initial. there are one or two on here who ive met in person who have used my name on the open forum, dont bug me. on another forum i frequent most use my name instead of my handle as ive done buisness with most and have chatted with them more or less on a weekly or daily basis for the last 4 years.

if it keeps your panties from getting in a twist, my name is Sheridan Shumway

Always use my real name in PM's. An internet persona does two things: 1) Gives a feeling of annonymity which causes people to say what they really think (good or bad). 2) Helps keep the identity theft down to a minimum.


SS

I agree that we all would like to be able to use our names but taking or giving flak - has very little to do with what a guy knows as your name.

EVERY person that has pm-ed me here typicaly has used their real name. It's the guy surfing the net and not posting I worry about.

I don't see the identity as a case of "not brave enough" or "cowardice". I'm more than happy to ID myself to anyone I feel has a need to know, and have done so with some members. More than a few have done the same with me.

Nowadays, it's not hiding per se, but a matter of privacy. Just because I can put up with the flak, doesn't mean I want to or must.

PM me if you want to know my real name, phone #, or address.
BTW - it's in the phone book! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I strongly disagree..................

I don't want to use my name.
I'll use a handle if I feel like it and the rest of you don't have to like it.
My handle is BETTER than anybody else's
I only use the very BEST handle because only the BEST is good enough for me
Therefore my handle MUST be the BEST
Any fool that doesn't use a handle like me is beneath contempt
Anyone that refuses to acknowledge that my handle is the BEST is a moron.
I'll be flying out to your area soon and we can meet and FIGHT about whose handle is best.

Ooops.......my handle IS my name......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />..........sooorrrry

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

JimF

Well OK.....Mr.Boilerpig1 of Texas. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

When you get to Tx., let me know and I would delighted to buy you an enchalada plate and a cold beer. I will shake your hand and introduce myself. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

There are a few places I don't like to see my name: On warrants, at the bottom of loan papers, on credit cards or on Al Gores world-wide internet. If this makes me a coward in your eyes then I guess I will return to the safety of my cellar. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Best to ya .. BP...

It's not so much anonymity, but the threat of identity theft, that is the real problem with real names on boards like these.

I can't remember the forum, it might even have been 24-hour Campfire, where real names and threats started flying. One of the guys in the argument was even posting aerial photographs of the other guys house.

One of guys I know personally picked up an email stalker. Since his email address was also his business address he put up with it for a long time hoping the stalker would tire out - he didn't. The stalker even gleaned the names of my pard's kids and referred to them in the messages. The stalker was smart enough to never send anything threatening, but the references were enough to be unsettling.

I tried but Dick Hertz was already taken.

I guess you can add sophomoric smart-ass to my title of coward. Methinks you take this internet forum stuff a little too personally/seriously. As ironbender stated, people will get it if/when it is needed.

Kind of nosey, ain't ya?

Since they seem concerned I'll PM my name, address and phone number to Gene and Dr. Howell.
Same for anyone else who can give me a reason they need to know

Ditto,

except Dr. Howell already has my info (Bought a scope from him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) and anyone can get my info from my website link...

badger

Now that the information has been passed along, I have two comments.
Every board I have ever been around, it has been common practice to use "handles"
Second, I may be wrong, but I think Rick has the job of making the rules here. When he rules that names will be used, I'll either comply or leave the board

I'm not sayin' this to be insulting, but it seems a touch naive for anyone, let alone someone in law enforcement to be posting an opinion like that. I don't need every Joe who may wish to do me harm for some reason to know my real name, or be able to locate it on the internet.

I belong to exactly one forum that requires the use of real names, that being a custom rod building forum. I've not seen another one yet that requires it.

I did naively post under a forum some time back under my real name, and it showed up on a search engine some time later. I don't need everyone that knows me knowing my business, where I live, or my telephone number.

I also know enough about computers and the internet to understand that I know SQUAT, and probably do not have anywhere near a full realization of just how much information can be gathered on someone with just a name, especially a name as unique as mine.

With the information you provided, I can likely give you back your date of birth, home tel #, and home address, all from a free internet search. (I obviously won't do it though in case you don't want that info out there).

Me, I'll protect my familly, myself, and my hard earned good credit better than that. I've made enemies. I'm sure most of us have, especially those who have worked in law enforcement.

I typically PM with my full name, but you won't see it on a public forum.

Dave R good point.

That said my real name is Abe Froman and I am the sausage KING of Chicago, maybe you know my brother Ron Mexico.

That said my real name is Abe Froman and I am the sausage KING of Chicago, maybe you know my brother Ron Mexico.
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LMAO! frankly i really dont care. given that most of my info is on the net somewheres and anyone who makes a half arsed attempt can find out where i live. not hard in a town of 3,000 and im one of the main ppl at the local newspaper. if someone wanted to track me down it would be quite simple. even so called secure computers seem to be getting hacked or just disappearing

Look in my profile and google me, you will even come up with a real picture.

I guess I just got tired of Nigerian Scams and a plethora of crap when I used my given name. I don't even like to use my credit cards on the internet regardless of the "proclaimed" secure connections. I have had some hacking, viruses and several attempts to get my identity. I just won't do it and any board that insists on personal info other than what I want to give will have me delete myself from it. It is my own personal security and that is all the reason I need.

Don't worry--he's the Law. The Law would never misuse information like that, would it?

From as early as I can remember I have been taught to use a handle in Naval Intelligence. Why?

You never know what is in another man's mind. Gene, people can and will track you down and harrass the heck out of you for silly things. Black and WHite hackers do it for fun. I know a lot of these guys. They want to exploit your name and information and social security and credit cards and credit report and whatever else the newest thing is. This board is a reserved and well behaved group of guys. But that cannot be said for anti-hunters, anti-gun, PETA, and other zealouts that want to crush you and get at you any way they can. They have lines of servers breaking into these kind of sites all the time to steal information. This is a fact and these groups have mucho dinero to fund projects.

I am not paranoid; this was my MOS in the Navy. It is real. If I disagree I might send a PM with my name. Why not. If I make a friend, I include my name. But otherwise, how many years will go by and you will forget about one day of information you posted online that may haunt you. You are not dishonest, but the hearts of some men are.

Best
National Security Agency

Navy does not have MOS - its rate or NEC within the rate. FYI.

All I can say is I've been posting on the internet since 1993 or so and PETA nor anyone else has ever attacked me.

You stand more of a chance of getting compromised when you use your credit card in a motel than here. And anyone should suppose that a true web guy already has all the information on you he wants or is interersted in.

So, if you're concerned about security, go for it. Just refrain from making rude and accusing comments about others.

However, if you use annonyminit's shield to call people ugly names and make groundless accusations or attack them, then you are a wimp.

And I see a lot of that here.

I accuse you as you accuse us. If you have a problem with a poster or posters, name names. Don't tar us all with whatever it is bothering you.

What you see as anon attacking against two people is prob a long standing fued you aren't privy to. You have not been here as long as some others so you may not know that 2 people know eachother better than the internet handle shows.

Honestly there are a-holes that will be insulting no matter whether they use their name or a handle, and folks with handles that are polite as can be.

I use my first name and last initial on most forums I post to, but I'd just gotten a 458 Lott when I started here, so decided to use a handle.

I've met a few folks here face to face, and have visited quite a bit with some of them. They are just as opinionated in person as on the net.

What I find more amusing is how wound up and p/o'd folks get about anonymose posts on the net. It's like my kids, when they see one of their siblings getting upset about something, they needle them to no end.

Given that we often discuss many of our personal holdings, there are many out there that I do not want to readily furnish an inventory for. Likely they are not the regulars here, but we do not know who else might be lurking. A little googling and map questing could put them on my doorstep with ease, and we often mention upcoming trips etc that would reveal pending longterm absences. Also, none of us are truly hiding. If the powers found some evidence that one of us was involved in less than shiny behavior, they could show up near your keyboard in short order. It's actually quite amusing how much personal information can be gleaned from these pages. Aside from the obvious material listed for each of us, many post pictures that yield things like house numbers and addresses as well as vehicle license numbers etc. The dark side figured out how to exploit the web long ago, so I would rather keep everyone safe instead of sorry. 1Minute

I would like to agree with you and Gene. But I've learned from 26 years teaching in public schools; it's best that everyone not know what car I drive, where I park it, or where I live.

I post here how many guns I own. I ain't gonna tell the whole lurking world my address and hang out a sign that says "come steal em".

I ain't skeered of anyone who posts here. It's the bazillions of people that have access to information posted here that wories me.

There's some bad people in the world who just might decide they don't like me very much for killing Bambi. I don't want to be watching my backside because of things like that.

So my handle will remain. My name will go to you in a PM. Those of you I've meet face to face or had dealings with I trust. There are a lot of others that read at this place and we have no idea who they may be.

Perhaps some of you low-tech Baby boomers don't realiaze just how much hurt can be dumped on you by someone who got a little too much information about you over the internet. It ain't pretty and it ain't easy to clean up the mess afterwards.

It's the INTERNET. It isn't real. I don't worry about it. JMHO and of course as always YMMV.

Gene L, how do we know that is your real name and who cares. This is the internet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Gene, Ken,

Would I be told Im just speculating and reading something in to this that just isn't there to suggest Im being called out with a couple of others as well Gene?

Im a coward then, according to your standards. I can live with that. I have been personally threatened, and from right here on the Campfire, by a regular. I have no doubt the person would have told the lies he threatened to tell, if had known my name and where I actually work.

Gene, I IM'd you about that because I believe it prudent advice, especially when you work for a politician such as a sheriff or DA. I think its clear from that IM I meant you no harm or ill will, and I meant it to just give my friendly $.02, and to be somewhat of an olive branch to let you know its not personal here atleast not for me. You weren't polite enough (I wont try to insult your manhood) to even reply with a thank you but I'll do it my way, screw you, or thanks I'll keep that in mind...nothing! Its clear to me you take this a little too personally.

Maybe you have a long standing history with your boss such that he'd back you no matter what. I don't know. I can tell you that I don't have that kind of relationship with my boss because he will tell you that nobody he has working for him can't be replaced, and I will take that espcecially mean the new guy. I personally don't know my boss well enough to know how he'd feel about me putting out my personal opinions here if he thought it reflected on him, but Im guessing from what I know about him he'd say something like "Well, its ok for you to have your opinions, but I don't like that one in particular that this person notified me of, and you can pick up your final check next friday. Nothing personal." And he'd be well within his rights. Im an at will employee, and he has to consider how voters think about him. I have seen it happen to another guy I used to police with. And when someone figured who he was and where he worked because he gave enough info on the net, somebody from the forum complained to the cheif about his attitude. He was told that when it came to work, he didn't have a 1st amendment right, and he almost got in trouble over it...just for offending somebody. As a matter of fact he had many of the same "Im blue and the world is against me" attitude you seem to have and that was what offended. Basically he was ranting against lawyers, inept prosecutors and defense alike, and telling people how it was, and they didn't have to like it, but that was the way it is, cops are never wrong...etc. So I have seen it go bad for people when they gave out too much info.

Gene? I tell you what sir. I think you're basically a decent hard working guy with some attitudes I disagree with somewhat, but not enough to make it a personal dislike. I will drive to GA and buy you a beer or cup of coffee and introduce myself to you, BECAUSE I think you're stand up enough to keep it in confidence here. You say the word and we'll work out a time and place.

Ken, when you can eat and drink again, and I hope that is very soon, I will fly out to see you and do the same, and consider it an honor.

I don't know Gene, anyone here can pretty much figure out my name and where I live since my last name is very rare.

I used to feel the same way, in other words willing to put my name to my opinions, but now I'm not so sure. Considering the nature of hunting & guns vs. the anti's, and considering that I have three teenage daughters, I'm now thinking it wasn't smart of me to put myself out there. Not really from any fellow hunter I have debated on gun control, but rather some PETA phsyco in CA who could google me, and be outside my home in a ninety minute drive from SF CA.
I really never fear anyone standing in front of me so much as the little bastard in the middle of the night. I have been thinking about pulling my name and going with a new handle, why risk it?

Yep, that's just the kind of chickenshit I'm talking about. You work for the Law too, except for a higher level, if you're telling the truth, and there's no indication that you are.

I wonder if you're pleasing your Boss with snide little comments like that? I'm glad I'm not in your shoes, Barak. I'd rather be an occasional hypocrite than a constant one.

Gene,

If you have been posting on the Internet for 13 years and you still don't understand why people prefer to use handles rather than their real names then you really are a slow learner.

The ability to state one's views anonymously is exactly why so many people chose to particpate in forums.

Being anonymous gives everyone equal status in a debate, since the participants can't "pigeon hole" their opponents and attempt to gain advantage in the discussion by simply disparaging the other person's background or experience.

As a relative newcomer to this forum, I have yet to encounter
any of the "wimps" you are referring to, as a matter of fact, most of the time when people don't like what I say here they tend to literally "kick my butt".

If you dont' care, it doesn't matter. If you do care, google it. Otherwise, your pie hole is open.

Some selected comments from a 2 month member with over 700 posts. I can understand his lecture as to why he feels insulted. And he damn well knows who I am now!
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You're no less guilty than the guy who shoulder punched doors. Personally, I think you're making this up and probably spent 8 years in jail, observing correctional officers while being some Bubba's punk boy.

That's wrong, and stupid. Unless you, yourself are totally corrupt, which I suspect. You violate your oath, and you get fired around here.

Guess you didn't havet the balls to stand up to your fellow officers, huh?

Wake up, punkboy

I think he's making a judgement based on what he would do.

I agree that you're estrogenically-enhanced. I'll bet you're wearing a mixpad right now.

How can you expect someone to give their name when they are so paranoid they won't even tell the state they are in. or is it a EGO problem. Hubert of Pa// <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I know Ron. My name is Art Vandalay and I met Ron at an architects' convention a few years ago.

Hey Art! How's business? Aren't you in rubber these days?

No, I'm in the inport/export business.

Yes, but you know my name. You don't know [bleep]'s.

GeneL,
I thought that you were going to leave us???
Said that you were spending too much time here....
I personally could give a rats ass if anyone puts personal
info on this site...Use to think differently,but not anymore...
Seems to me that your attitude aint so good...I avoid you
on purpose....
Bart

Gene,

Dude, you're an LEO. Ya think maybe that cuts into the identity theft or harassment problems?

What would you do if someone started making crank calls to your house? If any of those steps involve taking advantage of your badge then SHADDUP when you try to speak for the rest of us.

Coss, where's George? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'll give you my first name and the last when and if you need it. Why do so many celebritys and writers use fake names?

Dave.

Actually, I was fibbing. Tell .280 that my name is actually Tommy Tubberville. But, my friends call me "Ears" and although the last few years have been good, I swear that I saw Fred Talley running by my house the other night.

If someone made crank calls to my house, I'd track them down and kick their ass. And that's available to anyone with a phone with a callback number.

So, I'm not to worried. Hang up on crank calls, and if they continue, follow the instructions in the phone book.

Gene,

I replied, and made an offer above. Too tough for you to man up to my mano y mano offer? You've taken all this too personal that you have to know my name, but don't want to deal with me face to face as a human being and a man? Kinda makes one wonder about your motives for wanting my identity now don't it?

If this is just internet debate you don't need my my name...if you want to know me personally, then you want to know me personally. Offer to buy coffee or beer stands...I'll do the driving.

730 posts in a month in a half...Hmmmm?
Threats...Hmmmm?
What am I thinking?

Gene L. or what ever your real name is, it does not matter if it is Shirley, Pam or Susan. If you prefer Gene thats just fine. but my question to you is< did you come here looking for a fight or are you just trolling for information for some secret government orginazition? Do you have your super secret invisable decoder ring?
I am not going to tell you who I am I own from 1-100 guns and I don't want just any one to know how many or which rock I hide them under. Or could be you are just a cop and its your nature to be nosey.

Bullwnkl. thats B U L L W I N K L simple to spell not too hard to find.

Hello everybody, my name is Mac. That is what my pards call me. It's part of my last name. If anyone doesn't like it.....


Mac

Gene,

I'll stand on other's replies...seems your view is not near the majority's. 'Same as it ever was" "Same as it ever was"

Don't go away mad, just...go away!

Can't fathom why chit is taken so seriously. Life must suck for some.

If my a$$ was the only one on the line, posting my name on the forums I visit would not be a big problem. That is not the case for me however, as I have young daughters and a wife that happen to live at the same residence as myself. If some freak brought harm by finding my residence through my name on a forum, then I would be to blame.

I will give my first name in a PM, as a courtesy, but until I meet someone face to face, my last name remains on a need to know basis.

RO

Yes, you're one of the pussies I refer to. And I appreciate that you stand on your former replies. I'd feel disappointed if you changed your attitude.

If the POAA or the FOP ever gets hold of your posts, you're probably finished as a assistant DA. Not that I would notify them.

I personally feel I'm in better company with Ken than I am with you.

You just have to go with your gut....and not everyone is gonna feel the same about posting private info.

When all else fails...there is still common sense, unless you are retarded.

There are a lot of people on this board that have my info...and could show up on my door step, tomorrow. I worry none.....most of them I consider friends...and we talk on the phone...meet up...exchange chit...etc...even had one of the freakier fookers pass out in a drunken stoop on my floor<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />!

Sifting out the azzholes is easy...but ya don't want the world knowing how to find you, and what you got!

JMHO.

HoundGirl

Hmmmm.

700+ posts in a month and a half.

Claims to be a LEO and a "counter sniper".

Consistently abbrasive.

Threatens veteran posters.

Picks up his ball and goes home,then comes back and stirs up more trouble.

This all screams either 12 year old on summer vacation or someone who definetly isn't an LEO.

If they are an LEO,they are slacking off on the job and need to have some anger managment classes.

WB.

Ya never did post the pics of that gent cross dressing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I agree with HG..

No rule says we have to post all our vital info and if we don't feel comfortable letting all that lurk read our personal info then that's our choice. I've met many AK people since my arival and havn't regretted it yet..though havn't met the infamous S'head yet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

ELF <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I think that it might be time to go fishing....

I believe in the integrity of being accountable by using my name.

Is their a security threat from doing that on the Internet? I doubt it. If any of us are targeted by someone good enough get all our info and handle is no security blanket.

I think the guy needs to get out the house more-he's averaging 20-21 posts a day.

I post as much as anyone here,and during the same period of time he's been posting here,I averaged about 6 posts per day.

Chances are he's no 12 year old since he's obviously very knowledgeable about the constitution.Of course so was I when I was that age and had to study it every day to graduate junior high school,FWIW........

WB.

Yeah, but Bama fans call him 'Mister Tuberville'. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

So let me get this straight.

You're upset with people taking potshots at you from behind handles--specifically potshots like this one, where I called you "the Law" and (you seem to suspect) cast aspersions on your integrity regarding such things as the misuse of identity information. Right?

However, you're implying by your objection (and by your use of the term "coward") that if you did know who I was, I wouldn't have the courage to make a remark like that...and the only reason I can think of that you might think I would be afraid to would be the danger that you might track me down and punish me for it.

Which is precisely the point made by my remark about you in the first place.

Isn't that embarrassing?

I've only had one negligent discharge in my life so far (double slamfire from a MAS 49/56)...but when I did, I didn't just keep blasting away. I immediately packed the gun up and took it home, and I didn't shoot anymore until I had done a fair amount of thinking about the whys and wherefores of it.

You've apparently forgotten your studies in high school. I haven't having to deal with them on a daily basis.

Maybe you should review your high school texts?

Barak, just to be clear, I think you are a fraud.

But you ill be judged by a higher Authority. Hope it works out for you.

"and I won't let the screendoor hit me on the way out"

Too late. Another missed opportunity.

1flier

I use a handle because it has taken me almost three years to get myself back from an identity theft, from an internet forum. I do not use my own name, nor do I puchase any thing by credit card on the internet. I use a nick that I feel discribes me and in fact I have been recognised by it on a few of the other boards I frequent. I guess being a retired blind cop is unique in a way.

Gene,

Barak is no fraud. No doubt he's "skewed" in unique way <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and I think his ideas on government are completely unrealistic. Regardless, he is a solid, reliable individual who shoots straight, and the Higher Authority has already exempted him from the coming judgment.

Barak is not one who needs to be an enemy, and he is one of the few guys that can strongly disagree with you and still be aimacable towards you.

And aint he a cute little monkey?

1flier

Well, I have to admit it, I went & wussied out, just can't see advertising who I am and where I live any longer, just doesn't make sense. I reverted back to an old nickname from twenty years ago.

There are only about ten other people in the country with my last name, all in CA, & all related...just too damn easy.

Gene, it drives you crazy that you don't know who Barak is, doesn't it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Penny

Funny....I don't have a single problem with anyone on this site, even the azzholes......boring as they may be, even in their expertise, it's the Me Too Dogs that always get me laughing....and shaking my head in embarassment.

Mr. B is harmless, and relatively rational....and although I don't always agree with him....you'd never find him hitting below the belt with idle name-calling, and endless chit-talk...he is who he is....and never needs a "Me Too Dog" to back him up....he is his own man...and anyone is free to take it or leave it.

In the end, when everything is hashed out, unless you know the person...we are just all internet personalities...live and let live.

Like life, this place has a lot of good people...unless there is something wrong with your sifter.....it ain't hard to ignore the idiots....

HoundGirl

Bighorn's my real name!
My first son was called Little Bighorn.

His first fight at school was called, well.......

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Don't pay any attention! This obviously is not the real Gene L. The real Gene L. left this forum. This is one of those not-to-be-trusted identity thieves. The real Gene L. wouldn't say one thing and then do another, would he? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Penny

Well, it's good to know that we're clear on that.

On the other hand, I'm quite sure you're not a fraud.

(Well, except about the whole "I'm leaving" thing, of course.)

Hey folks looks like we might have a latent troll on board, just slow at getting ramped up. Might not be twelve but 15 comes to mind.
so Gene tell us about your self, cop, sniper, bicycle seat sniffer. I read your Bio, looks impressive if you are who you say you are then you certainly must understand folks desire not to get hit by webb theives or you are one which is it?
Troll or good guy? I was Bullwnkl when you were dropping soft gooie loads in diapers. Why not use my Handle I am proud of it. if you or any one else wants to find out who I really am just send me a PM, I will then decide if I want you to get to know me.

Bullwnkl.

Aw, he's a deputy sheriff and I'm sure he's used to being able to ID just about anyone he wants. So it's driving him absolutely nuts that he can't look up anything on Barak because he doesn't even know what state he lives in.

Now as for me, there are a number of people here around the 'fire who I am very fond of, and I don't know what their real names are. What difference does it make? A person is who he is, no matter what his name is.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Some people (one in particular) need to get a life...

Penny

.....That was 5 days and 78 posts ago.....

No, I'd rather not know.

Riiiiiiight.

Penny

Gene,i've posted before my Handle story:i'm Dave and was called an "Average shooter"proceded to whup the snot out of this practical tactical ninjafied heartbreaker lifetaker....hey! he was in Law enforcement too and his $4000.00 handgun.As far as your attitude to .280 barak and i reckon by extension barak's womn,never met .280 don't know his real name and you'll have to search long to find this Bama man to say anything bad about him we disagree...but we agree to disagree.Barak? ok maybe he's Liberal...is that bad? should "we" as Redneck right wingers refuse to acknowledge other points of view? i don't even if they are wrong.As to Penny(Said in my best Southern Ainglish)I do not cotton to so called Men who wish to argue with Ladies it's simply not proper,not proper at all.i have found nothing but polite discourse here at the fire,if that bothers you Sir please do not tarry.

Gene,
If you are a police officer, then you know that there are a 1000 ways to screw someone over without being directly connected to the specific action and make someones life hell. You should also know that there are some seriously sick minded sociopaths floating around who don't need any reason other than they wanted to screw you over to mess up your life for the fun of it. Yes the right person with the right knowledge can find out just about anything he wants about you on the internet; even if you try to hide your personal information on a forum like this one that allows "handles". Why should anyone make it easy for the evil people of this world.

You are a troll and or a moron of the first order. Please leave. Yes that is a derogatory acccusation by some anonymous person hiding behind a keyboard. Live with it.[color:"red"] [/color]

We didn't study the constitution in high school.At least I didn't.

On the subject of knowing people's real identities on here,I thought I'd tell a story that hasn't been told here yet,which should.

A past regular poster here (who is now an occasional poster),got on the wrong side of some of some past regulars.

Somehow they found out his name and address-how,I don't exactly recall,it may have been through a classifieds transaction or some such thing.They signed him up for some "swingers" type stuff on the internet,then printed the info out that showed that he was a part of such activity.They then mailed said info to his wife's boss.

If THAT doesn't get the point across that it isn't real bright to give out your personal info willy nilly on here,then I don't know what does.These little internet headbutting contests can go one step too far when [bleep] like that starts happening.

WB.

Hey Gene - your other real name ain't Bill Tibbe by any chance...is it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I'm in no way a comnputer geek type dude, so when I got on the 'net with the help of my buddy, he said "Well, we don't even have to search for a nickname for you!"
My friend has called me Catnthehat since he has known me, which is quite some time, way before the movie!
I never gave it much thought, but use my given name on some of the competition boards that I am a member of.
Cat

Where do I know that name from?It sounds familiar and I don't recall it fondly.

FYI,I'm not being sarcastic.

WB.

I think he used to post here. Always going off about illegals or the minutemen or something. Not a whole lot about shooting IIRC -- I neve had a problem with the guy - just was my impression of him. If we are talking bout the same guy.

I was gonna say this Gene has turned more DFC-ish lately.

BT was a jackhole that soiled the campfire. Search the name if you really need more. just one more A..

I recall DFC.Nothing good.

WB.

Easy there Mike, I know where you live, well kinda, and if gas wasn't so expensive, I'd drive down there and uh buy you a beer or something.

I ain't hard to find, Fairbanks is a small enough burg, ain't too many hairdresser/philosopher/ex guides around named Randy that I'm aware of.

If I disagree with you, you're liable to know it, if I feel like you treat me with disrespect your liable to get that hint fairly quickly too.

If you want to dot my eyes or harass me, you missed being first in line along time ago.

If you want to do me or mine harm, bring a lunch.

Dieing can't be that hard, lot's of folks have done it before me.

It's this living thing that's tricky.

Lot's of good info and good folks here, a few that are having a bad day occassionally, some that seem to have a lifetime of bad days.

Some like to tease, others like to get onery, to me it's still worth it for the camaraderie and the knowledge I glean from this place. YMMV

Now I *think* I remember where Tibbe's name seems SO familiar.

I was doing a search recently for a Beeman Kodiak pellet rifle.I ran across an add on Graybeard Outdoors selling one,and Tibbe's name was attached to it.

It was attached to it because Graybeard was running it for Tibbe's daughter,who was selling all his crap because Tibbe had died.

Now I can't say with 100% certainty that it's Tibbe that I'm remembering,but I tried to go back and search and they're doing work on the site so I couldn't check.But I'd bet 10 to 1 I'm correct in my memory,as it was only a week ago.Plus,I'd seen a posting for his death on another board.

If he did die,it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

WB.

OMG, less than two years and barely eighty posts and I've made "Me Too Dog" status. You make me blush.

I think it would be a stretch to think of me as piling on, and as far as defending Barak...I think he's well equiped to defend himself. I don't know the man but I can see he is well educated (and I like the Barak's avatars) and spoken and that he contributes a great deal to the campfire, as do you, Houndgirl.

I try to follow the example that Mr. Coleman has set. He rarely if ever shows any animosity towards anyone. I have a ways to go but I keep trying.

Sorry I embarrassed you and I like your avatar too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

1flier

Im trying not to over-think or over analyze you Gene. Im pretty sure I have met many like you over the last 12 years. Any time I have offered to make nice with you, you have totally ignored me. You constantly, and not just with me, go straight after challenging people's manhood. Thats a clear sign you think you have to constantly prove yours. I know guys that think like that. Silly IMO. Im very comfy with my manhood. Calling me "one of those pu$$ies" is not fighting words to me...Im above that...you're not. Your childish taunts of that nature towards others has rarely been taken as a challenge by the intelligent people here, yet you continue. Gene, your problem is like you said above. You wouldn't say anything here that you wouldn't say to your boss. Its tough for me to believe that he'd let you run around his county calling people "one of those pu$$ies" because you disagreed with them on a debatable point. Actually, the police department I worked for wouldn't tolerate me talking like that to anyone, included a perp. It's obvious you work in an atmosphere that lets you constantly challenge people's manhood, call names when you disagree, and generally feel the need to make sure you have the most testosterone in the room, and God only knows what else your boss would tolerate professionally from you. Pathetic really, at your stated age of 62 IIRC, that you're still thinking you have to prove you're a tough guy, manly man, and evidence IMO, that you're of a lower, average, but lower average intelligence. You respond to debate by calling people cowards, pu$$ies, saying they wear maxie pads...and all manner of school boy tactics. If I were in a public place where I work, and I called people out like that for disagreeing, Id be fired, immediately! I have said many things on here that some disagree with. I have said only couple of things I wanted to take back...and to the couple of people I directed them at I went to them personally and apoligized and tried to learn from my mistakes. Their response, to a man, "Dont sweat it, aint nothing personal here." That was it.

I see you as an old man, used to your absolute power over the simple country folks you police, and you grinding your teeth everytime somebody disagrees with you here because you don't have to tolerate that on the street where you work, and wanting our names so you can deal with us personally. I made the peace offer, it still stands, but if you wont have a beer or cup of coffee with me in person, then you damn-sure don't need my name!

By the way, I don't know other places you post, but I have never seen a forum where giving ones real name was the norm. And twice you've threatened to leave, not just this last time, but about 2 months back as well, when everybody disagreed with you...yet you're still here.

WOW--What happened here folks. I leave yesterday afternoon to take my old man to see the lowly Nats get trounced by the Phillies and came home to a hot one. I have received private mailings taking me up on offers of gift certificates I had and could not use, I have answered each and every PM I have received, I have given legal advice when asked by PM and I have PM'd those I would like to say something to or to apologize when I lost some of my family taught civility. Each time I have mailed something to a member I have enclosed my card with a note for good wishes. There isn't anyone on this forum who I would refuse assistance to if they asked for it. Near 97% I would love to sit with at a dinner table , even in my home.I have posted my real name a couple of times ,so anyone could take that and look in Martindale Hubble or the net and get my complete bio.I do not care.As to the discourse, Yeah, I disagree with many but I respect the discourse and I often learn. Not only would Barak and Penyy be welcome in my home, I'd love it if he could come to work with me for a few days ( kind of like show-and -tell) I disagree with many of his positions but in my Family/criminal law practice , 50 % of the folks disagree with me each and every day. 280-I wish you'd pay me a visit so you wouldn't have to wait till November to kill a deer.The list goes on and on as to the really neat folks Ive associated with as you all kindly helped through the early(still early) stages of my membership. Hell--Coss and I got off to a bad start but I wouldn't hesitate for one minute having that man defend me if I was in a jam.Really the list goes on and on and I'm entering the realm of babble--Sorry. Gene-that invite for a meal and/or hunting stands for you anytime as well. If these folks wish for some semblance of privacy ( for whatever reason) just respect it. It is their right.I hope you don't leave as you do offer food for thought in the threads you post. Just let the others post their thoughts in their way of privacy if that's what they choose to do. I'm plenty cool with that.

WOW--What happened here folks. I leave yesterday afternoon to take my old man to see the lowly Nats get trounced by the Phillies and came home to a hot one. I have received private mailings taking me up on offers of gift certificates I had and could not use, I have answered each and every PM I have received, I have given legal advice when asked by PM and I have PM'd those I would like to say something to or to apologize when I lost some of my family taught civility. Each time I have mailed something to a member I have enclosed my card with a note for good wishes. There isn't anyone on this forum who I would refuse assistance to if they asked for it. Near 97% I would love to sit with at a dinner table , even in my home.I have posted my real name a couple of times ,so anyone could take that and look in Martindale Hubble or the net and get my complete bio.I do not care.As to the discourse, Yeah, I disagree with many but I respect the discourse and I often learn. Not only would Barak and Penyy be welcome in my home, I'd love it if he could come to work with me for a few days ( kind of like show-and -tell) I disagree with many of his positions but in my Family/criminal law practice , 50 % of the folks disagree with me each and every day. 280-I wish you'd pay me a visit so you wouldn't have to wait till November to kill a deer.The list goes on and on as to the really neat folks Ive associated with as you all kindly helped through the early(still early) stages of my membership. Hell--Coss and I got off to a bad start but I wouldn't hesitate for one minute having that man defend me if I was in a jam.Really the list goes on and on and I'm entering the realm of babble--Sorry. Gene-that invite for a meal and/or hunting stands for you anytime as well. If these folks wish for some semblance of privacy ( for whatever reason) just respect it. It is their right.I hope you don't leave as you do offer food for thought in the threads you post. Just let the others post their thoughts in their way of privacy if that's what they choose to do. I'm plenty cool with that.

WOW--What happened here folks. I leave yesterday afternoon to take my old man to see the lowly Nats get trounced by the Phillies and came home to a hot one. I have received private mailings taking me up on offers of gift certificates I had and could not use, I have answered each and every PM I have received, I have given legal advice when asked by PM and I have PM'd those I would like to say something to or to apologize when I lost some of my family taught civility. Each time I have mailed something to a member I have enclosed my card with a note for good wishes. There isn't anyone on this forum who I would refuse assistance to if they asked for it. Near 97% I would love to sit with at a dinner table , even in my home.I have posted my real name a couple of times ,so anyone could take that and look in Martindale Hubble or the net and get my complete bio.I do not care.As to the discourse, Yeah, I disagree with many but I respect the discourse and I often learn. Not only would Barak and Penyy be welcome in my home, I'd love it if he could come to work with me for a few days ( kind of like show-and -tell) I disagree with many of his positions but in my Family/criminal law practice , 50 % of the folks disagree with me each and every day. 280-I wish you'd pay me a visit so you wouldn't have to wait till November to kill a deer.The list goes on and on as to the really neat folks Ive associated with as you all kindly helped through the early(still early) stages of my membership. Hell--Coss and I got off to a bad start but I wouldn't hesitate for one minute having that man defend me if I was in a jam.Really the list goes on and on and I'm entering the realm of babble--Sorry. Gene-that invite for a meal and/or hunting stands for you anytime as well. If these folks wish for some semblance of privacy ( for whatever reason) just respect it. It is their right.I hope you don't leave as you do offer food for thought in the threads you post. Just let the others post their thoughts in their way of privacy if that's what they choose to do. I'm plenty cool with that.

Interesting. It's a long story that you can probably find two or three iterations of here on the Campfire if you search, but years ago I was many times mistaken by cops for a perp, and in all but one case I was treated much worse than Gene L has treated anyone here; in that one case it was an old white-haired cop who finally explained to me what was happening and how to avoid it (noticed that the guy I was being mistaken for was twenty years older than I, nine inches shorter, fifty pounds heavier, and black).

If what you say about your department is true, perhaps it's not particularly common.


You probably know this already, but it's officially called an "opus." You know, "You guys don't properly appreciate my brilliant intellect and scintillating personality, therefore I'm outa here and boy are you gonna be sorry. So there." If you've been on the Internet any time at all, you've probably seen a number of opuses. ("Hey guys, wanted to let you know that I'm about to head into some life changes and probably won't be posting for the next few months" is not an opus.) The common feature of almost all opuses is that they don't work: the poster has to stick around to see how it's received, and almost invariably is compelled to respond to something said about it. Both Gene L and Steelhead have recently posted opuses. and they're both still here, for example.

If I may toot my own horn a bit, here's an opus that worked: http://oregonconcealedcarry.com/index.php?showtopic=1701&hl=

Here's another clue for Gene, and his attitude.

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerouser?cmd=viewprofile&id=16061

Then click on the link to go browse the forums and click random profiles to compare "user ratings". Seems Gene is quite unpopular in many circles...or at least in those places where he can't prove how manly he is by knockin' heads, and by cuffin' and stuffin' you.

But did you go back to read the responses?



Gene I think you really missed the mark on this subject; regarding the use of an alias as interpreted as one looking for a way of hiding from their opinions. I don't believe that of most here, I believe most here would state the same opinions face to face.

I had my name out here for two years and never had a problem, but now I have decided on an alias, The alias is for family security, security from theft, security from the unknown, not as a way of stating an opinion that I don't have the nads to back up. I'm sure there are kids out there that use an alias for your stated reasons, but I'm pretty sure most I have debated here would re-state their same opinions face to face.

As an LEO, I believe you must understand that train of thought.


As I disagree with Gene on this subject I also disagree with the tactic of attacking and piling on over one of rebutal or ignore...this is really getting out of hand.

Thanks, Isaac.

As a matter of fact, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all you fellows who have said nice things about me for the encouragement.

Recently I was talking to my rabbi about the Kairos weekend I'll be leading in October, and my reflections and insights regarding it. Around that time there was some hot thread or other about something or other and I was deep in the thick of it--like I normally am--and some newbie came in and called me a name. Instantly, everybody (well, it seemed like everybody) jumped in and started defending me, some folks in terms that made me blush. I mentioned that thread to my rabbi and used it as an example.

I said, "With that Kairos weekend coming up, the devil is going to be using whatever he can to sabotage me, and one handicap I definitely don't need is a big head."

He said, "Well, how do you respond to material like that?"

I said that it generally made me uncomfortable. I have a much longer history on the Internet of being acidly and expertly reviled from top to bottom, morning till night, than I do of having anyone hold me in any real esteem, and once I grew to be comfortable with the former reaction, the latter tends to leave me somewhat nonplussed. (No one should feel sorry for me, of course: I gave as good as I got and in some cases even gooder. I thought it was fun.)

So, I said, usually I just let it go by and don't respond at all.

Oh, no, he said, don't do that. If people offer you a part of themselves like that, it's really disrespectful and insulting to completely ignore the offer, refuse to acknowledge it, or act as though it had never been made.

Hmm, I said; I never thought of it that way before.

Then garryc gave me a taste of my own medicine on the MRSA thread, where I said nice things about him and he completely ignored me (probably for the very same reason I've been doing it). The way that felt was quite instructive; I'm glad he gave me that opportunity.

So...I want to apologize to all of you folks who have been nice to me in public and have been totally unacknowledged. I appreciate your sentiments even if they do make me uncomfortable. I didn't mean to make you feel bad, and I'm going to try not to do it anymore. I'm awfully accustomed to the old ways and don't know much about the new...but I'm going to give it a try anyway.

Yah--that's the point. It's tough to read what people say about you when you've given them permission to act as though you're not in the room...and resist the temptation to jump back in just to clarify something, or to rebut a completely uncalled-for attack, or defend a point, or for whatever other purpose you can rationalize to yourself is justification for breaking your opus.

Making an opus stick is hard work. Having done it myself, I respect all the more other folks who do...and am inclined to extend grace to folks who don't manage it.

Barak - that type of post there is exactly why people who don't agree with you defend you. I am mostly intrigued by your positions on things, some I wonder about others I agree with but the way you present them has earned the respect of many here.

Respect does not mean total agreement -- It's something eaned during the disagreements.

I don't know of anyone who doesn't at the least respect you. Well Gene seems to have a hair in his soup but other than that....

Barak,

I have never tried to defend you. I think your more capable of that than I. But I do hold you out as a shining example of someone that I almost always disagree with, yet can still respect, and would certainly have a beer with and enjoy a nice discussion. I don't think I can say I have ever seen you get down in the dirt with you posts, something I have been guilty of and am ashamed of, and your comment are usually very lucid.

If you're ever down in Dixie, I'll be disappointed if we don't get to share a meal, a drink, or cup of coffee.

Randy-
I'd tell you where I live, via PM of course. You and your family are welcome here and when you show up, I'm buying the beer!

Start telling me what personal information I have to put on the internet or I'm a puszy...you're SOL!

That said, having read your posts giving me an incling to your philosophy, and having drunk your beer at YOUR home, well, we're right back to you being welcome at the house or camp m'man!

Barak,
I looked up the word 'opus' in my Webster's dictionary that I have on my hard drive and it doesn't have the definition you give. There may be many definitions and Webster's may have just used the one describing a musical work. Where did you get your definition?

I thought, briefly, about playing with your head and telling you that I think you're wonderful, wise, witty and charming but decided against it lest some think I was a little 'little light in the loafers'. You are a pretty nice guy, all things considered, but tend to have a tad of Machiavelli in you.........or so it seems at times.

"Swan Song" is a good euphemism, and I'm guilty as charged.

Whatever happened to that Federal hubub about attacking or harassing folks anonymously on the web? Has that ever been used in court? It was just announced last Winter if I recall, so maybe not.

Boy Hi Deee, I just waded through this whole thing. Not sure it was worth the effort but was entertaining in spots.

Anybody wants to know who I am look at my profile, I think it is there I haven't looked myself in quite some time.

I use Boggy Creek Ranger because that is what I am or rather was. I've told the story as to why several times and don't intend to do so again.

Maybe this is just a unique place but every poster that I have met in person has been just what they protrayed themselves to be. Some thirty or so now and some that no longer post.

Now I will admit that there are some who post that I have no desire to meet but that is beside the point.

The point is, from my experience, almost everybody here is just what they say they are.


BCR

teal, .280Rem...thanks.


Heh. What does it say about the word "plonk?" Back in the days of Usenet, "plonk" had a very specific meaning. The most popular newsreader of the time, rn, had a feature whereby if you created a file named ".killfile" containing the usernames of people whose posts you didn't want to see, it wouldn't show them to you. "Plonk" was the notional sound a username made when it hit the bottom of a .killfile. For example:

Bill:
Tony's ugly and his mother dresses him funny.

Tony:
Yo, Bill: Plonk!

Thereby everyone would know that Tony had just added Bill's username to his .killfile and would no longer be responding to Bill's posts. Very much the same thing as the Ignore option here, although on Usenet there would be no other way for Bill to know that Tony had killfiled him.

"Opus" is kind of the same thing. It's actually a Latin word (if I remember correctly) meaning "work" or "accomplishment;" for example, "Bach's Prelude #1 in D, Opus #47." That means that Bach's Prelude #1 was his forty-seventh work of art, according to the folks who follow such things. (This is just an example; I know Bach wrote a Prelude #1, and I know how it goes, but I don't know whether it was in D or not and I highly doubt it was actually Opus #47.)

But in the context of Internet forums, "opus" has come to mean a long, often ill-tempered post saying essentially, "Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm going to take my ball and go home, I hope you all choke, nyah." Or words to that effect.

Whoof, but I'm an old fogey on the Internet! I remember when "hacker" was a good thing to be called, and when "troll" was a verb rather than a noun. Heck, I even remember Emily Cummings' username. Anyone else?

You know what really boggles my mind is the guys that don't really seem to care about shooting, hunting or fishing, as most of there posts are in the campfire forum. And it seems the folks the bitch and moan the most, and get their panties in the tightest wads, are those that really have little interest in huting, shooting or fishing.

So I gotta wonder, those that aren't so keen on hunting/shooting/fishing, why do you spend so much time here???

I don't want to be morbid or an a-hole but if this is true...
WB has just passed on some significant news here....
I just thought he went moose hunting and never returned...
By by Wetass...

458,

The great majority of my posts are here in the fire. I enjoy debate, current events, jokes, general discourse, etc. There are more forums here that I don't visit than I do. And even on those, like say reloading, hunting rifles, or the like I only post in thread that I am interested in and can either contribute knowledge to, or learn something from.

Some here have no interest in debate or discussion of many of the Campfire forum topics, and stay only in those forums about hunting or shooting.

As we say down here, Q-sooey-sooey! To each his own.

Well I spend most time here at the campfire. I closely watch the handgun and rimfire forums and respond there as well, that is where my major interest lies these days as hunting is out for me.

LOL +1

Brad

I'm not a coward my name is Mike.There is way too much that can go wrong giving out your last name.

Coward NO
Smart YES.

I think "opus" means "effort" or "attempt" and is related to music. Or was a Penguin on "Bloom County."

OK, OK...I'm not trying to eliminate handles. Gene L is a handle. My opus is to oblogoate the annonymous ponces here who hide behind them.

Penny mentioned (or someone) mentioned that as a police officer I should know what harm having your real name in your bio can cause. Well, as a DEPUTY, not a police officer, I do it. That should give you a clue as to how little harm it has caused me.

So, continue your opuses (opi?) and keep urinating up and down the aisle with your gold-rimmed testicles on your nose to remenustrate.

Barak is probably the only person on the board who understands English at this high level, so if you have any questions about etymology, just ask him.

Ok, OK ...............

Enough of all this peace and love stuff already.

Pretty soon we'll all be singing Kumbaya or something!

Let's get back to the good ol' "kick ass" discourse that makes
this forum so interesting-----------

Personally, I don't feel like I have to apologize to anyone for anything I've said here and I don't expect to receive any.

To me, words are like bullets once they are spoken all the apologies in the world can't take them back.

If you take a position on this forum, be prepared to defend it with all you got, cause if you can't, you'll be eaten alive (figuratively of course) and justifiably so.

The motto at a major corporation where I use to work was "If you see a pair of balls, kick em'," and that's the way it should be here.

I'm not saying everything discussed here should end up in a pissin' contest, but when one gets started, people shouldn't feel like they have to couch their remarks for fear someone's feelings might get hurt.

As the lawyers like to say, this would have a "chilling effect" on the discussion and everyone ends up the lesser for it.

Just my humble opinion------

Go easy on me will yah?

BTW,

So far Gene L. has received about 120 replies to his post!

Despite what you may think of him, that AIN'T TOO SHABBY!

Translation: Im used to having my way, and I'll keep calling you all pu$$ies until the 24hr Campfire is just the way I think it ought to be, and screw all you people who are also members here! By God, Im 62 and never lost at anything, and I will stand here screaming "come out and fight" until I die or you do.

Gee Gene -I understand fairly well what you are trying to do here and I am not Barak. It still is pure BS.

YOU want to come across as some better than thou Deputy who is scared by somone posting without their real name. Seems to me the person who is the wuss is the one who can't simply back up their argument with either fact or reason - shouldnt matter if you argue with a guy named "Bob" or a guy named "7mmbuckskinningbulletshooter". The argument stands on its own merits. The name means NOTHING - unless you want to screw with them somehow (credit, internet games ect.) Kinda makes me wonder bout your motives.

Someone once said "Instead of raising your voice - renforce your argument". When someone raises the voice - tells me they either can't make their point or are a moron and time is wasted on them.

Nah, Teal. We got:
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OK, OK...I'm not trying to eliminate handles.

Then we get:

Barak is probably the only person on the board who understands English at this high level, so if you have any questions about etymology, just ask him.
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Translation: Gee I'm surprised 99% of posts are opposite mine. I need to convince all how intelligent and educated I am by changing direction of this thread.


Anything else on which you need to pontificate, Gene?

Horseshit.

And Teal, you, too. You probably don't realize most of those words were made up or used improperly, as B used "opus." And tried to cover it up.

I'm trying to leave this thread, but folks keep calling me out.

Yea, and my name really is Ron Mexico.

Altho..... I do usually go by Abe Froman when making dinner reservations or asked my name for a waiting list at the diner. Maybe 3 of the hostesses got the reference outta thousands over the past 15 years that I have used it.

2x points to those who can tell me where it comes from along with Ron Mexico.

I got the Abe reference, but only because I saw the movie on TV recently!

Ferris Bueller's Day off

Ron Mexico i think has to do with the NFL player Michael Vick <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Hmmm, Rusty Shackelford's a good one...

You guys are quick!

Not many get it for some reason, I guess people don't appreciate the classics anymore. I had one girl start to laugh till she cried when I told her I was Abe. We played along, ect but I suspect the others waiting were wondering whats up.

One place she (always a woman for some reason) was very sympathetic that I got stuck with a name used in a movie like that - never occured to her that it wasn't my name and I was playing the joke.

Is this another one of those episodes where Andy Taylor has to calm Barney down again?

Wow - Gene - I didn't realize you knew EACH and EVERY use of EVERY word in the english language. Slang and all. Bet you KNEW all along that SUCKS = Rem 700 and BLOWS = Win M70, before you came here even.

You call horsehitt - fine, but there isn't anything I would NOT say to your face. I see a lonely man who feels the need to pontificate - prob is you ain't got no church and can't seem to cultivate one either.

Still tell me how I am wrong that when posting an opinion and an opposing opinion comes up, knowing the other guy's real name makes any difference?
Either you can back up your opinion or not - it STILL DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE OTHER POSTER GOES BY, NAME OR NOT!

Made up word or not - used improperly or not - I knew what you were trying to say - IOW I smelled what you were stepping in, and I still say you haven't a friken clue.

Seems to me that you have been here a short time, want respect but haven't earned it. Steelhead's sig line fits you like a glove.

Sure your boss doesn't care what you post but considering the 20 posts a day here plus the 20 post a day on the other place someone found you - seems to me your boss don't have much use for you other wise you would be busy with that.

Yep we are just forcing you to post. Kinda like McDonalds forced the 450lb man to eat double quarter pounders 6x a day.

You start a thread - it gets hot for you and now you want to forget - is understandable but don't be suprised when membership stand up for itself.

Don't worry... I do it enough for several people! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Be careful with people you find extremely intriguing. I wound up marrying mine! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Penny

ROFLMFAO AT THAT!

One of my intended points exactly Dan!!

I deeply appreciate your comment here. Lest I'm elevated to a level not earned let me assure you that I, too, have clay feet, and am amazed and ashamed of myself how quickly I can go from calm to rage when I least expect it. It's a constant reminder of my old sin nature and it's a constant battle. Thank you again for the encouragement.

...so I guess it's pointless for me to ask for Barak's hand????? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

(Y'all are good people and I appreciate you. Contrary to a previous post I would not classify Barak as a liberal. If I'm wrong please don't tell me.)

Not putting my dog in this fight but I checked the dictionary and couldn't find:
oblogoate
annonymous
or remenstruate.

Maybe you and Barak really are on a higher plane with the language. At least, it seems you're above me.

Mickey, Gene already enlightened us that those are non-words he used to show how smart he was that he knew they weren't words or were used in the wrong context and was waiting for us dummies to point that out.

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Gotta admit its a brand new internet tactic on me! I also admit not seeing what it accomplished.

DFTFT

Of course not. That poster either hasn't been around here long enough or doesn't understand the term "liberal" well enough. There are some folks who believe (I think Rush Limbaugh perpetuates this) that "liberal" means "not conservative"--that is, if I'm conservative, then anyone who doesn't agree with me is liberal.

It should be clear to all and sundry that I'm not particularly conservative, as is evidenced by my failure to support military adventuring, my opposition to the prohibition of things like gambling and prostitution and drugs, and my thorough dislike of the USA PATRIOT Act. But it should also be clear to all and sundry that I'm not liberal either, as is evidenced by my strong support of gun rights and international free trade and my constant attacks on taxes (any and all taxes) and government programs.

Hence, if you're used to thinking of politics represented as a one-dimensional left-right spectrum, it's kind of hard to place people like me, because while I clearly don't belong at either end, I also clearly am not your average wishy-washy fence-sitting middle-of-the-road can't-we-all-just-get-along centrist. I prefer to think of it as a two-dimensional diamond, with liberals (government on economic issues not social issues) on the left, conservatives (government on social issues not economic issues) on the right, authoritarians (government on as much as possible) on the bottom, and libertarians (government on as little as possible) on the top. If you can see that in your mind's eye, then the proper place for me is crammed as tightly into that top corner as you can get me.

But even that's not really sufficient, because that'd cram us anarcho-capitalists into the same point as the anarcho-socialists, and we're so fundamentally different that that's probably misleading: just about the only thing we share is our distaste for government. You're on your own, though; I haven't come up with a visualization for that.

Boy, that is some high brow stuff right there. Someone is surely channeling the ghost of Shakespear.

Well, well. This has been a a very interesting thread. I'm not really new here,,, been lurking here for a while getting to know everyone before I started posting is all. Yes, this thread has been very informative. Tough crowd. Wouldn't have it any other way. If someone spouts BS they get called on it like a "Come to Jesus Meeting". Keeps everyone honest. What was the question again??? GENE! I am a former LEO too. (deputy) in both Crawford Co. Ohio and San Bernidino Co. CA. The only reason I left was because the tech field (read that as $) lured me away. That, and after having to pull some dead high school classmates out of a wrecked car, it lost it's allure for me. Dude, you need to quit being so anal retentive and get a F*ing life!!! You said before that you needed to swear off the internet,,, You were Correct!!!

David Eickholt
Now, Disaster Response Team
Technical Support
FEMA/DHS

Chew on the azzhole!
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Hurricane Andrew was my "welcome letter"
Hurricane Katrina was the signiture.
BTDT

Hey Gunsite--I'm looking out the window in my home in Centreville getting depressed that Ernesto's going to royally F up my 16 year traditional opening day dove hunt. Looks like Monday Holiday may have to be my opener. Good to have you around-- BROWN got screwed!!

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Quick and Dirty Replies:

Barak = Good

Penny = Better <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I like Boggy Creek Ranger's Handle the best (and he is a helluva good guy.)

This place would not be the same if Big Stick used an ordinary name.

Personal names are not always unique. With 10,000 members there would be a lot of John Smith's and Steven Joneses using "handles" anyway.

AND

People with a full command of the English Language don't need to resort to pu**y and other gutter terminology to communicate effecitively.

Good Shooting,

BMT

I can't believe I missed this, and I can't believe I read all of the BS. Wow.
Yawn...........

but if any one just has to know my name, just pm me.

Got no dog in this fight, BUT, just spent the last 45 minutes of my life reading this thread, so here goes. Some advice I got a long time ago.

Gene, when 1 man says your an az hole, it's just his opinion;

When 100 says your an azzhat it maybe time to fall back and re think your position. IMHO.

Advise from my Dad

DDD

...so let me see if I have this figured out. If I can string some letters together that have never been put together before, claim that it's a new word that only I (and maybe one or two others I choose) can understand then I can offer that as proof that I'm intellectually superior to all the rest of you unwashed, uncircumcised Philistines?

That should be simple enough (and I like simple things). Lemme see......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!

And remember, just because you don't use a handle, doesn't mean anyone likes you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Like I'm gonna fall for that one. You'd tell me that it is Schoenauer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Man, and I thought I just stepped in something on the way in the door tonight...

Nope, it ain't on my boots...

Well, OK, but can you feel my pain? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'm tending fire in your camp on most of your ideas Barak - except when you get on the left-field warning track!

If we took most of the threads that become long and tedious, and gleaned out the things that repeat themselves over and over again in each new thread, we really wouldn't keep wasting bandwidth fighting the same fights.... but then again, some of these threads would become pretty boring if we didn't keep butting heads in cyberspace.....And I'm as guilty as anyone else when I just have to tell everyone else how right I am....

RE: "Opuses"

Both Gene and Steelie posted an opus (?? never heard the term used like that before) but came right back.

Clearly each of them was "playing with his opus" while posting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'd druther not post my real name for myriad reasons already stated.

Anyhoo... I find handles actually MORE descriptive than names. Bikers, mountain men, exotic dancers and transvestites have been using 'em for years, for that very reason....

He Who Watches Birds

Gene Langston, served in Vietnam 1968-1969....as did thousands of other Americans. Gene wrote an article for the Athens Banner Hearld in 2003 for memorial day. Good article too. But today this same Gene Langston is taking top billing as moron of the month, he has painted himself in a corner and is having great difficulty finding a way out. So give the old boy a break and let him out of his corner he is old and tired from serving his country and community for so many years. there must have been some tramua in his long and distinguished service to his fellow man to make him into such an a-hole. I think he is really just another troll. The real Gene Langston is an American hero who recogonizes that we the common people need to hide from the evil doers and are not as brave as he is.
On the other hand is he setting us up with the supposed phone number of his boss? Is this person trolling for phone numbers and private info if you call. It a wicked world out there...who to trust? Say good bye Gene L it has been.....ah I give up what has this been?

Bullwnkl the annonymous

While I dissed the Greatful Dead in HG's post, I'd have to say they had it right when they said, "What a long, strange trip it's been".

Gene already enlightened us that those are non-words he used to show how smart he was that he knew they weren't words or were used in the wrong context and was waiting for us dummies to point that out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hey now, I can put this to some use. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

His hand is already taken, I'm afraid... but I could ask him to give you a piece of his mind! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Barak as a liberal is about as funny as the felon who stole Barak's SSN and got Barak hauled out of his car a number of times at gunpoint. The felon was about 5'6" tall and black; Barak is 6'3" and white. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Penny

Nah, not at all, 1Flier.....I didn't post that to you....I just "quick replied"...and you were the last poster.

The "Me Too Dogs" I was refering to...can be found hitch-hiking threads in the rifle/hunting/optics/gun-writer forums.....trying to romance some of the big players....for kudos, friendly azz slaps, and high fives that make them feel big.

Sorry for the confusion.

BTW- I like Mr. Coleman, as well! Hard not to like a fella with cute dogs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />! Woot!

HoundGirl

It's been real and it's been fun, but it's not been real fun.

Dave.

Gene,

I haven't read to the end of this thread yet, but doesn't your comment, "Just refrain from making rude and accusing comments about others. " seem like good advice for every poster, not just the ones who prefer a handle?

I don't think using one's own name should be a license to be rude, anymore than remaining anonymous should be a license to do the same.

YMMV,

Sycamore

HG,
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm a dog guy too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Have five now, lost two this year. Will have another puppy after Xmas. Gonna get a Leonberger. Very nice dogs and big.

1flier

Well said Sycamore. however I think Gene whoever he may be is taking a nap, or has seen the error of his missguided ways any way he hasent been around for several hours..

Can Gene come out and play some more? huh can he.....

Bullwnkl.

Can Gene come out and play some more? huh can he.....

No sheet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You know I think Gene was just doing a little fuming from the other post when some of the usual cop bashing got his dander up. Can't speak for him, but can't help from wondering if he was still a little hot under the collar when he started this thread.

Gene what-his-name has not been around since about noon. I think he has folded up his tent put his burka back on and fled the scene. Gene has left the building.....

Bullwnkl.

Nah... A check of his posts shows his latest contribution to the "Ask the Gunwriters" forum at 7:53 pm this evening.

Penny

I think he just up and joined the French army and is practicing waving his white flag <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Bull

You little sweet talker, you! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I ain't never slept with an Opus, much less post one. Methinks the crowd should have caught onto my "opus."

As to the name thing, I have too many women looking for child support to post it here....

teal, duh. but how many people know what rate means? Gene was army, so I used mos.

I catch your drift Gene with the wimp thing.

Nope, its Fedinand Von Mannlicher. Schoenauer was my sidekick. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

"Gene what-his-name has not been around since about noon. I think he has folded up his tent put his burka back on and fled the scene. Gene has left the building....."

Bullwnkl.


No, Bullwnkl, I think Gene is working-------------

petr - there isn't a squid in the world who doesn't know his or her rate. Gene may be army but I bet he knew what rate is after all he knows the meaning of every English word. Only he and Barak are on a high english plane. Wayyyy above us mear mortals. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Peruse the episiotomy of the plethoral of verbageness in EugenialL's postages, and thusly you will observiate the essentiality of his opussiness.


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Or is this the finis coronat opus to this thread?

I am so confused......................... or is that confusacated................. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

That's exactly how I would sound after a 5th of Scotch. That had to be difficult for you to put together!!

Why does the image of LaFours from Mallrats keep popping in my head?

Im sure I could have said that, or something similar, without meaning to after a 5th of scotch, but I sure couldn't have typed it!

Geez, this is a rough crowd. Put out those torches and return to your hovels.

Retain your anonymity. Maybe you have a good reason for it, although I'm pretty certain that it's not the shield you all suppose it to be.

For whoever it was who thought the number I gave was phoney, check out our website at www.oconeesheriff.org and perhaps your paranoia will abate.

Meanwhile, I'm convinced Barak is a woman posting as a man.

I certainly hope he is working, we need to be protected from missuse of the english language <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Gene may be a great guy but he sure has some weird ways of showing it, comming on like a troll and all. I found a small piece that was written by a Gene Langston in the Athens Banner Hearld. Not bad. So is this the real Gene L or an imposter it is hard to tell from where I am sitting...but I think we have the real deal on our hands and he is an A-Hole of the first degree but a nice guy just the same. Ought to fit rite in once he learns that he is not going to change the way things opperate around here.

Bullwnkl

Could be, could be. It's happened before.

Matter of fact, I did a pretty good job (if ah do say so m'self) as a Southern belle over at Oregon Concealed Carry last year, as ebd10 might confirm if he can bring himself to relive the experience.

It's probably more likely, though, that I'm a monkey posting as a man.

Yes, an A-Hole in the first degree. I excel at all I do.

Google back even farther and you'll probably find other interesting facts.

I have no ambition to be a great guy. I ain't wrong and I ain't apologizing.

So anyone been doing any good fishing lately? I haven't heard a thing but the last several days here have been cooler. Maybe get down to the Fox fer walleyes one of these Saturdays.

Relive it? I still wake up screaming at the memory! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Never asked for an appology no need to.
Didn't find you on Google. As far as being a great guy how about we just make that "Mr A-hole sir" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Now that we have gotten this far how about filling us in on hog or squirrel hunting in the Athens area, I want to some day exchange an elk hunt for a hog or squirrel hunt. Oh by the way have a cup on me ...you are buying <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Bullwnkl.

I was offended by Genes original post and sent him my personal info just to show I wasn't hiding chit.
I'd had no exchanges with him prior to that, but being lumped into a group and being called a coward hit the anger button. I think I dinged him pretty hard and then left for a couple of days.
When I got home I found a polite PM from him. He could have carried on the fight in the PM but declined to do so.
I think I'll let him live in peace.

He ain't the first guy that's stepped in chit around here and then inserted foot in mouth. No sin, no blood, no foul.

Assuming I'm of the same mind as most around here, makes no diff to me whether he stays or goes.

What does make a diff is if he thinks he's gonna waltz in here and give membership lessons on posting etiquette, what being a "real man" is or talk down to other posters.

He ain't the lead dog, and if he's gonna pizz on the campfire, he better learn to lift his leg a little higher, the flames still burn brightly.


BTW Gene, thanks for your service to our country, I don't hold it against you that you are a redneck, opinionated azzhole, turns out most of my bestest friends are, something about birds of a feather flocking and all.

We're having some cool nights here and the fishing has really picked up. I've been out at dusk the last two nights and had several nice bows come up to a hopper pattern splashed near the bank.

Fisherboy.................... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I told everybody yesterday to go fishing....And y'all wasted another beautful day poking a troll when it could have been spent fishing...

Hey Bullwinkl--Be careful about that exchange of an elk hunt for some southern hunting experiences. You just might get flooded with offers and reples! I'd probably pay your way for a hog hunt for a chance at one of your Roosevelts. You have an open invite to come to the Va hills for squirrel. Whitetail is in at that time as well.

All I know is that if our Sheriff, John Davenport caught our under Sheriff/Chief Deputy, William F. Cameron spending this much time on the net he would get his walking papers Ricky-tic!

www.ccso.org

I wasn't. At first I was amused. Then when I offered to introduce myself in person over a cup of coffee, and got no reply either negative or affirmative...I became suspicious of his motives. But I know I tend to over think things, and I figure everyone is working an angle...and I bet those that just pegged him as a chicken-$hit a$$hole have hit the mark closer than I would have.

I bet as long as you agree with him on everything, he's probably a decent guy to hang around...and I bet in person, he confines his company only to hardcore headknockin' cops like himself.

"OPUSSINESS"??? Good one, .280....You slay me!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

1flier

I thought it was a timely and comical hybrid of verbage already being tossed about in the thread. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You didn't look hard enough on Google....I found several references to me there.

I about quit hunting because I'm too lazy to get up early. I'd rather sleep in than kill an elk....I mean, hell, they're bigger than a cow. Who could miss one?

If you want to shoot some hogs, anytime, though, I'll take you to where they are. No limit, no season.

And 1akhunter, I don't dance. Especially I don't waltz.

No matter what you say or do, you're just not going to get him to come out and get involved in this stuff with you. He's just not interested.

And let me assure you that he is 100% man. I know him "close up and personal."

Penny

Gene, I didn't use google to find you , you are a well know man <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> looks to me that the crowd is trying to make nice with you, thats a good thing we need more oppinions around here. Just got back in from pulling some crab pots, funny thing the pots were empty and the bait was pretty well chewed up. could be the 2 legged critters were out last evening pullig all the pots, there are 40-50 out in the bay, lots of boat traffic. makes one wonder. Any way you survived the onslaught and hopefully will fit rite in. the unwritten rules are a moving target at best. Not all apply to every one and some are applied selectivly by most. No harm ment no appolgie forth comming or required to be sent. Have a great day and go shoot something fun.

Bullwnkl.

Issac, I have made this offer a few years back....out of state hunting here is expensive and success rate low you may see lots of animals but rarley a shooter. You hunt in jungle conditions in rain or wet snow visability in the jungle is never greater than a few yards. leave you Loudboominsuperduper mega magnum to home. Don't bother with a scope over 4x if any at all and mostly get the best rain gear money can buy and expect to toss it away when you are done brush bustin.
I can usually find a herd of calves and cows in a few hours but a shooting bull is another matter. Any one who wants to give it a go PM me.

Bullwnkl.

The fishing should be picking up here as the nights have been cool as well. However, we had several inches of rain earlier in the week and all the rivers are presently unfishable. I did get out during the first downpour, fishing for browns, just as the river was starting to rise and had a 15 lb. carp inhale my #6 Grey Ghost. The smarter thing to do would have been to immedialtely break it off, but I felt compelled to land it. A rod larger than a 5 wt. would have worked better. I'm hoping for the rivers to recede to fishable levels by Sat.

John Mullet Newfoundland

Hey BW--I read the article as well. It was well written and demonstrated to me that he is a patriot. A man who has served his country and has been in LE for 30t years generally comes out of the introduction gate with my respect. Yeah he can piss you off but which one of us new guys on given certain days hasn't pissed off some folks. It's a learning process and while I might take a different approach to a mea culpa than Gene, if you read carefully, you can see when he's attempting to turn things around. He just likes to get in a couple F U's on the way backwards. I respect that as well.I remember in my 1st month I said some rather degrading things to djmbow and Ethan. I deservedly got a knot jerked in my ass and have attempted since then to be less disparaging when in a debate that gets rather heated emotionally. Quite frankly, djmbow has been cracking me up lately with his way of using pics to illustrate his points. Very clever. Finally,when you think of djmbows earlier post,Gene has over 200 very quick replies to this post. He does draw us in from many emotional directions. And,if were all honest,I bet each of us is quick to click on Gene L when seen in the forum menu. I know I do and I will continue to do so. Gene--Have you aged much in your 3 years since that picture??

My god, thats a scary thought. Folks just don't need to share all that kind of info. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

He ain't the lead dog, and if he's gonna pizz on the campfire, he better learn to lift his leg a little higher, the flames still burn brightly.
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That's right brother, as far as I'm concerned, there is only one Alpha Male around this board, and he goes by the name of
Steelhead.

Why are you, a lawman, so rattled about us using handles ?
Not illegal yet, is it ?
Really, Gene, what is your reason ?

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If ya wanna know me just ask me, I am easy to get along with ask about anyone here. This has been real enlightening, All I can say is Wow, and Gene, if you feel Elk are so easy, why don't ya come on out to Colorado and show us how it's done. Cattle get butchered close to where they are dropped, and you don't have to drag them bastards out. Les

I ain't dragging no elk out, either. Too old, too much heart disease.

You guys out west don't have much of a sense of humor, I see.

Thats funny considering that you have threatened and insulted
alot of folks here...
You are a jackass!
Crawl back under your rock...
Bart

I think I missed you, though, Tex. Nothing in Texas but steers and ....well, you know the rest.

Issac, actually I have improved my looks quite a bit since my picture.

Here's me when I was in Viet Nam in 1969....



Barak's Womn, as soon as your pulse slows down after looking at my handsome visage, then please DON'T tell me how much a man Barak is.

You'd probably be violating some law, anyway.

Do I need to resort to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> with all my posts?

Bart,

Forgot your own advice. You might get a bite on that cast. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Mac

The last time that someone said,to my face, that the only thing from Texas was steers and queers I knocked him the [bleep] out.
You ARE hiding behind your computer...
You are a pathetic a-hole!!!

I think Penny likes her men with beards if I remember right. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Les

Gene Gene Gene, my friend I am almost as far west as one can get in these here continental United States. I have a great sence of humor , just ask me. Once again the regulars did not get your drift about shooting elk, they are big and are big targets, I think that is where you left it off. Nothing was said about how hard they can be to find some folks just read that into your post. No way is an elk as easy to hunt as shooting a bovine, but the target is about the same size when presented. As to packing one out, thats what young guys are for. It's darn tough work no matter how you cut it. I don't know too much about Colorado elk but around here you earn every steak and burger from the elk we have. I am sure thats the same in the rockies except our Roosevelt elk tend to be a bit larger. Old guys like us need to just find ways of enjoying the hunt then staying out of the way when the real work begins. Most of my elk hunting any more is done with a camera.

Bullwnkl.

I know Mac...You're right...But damn.....

Bullwnkl,
If Muleskinner acted like this dude...Would you cut him this much slack?
Bart

Bart, are you one of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders?

You keep trying to get my attention. That's a warning. And you talked about hitting some guy in the nose (I assume with your purse) when he said something to you.

I think you're the kind of guy who pays sailors to spank him.

Galveston, oh Galveston.........

Aye carumba.

Gene, Why all this "my weiner is bigger than your weiner crap?"

Warning Huh?
How about this Gene...GFY....Get it?
I've said this before here and I really meant it...
You are nothing more than a broken down old man that is aching for attention...NO???
You think that your attention is something important...NOT!!!!
I'm tired of you pissinfg all over this fire...You are stinking it up!!!
Take your warning and shove it right up your a$$!!!
Bart

Because Gene is a lonely old man and craves attention.

Bulwinkl, I know all that. I assumed folks knew I knew that, which is common sense and anyone over 13 years old knows how difficult elk are to locate and pack out. A frined of mine killed one with a hickory bow he made himself, but it was rough hunting. I figured you guys had more of a sense of humor and could see through that, but apparently they have to have things explained to them.

I hate to have to insert a smiley face every damn time I write something, but some folks just don't get it. Some take things way too seriously. Bart, for example.

I've got a daughter in Seattle. She's a teacher. I know what the west coast is like and what elk look like, and have no intention of hunting them.

I've got friends in Texas, many friends....the magazine I edited was based in Texas. They had several hundred acres of leased land near the Mexican border and used to ask me to come kill off some of those big Texas deer.

Not this boy. I've killed about everything I want to kill, I believe.

And Bart....get a sense of humor, pal. Loosen up your panyhose.

I'm not your "pal"...
Do you need help with GFY?

Shove what up WHOSE ass? Yep, you're thinking in terms of sex. Sad, really. Sublimating, I think it's called. A more careful reader would note that I wasn't warning YOU, I was taking this as a warning of your apparent attraction to me.

Where have all the cowboys gone?

I crave attention? I get more attention than I want. All my life I've tried to avoid attention. So, you guys who think I need attention, do me a favor and ignore me.

T Lee, you're feeding the troll? Ah, you naughty boy!

GFY...impossible. And let's leave sex out of this conversation. I already suspect you, don't make it worse.

I feel the need to point out that you are a LIAR...
When are you leaving?AGAIN????Or is is not your fault AGAIN???
Get your thesaurus and look up PATHETIC!!!
Bart

I notice since I posted the handsome picture of myself, you've been frantically posting in large numbers to get my attention.

Sorry, Bart. I'm spoken for. Give up the dream.

Gene are you a ringnocker or truly educated? Ya know, some of the posts I have read by you have been pretty good, but your getting out of hand, the only reason I ask is most ringnockers respond in the same way you do. Rub your tab you'll feel better. Les

Now you infer that I'm a [bleep]....
Hmmmm?
Pathetic!!!

Nope, not a ringnocker. I have a MFA. But that was long after Viet Nam...I was an offizer (but not a gentleman) by virtue of my hard work and native intelligence.

I'm just having fun at Bart's expense. I probably owe him an apology, but he started it. OK...what the heck, guy, a big, warm wet one on Bart and an apology to any who I offended.

I'm combative, as you know. I'm also pretty funny, if you get in to it.

But, sometimes I'm serious. But, I'll lay off Bart, and the rest of you if you lay off me.

Deal?

No, I don't imply or infer you're a [bleep]. Sorry, Bart, I was just having fun pissing you off.

Deal from me. Les

Didn't inply that I'm a [bleep] huh...
You are a liar,jackass and a TROLL...

Since my last post on this thread I've loaded eight boxes of quality Elk medicine and have another hundred pieces of brass being cleaned.
Thought I might get something done while Gene took advantage of the openings offered to get right with the board, but that seems unlikely to happen now. I guess this is how he entertains himself.
Damn shame, but it was his choice.

What makes oeople want to blow their own horn ? Trying to impress someone ?

Well, if I'm not right with the board, I guess I'll have to settle with being right with myself and God. Sorry to disappoint but at least you got some clean brass out of the deal.

Bart buddy, I have and did and will do so again slam the Mule dude. Muleforskin had very little to offer in the way of humor. looks to me ole Gene L can hold his own he has not run off and hid as forskinner has. Looks like Mean Gene the noisy machine is getting under your skin. don't take it so personal. it's only electrons afterall. you can't just reach out bit(h slap someone over the internet. Ya gotta go with the flow then slam dunk em when ya can. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Oh i do miss the foreskinner every now and again especially his form of eubonics.loosen up your wigs a bit guys this is supposed to be fun.

Bullwnkl. (hiding behind my handle) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

Guess I have no sense of humor.
I'm hiding behind the ignore function <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That works pretty good too.....just go revisit some of T-lees old jokes that will revive your sence of humor...or confirm that you have none.

Bullwnkl.

I love revisiting old posts...

And sitting on them? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Wow, as Saddam would say, �the mother of all pissing matches�.

24 hour cease fire? it worked for the Israelis...

Hung up on the [bleep] thing there Gene?

T Lee is a funny fellow and a hell of a nice guy to boot.
Comparison is two to nothing at this point and it looks like a rainout

Tracks

+1

Bullwnkl

Don't know about you guys, but through nine rounds in the match between Bart and Gene for the Heavyweight Championship of the Campfire, I have it scored as a draw!
At the end of the last round, both combatants appeared a little bloodied and arm weary, so I'm not sure how much longer this battle will go on.
But please stay tuned folks we may very well have a new champion crowned here tonight.

Gene, not trying to stir up any more crap here but I am sincerely curious. I don't know a whole bunch about explosives so if you don't mind would you explain the reasoning behind shooting a suspicious abandoned attach� case with a rifle, and then again with a shotgun.
Suspected it might be triggered by a motion sensing device? What if it actually did explode and contained dangerous biological/chemical agents? web page

Draw???
BS....
Gene has only been here for a month and a half....
Tucked tail and ran once or twice...
Draw my ass....
I've seen a half a dozen hard core trolls come and go...
I'm still here...
Bart

I took a load of chit, when I started posting here <lol, still do)....and I am still here.

Time will tell...it always does..

HoundGirl

Yeah but you didn't act like a fool....
AND you checked in at a weird time......
You got your chance and took advantage of it...And did well here...
NO???

Well, it didn't. And shooting it wouldn't release any kind of chemical components, although it would have blown it up had there been explosives in it. It being a breifcase, it couldn't have contained enough explosives to really do any damage at the range at which we were shooting at it. It had already been moved by employees of the store, and therefore was relaitively safe from motion-activated devices. And the weight just wasn't there to indicate a thermo-nuclear device.

Actually, I have attended chemical and explosive device schools. And the biefcase I shot (and shot pretty damn well) contained only routine letters and documents from a real estate agent.

Of course, we could have called in the CDC or FBI bomb squad or the EOD or whoever dealt with that stuff at that time and corodoned off the area, and they would have established a zone and closed down the road and traffic for three days while they shot the hinges off the briefcase.

To put it in context, ghis was after the anthrax scare in Washington and we were getting calls from people who found that white stuff they coat envelopes with in their mail. It will leave minute specks if you look for them...it's a white clay=like substance that some people eat, actually. Pregnant women especially.

Figured we needed to display a little reality. I think four people died (maybe less) in the enitre United States, and it caused panic all over the US. Reprehensible.

But the Sheriff chose not to call in the Feds. It was a wise decision. BTW, weapons-grade anthrax (which was in the news then) is destroyed by an explosive. The heat kills it.

We were wll back and covered. No worry....I've blown up lots of stuff in the military.

Kinda fun.

Popcorn's all gone. Think I"ll go to bed now and get up to go dove huntin' in the morn...
Anonymously yours,
Okie...

I took your advice and googled your name. As you said, lots of hits under "Gene Langston".

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?ar...+4%3a10%3a53+AM

"Gene Langston Chief Deputy

In January 1997 , Gene Langston was appointed Chief Deputy by the Sheriff. He replaced retiring Chief Deputy Gerald Guntharp. The Chief is the Sheriff's right hand man and is charged with overseeing the operation of the entire agency.

Before becoming Chief Deputy of Oconee County , Chief Langston worked with the Athens Police Department. He then taught Community Education and Creative Writing at Meriedith College , Duke University , and Wake Tech , Chief Langston also taught Criminal Justice and English at Central Texas. He holds Master of Fine Arts from Vermont College. " The picture won't come up on my computer, I have my firewall tightened down a bit too much.

What I don't understand is why would a well educated person such as yourself use such gutter language and engage in such profane provocations to others?

You wrote previously: "Well, if I'm not right with the board, I guess I'll have to settle with being right with myself and God." (bold mine)

Digressing for a moment to examine a few of your prior posts: " "Yes, you're one of the p*ssies I refer to...". (note - had to put in the asterisk else Rick's software bleeps it).
"Never heard it called "black and gold" except from some high-school football player. Don't think that's an army term, and I dont' think you've ever served. Maybe in the motor pool?

I agree that you're estrogenically-enhanced. I'll bet you're wearing a mixpad right now."

"Personally, I think you're making this up and probably spent 8 years in jail, observing correctional officers while being some Bubba's punk boy."

"Barak, just to be clear, I think you are a fraud." "Meanwhile, I'm convinced Barak is a woman posting as a man."

"Sorry, Bart, I was just having fun pissing you off. "

Calling people you've never met wimps, [bleep], cowards, homosexuals and liars, particularly Barak (who you might ask about Kairos), intentionally baiting people so you can laugh at them... JMHO, but you might want to revist that "right with...God" part. At the very least you might want to ask God what he thinks about the way you treat people.

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?ar...+7%3a45%3a23+AM
"Chief Deputy Gene Langston is a military combat veteran and a veteran of over 23 years in law enforcement. A certified instructor in both general instruction and firearms, Chief Langston represents the Sheriff in his absence and supervises most all the day to day operations here. He can be reached at 706-769-xxxx."

Obviously you occupy a position of some responsibility and which one would assume would require a certain amount of professionalism and diplomacy, yet your posts here reflect exactly the opposite. It is an interesting dichotomy.

Anyway, further googling:

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?ar...+1%3a36%3a58+AM

"Sheriff Scott Berry and Chief Deputy Gene Langston arrived.
...
Langston said he shot the briefcase with a rifle "to see if it would blow up." When it didn't, another deputy shot the briefcase with a shotgun to open it. It was full of invoices. Later the man contacted Lowe's again to report he had inadvertently left the briefcase in his buggy. Langston said he replied "we're afraid we've got bad news about your briefcase." Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on Saturday, April 13, 2002."

Well, you have demonstrated a consistent sense of humor when it comes at someone else's expense.

Finally, I've attached a more recent picture of you from July of 2001. You are the one on the right in uniform.

"Issac, actually I have improved my looks quite a bit since my picture. "

Um, again jmho, but maybe you ought to get a second opinion on that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> The original may be viewed here:
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?ar...+7%3a56%3a29+PM

Jeez---the guy has more chins than a Chinese phone book!! Another thing when I pull up the Oconee LEO site I hear a certain song from �Deliverance� !! I wish you could post a wav file of your voice saying �louda boy� you might have a 2nd career after you fall over from tooooo many doughnuts and free hamburgers strong armed from the local businesses. I would ride by you so fast that you would squeeze all of the jelly out of your doughnut all over your comic books!!! Mouthy Jerkwater Redneck Leo�s don�t really impress me much so go ask some other people to �squeal like a pig� and if you think you can shoot better than I can I will be at the Missouri State Championships in a couple of weeks�be there! Personally, I don�t think your thinly veiled homosexual tendencies are that thinly veiled!

I think I've said this before, but can't remember.
When I got this here computer a few years back, when my buddy loaded it up for me he said " well, you don't need to worry about finding a handle, you already have one!"
I didn't know it was inpolite, not politicly correct, or anything else.
Cat

Well, that was interesting. Or maybe interntesting. ( made that up to demonstrate my superior intellect for all who wondered)

RAYMOND MAURITANIA, Out in the open

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Still really curious why a LEO wants to know everyone's "true identity" so damned bad...

Jim in Idaho:

"Calling people you've never met wimps, [bleep], cowards, homosexuals and liars, particularly Barak (who you might ask about Kairos), intentionally baiting people so you can laugh at them... JMHO, but you might want to revist that "right with...God" part. At the very least you might want to ask God what he thinks about the way you treat people."

djmbow:

OK Jim, let's all sing now:

Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Now isn't that a lot better than that awful man who uses all those nasty words?

Gene has pushed my buttons, too... But I think we need to cut him some slack. (I'm serious... not kidding.) He's gotten a bunch of people angry at him and he wants to get back in the good graces of the group. So his way of trying to be "one of the boys" is to have some fun at some others' expense. He's having some fun at his own expense, too. He's kind of like the boy on the playground who wants the girl to like him but doesn't quite know how to go about getting her attention... so he goes up and pulls her pigtails.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm beginning to like Gene. Georgia good 'ol boys aren't really my thing, but I can accept him for who he is, as long as I know that he's not really trying to hurt anyone with the insults.

Maybe it was just the army picture that drew me in... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

BTW, thanks for your service to our country. I never supported the Viet Nam war, but I certainly supported the men and women who answered their country's call of duty. The Viet Nam vets got a raw deal, IMHO...

Penny

Hey, thanks for the compliment. I will see if I can find some better material for later in the day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Spot-on brother. Spot-on.

Yup, I suggested this dude was a fake with my very first post to him. He just ain't right in the head. He's either fake or totally doesn't belong in law enforcement. Nearly every post is over the top.

I'm so confused?????? words that don't mean anything, posters with "handles" GIVING THEIR REAL NAMES!!!!! posters who say "I'm leaving" then keep on posting?? and who the hell is Ron Mexico??????
BTY my grandpa gave me my handle when I was so young I didn't understand words and it was really said like this �crevisses so there. I post it in American because that is what I are.

Geez!

After reading ALL of this & not commenting til now, I have come to a few conclusions.....(my opinions only)

First,
with the newby suggesting that everyone here lose their handle.....Ain't gonna happen. I value my privacy & don't need a thief, criminal, anti-gun/hunter knowing things about me that would give them ammo to do harm.

Second,
As ex-LEO myself, it appears that the only way Gene can have time enough to post all the posts he does in various forums is to cut into taxpaer money....by doing a LOT of it at work.
I would like to see the Sheriff & a couple of County Commisioners post their approval of this use of "County time" on here.

Third,
Gene, buddy, you are a troll. You get a "high" from what people say to your posts. THAT is why you CAN'T leave our website just yet.
You also must suffer severly from "Little Man's Syndrome", as you seem to really take pleasure in insulting others & calling names.....It frankly isn't funny, nor entertaining to members here to have a green-pea come out of the "woodworks" & start an inflammatory thread that is continually fueled by your insulting & profane remarks. (BTW- you, as a member here have the right to post pretty much as you please, as do the other members here, so, why won't you try & get along with the other kids here & play nice? You may actually learn something useful in the hunting, fishing, shooting world of experience here at the Campfire.....UNLESS you already know all there is to know, & are just here to belittle people & feed your own ego by such behavior.....)

Gene, We used to have a saying in Law Enforcement.....80% of the cops gave the other 20% of us a bad name. THAT holds true here.

Why don't you go build your own website, dedicated of course to your favorite subject.....(YOU), and get the fine folks of you county to pay for it, & pay your salary to maintain it & belittle your members?

BTW, I own my own business, so any time I spend here comes ftom my own pocket. I just thought my budget could afford ONE unbiassed post in regards to what I have read here.

Barry (Yep, that's my name, & my "Handle" is my cattle brand)

I don't pay much attention to post counts, but I just figured that I average around 80 posts per month (sheesh, JOG, shaddup already). Gene averages around 500...

I don't believe I think that much in a month <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

I don't pay attention to the post count either. But, by the time it's all said and done; this post will probably have over 300 replies. That speaks to something JOG!!

This thread is a sad display of a mans insecurity.

What a waste of electrons. Just pitiful. From begining to end.

Some might consider that a stone........

It begins to appear either this is the real Gene L. or somebody has cleverly hijacked his identity and is using it to troll with. If this guy is real it is extremely scary. I just don't understand how somebody with his attitude could even begin to work in law enforcement. He's gotta be some elected official's brother-in-law to keep an le job.

To speak to the post itself, who cares? I have many reasons for using a handle, most of which have already been related by other poster. Personally, I just don't care if some psycho undersheriff who thought Deliverence was a training film, thinks I'm a coward or not. It just doesn't impact my day.

769 posts in a couple of months...almost all of them name-calling or vile in some other manner. I told this dude he should be more gentlemanly about a month ago. The Campfire is a relatively mannerly and nice site. We simply don't need folks like this here.

I enjoy everyone's handles. It makes them unique and says something about who they are. I'd much rather read messages from "Crawfish" and "Elf" and "Muleskinner" and "BigBuck" than from Tom, Dick, and Harry. It gives an insight into the person that I find interesting. And it makes it much easier to keep everyone straight. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Penny

So what does that say about the unimaginative souls that use initials? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I always thought of you as a runner. Kind of a corpulent one, though, if you must know the truth, because instead of jogging, you JOG.

Corpulent!?

That word even sounds nasty - beyond obese with mebbe a built-in odor factor and an ever-present grease stain on my chin. Yuck.

But dang, I look great in a Speedo <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

Hey--I'm in no position to judge others for corpulence. And I have no idea how I look in a Speedo.

Personally I prefer "fluffy" to the adj. corpulant or fat. JMO.

I prefer "Shorter than my skin" or "gravity enhanced" myself. As to how I look in a speedo - think pear with a rubber band round the bottom.

Not overweight, just undertall.

djmbow, lol! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thank you. I did sing a chorus of Kumbaya and a round of "Jesus loves me, this I know..." and I'm feeling much better now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Penny, I know it is good to forgive and your post once again shows what a good heart you have, but I'm going to wait and see. I probably don't have to tell you this, but people who try so very hard to make people dislike them often have an extra helping of self-hatred and their approach toward people is geared to make those people reinforce that self image. Making nicey-nicey is one way to get folks to let down their guard, making it easier to strike a second time. "Ha, look how I suckered you in, you're so easy to manipulate." Maybe yes, maybe no, but I'm going to operate on the principle of fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

I did learn quite a bit about Gene last night - once Executive Editor of "Primitive Archer" and now Editor Emeritus. If you followed the links in my last post his resume contains teaching positions at the college level and also apparently he has authored several works of fiction, but I couldn't find those titles.

It really does strike me as incongruent how an educated person can be such a [bleep] towards so many people.

Oh well, I come here to learn about shooting, not to fight and argue, so I guess henceforth our new poster Gene is a non-topic for me.

It really does strike me as incongruent how an educated person can be such a [bleep] towards so many people.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Nicely written post Idaho.I thought much about what you said. Sadly, my attention was brought back to Barak's earlier post. If that is the case, the compassionate side of me hurts for him.

Ya, I'm kind of with you, Jim; a guy with that resume rolling around in the mud instead of ignoring those who have a bone to pick with LEOs.

I mean a guy with that many years on the job no doubt has heard it all before, can't imagine that stuff still rubbing him wrong.

Maybe cops in Georgia haven't adapted to it like the cops I've known in CA...those guys hear it every damn day, and have skin like a rhino.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

That reminds me,..... thanks for throwing the blanket over me,....

You'll never know who I am NEVER! HAhahahahaha

Now we know the reason for your avatar change. Pretty cold-blooded of Houndgirl to just snap a pic like that as you're getting up. hehehheeheh

But I digress, back to the subject and seriously now, Gene can leave.